Windows celebrates 25 years of computing

Microsoft Windows, the operating system that rose to dominance of the home and business PC market turns 25 years old today. Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985, and at first didn't catch on as well as Microsoft had hoped. Two years later Microsoft would release Windows 2.0, and then Windows 3.1 which got the ball rolling.

Windows 1.0 started as a graphical user interface for MS-DOS back in September 1981 and at the time named "Interface Manager." Bill Gates would later on present this development to the public on November 10 1983 where it was renamed "Windows." The name "Windows" comes from the name given to the graphic elements of individual tasks which could be moved around. Microsoft was very proud of their product, but others weren't ready to jump on the bandwagon yet, or even think there was going to be a bandwagon.

Carnegie Mellon IT guy Nathaniel Borenstein didn't see Windows as anything special, and according to Gizmodo even had this to say when demoed the GUI: "We laughed, just laughed them out of the place because we had a vastly superior window manager of our own, and these guys came in with this pathetic and naïve system. We just knew they were never going to accomplish anything."

Two years later Windows 1.0 shipped, but not as much more than a user interface to DOS with very limited functionality, including the inability to overlap windows. Over at Apple, in 1984 Mac OS was released, which was a functional, yet command line lacking OS. Microsoft had to play catch up and make something that wasn't strictly a GUI to MS-DOS, but that would have features of its own too.

Microsoft Windows would come to be respected in the workplace with Windows 3.1, and then even more at home with the release of Windows 95. From there the next major improvement came with Windows NT which operating systems Windows 2000 and Windows XP through Windows 7 are based on, and included a new file system, NTFS. 

Windows has certainly come a long way in usability, concepts, looks, innovation, and even popularity from its early days. Here is to another 25 good years, you've earned it!

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The good old times: Windows 3.xx, Wordperfect killing Wordstar and QuattroPro as the King of the spreadsheet World...... me: no glasses and a head full of hair.

Fritzly said,
The good old times: Windows 3.xx, Wordperfect killing Wordstar and QuattroPro as the King of the spreadsheet World...... me: no glasses and a head full of hair.

Morale of the story? Windows leads to losing your hair and eyesight (at least).

I was amused at the Gizmodo article when it says: "People wanted to see their files, not read them. People wanted metaphors..." Granted that seems to be a quote from Bill Gates, but ummmm... No.

There may have been a few people that wanted everything Microsoft boasted, but remembering back around 85 when somebody brought a Mac around to work to show off, it was more a promising look at what the future might bring, but at that moment a *very* overpriced toy... I think the max attention anyone would give the poor guy was 4 minutes, & that was partly (mostly?) to be polite. 7, 8 years or so later, when non-IBM PCs began to slowly appear [e.g. there was one small shop in Orlando], they were still expensive, & there didn't seem to be anything lacking with DOS. Win 3.1 when it appeared OTOH was a PITA -- unless you liked diddling with autoexec.bat, config.sys, win.ini etc. I remember adding a CD ROM drive (it cost ~$300 from a newly opened Best Buy down the Fla coast) & spending days getting it working -- the manufacturer's tech support said just return it for a refund [some things haven't changed hardly at all]. Win 3.1 I believe actually created the whole tech repair/consultant biz -- I remember exactly 1 phone call from an acquaintance re: DOS, while win 3.1 quickly brought a stream.

Gates' early hype points out another thing that hasn't changed all that much -- Microsoft's focus on what you *can* do, rather than what you *want* &/or *need*. Their experience with 7 [& Vista] may have taught them that's not always in their best interests... guess we'll find out with 8. Happy Birthday Windows -- here's to many more. It hasn't always been fun, but you've always brought something good along with the bad.

well it wasnt a easy road, suffered many drawbacks with ME and Vista but well microsoft can go until they run out of ideas... windows 8 its a big question mark...

25 years for Windows, 15 years for me...

...as i started using PC's in 1995 myself (PC had Windows 3.11 on it with 4xxMB hard drive with 4MB ram and a 486dx 66mhz Intel CPU and i believe it had a 2400baud modem in it) which is when we got our first PC back when i was 15-16 years old which was at least 3 years or more before the internet really hit the mainstream as i would suspect it was about 1998-ish (maybe a little more) before the internet really took off from what i can recall.

