Windows Live Essentials 2011 beta 2 due next Tuesday

Microsoft is planning to release beta 2 of Windows Live Essentials 2011 next Tuesday.

According to sources familiar with Microsoft's plans, the software giant will be issuing a second beta update to address a range of issues found in the recent public beta. The beta will also include updated program icons for the suite and some minor feature changes.

Microsoft originally released a Windows Live Essentials beta on June 24. Essentials includes the popular programs Windows Live Movie Maker, Mail, Writer, Sync, and Family Safety. The Windows Live team have aimed to ensure that the next version of Windows Live Essentials takes advantage of Windows 7 fully. All applications now use the new ribbon UI and integrate further into Windows 7 by using Jumplists. Windows Live Sync is also included which keeps your files synchronized on the web and across multiple PCs.

Microsoft also introduced several new features for Windows Live Photo Gallery, including photo fusing to blend photos together and improved facial recognition. Expect the second beta to hit around 10AM PST on Tuesday August 17.

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Does Windows Live Mail 2011 Beta 1 open slow for anyone here besides me?

I just seems too slow when opening. And even when open it just seems kind od slow and fells bloated

I wish it was super fast!!!

I wonder if having to many e mails could be the reason for the slowness?

marcus_registradus said,
Does this mean we'll be getting the Office 2010 ribbon instead of the Office 2007 version...?

It's mainly based on the ribbon used in Wordpad and Paint on 7.

Here is hoping twitter support returns, and possibly getting things ready for Windows Live Messenger for Windows Phone 7

Regarding JSYOUNG571's second comment, I just hope they bring back display names, as has been said. I don't think they're childish, myself. As long as they aren't filled with junk characters, they just allow for a bit of creativity. For example, I find it hard to be without a particular piece of ASCII art before my alias; it's just part of me now.

An option would be great though; forced features where an option makes the most sense are never really a good idea.

Lyton Darque said,
Regarding JSYOUNG571's second comment, I just hope they bring back display names, as has been said. I don't think they're childish, myself. As long as they aren't filled with junk characters, they just allow for a bit of creativity. For example, I find it hard to be without a particular piece of ASCII art before my alias; it's just part of me now.

An option would be great though; forced features where an option makes the most sense are never really a good idea.

I agree :-)
I'd also messenger's old Jumplist back, so I don't have to wait for the thumbnail toolbar to appear to change my messenger status.

Another thing, change it back to M2. As you see, you have social view in the main side of the window, and contacts in the small bit. And in compact view only contacts.

But in M2, you could swap the two. And in Compact view run one or the other. It looked way better in M2 than it is now

TechDudeGeorge said,
Another thing, change it back to M2. As you see, you have social view in the main side of the window, and contacts in the small bit. And in compact view only contacts.

But in M2, you could swap the two. And in Compact view run one or the other. It looked way better in M2 than it is now

I tend to disagree with that.

dagrimdialer619 said,

I tend to disagree with that.

Why, it was much more convenient. I sometimes preferred to have my contacts showing and social feed in the small section... If I had a lot of contacts online. Also it showed your favourite contacts with their display pics in the social view mode. Now it does not They really messed it up from M2 to M3 (B1)

I say they take as much time as possible on the new WLE. The biggest issue is the lackluster new Sync, which ruins Mesh and doesn't even offer a paid subscription. Second, they should eliminate Ribbon from Mail; it just isn't a good fit. Compare that to Wave 3 Mail which is nice, clean, and simple. Third, BRING BACK THE BLOODY TIMELINE in Movie Maker already.

Essentials is a good example of a Microsoft product regressing instead of improving with each new iteration.

Bern@rd said,
I say they take as much time as possible on the new WLE. The biggest issue is the lackluster new Sync, which ruins Mesh and doesn't even offer a paid subscription. Second, they should eliminate Ribbon from Mail; it just isn't a good fit. Compare that to Wave 3 Mail which is nice, clean, and simple. Third, BRING BACK THE BLOODY TIMELINE in Movie Maker already.

Essentials is a good example of a Microsoft product regressing instead of improving with each new iteration.


