Windows Blue to bring a faster kernel and better search

Yesterday we saw some more screenshots of Windows Blue, and information surfaced about a planned public Milestone Preview version that's replacing Milestone 2 in the development cycle of the update. Now, again thanks to Win8China, more information has come to light about what we can expect in Windows Blue, and when we can expect it.

The Milestone Preview will come with the previously reported update to the kernel, bringing the version to 6.3 alongside several improvements. Reports say the kernel will be more deeply optimized, allowing for faster boot times, a smaller disk footprint and better power consumption; however, the actual UI will not be significantly altered compared to Windows 8.

Scaling of Modern UI apps will be improved as well with Windows Blue, likely to accommodate smaller tablets in the 7-8 inch range, although the changes could also help those with higher-resolution displays. The Verge also has information that claims search will be greatly improved in Blue, with the Bing team working to add new features to the Charm: this includes the possibility to have search recommend apps to play content such as videos, and also deep search of app content outside of the app.

If these rumors are to be believed, we should be expecting the Milestone Preview in the coming months, with an RTM phase to start in June followed by general availability in August. The update will reportedly be free for all current Windows 8 users, and it will be bundled into all new Windows products following the launch of Blue.

Source: Win8China (1) | (2) | The Verge via: Windows4Live

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I wonder if Windows Blue will have the same problem that XP, Vista, 7 and 8 have; Explorer.exe does not officially support file path lengths larger than 255 characters. This is highly annoying when dealing with nested folders in My Documents and other situations. I use Total Commander to take care of business.
NTFS supports file path lengths of up to around 30,000 characters so why is explorer.exe use/have APIs that are back in the stone age of computing?

kiddingguy said,
Nice. Faster and leaner is always better!

Agreed. I'm very excited to see what Blue brings. It sounds like it's going to be a nice update.

Improvements to the general OS and performance is always appreciated. That doesn't count the UI, however, as there's likely nothing they can do to get me to use it. And hopefully never will, I avoid loading any program that uses the Microsoft UI, no matter what.

If you'd know what kind of mess the Windows kernel is, you'd never use the word "lean" when talking about Windows.

"faster boot times, a smaller disk footprint and better power consumption"

Faster boot times? How can it be faster than pressing power button and directly the login screen in front of mee? I'm happy that they are going to shrink the size of Windows 8. And power consumtion: great, batteries with even longer life span!

Studio384 said,
"faster boot times, a smaller disk footprint and better power consumption"

Faster boot times? How can it be faster than pressing power button and directly the login screen in front of mee? I'm happy that they are going to shrink the size of Windows 8. And power consumtion: great, batteries with even longer life span!

The "faster boot time" is not the same when you start your computer from sleep. The current boot time from a soft/hard boot is around 8-10 seconds. It will be amazing if they can top that up as well.

Since I never use sleep mode for any of my devices, I don't really care about the boot time, as long as I can get to the desktop. Whether it takes 20 seconds or a minute, (or five minutes at work, due to all the corporate stuff pushed), as long as I get to the desktop and my programs, that's all that I care about.

And when I turn my computer off, I mean it's *OFF* as in no power going to anything.

I'm disappointed that Microsoft isn't using this opportunity to address some of the UI issues. If they can update the kernel then I'm sure they could fix annoyances like the inconsistent mouse gesture (you can't use the hot-corners with Aero Snap but you can if you have a Metro app side-snapped), the empty screen displayed when side-snapping Metro apps, the lack of a unified Control Panel / PC Settings (it doesn't make sense that you can't use the Control Panel for adding a new user), requiring the Charm bar to shut down your computer (it could be added to the user tile on the Start Screen) and the inability to run Metro apps on two different monitors at once.

The changes that Microsoft is looking to make with Windows Blue don't address the actual concerns that people have. People weren't complaining about boot times, search or install size, at least no where near as much as the UI issues. And it's not as if such changes are a major undertaking, as Microsoft added features like hot-corners and the ability to open Metro apps on each monitor very late into development based on user feedback. Obviously more substantial changes will occur with Windows 9 but Microsoft should have used Windows Blue as an opportunity to address some of the criticism that Windows 8 has attracted. Instead the changes look focused on new tablet forms and pleasing OEMs.