ThaCrip said,
25 years for Windows, 15 years for me...

...as i started using PC's in 1995 myself (PC had Windows 3.11 on it with 4xxMB hard drive with 4MB ram and a 486dx 66mhz Intel CPU and i believe it had a 2400baud modem in it) which is when we got our first PC back when i was 15-16 years old which was at least 3 years or more before the internet really hit the mainstream as i would suspect it was about 1998-ish (maybe a little more) before the internet really took off from what i can recall.

FWIW anyway... A few years before that most went on-line through Prodigy, then Compuserve & AOL. Many folks could also connect with universities to get access to the Internet before the web brought html & graphics. By 95 the web was up & running, but still an option once you logged into AOL -- years later they were still fostering the notion that just maybe it wasn't safe out there, so better to stay in AOL controlled waters. ;-) For most just logging on through your ISP & not reaching a portal first was still a few years off.

mikiem said,

FWIW anyway... A few years before that most went on-line through Prodigy, then Compuserve & AOL. Many folks could also connect with universities to get access to the Internet before the web brought html & graphics. By 95 the web was up & running, but still an option once you logged into AOL -- years later they were still fostering the notion that just maybe it wasn't safe out there, so better to stay in AOL controlled waters. ;-) For most just logging on through your ISP & not reaching a portal first was still a few years off.

yeah, i can't claim true old school... but i can at least claim i was online before the internet really hit the big time as far as mainstream use which i suspect was roughly around 1998+ before it really started to become much more common with the average joe.

because i do remember using AOL quite a bit back in the early days when i was online which was most of the late-1990's that i was online i believed we mostly used AOL. but i think i did have some local provider for roughly a year or two. it was not until the year 2000 (about mid 2000) that we got high speed internet (i.e. Comcast) in my area as i was one of the very first (it sounded like literally within the first handful) to get it according to the guy who set it up for me.

but thanks for the basic back story

Yay, Windows!!

Man, was I glad to get out of that dos based stuff way back when!!

Even most of the ancient machines at my shop have been upgraded to some graphically usuable Windows based operating systems, except for a few pre WWII machines that are still there!

Windows has really rocked ever since W2K (except Vista anyway)

Can only wonder what another 25 years will do for it?

I'd love to see how Win 3.1 would run on an SSD and modern PC
At the time, we'd test the speed by running a dir command and see how fast the folder structure would show up

@JAB
I guess doing "power user intensive" stuff will either require the use of dedicated software or the use of the command line. In the former case, it is up to your chosen software to handle the thing, not the Windows GUI. In the latter, it is up to you to use the PowerShell and the search bar not spending your time clicking everywhere like playing an FPS. The mouse is not made to "mess with the file system", there are far more powerful tools built-in in the new PowerShell. It is up to you to get used to newer more powerful technologies when they implemented in your OS. I hardly see why Vista or 7 could be said to be crap seeing you just seem unable to evolve and get used to more effective ways of using these new releases. Anyway, no one forbids you from installing third party mouse based file managers as well if you see fit.

likeAP said,
the good old DOS days.....

Yeah. hard locks, crackling sound in games (SB emulation, IRQ issues), running out of memory (memmaker, boot disks, yay), etc. DOS wasn't all "good".

to anyone in this topic that says xp is better, my only question is... "wtf are you smoking, and where can i get some"

that is all

How is it that birthday well wishes to Microsoft for their twenty-five years of Windows became a debate about operating systems? Here is something for you to ponder, Windows XP and Windows 7 are ... wait for it .... wait for it ... Windows. Who really cares what flavor you are currently using or cannot seem to live without. The point is twenty-five years ago a handful of young pioneers unwittingly and unknowingly changed the world. I for one am very grateful and wish Microsoft a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

If nothing, this shows Microsoft knows persistence. They'll stick with it for a version or two until they actually have something.

Long Live Windows!

Top 3 OSes IMO - For Usability, Stability, Speed and Features
1. Windows 7 x64 - Stable from day 1, Fast, Feature Rich
(Their Best OS Ever partly thanks to the ground breaking done with Vista)

2. Window 2000 Professional - Stable and Tough as nails!

3. XP after SP2 - Pre SP2 XP was a dog and lacked security

> and then even more at home with the release of Windows 95. From there the next major improvement came with Windows NT which operating systems Windows 2000 and Windows XP through Windows 7 are based on

Who writes this crap? NT predates 95 by almost 2 years.

