Windows Live Essentials beta available now

Windows Live Essentials beta has already been unveiled and now is available for public testing. The package contains useful tools for everyday use including Windows Live Movie Maker, Mail, Messenger, Writer, Photo Gallery, Sync, and Family Safety.

Windows Live Essentials supports ribbon across many of the programs included, like Movie Maker, Mail, Photo Gallery and Writer. Microsoft has used this ribbon in other software products released including Microsoft Office 2010.

Photo Gallery
Windows Live Photo Gallery is a simple way to view, sort, edit and share your photos and videos. Windows Live Photo Gallery allows you to tag, rate, caption and share with friends and your social networks, including Facebook, Flickr, Windows Live Groups, YouTube and SkyDrive.

Movie Maker
Movie Maker offers you simple and effective ways of adding, editing and creating videos. Add multiple videos to make one video, add music, backgrounds, transitions and much more. You can record directly from your webcam or import from your camera and edit using an assortment of visual effects to give your video a professional touch.

Once you're all finished, directly upload your video to YouTube, Facebook, or SkyDrive. Movie Maker allows for sharing plug-ins, so you can add other sharing websites in the future.

Mail
Connect any Windows Live Passport to Mail, allowing you to send and receive emails all right from your desktop. Keep your emails, calendars, RSS feeds and contacts organized all from your desktop, without using a browser. Windows Live Mail delivers most of the features that Microsoft Office 2010 offers.

Sync
Easily access your folders from your desktop to your laptop or other home computers. Select any folder on your computer with pictures or videos to sync with another computer. Remotely connect and browse the folders and files you need while you're away from your desktop. You can even sync Internet Explorer and Microsoft Office 2010 settings using Sync.

Writer
If you manage a blog or just like keeping a personal journal, Windows Live Writer lets you post directly from your desktop, with the ability to include YouTube or desktop videos, pictures, photo albums, maps, emoticons and tags. You can even set Windows Live Writer to use your online blog theme, so you can preview exactly how it will look before you publish.

Family Safety
Designed to keep your children safe by giving parents or guardians control over what is available to view. Simple and easy to manage filters can be enabled for your Windows accounts, making sure your children can't access adult content. Windows Live Family Safety makes it easy to monitor what your kids are viewing online. Requests and blocked websites are sent to the parents email, giving them the option to approve or deny access to certain websites.

Messenger
One of the biggest improvements in Windows Live Essentials is Messenger. Now with integrated social networks like Facebook and MySpace, with more networks coming, users can view, comment, and post right within Windows Live Messenger.

Messenger allows you to switch between the social network + contacts and the classic contact list view. Users not interested in the social networking addition can view their contact list as they always have. Instantly chat with friends and family all around the world, sharing videos and photos, even using your webcam to chat live with them.

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I think the new WLM is better. For those who dislike the dropping of nicknames; there comes a time in life when you have to grow out of your nickname and start using your real name

Bing Bar - Don't like it at all. What is the purpose of the Bing Search Bar when I have it built in up in the right hand corner by Internet Explorer. The Windows Live Toolbar should have been kept except with a new build of the new Windows Live Platform. Being able to check your mail, calendar, social updates (Windows Live Space, Facebook, My Space, Youtube) Profile, Photos, and MSN all in one place is convenient when you want to take a peek at what is going on if you are on another webpage. I hope that someday they will bring it back more advanced. I have decided to do away with the Bing Bar. Don't need it.

Windows Live Messenger - So far so good on the right track with Messenger. As usual we have to loose features to get features it seems. Along with beta come bug problems as well. I have noticed that Messenger is quick to put a check in remembering you and signing you in automatically even when you opt out not to be signed automatically. I had an incident when I signed in to Windows Live Hotmail (Not Windows Live Mail) and Messenger popped up and signed me in automatically. It is like Messenger cannot retain its sign in settings that you leave it with. When the Windows Messenger opens it cannot retain the size of the windows you want it to. I always have a half size window when it opens, and I have to stretch it down to see all my messenger contacts. When you go to the tools feature and click options to check sounds, it takes the feature a while to come up sometimes. It's like you have to wave your mouse in the sometimes empty sounds box to make it appear. I have noticed a few times when me and a buddy chat, he appears offline when he is supposed to be on. We even did a video chat with him appearing offline. I know in the past both parties have had to be online to do a video chat or any other activities. I don't know if that is how it is supposed to be or if that is a bug. It almost sometimes takes 2 or 3 attempts to make a connection on video chat. There are incidents where you are actually waiting to connect with a buddy on video chat and both your cameras time out and you have to retry the connection again. There is also an issue with trying to play games. You can try to connect to play games but it continues to get stuck and doesn't work. If you appear offline to someone and send them a message, messenger tells you, you can't send that person a message until you appear on line. It gives you an option to appear on line to that person or appear on line to everyone. Once you click appear on line to just that person, you still can't send a message until you close that window you were in with that person and open it again, then you can send a message. I think that might be another bug too. So far that is all the bugs I have noticed.