I like Windows 8 but I can't help feeling Windows Blue is looking like a missed opportunity.

This is only about the improvements with the new kernel. They also stated that there will not be significant changes to the UI, but that doesn't mean it's true, it's a rumor. Beside: UI-bugfixes aren't significant either.

Studio384 said,
They also stated that there will not be significant changes to the UI, but that doesn't mean it's true, it's a rumor. Beside: UI-bugfixes aren't significant either.

True, but I would have thought Microsoft would have played up any UI changes.

theyarecomingforyou said,

True, but I would have thought Microsoft would have played up any UI changes.


Why would they be playing UI changes up now?? Those are the last things MS generally exposes during development.

That's because the UI changes are usually always for the worse (Win XP -> Vista -> Win7 -> Win8) I've all but given up on the Windows 8 UI and now work strictly in the desktop with Classic Shell installed... a much more productive environment from my perspective.

[Yes, I know, there are those who swear by the Windows UI, and there are those who swear *AT* the Windows UI. Count me as one of the latter, it is probably one of the worst UI's I've ever had to deal with, and that includes everything through the original Mac and Windows interfaces, not to mention the various incarnations of the Linux X11 desktop interfaces.]

M_Lyons10 said,
Why would they be playing UI changes up now?? Those are the last things MS generally exposes during development.

It's not that they have to reveal them now, they should just announce that they're being worked on. As it stands most of the changes are under-the-bonnet and focused on pleasing OEMs and tablet users. None of the changes listed appear targeted at desktop users.

Tal Greywolf said,
That's because the UI changes are usually always for the worse (Win XP -> Vista -> Win7 -> Win8) I've all but given up on the Windows 8 UI and now work strictly in the desktop with Classic Shell installed... a much more productive environment from my perspective.

[Yes, I know, there are those who swear by the Windows UI, and there are those who swear *AT* the Windows UI. Count me as one of the latter, it is probably one of the worst UI's I've ever had to deal with, and that includes everything through the original Mac and Windows interfaces, not to mention the various incarnations of the Linux X11 desktop interfaces.]


Dude do you even remember the default XP theme?
http://www.guidebookgallery.or.../desktop/empty/winxppro.png
over
http://r-p-m.eu/images/uploads/win8desk.png
? really?

I stully wonder why people hate Win8 so much, its the cleanest looking Windows since 95.

Shadowzz, I know the Windows XP theme. We have about 20% of our computers still running Windows XP around here, systems that will never, EVER go to Windows 8, much less Windows 7. They're fine with XP, and need to stay there in order to provide a working OS platform for certain programs that cannot and will never work on Win 7/8.

But my statement remains valid, despite your efforts to convince me otherwise. The Windows 8 UI (Metro/Modern/Whatever) is one of the UGLIEST things I've ever seen grace my computer screen, even uglier than Windows 286 or Solaris CDE. As for functionality and usefulness, it fails in that respect as well *FOR ME*. I could care less if you find it functional, it's hardly that from my viewpoint.

But given your past comments, I doubt you'll accept that there is a counter-opinion as to the UI...

SSD users will not like the search function! SSDs have a limited life span and constantly searching will shorten their life.

This is the downside of SSDs - but then of course what about all the write activity from temp files and browser cache too? You could always start moving some of these paths (incl the search index path) to a different non-SSD volume.
Then again, I don't know about you, but my storage requirements go up and up all the time so it may be few will keep any given SSD long enough for this to be a significant issue anyway.

Indexing for search reasons is the problem. If you use SSDs you should already know Win8 isn't SSD friendly. Moving indexed files is still putting wear on a SSD.

cantoris said,

Then again, I don't know about you, but my storage requirements go up and up all the time so it may be few will keep any given SSD long enough for this to be a significant issue anyway.

This

thexfile said,
Indexing for search reasons is the problem. If you use SSDs you should already know Win8 isn't SSD friendly. Moving indexed files is still putting wear on a SSD.

If you use SSDs you should know that existing isn't SSD friendly. Win8, however, is the most SSD friendly OS there is.