_dandy_ said,
> and then even more at home with the release of Windows 95. From there the next major improvement came with Windows NT which operating systems Windows 2000 and Windows XP through Windows 7 are based on

Who writes this crap? NT predates 95 by almost 2 years.


True, but I'd take NT line over 9x/ME line ANY day!

Great, now slap Aero on XP, add DirectX 11 and networking improvements and stop removing the actually useful features from Windows! Only fan boys actually think the arthritis inducing two to five times the number of clicks, removed/hidden features and the eye-candy at the expense of tons of worthless junk is actually good. Oh and opening up a video game and saying Windows 7 is good doesn't count, if you're not doing power user production level stuff then you really aren't going to stress the OS that you're using especially if you're not working a lot with the file system. Clearly Microsoft isn't listening and I'm thinking Kubuntu will eventually replace XP for me.

JAB Creations said,
Great, now slap Aero on XP, add DirectX 11 and networking improvements and stop removing the actually useful features from Windows! Only fan boys actually think the arthritis inducing two to five times the number of clicks, removed/hidden features and the eye-candy at the expense of tons of worthless junk is actually good. Oh and opening up a video game and saying Windows 7 is good doesn't count, if you're not doing power user production level stuff then you really aren't going to stress the OS that you're using especially if you're not working a lot with the file system. Clearly Microsoft isn't listening and I'm thinking Kubuntu will eventually replace XP for me.

FOOL. XP is dead, get over it.

JAB Creations said,
Great, now slap Aero on XP, add DirectX 11 and networking improvements and stop removing the actually useful features from Windows! Only fan boys actually think the arthritis inducing two to five times the number of clicks, removed/hidden features and the eye-candy at the expense of tons of worthless junk is actually good. Oh and opening up a video game and saying Windows 7 is good doesn't count, if you're not doing power user production level stuff then you really aren't going to stress the OS that you're using especially if you're not working a lot with the file system. Clearly Microsoft isn't listening and I'm thinking Kubuntu will eventually replace XP for me.

really you still want XP... dam you must stuck somewhere in time! move on 7 is great and if not better than xp...

JAB Creations said,
Great, now slap Aero on XP, add DirectX 11 and networking improvements and stop removing the actually useful features from Windows! Only fan boys actually think the arthritis inducing two to five times the number of clicks, removed/hidden features and the eye-candy at the expense of tons of worthless junk is actually good. Oh and opening up a video game and saying Windows 7 is good doesn't count, if you're not doing power user production level stuff then you really aren't going to stress the OS that you're using especially if you're not working a lot with the file system. Clearly Microsoft isn't listening and I'm thinking Kubuntu will eventually replace XP for me.

Damn, who let it out from under the bridge?

Obviously people can't think for themselves, newer is not inherently better. If XP is dead then why are 60% of PC's using XP? Windows 7 is a disaster and I say that from the perspective of using my system for production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...es_removed_in_Windows_Vista

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...atures_removed_in_Windows_7

The only ones trolling are those who can't think for themselves and blindly buy something newer because it has a higher version number. Instead of dealing with the excessive junk thrown in to the start menu they buried the programs folder that requires CLICKS instead of mouseover actions to open sub-folders (fail) and the whole start menu is over-bloated without the classic start menu available any more (fail). Windows Explorer's toolbars are no longer customizable (fail). You can no longer effectively force Windows to save files to a different drive then C:\ (massive fail) leaving your personal and work files subjective to loss by formats (you WILL format that drive eventually). SuperFetch randomly dumps anything it can in to your memory making systems unresponsive by making users wait why the hard drive does stuff it shouldn't (no, it does NOT correctly do what it's supposed to do, EVER). NOTHING is customizable except for colors and the desktop background and production is more important then looks. Oh and I have the Aero theme on XP. Linkage: http://customize.org/xpthemes/62024

Glad they got rid of outdated and unneeded features and streamlined their OS, XP is dead.

And as for "number of clicks" lmao, join the 21st century and learn to use the search bar, its replaced your decrepit old XP-era menu system.