The features that are on Windows Live Messenger were a much needed improvement. But as I stated above, why do we have to loose features to get features? There are a few features that should have been left with Windows Live Messenger. One of the features that are missing is having the ability to click on tools and click on options and click on Privacy to see who has added you to their buddy list. Now to do Privacy settings for messenger, you are taking to the Windows Live Privacy Platform where there is no setting for Windows Live Messenger alone. When you open a chat window to chat with someone, you cannot see a separation line from their chat and your chat in the box because of the white background. Can we please get a separation line in some kind of color to separate the outgoing and incoming chat? I am missing the option of being able to set my background in chat conversation windows. What happen to that feature? When are we ever going to have consistency when it comes to peoples profile picture showing up in the icon along with their messenger status being updated in the messenger list? Throughout every version of Windows Live Messenger there has never been consistency as far as that area of Messenger. You see blank icons and status messages that are a week to a month old, when your buddy has since updated their status on a daily bases. I thought that with this new version of messenger, if we changed our theme on the Windows Live Homepage Platform, finally messenger would change automatically, and we wouldn't have to change it by it ‘self. I see I was wrong. I also have a suggestion for when you click on a buddy's icon in the buddy list. I see a lot of choices in the drop down menu from sending a message offline to viewing a buddies profile and Facebook profile. What about making a link to view their Windows Live Space Page if they have one? Or is Windows Live Space really on the cutting board? Otherwise everything else that Windows Live Messenger has gained has been a true benefit thus far.

Windows Live Mail - I must say I am truly impressed with Windows Live Mail. It has come a long way since the Wave Essentials begin. There are only 2 complaints I believe Windows Live Mail is experiencing a bug in Spell check. The feature is shaded out and doesn't work. Maybe that is just part of the beta program. The other feature is in the Calendar part of Windows Live Mail. Why do we not have the option to create an event and invite other people to the event like Windows Live Hotmail Calendar? Windows Live Hotmail Calendar gives you the option to create an event, send invites to people by email and confirm rather they will make it to the event. Why can't Windows Live Mail Calendar do the same thing? Windows Live Mail has come a long way and looks good.

Windows Live Writer - Windows Live Writer looks the same. I really can't tell any changes but the fact that you all have moved the draft icon and it is now hidden. That needs to be put back.

Windows Live Movie Maker - I have really never had a desire to use Movie Maker. Knowing it is there whenever I will need it is reassuring.

Windows Live Family Safety - Have no use for it. Knowing it is there when I need it is reassuring.

Windows Live Sync - In the process of trying it.

Staind said,
I've got issue where the messenger keeps disconnecting itself and retrying.

Yeah , what is that about. And I cant for the life of me get Live Mail Beta to run. Well run properly...it opens and hangs

I have a windows 7 ultimate loaded laptop with 8GB RAM.

Ok, downloaded...no problem!

Messenger Beta...is CONSTANTLY freezing. Seriously, when or not I am messenging with someone. random freezes..."Not Responding". Restart, freez...over and over. It ahs to be the Social Network API's!

LIve Mail...for get it. Hard to get it open, and then takes forever to get the mail...I have Outlook 2010, So I dont need it, BUT...it is pretty cool to click on teh new Bing bar to open the Live Mail. WISHED it opened Outlook, OR gave me a choice.

ok...my two cents

FFS all I want to do is talk to friends on Messenger not all this other crap. If I wanted Facebook I'll load a dang browser, if I wanna use Facebook Chat I'll use a third party app.

Talk about bloat-ware and unnecessary crap. Once this version is released and they stop supporting the old version I won't even bother using WLM anymore.

...and thats why they release this crapware as 'Beta' so we test it and complain (bug report) so they can fix it.
the beta tag has lost its truthful meaning!... Most apps we use for daily basics are 'beta' nowadays it sucks!
/back off fanboys

Any idea how to remove the calendar off of the side from Windows Live Mail? I don't use their calendar for anything.

If I remember correctly (unfortunately I couldn't have WLMail Beta which I did like a lot without WL Messenger Beta which I detest), it was in the menu ribbon. There you have some icons depicting areas of your window. Click on them to change position or hide.