Seemingly not: "The update will reportedly be free for all current Windows 8 users".

Remember Windows 98 Second Edition. That wasn't free for FE users. And OSR2 for Windows 95 couldn't even be bought at all.

Ah silly me for not reading the whole thing.

But Windows Blue was not supposed to be the next paid upgrade ?

It wasn't known. We just knew it was the next thing on its way whose nature was uncertain at the time; Whether a Windows 8.1 or a ServicePack. Of course we still don't know for certain until MS themselves come out and say what they consider it to be.

LaP said,
But Windows Blue was not supposed to be the next paid upgrade ?

Think of the first release of Blue as a hybrid between the legacy OS business model MS had, with the release style of Apple.

Being that this is transitional, the first update will be free, subsequent Blue iterations will come with a small fee, just like Apple's point releases.

deadonthefloor said,

Think of the first release of Blue as a hybrid between the legacy OS business model MS had, with the release style of Apple.

Being that this is transitional, the first update will be free, subsequent Blue iterations will come with a small fee, just like Apple's point releases.

That doesn't make sense to me. If they're transitioning from a paid model to another paid model, why does there need to be a free release in between?

Josh the Nerd said,

That doesn't make sense to me. If they're transitioning from a paid model to another paid model, why does there need to be a free release in between?


Because they're likely not transitioning to the paid model people are theorizing... SP's I would wager will still be free, they will just try to speed up (as they did between W7 and W8) major releases...

cantoris said,
Seemingly not: "The update will reportedly be free for all current Windows 8 users".

Remember Windows 98 Second Edition. That wasn't free for FE users. And OSR2 for Windows 95 couldn't even be bought at all.


Cant compare Windows 98 to 98 SE... That was not an upgrade... The changes under the hood where quite radical. If you consider SE a servicepack, its by far the biggest servicepack MS ever released. Outdoing the XP SP2 service pack changes at least a dozen times.

I'd like to see it try and run on some of the kit we have XP on. I tried Windows 8 on a 1GB Pentium 4 (Northwood) machine and found it unusable. It's OK with 2GB - at least for running the toy-apps.
I'm not sure where your unintelligent donkeys come into it though...

cantoris said,
I'd like to see it try and run on some of the kit we have XP on. I tried Windows 8 on a 1GB Pentium 4 (Northwood) machine and found it unusable. It's OK with 2GB - at least for running the toy-apps.
I'm not sure where your unintelligent donkeys come into it though...

A 1GB, Pentium 4 may have been class leading 10 years ago, but its an antique piece in this day and age. The fact that you want to run a modern OS on a 10 year old machine, and then complain that it is Microsoft's fault, just makes you sound stupid (sorry).

If you want a modern OS, then get a modern device. Otherwise stick with Windows XP. I doubt if there are even updated drivers for your hardware. That may be the reason why Windows 8 does not run on your PC. Perhaps it would be better to complain to the PC manufacturer for not providing updated drivers for all the hardware. See how you go with that one.

cantoris said,
I'd like to see it try and run on some of the kit we have XP on. I tried Windows 8 on a 1GB Pentium 4 (Northwood) machine and found it unusable. It's OK with 2GB - at least for running the toy-apps.
I'm not sure where your unintelligent donkeys come into it though...

Hmm I have opposite experiences with upgrading WinXP systems to Win8.
Even one that just had 512mb and a single non hyperthreading P4.... XP took minutes to boot, minutes to start outlook. Slow POS. Put Windows 8 on it and it booted in less then a minute (very close to a minute tho) and it opens apps decently fast. Especially considered the horrible slowness of XP on that machine prior to the upgrade.

I've even upgraded my tiny laptop with a 1.6ghz atom with just 1gb of ram which came with Windows 7..
Windows 7, browse 1 maybe 2 websites at once without to much slowdown. And listening to music in the background.
Windows 8, watch a HD movie and have 5-6 tabs open and it still felt buttery smooth.

My experience was that anything that is no more then 10 years old as of this day (so 1-2 years after XP release, when 512mb ram became the norm), Windows 8 made it run faster.