JAB Creations said,
Obviously people can't think for themselves, newer is not inherently better. If XP is dead then why are 60% of PC's using XP? Windows 7 is a disaster and I say that from the perspective of using my system for production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...es_removed_in_Windows_Vista

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...atures_removed_in_Windows_7

The only ones trolling are those who can't think for themselves and blindly buy something newer because it has a higher version number. Instead of dealing with the excessive junk thrown in to the start menu they buried the programs folder that requires CLICKS instead of mouseover actions to open sub-folders (fail) and the whole start menu is over-bloated without the classic start menu available any more (fail). Windows Explorer's toolbars are no longer customizable (fail). You can no longer effectively force Windows to save files to a different drive then C:\ (massive fail) leaving your personal and work files subjective to loss by formats (you WILL format that drive eventually). SuperFetch randomly dumps anything it can in to your memory making systems unresponsive by making users wait why the hard drive does stuff it shouldn't (no, it does NOT correctly do what it's supposed to do, EVER). NOTHING is customizable except for colors and the desktop background and production is more important then looks. Oh and I have the Aero theme on XP. Linkage: http://customize.org/xpthemes/62024

Yes you can save to other partitions and drives as well.
Why the 7 Hate, you apparently don't like XP Hate so dont be hypocritical.

JAB Creations said,
Obviously people can't think for themselves, newer is not inherently better. If XP is dead then why are 60% of PC's using XP? Windows 7 is a disaster and I say that from the perspective of using my system for production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...es_removed_in_Windows_Vista

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...atures_removed_in_Windows_7

The only ones trolling are those who can't think for themselves and blindly buy something newer because it has a higher version number. Instead of dealing with the excessive junk thrown in to the start menu they buried the programs folder that requires CLICKS instead of mouseover actions to open sub-folders (fail) and the whole start menu is over-bloated without the classic start menu available any more (fail). Windows Explorer's toolbars are no longer customizable (fail). You can no longer effectively force Windows to save files to a different drive then C:\ (massive fail) leaving your personal and work files subjective to loss by formats (you WILL format that drive eventually). SuperFetch randomly dumps anything it can in to your memory making systems unresponsive by making users wait why the hard drive does stuff it shouldn't (no, it does NOT correctly do what it's supposed to do, EVER). NOTHING is customizable except for colors and the desktop background and production is more important then looks. Oh and I have the Aero theme on XP. Linkage: http://customize.org/xpthemes/62024

Windows XP sucks because when I try to navigate it using nothing but command prompt I have to type cd and dir too many times! And you can't boot into a native DOS anymore! And this Windows File Protection thing keeps me from deleting user32.dll! Microsoft needs to make this one exactly like the previous version, seriously!

JAB Creations said,
~snipped~

I just installed Windows XP in a VM on Windows 7. I have to use it for testing purposes but I feel like puking. I feel restricted by not being able to launch apps by just by typing in a few letters. I feel restricted by not being able to drag Windows quickly to either ends of the screen. This is my opinion but: it looks horrible compared to the Win7 aero interface.

And why do 60% of users still use Windows XP? Their hardware probably can't handle 7. And uprgrading both their hardware and OS would likely be too expensive for them. Then there are businesses using software that might not work as well on Windows 7. It's not because of the reasons you listed.

All the "problems" you mentioned are very easily solved or have a better implementation in 7. The problem is not with Windows 7, the problem is the way you approach it.

JAB Creations said,
Obviously people can't think for themselves, newer is not inherently better. If XP is dead then why are 60% of PC's using XP? Windows 7 is a disaster and I say that from the perspective of using my system for production.

The only ones trolling are those who can't think for themselves and blindly buy something newer because it has a higher version number. Instead of dealing with the excessive junk thrown in to the start menu they buried the programs folder that requires CLICKS instead of mouseover actions to open sub-folders (fail) and the whole start menu is over-bloated without the classic start menu available any more (fail).
I think the classic start menu looks terrible, and I like having a quick list of programs that I use the most...less clicks.

Windows Explorer's toolbars are no longer customizable (fail).
Ok, but you can find a billion tools that will allow you to do the same.