Mesh was and still is a beta, the final version is Live Sync Wave 4...
Personally I think Ribbons fit Mail well, matter of preference IMHO
Timeline would be nice, tough you can edit small videos without it...
Essentials is a program that's constantly getting better for me

"Essentials includes which includes the popular programs Windows Live Movie Maker, Mail, Writer, Sync, and Family Safety."

LOL I had to read that a few times.

Another note...I am glad that they stopped allowing people to use that nickname bs. I delete people off my messenger list who use them. I am a grown person who deals with grown people, not children.

I really hope for adding "to-do list" calendar synchronization to Live Mail! But i guess, it will never happened.

I am realizing that we are still having some of the same issues with messenger that we have had with previous versions. Windows Live Messenger still continues to fail on updates from the Windows Live Homepage. Contact icons are still sometimes. One minute they are there and the next they are blank. This has been ongoing for the longest time. Microsoft has to have been known this througout the history of Messengers. Another issue is not being able to see or hear your contacts sign on. It has not been consistant at all. Another issue is being able to check to sign on invisible everytime you sign on. It does not keep the settings, it is always trying to sign you on visible. I hope that they have fixed these issues.

Hopefully this version doesn't cause blue screen crashes of Windows 7 SP1 Beta... several others in the Windows 7 SP1 beta program have reported the same fault. Any time you've got a Windows Live Essentials app running, and you try and run any other type of graphically intensive app like games, or even media center, you can be sure the PC will blue screen and crash soon afterwards

TCLN Ryster said,
Hopefully this version doesn't cause blue screen crashes of Windows 7 SP1 Beta... several others in the Windows 7 SP1 beta program have reported the same fault. Any time you've got a Windows Live Essentials app running, and you try and run any other type of graphically intensive app like games, or even media center, you can be sure the PC will blue screen and crash soon afterwards

You shouldnt run beta software on beta software.

The webcam issue annoys me, where you can only activate a video call.
I wish they would change it back to how it used to be.

Hopefully this fixes so many bugs. I downgraded to 2009 due to Messenger being very buggy. And Live Movie Maker not working with 3gp files even with codecs. When 2009 works fine.

I hope they fix this, add more facebook options. And new icons I really want to see the Messenger Icon refreshed and likely the Live Mail icon will be changed to the gold hotmail logo.

please separate back username and password check box for the login

i don't went the program to remember my password , just the username/email address

I REALLY hope they put the ability to change your display name on WLM again, why would they even get rid of that...?
If this is gone forever, I'll be holding off on updating to the final version.
Stick to the 2009 release on Compatibility Mode

Dc'1 said,
I REALLY hope they put the ability to change your display name on WLM again, why would they even get rid of that...?
If this is gone forever, I'll be holding off on updating to the final version.
Stick to the 2009 release on Compatibility Mode

People who update still see your real name.

Dc'1 said,
I REALLY hope they put the ability to change your display name on WLM again, why would they even get rid of that...?
If this is gone forever, I'll be holding off on updating to the final version.
Stick to the 2009 release on Compatibility Mode


Why would they get rid of that? I applaud them. It gets rid of THIS crap.. *&#*($^*@#(@)&$*(#^&*&!(#)*@#(%^*#&% etc..... It's more cleaner to have it this way, and it's easier to see who everyone else is. It'd also be streamlined with the Facebook contacts.

It doesn't make sense to go back...

A second public beta?
Is it possible that the first "beta" was a leaked alpha version after all? (sarcasm)
I did like the ribbon for WLMail, but I hated the new Messenger, so I rolled back.


I do hope they took care of criticism on the display names (or nicknames).

Just copied my thoughts on Messenger, because I'm quite curious what people think about my compromise for the display names:

Some suggestions:
- bring back the feature to change nicknames. The status message never fully took over nicknames. Many users have something like this as a name: First_Name | Some_message.

- if the real name is now shown in contact list: huge privacy issue! Make sure you can easily change your name within Messenger.

- a compromise since we obviously have people who love and people who hate the forced use of real names in the contact list: allow users to choose what they want to see: real names, nicknames, or both.

- the new view with the social pane was default for me. For the not so tech-savvy users, it will be very difficult to get their "classic" look (compact view). Make this more obvious, maybe a larger icon at the top right.