Will "Blue" be fixing the UI problems of Windows-8? If not: Why not? Another reason to stick with XP and Windows-7 until a real fix comes along or an alternative OS comes upon the scene. Having to discard perfectly good hardware and needless staff retraining is not good business sense.

TsarNikky said,...
discard perfectly good hardware and needless staff retraining is not good business sense.

This same old BS again.
It takes more time to unlearn the complicated nature of the desktop/win32 subsystems than it takes to learn Windows 8.

TsarNikky said,
Having to discard perfectly good hardware and needless staff retraining is not good business sense.

Discard perfectly good hardware? Why would anyone do that? I'm running Windows 8 on Windows Vista hardware just fine.

Now if you were talking about Apple dropping OS X Mountain Lion support for my MacBook that is only a couple years ago, I'd agree with you.

Edited by rfirth, Feb 24 2013, 10:23pm :

I always wondered why I can search 88 million pages in a second on bing and yet it takes 5 minutes to search my entire computer.

ccoltmanm said,
I always wondered why I can search 88 million pages in a second on bing and yet it takes 5 minutes to search my entire computer.

There is probably a lot more behind it but the fact that 'Bing' is a network of supercomputers and your PC isn't has something to do with it.

My Windows Search database is 70MB in size. If that's been paged out of RAM then any search using it will have latency. And then if you're including files whose contents aren't indexed then you have a bigger delay still - especially since many people still have slow disk subsystems - made worse by AV sniffing all the reads.

Fritzly said,

Faster yes, better... it is debatable...

Why is it debatable? Because there's people screaming the GUI sucks? That's not debateable. Anything that has "PERSONAL PREFFERENCE" written all over it, is not debatable.

Other then the looks of Win8... Win8 technically surpasses Windows 7 at every level you could even imagine.

Shadowzz said,

Why is it debatable? Because there's people screaming the GUI sucks? That's not debateable. Anything that has "PERSONAL PREFFERENCE" written all over it, is not debatable.

Other then the looks of Win8... Win8 technically surpasses Windows 7 at every level you could even imagine.

Did I mention anything related to the GUI? No I did not therefore do not make assumption please.

medium_pimpin said,
Wonder if Blue will apply to rt as well.

Blue applies to anything with an NT Kernel.

My only hope for Blue is that MS recompile/sign the Powershell ISE so we can use it on RT devices.

The lack of Start Menu doesn't bother me except when I need to find a generic entry called "Uninstall" or "autoupdate" or similar under a specific apps' folder. Seeing every single folder expanded as the only alternative is a bit of a mess.

For me, the main problem is being forced to run full screen apps. It's fine for a bit of browsing but I can't watch various conversation taskbar buttons if fullscreen to see which are flashing for example when I've a few conversations on the go.

Really, the Start Screen is for what I call "toy apps", the desktop remains the only viable environment for any real computer use. There though, the charms bar becomes intrusive, appearing when you don't want it to because you dared to go near the corner - and have you seen the joke that is trying to bring that up with the mouse when you have >1 screen side by side?!

Oh and regarding the desktop did I mention I hate working in a whitewashed ugly environment? Please give us back Aero Glass as a "Feature" to add in if we choose. Yes it's annoyingly slow to render on a server but if you're working on a desktop, it's nice to have a pleasant UI.

The "great divide" amongst PC users is becoming more and more apparent. Those who want a toy-like UI will gravitate to Windows-8. Those who want/need a business-oriented UI will remain with Windows-7. It goes back to a fundamental question: "What was Microsoft thinking about when they launched Windows-8 with its Metro UI (and NO option to retain Windows-7's UI)?

Those who want to passively consume content will buy an Android tablet. Those who want to do anything more productive or serious will stick with Windows 7 on a PC or laptop ... or get annoyed with the compromise that is Windows 8.
You wouldn't think so, but I'm a Microsoft fanboy!

TsarNikky said,
The "great divide" amongst PC users is becoming more and more apparent. Those who want a toy-like UI will gravitate to Windows-8. Those who want/need a business-oriented UI will remain with Windows-7. It goes back to a fundamental question: "What was Microsoft thinking about when they launched Windows-8 with its Metro UI (and NO option to retain Windows-7's UI)?