It looks like they spent more time on the eye candy than the functionality. You'd think they'd have focused on functionality first then make it look pretty.

I, for one, cannot modify my Messenger's personal message. I click in the area and the text cannot be changed.

Email, clicking here and there just feels extremely lagging... and I have a fast system.
I didn't even bother testing the rest.

I found Messenger very smooth on my PC, nice animations, etc. It feels quicker than the old one. I have experienced some crashes on the slideshow option in Messenger, but it didn't crashed messenger which is very nice. I couldn't load the Movie Maker the first time without getting a hard crash but after a reboot it worked fine. I love the way how Live Gallery identify people! Very accurate.

Alright, here are my two cents.

Setups: I also got the wrong one at first but quickly noticed, cancelled the installation and used the right setup. This was not intuitive. Why not the classic options "full installation" and "custom" in one setup?

WL Mail: I've become very fond of Mail the last year, it's a great program and I do like the addition of the ribbon.

WL Messenger: this is a disaster. Alright, Facebook is what's in today. But come on, there are so many programs that have FB integration. It makes no sense at all to move their core business (chat) to the right of the window with less space than that stupid social pane. I can also tell you that for "normal" users (read: the ones who don't try a few options), it will be very difficult to get rid of the social pane through Compact View.

And I truly hate the dropping of nicknames. Alright, some people had nicknames which were a bit too "colorful" to my taste. I always use something like X | Y, X being my first name - definitely NOT my last - and X being some sort of status message (it's just a tradition from before the status messages were introduced and I notice a lot of people still do it this way).

Also for privacy concerns, it's not intuitive to regular users where to change their nicknames. Why remove this simple but brilliant feature and force people to visit the Live pages? Again, common users will have trouble finding this.

I also think I'll just try to get back to the last non-beta version. I hope none of my mails get lost in the process.

MS Betas usually aren't too bad but this one was like an Alpha, WL Photo Gallery froze and locked my entire computer up..I had to reboot to close it! not to mention it's extremely sluggish on my computer, WL Mail and WL Messenger are not too bad there, although WL Messenger is *too* simple in my honest opinion. They have done good but still have a long way to go before it's ready for prime time.

Messenger seems bugged. I can't see what people are writing to me, they can however see what i write to them.

Trying to uninstall it is also quite impossible. It says i have to select the programs i want to uninstall, but there are no programs on the list

ive gone back to wave 3 and Live mesh till ms fix the messenger crashing and when it doesnt crash for me i have issues sending\recieveing IM messages under wave 3 messenger has no probs at all could messenger plus! cause messenger W4 unstableness ??

Tanshin said,
Not sure what they did with Messenger... it just looks horrible. Plus I had two blue screens while using it.

Tried the single screen view?

SwaggaXL said,

Tried the single screen view?

I honestly haven't been able to try much on there because it caused so many bluescreens.

Tanshin said,
Not sure what they did with Messenger... it just looks horrible. Plus I had two blue screens while using it.

Im the same.... if its just coincedence but 2 blue screens in windows 7 is bad news... back i got untill a more stable beta

Tanshin said,

I honestly haven't been able to try much on there because it caused so many bluescreens.


alot of buffoonery with this Beta, but I still like it, just need 2 actually get to use but...............

Tanshin said,

I honestly haven't been able to try much on there because it caused so many bluescreens.

No bluescreens here (either before or since applying the leak of the SP1 beta) with 7 x64 Ultimate.

Is anyone else having trouble just connecting? Signing-in to the new WLM Beta throws an error saying "We can't sign you in to Windows Live Messenger" with an Error code 8200033. However, on my notebook WLM connects just fine.

Ah, the joys of running Beta software!

Ollie Woods said,
I can't uninstall Bing Bar from Firefox Can disable it but not uninstall. Anyone else got this problem?

Tried removing it completely from the computer (if you don't need it)? It's a separate entry in "Uninstall a program" That's what I did since accidentally took the whole package and didn't want the Bing Bar.

yea msnmsgr.exe processus stays activated after closing WLM.

On one of my computers, when i launch WLM, i got an update O_o

Everything seems to be ok with my install but then I realized the "msnmsgr.exe" Process isn't closing out i had multiple 60 to 80MB processes just setting there. anyone else?

Kickin686 said,
Everything seems to be ok with my install but then I realized the "msnmsgr.exe" Process isn't closing out i had multiple 60 to 80MB processes just setting there. anyone else?

When running, my msnmsgr.exe was at about 120 MB, but once I closed it, it completely disapeared from task manager like it should. Make sure you actually exited Messenger, not simply closed the window.

andrewbares said,

When running, my msnmsgr.exe was at about 120 MB, but once I closed it, it completely disapeared from task manager like it should. Make sure you actually exited Messenger, not simply closed the window.