You can no longer effectively force Windows to save files to a different drive then C:\ (massive fail) leaving your personal and work files subjective to loss by formats (you WILL format that drive eventually).
Really? Right click on the "Documents" etc folder and select properties -> location. I personally have all my documents / pictures / music on another drive, with windows and my programs on my C drive.

SuperFetch randomly dumps anything it can in to your memory making systems unresponsive by making users wait why the hard drive does stuff it shouldn't (no, it does NOT correctly do what it's supposed to do, EVER).
Really? I completely beg to differ. You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what Superfetch does and how it works and you're just trolling.

NOTHING is customizable except for colors and the desktop background and production is more important then looks. Oh and I have the Aero theme on XP. Linkage: http://customize.org/xpthemes/62024
COOL STORY BRO. Considering aero is more than just a theme...more fail from you =)

JAB Creations said,
Great, now slap Aero on XP, add DirectX 11 and networking improvements and stop removing the actually useful features from Windows! Only fan boys actually think the arthritis inducing two to five times the number of clicks, removed/hidden features and the eye-candy at the expense of tons of worthless junk is actually good. Oh and opening up a video game and saying Windows 7 is good doesn't count, if you're not doing power user production level stuff then you really aren't going to stress the OS that you're using especially if you're not working a lot with the file system. Clearly Microsoft isn't listening and I'm thinking Kubuntu will eventually replace XP for me.

Yeah because you can totally play every single PC game on XP
/sarcasm

The_DINGUS said,
join the 21st century and learn to use the search bar

I don't search for things that are already easy to find. Searching for shortcuts = hard fail.

Leroy Jethro Gibbs said,
Why the 7 Hate, you apparently don't like XP Hate so dont be hypocritical.

Hate? Ghetto speak = English fail.

K.John said,
looks horrible compared to the Win7 aero interface. Their hardware probably can't handle 7.

XP can be themed. You did not read what I said about SuperFetch.

/- Razorfold said,
COOL STORY BRO.

Cool inability to pay attention to details, you are hardcore fail.

stablemist said,
Yeah because you can totally play every single PC game on XP
/sarcasm

Name a single game that won't run on XP that does on 7 that I would personally want to play as well.

What I have said has substance since I actually use my computer for more then games. Most of those replies are just hard fail troll posts because none of those retorts had any weight.

Cool inability to pay attention to details, you are hardcore fail.

Haha, good job reading nothing else in my post. Except 3 words. As for the features removed from Vista and 7 compared to XP..I want you to name more than 10 that you use DAILY. Sorry the ones you mentioned above don't count, especially nothing related to the classic theme.

Wonder who's the troll here. Hmm.

Edited by -Razorfold, Nov 21 2010, 12:20am :

JAB Creations said,
~snip~

Yes, You are trolling. This news post did not ask if you were a fan of Windows 7 and/or why you still use decade old software.

It seems like only the people stuck on XP like to start crap about "I'm not upgrading because XP ownz." No one cares why you're still on XP. Quit trying to defend yourself. It's pointless. XP is outdated and has been replaced by a far superior OS. Deal with it.

Go find a thread that actually talks about this topic you keep crying about, because "Windows celebrates 25 years of computing" has nothing to do with your stupid rant.

Quigley Guy said,
lol, this guy really is stuck in the past...
I mean, just look at his website - http://www.jabcreations.com

Hahaaha

"Copyright 1998 - 2010. All rights reserved." - So he obviously has edited his website this year. Can't pull "I haven't touched that since 2001" crap. Bahaha. I can see why he LOVES XP.

Here is a pic of him. This is real. http://imgf.tw/609061801.jpg

His other sites (very 90's) - http://johnbilicki.com/portfolio.html

Edited by david, Nov 21 2010, 2:19am :

The_DINGUS said,

LOL!

I expect a site like that to include a footnote saying it is best viewed with Netscape Navigator 4.0 running at 800x600. What a luddite!

I took a look around at the code and surprisingly while the design is rather oldish looking the underlying code may be good. It's written using PHP which is fairly common now. It also uses proper xhtml through-out. I was going to comment that it was using frames but rather he is farther along than me by actually using proper div and spans in the code.

As for updates... Once I figured out how to get in (this may be his biggest issue beyond actual looks) I found that he last updated on Nov 17th when he made the new design effective.