My guess is that is was easier to focus on the Start Screen than engineering a complete overhaul of the desktop which is where both lovers and haters of the former spend the majority of the time. The Start Screen will be improved no questions about it, the critical task will be modernize the desktop.
As for this "Blue" project I welcome a further optimization of the kernel as well of search and other functionalities; quite disappointed if the rumors about the lack of improvements of the UI and the apps and worst of all a delay of "Blue" for WP8.
Well, let is see what will really happen.

People who like Windows 8 prefer a toy-like UI? That's laughable. The same people said the Mouse was a toy and would never be accepted, the same people said the Start Menu was a toy and wanted the old Program Launcher back.

Anyone who uses that line is clearly just afraid of change.

McKay said,
People who like Windows 8 prefer a toy-like UI? That's laughable. The same people said the Mouse was a toy and would never be accepted, the same people said the Start Menu was a toy and wanted the old Program Launcher back.

Anyone who uses that line is clearly just afraid of change.

Personally, and I am speaking in general terms, I think that the point is what a"change" implies: bringing a new, on a corner and with a view, office space is a welcome change, one in a basement.... not a so welcome one...

I've always been excited before by change within Windows. Full-screen apps that are so basic as to be controllable by touch alone on the other hand really are little more than toys.
When I'm writing scripts and referring to the SDK and going to the command line or PowerShell to test and back and looking up related resources online and probably chatting to a few people as well and monitoring my email, then being told I have to use some (eg) bright blue full-screen Mickey Mouse mode toy-app that obliterates everything else is just a joke.

cantoris said,
bright blue full-screen Mickey Mouse mode toy-app that obliterates everything else is just a joke.

Best stick with that fisher price UI they called XP.

TsarNikky said,
The "great divide" amongst PC users is becoming more and more apparent. Those who want a toy-like UI will gravitate to Windows-8. Those who want/need a business-oriented UI will remain with Windows-7. It goes back to a fundamental question: "What was Microsoft thinking about when they launched Windows-8 with its Metro UI (and NO option to retain Windows-7's UI)?

You can keep your WIndows 7 interface, in fact the whole desktop environment is stil there for when you need to run a lot of legacy apps.

However you can also be productive in the new interface as you can quickly switch between applications. On the desktop you can only work in one app at the time. The others are just visible on the screen but thats it.

I think for most employees the Windows 8 UI is a much easier to use UI. You're not stuck between countless of opened maps, apps and webpages. You have one fullscreen application opened and can easy check or switch to all the other applications running in the back ground.

The desktop environment has obviously aged but some people just like to keep things the way they are. It was the same with DOS, some people refused to use WIndows. In their mind DOS with its countless commands and keyboard shortcuts was faster. They forget that for most users it was a hell to use.. Windows 8 is the next logical step.

cantoris said,
The lack of Start Menu doesn't bother me except when I need to find a generic entry called "Uninstall" or "autoupdate" or similar under a specific apps' folder. Seeing every single folder expanded as the only alternative is a bit of a mess.

For me, the main problem is being forced to run full screen apps. It's fine for a bit of browsing but I can't watch various conversation taskbar buttons if fullscreen to see which are flashing for example when I've a few conversations on the go.

Really, the Start Screen is for what I call "toy apps", the desktop remains the only viable environment for any real computer use. There though, the charms bar becomes intrusive, appearing when you don't want it to because you dared to go near the corner - and have you seen the joke that is trying to bring that up with the mouse when you have >1 screen side by side?!

Oh and regarding the desktop did I mention I hate working in a whitewashed ugly environment? Please give us back Aero Glass as a "Feature" to add in if we choose. Yes it's annoyingly slow to render on a server but if you're working on a desktop, it's nice to have a pleasant UI.

Uninstall is even easier from Modern UI. Right-click on an Application tile and just select Uninstall.

If its a Modern app it will uninstall straightaway.
If its a Legacy program, you will be taken to the Add/Remove programs Control Panel screen where you can easily Uninstall.

No need to go through menus and sub-menus to Uninstall a program.

With regards to full screen apps, thats where general computing is headed. The masses decide what companies provide. At the moment the masses want iOS/Android like apps, unfortunately. Microsoft has had change because the demand is there. But at the same time they have kept the Desktop for more power users.