- yay, tabbed chatting! This is one of the features which convinced me to install MsgPlus!. Now there are only two left: detailed logs (not sure if this has changed, but MSN didn't store logs ifI didn't sign out before shutting down my PC, where MsgPlus saves instantly) and the little windows-on-top when someone important is online.

I'd really love it if they fixed Movie Maker so that it doesn't pause exporting a movie if you switch to another user. Why the **** does it have to do that? It makes no sense.

First beta was WAY to buggy - almost every time I opened up the main window it would crash my display driver (yay for Windows 7 not bsod'ing every time) and the other times none of my contacts would show up. On top of that, I couldnt get the uninstaller to work properly.

Hopefully this guy is a little less buggy. Wont use this until a final version it out - until then Trillian.

And yes... my drivers are up to date.

Uncharted said,
+1 !

i havent had any bugs with the essentials beta. win 7 sp1 on the other hand, slowing down my computer/failing to uninstall/wiping my system restore meaning i have to do a clean install when i have to get rid of it!
looking forward to see what they change tho.

-1

didn't have any problems. Just my messenger status was not saved. It was turned Online everytime when I signed in.

chisss said,

huh?

The new live suite uses Direct2d and DirectWrite for displaying the fade in animations when you change view in messenger or resize the window.

It worked with Intel x3100 in the leaked builds, but it's not supported in the beta build so it lags as hell when I resize the window and it's ugly

mmyon said,
The new live suite uses Direct2d and DirectWrite for displaying the fade in animations when you change view in messenger or resize the window.

It worked with Intel x3100 in the leaked builds, but it's not supported in the beta build so it lags as hell when I resize the window and it's ugly

That has nothing to do with Microsoft and everything to do with the drivers - moan to Intel about their shonky drivers; they've been in that horrible state for years regardless of the platform.

rawr_boy81 said,

That has nothing to do with Microsoft and everything to do with the drivers - moan to Intel about their shonky drivers; they've been in that horrible state for years regardless of the platform.

It has to do something with MS . It worked with the leaked versions...

dotf said,
I would really like my messenger nickname back. I will have to drop a lot of friends if I cannot continue using a net pseudonym.

Go back to Wave 3 or use another client then? Not talking to your makes over that is rather stupid.

dotf said,
I would really like my messenger nickname back. I will have to drop a lot of friends if I cannot continue using a net pseudonym.

Change your name to your pseudonym, problem solved.

dotf said,
I would really like my messenger nickname back. I will have to drop a lot of friends if I cannot continue using a net pseudonym.

Erm, talking to little children? Yea, I get that.

Kuraj said,
Lets hope they worked out the Facebook chat in WLM

Here, here on this statement! WLM doesn't ever want to update my status that I have updated in Facebook. Even with the security settings on Facebook set correctly

Tenchi103 said,

Here, here on this statement! WLM doesn't ever want to update my status that I have updated in Facebook. Even with the security settings on Facebook set correctly

I had that issue the first day but it just somehow went away the next day.

Kuraj said,
Lets hope they worked out the Facebook chat in WLM

I would like ICQ-support even more. As I have so many contacts in ICQ I have to use a different client than Live Messenger...

MFH said,
I would like ICQ-support even more. As I have so many contacts in ICQ I have to use a different client than Live Messenger...

Apart from a few backwards third world countries, who earth uses ICQ these days? Christ, you might as well be talking about the need to support USENET support!

rawr_boy81 said,
Apart from a few backwards third world countries, who earth uses ICQ these days? Christ, you might as well be talking about the need to support USENET support!
Russia and a lot of Eastern Europe are examples of key markets for ICQ. Are they backwards 3rd world countries?

rawr_boy81 said,

Apart from a few backwards third world countries, who earth uses ICQ these days? Christ, you might as well be talking about the need to support USENET support!


A whole lot of Europeans use ICQ... Live/MSN is the minority here...

MFH said,

A whole lot of Europeans use ICQ... Live/MSN is the minority here...

ICQ = 42 million active users
MSN = 330 million active users

MFH said,

A whole lot of Europeans use ICQ... Live/MSN is the minority here...

Im european and dont know anyone else who uses ICQ but russians

Maybe with "here", he meant his country.
It definitely doesn't apply to Europe.

In Belgium, Live/MSN is used the most.
I haven't heard about anyone using ICQ so far.