It has some interesting bugs though. For starters it picked up Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 as Opera 10.0-10.2... Wonder why?

david said,

Yes, You are trolling. This news post did not ask if you were a fan of Windows 7 and/or why you still use decade old software.

It seems like only the people stuck on XP like to start crap about "I'm not upgrading because XP ownz." No one cares why you're still on XP. Quit trying to defend yourself. It's pointless. XP is outdated and has been replaced by a far superior OS. Deal with it.

Go find a thread that actually talks about this topic you keep crying about, because "Windows celebrates 25 years of computing" has nothing to do with your stupid rant.

Some people still do prefer XP. At this point the majority of computers that I get that have issues are Vista/7 computers and I get few XP ones. Does that mean that XP is better than Vista/7? Nope. Does that mean that there is more Vista/7 computers than XP? Nope. That just means that is my sample set. No one really knows how the movement goes. All we know is that surveys are showing a high XP usage still (for one reason or another) and that most that have Windows 7 do indeed like it. Alot of businesses are moving to Windows 7 when they are able to. At this point the limiting factor is going to be hardware. My workplace would probably have to replace half the machines to get ones that could support Windows 7. The rest probably could take it with a ram upgrade. Otherwise we continue to run XP in the interim. Most of my co-workers have converted from XP to Windows 7 out of choice. Most of those did so before Windows 7 was officially released installing a surprisingly stable beta or release candidate before most companies officially supported it. Yes we are all techies at work but that doesn't mean that we all know what we are doing. I personally have been running Windows 7 since the day the release candidate came out.

Original Install Date: 8/8/2009, 8:21:17 PM

The_DINGUS said,

LOL!

I expect a site like that to include a footnote saying it is best viewed with Netscape Navigator 4.0 running at 800x600. What a luddite!

I wonder what happened to the other 28. I dont do web design, period, but I could come up with something that was not from the 80's or 90's when geosities and anglefire owned the web

The_DINGUS said,

LOL!

I expect a site like that to include a footnote saying it is best viewed with Netscape Navigator 4.0 running at 800x600. What a luddite!

Now that was funny. I now understand why he has such a hatred for Win7..Frontpage isn't included.

K.John said,

I just installed Windows XP in a VM on Windows 7. I have to use it for testing purposes but I feel like puking. I feel restricted by not being able to launch apps by just by typing in a few letters. I feel restricted by not being able to drag Windows quickly to either ends of the screen. This is my opinion but: it looks horrible compared to the Win7 aero interface.

And why do 60% of users still use Windows XP? Their hardware probably can't handle 7. And uprgrading both their hardware and OS would likely be too expensive for them. Then there are businesses using software that might not work as well on Windows 7. It's not because of the reasons you listed.

All the "problems" you mentioned are very easily solved or have a better implementation in 7. The problem is not with Windows 7, the problem is the way you approach it.

+1

JAB Creations said,

I don't search for things that are already easy to find. Searching for shortcuts = hard fail.

Hate? Ghetto speak = English fail.

XP can be themed. You did not read what I said about SuperFetch.

Cool inability to pay attention to details, you are hardcore fail.

Name a single game that won't run on XP that does on 7 that I would personally want to play as well.

What I have said has substance since I actually use my computer for more then games. Most of those replies are just hard fail troll posts because none of those retorts had any weight.

You sir, are a mug. I seriously hope for your sake that you are trolling because if you actually believe the rubbish you're spewing forth then I really have to question your intelligence, or lack there of.

JAB Creations said,
Great, now slap Aero on XP, add DirectX 11 and networking improvements and stop removing the actually useful features from Windows! Only fan boys actually think the arthritis inducing two to five times the number of clicks, removed/hidden features and the eye-candy at the expense of tons of worthless junk is actually good. Oh and opening up a video game and saying Windows 7 is good doesn't count, if you're not doing power user production level stuff then you really aren't going to stress the OS that you're using especially if you're not working a lot with the file system. Clearly Microsoft isn't listening and I'm thinking Kubuntu will eventually replace XP for me.

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JAB Creations said,
The only ones trolling are those who can't think for themselves and blindly buy something newer because it has a higher version number.

Wrong.

JAB Creations said,
Instead of dealing with the excessive junk thrown in to the start menu they buried the programs folder that requires CLICKS instead of mouseover actions to open sub-folders (fail) and the whole start menu is over-bloated without the classic start menu available any more (fail).