With regards to Aero, I think its the whole Netbook fiasco that has forced their hand to get rid of Aero altogether. If PC manufacturers had provided better specced netbooks that were able to run Aero without slowing down the overall performance, then you would have had Aero in Windows 8 as well. Thats just my opinion, it could be something else entirely. But Aero needs better graphics power/cpu than what the Netbook manufacturers were providing. There was a reason why Aero was not available on Windows 7 starter edition.

Kunal Nanda said,


With regards to full screen apps, thats where general computing is headed. The masses decide what companies provide. At the moment the masses want iOS/Android like apps, unfortunately. Microsoft has had change because the demand is there. But at the same time they have kept the Desktop for more power users.

With regards to Aero, I think its the whole Netbook fiasco that has forced their hand to get rid of Aero altogether. If PC manufacturers had provided better specced netbooks that were able to run Aero without slowing down the overall performance, then you would have had Aero in Windows 8 as well. Thats just my opinion, it could be something else entirely. But Aero needs better graphics power/cpu than what the Netbook manufacturers were providing. There was a reason why Aero was not available on Windows 7 starter edition.


I've yet to see a laptop released in the last 2-3 years that did not benefit from Aero's GPU acceleration in Vista or 7.
Also Aero's requirements (including the see through parts) are allot lower with Windows 8 then they where on Windows 7.

It was a major issue in Vista and still early 7 days tho. (the intergrated "HD" graphics where horrible) But shouldn't be anymore. I think its the hatred more, when Vista and 7 where released. Everyone was crying of this 'unproffesional' look of Windows. People complaing it slowed down the system (while it didn't, it was slower when people switched to classic or basic hehe).
I personally think MS failed to make the GUI responsive enough while keeping the seethrough. I remember the Dev preview, it barely felt any more responsive then Windows 7.
But the RTM was smooth as a babies bottom when it comes to responsiveness of the GUI.

Finally, faster search. Actually, I hope it's INSTANT search.

As I've told many people, Windows XP would run well on a 486 if Microsoft really focused on efficiency. With a lot more devices using batteries in the future, efficiency has become a priority. Once again, finally.

dunno about you but anything I search is pretty instantly shown on my start screen; files, programs or settings. and this is on a 7 years old PC with a hard drive.

Mouettus said,
dunno about you but anything I search is pretty instantly shown on my start screen; files, programs or settings. and this is on a 7 years old PC with a hard drive.

Definitely NOT on a windows machine. Depends on what you are searching, your search criteria, the hardware and, most-importantly, the OS.

I have not had Windows perform instant searches on files, in particular. Not in my past 10 years of using Windows on a day-to-day working, and this includes Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8.

Sorry, even though I support MS, I don't see this as an existing feature on Windows.

Kunal Nanda said,

Definitely NOT on a windows machine. Depends on what you are searching, your search criteria, the hardware and, most-importantly, the OS.

I have not had Windows perform instant searches on files, in particular. Not in my past 10 years of using Windows on a day-to-day working, and this includes Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8.

Sorry, even though I support MS, I don't see this as an existing feature on Windows.


Don't disable the indexing service because you think its a waste of resources. And then complain searching is slow. Give me and others here a break.

And if you think Linux is any faster, without any indexing its not much slower as the old fashion non-indexed windows search (some slowdown due to NTFS being a bit slower) but the difference is very little. OS is not to important at reading the file entries on a disk. Unless offcourse you're on an ancient CPU which cannot handle the load, otherwise it relies on disk speed hell of a lot more then OS optimization.

Been using Windows for 10 whole years (you've almost witnessed the 9x era... amazing man! /s) you still don't seem to know how Windows operates.

68k said,
Finally, faster search. Actually, I hope it's INSTANT search.

As I've told many people, Windows XP would run well on a 486 if Microsoft really focused on efficiency. With a lot more devices using batteries in the future, efficiency has become a priority. Once again, finally.


Erm no it will not, the requirements of NT are higher then a 486, its the kernel that would create issues on this ancient musea CPU's. Even though the hz of a 486 can run XP without to much slowdown, the CPU just lacks the requirements NT needs.
Similar why NT took until recently before being available on ARM.