Try typing into the search bar. There is no more need to "dig" through it anymore. Problem solved.

JAB Creations said,
Windows Explorer's toolbars are no longer customizable (fail).

There are third party programs that can do this. Eitherway, what are you hoping to add? More mouse clicks? Didn't you just say you hated that? What is missing from the toolbar is easily fixed by faster keyboard shortcuts.

JAB Creations said,
You can no longer effectively force Windows to save files to a different drive then C:\ (massive fail) leaving your personal and work files subjective to loss by formats (you WILL format that drive eventually).

MASSIVE FAIL. I am able to save my work to my jump drive on a regular basis. I have no clue where you are getting this from.

JAB Creations said,
SuperFetch randomly dumps anything it can in to your memory making systems unresponsive by making users wait why the hard drive does stuff it shouldn't (no, it does NOT correctly do what it's supposed to do, EVER).

Again, No, it doesn't. Quit making **** up dude.

JAB Creations said,
NOTHING is customizable except for colors and the desktop background and production is more important then looks. Oh and I have the Aero theme on XP. Linkage: http://customize.org/xpthemes/62024

AERO is perfectly customizable just like XP is. Don't you take a look at the monthly desktop thread? And AERO is more than just looks.

You're making stuff up here, and you're making yourself look bad in the process. I can tell that you have NEVER used Windows since XP and only referenced a Wikipedia article. Eitherway, have fun being left behind.

Edited by Frylock86, Nov 21 2010, 1:29pm : To kill the FUD "JAB Creations" is trying to spread.

JAB Creations said,
Great, now slap Aero on XP, add DirectX 11 and networking improvements and stop removing the actually useful features from Windows! Only fan boys actually think the arthritis inducing two to five times the number of clicks, removed/hidden features and the eye-candy at the expense of tons of worthless junk is actually good. Oh and opening up a video game and saying Windows 7 is good doesn't count, if you're not doing power user production level stuff then you really aren't going to stress the OS that you're using especially if you're not working a lot with the file system. Clearly Microsoft isn't listening and I'm thinking Kubuntu will eventually replace XP for me.

well i can agree and disagree with you

in some cases i prefer XP for compatibility try to ask intel and amd to make proper drivers for a intel wireless 2200bg and a ati mobility radeon x600 yeah those 2 for my thinkpad and while they running with issues.

I agree with you about how customizable its the interface of xp and for the matter of fact ie6, i really hate the forced intefrace like ie7 thanks that they improved a lot with ie8 but it seems that ie9 its going back to forced intefrace again =/

Adobe didnt updated flash paper to work for vista or windows 7 so another reason for me to stay with XP.

But then i use both win 7 and win xp machines. windows 7 its very good for new hardwares, it feel snappy and run very fast, windows xp in my case it feels slower when its gets older.

If you have an old machine stay with xp to avoid problems, moving to linux its not a bad idea BUT its not gonna make an easy transition.

david said,

Hahaaha

"Copyright 1998 - 2010. All rights reserved." - So he obviously has edited his website this year. Can't pull "I haven't touched that since 2001" crap. Bahaha. I can see why he LOVES XP.

Here is a pic of him. This is real. http://imgf.tw/609061801.jpg

As much as I admire his homage to Fabio, it's his assertion that both homosexuality and political correctness are communist plots that top the list for me! I always love a good "red scare"!

http://www.jabcreations.com/philosophy/morals

A couple people with technical skill looked at the code and understood what they were looking at and I appreciate that there ARE other people on the internet that are intelligent. I don't have enough time to debate everything with everyone though I do thank the people who made civilized replies even if they disagreed in a civil manner.

shinji257, Mozilla removed a DOM object in the new beta which changed the detection of Firefox 4. View the JavaScript init() function, it's fixed now though you may have to force reload the scripting.

I don't care about trying to impress people who have nothing better to do then insult others they don't agree with. If they were worth anyone's time then they themselves wouldn't have the time to sit around at their computers insulting others.

Coding is irrelevant, the design and layout prove that you are unable to adapt to improvements and advancements in user interfaces, which is why you are stuck on obsolete methods such as "menu clicking" for navigation.