Hopefully, the 'Blue'-ish Phone update would also include a similarly sized package of improvements :-) ... especially when it comes to the Xbox Music / Video apps.

I'm not closely following Windows Blue but the bits that I do get are totally contradicting eachother.

I've read rumors that Blue would be a huge UI improvement but not much under the hood. And I've read that it would be delayed into 2014. I've also read that it could be a paid upgrade.

Yet now Blue will apparantly be an under the hood upgrade, available this year and free for all.

With Blue M1 exit floating around, the more recent bits are more likely going to be true. This isn't looking like Windows 9 (which would be a paid upgrade with visual improvements) but more like a Service Pack 1.

Also it was Windows Phone Blue that was reportedly delayed into 2014

Ronnet said,
I'm not closely following Windows Blue but the bits that I do get are totally contradicting eachother.

I've read rumors that Blue would be a huge UI improvement but not much under the hood. And I've read that it would be delayed into 2014. I've also read that it could be a paid upgrade.

Yet now Blue will apparantly be an under the hood upgrade, available this year and free for all.

Don't worry you know about as much as the next guy... Let's just hope its a bloody good update!

The rumour is Windows Phone Blue may be delayed until 2014, the desktop blue is still on schedule. I don't think it will bring any major UI changes but will clean some things up.

Tangmeister said,
Anyone remember "Wind", the revolutionary 3D Windows 8 interface?

Never heard about that before. But 3D might be the next step after touch computing. If Microsoft can get there before anyone else, they may have a chance to become leaders again. Somehow use Kinect + 3D + Voice Recognition in a PC (or Post PC).

Scorpus said,
With Blue M1 exit floating around, the more recent bits are more likely going to be true. This isn't looking like Windows 9 (which would be a paid upgrade with visual improvements) but more like a Service Pack 1.

Also it was Windows Phone Blue that was reportedly delayed into 2014


Agreed, but we need to keep in mind a couple of things on the UI front.
1) The UI rumors were that they would further refine the UI and make it more consistent throughout. That is still VERY likely.
2) UI changes are generally the last thing Microsoft exposes during development (externally). Anyone that's tested a version of Windows previously knows this.

willwalk said,
Sounds more like windows 8 service pack one. It would be the biggest service pack since windows XP service pack two.

I'm thinking... Perhaps it doesn't really matter what it's called as long as it serves its purpose.

Can't wait though, it looks interesting so far.

willwalk said,
Sounds more like windows 8 service pack one. It would be the biggest service pack since windows XP service pack two.

Marketing gimmick to rename a Service pack to Blue. Its still ok. Can't wait to try it out.

Well to be fair, a Service Pack was traditionally fixes only rather than any changes to features. Even ones that did add features never went so far as including a new kernel version.

willwalk said,
Sounds more like windows 8 service pack one. It would be the biggest service pack since windows XP service pack two.

Well ever since Vista, MS has been using service packs to deliver a bundle of previously released updates rather than add new features. So my thinking is yes this is more like a major service pack from the XP era. Vista and 7 never got any big updates like this.

sanke1 said,

Marketing gimmick to rename a Service pack to Blue. Its still ok. Can't wait to try it out.

Except you didn't have to pay for a Service Pack...

Raa said,

Except you didn't have to pay for a Service Pack...

Except MS has not mentioned anything about a paid update. So complete speculation by you in hinting that this may be a paid upgrade.

willwalk said,
Sounds more like windows 8 service pack one. It would be the biggest service pack since windows XP service pack two.

I'm not sure why people expect it to be something other than a SP...

Raa said,

Except you didn't have to pay for a Service Pack...

:facepalm:
I really don't understand clueless people propogating a rumor that has been consistently debunked by anyone even close to in the know... It's ridiculous... In fact, in this very article (if you'd read it), it mentions that this update is expected to be free...

Raa said,

Except you didn't have to pay for a Service Pack...

:facepalm:
I really don't understand clueless people propogating a rumor that has been consistently debunked by anyone even close to in the know... It's ridiculous... In fact, in this very article (if you'd read it), it mentions that this update is expected to be free...