Nah... I actually tried several methods of closure, they still stayed. I had to kill the processes to get rid of them. I'm Not disappointed though so far my experience hasn't been bad with the suit. Nice beta so far.

Digital-M said,
Is there video message in it? Because I dont have it

i got them, idk if contacts receive them, i don't have friend with this alpha oops beta

bzhdens said,

i got them, idk if contacts receive them, i don't have friend with this alpha oops beta


hmmm strange because mine doesnt have it,maybe my messenger is corrupted or something,cant use video call either

wow this is truly an amazing update! I love the new Messenger, Writer and Movie Maker, Windows Live Mail is awesome too.

Has anyone noticed that the message title font in the message list is larger than in previous versions? And that conservations are merely grouped if they have the same subject but not necessarily the same recipients?

Wasnt able to edit my above post, found out what was causing the added details window, it adds a "people pane" automatically now which covers up the preview pane, horrible default and design IMO, did they go to apple for their designs? Wonder what happens if I just type with my left hand, wonder if it will stop working?

WTF has it added to my MS Outlook (2007) at the bottom now instead of a mail preview I get a page which shows the persons details who sent the message and no way of previewing/reading the message without double clicking it in the Inbox window. I used to have it set up with a preview window underneath so I could read the mail, now as I say it is replaced by a friggin' awful details window with 6 sort of tabs that do not actually seem to do anything.

Also Outlook connector askd me to use my widnows live messenger account or something, but adding my details just kept saying invalid username or password, what a load of crap, and nowhere seemingly to report all this rubbish

Can I uninstall all of this and go back to hwat it was before?

Dessimat0r said,
What happened to the ink support? I use that for drawing to other people all the time.

The new emoticons are horrid by the way.

Setnom said,
Can anyone change colors on the Live Mail window?

That's no longer possible since it's now using the Ribbon.

Setnom said,
Can anyone change colors on the Live Mail window?

only "account" color changes, meaning headlines font color.
it's also shame they didn't use Office 2010 style ribbon (and it actually supports coloring).

х.iso said,

it's also shame they didn't use Office 2010 style ribbon (and it actually supports coloring).

Honestly, I think it's even more a shame, that there is still a divide in Office- and Windows-Widgets...
Just unify the damn thing!
I bet if I read through the UX Style Guide this will be regarded bad...

rev23dev said,
Don't run batch people tagging in photo gallery on a network drive. It's been trying to calculate suggestions for the last 3 hours. hehehe.

Does batch people tagging ever work? I tried it on a set of local pictures, and gave up after waiting for 5 mins. I want stuff to happen NOW!

andrewbares said,

Does batch people tagging ever work? I tried it on a set of local pictures, and gave up after waiting for 5 mins. I want stuff to happen NOW!

Once you tag a few people, then it starts working faster (even with the photos on my homeserver)

batch tagging is freaking awesome! and really pretty impressive.

WLE beta looks and runs beautifully (Mail could use a little work, though). Since the toolbar is no longer necessary for Favorites sync they need to just pitch it out (who the hell still uses toolbars, even in IE?).

One more thing....WHERE THE HELL IS MY NEW HOTMAIL?!?!?!

lordcanti86 said,
One more thing....WHERE THE HELL IS MY NEW HOTMAIL?!?!?!

I've been thinking the same thing...hopefully it'll come soon.

Very very buggy release but I'm sticking with it. the Windows Live team need to get their asses kicked to be honest, I mean seriously they take ages to release the software then when they do it's almost unusable. Yes I know it's beta but surely a beta shouldn't crash every 5 minutes, and also why the hell does photo gallery take up 220mb of ram?!

Yadro said,
This thing is taking ages.
And no custom installation either o.O
yes there is. next to the Download Now link, there is an option to "choose the programs you want"

Well it looks like I'll be sticking with Wave 3 until all the bugs are fixed. My main issue is not being able to change display names. This was one of the features that made MSN great. While I already use my real name as my display name, there are some people who want to keep their real information private and use a nickname instead.

Kevin. said,
Well it looks like I'll be sticking with Wave 3 until all the bugs are fixed. My main issue is not being able to change display names. This was one of the features that made MSN great. While I already use my real name as my display name, there are some people who want to keep their real information private and use a nickname instead.
that's not a bug, it is by design. it sucks, but i can deal with it since i just use my name anyway

I want someone to tell me the timestamp on their messenger.exe digital signature please, mine is ‎Monday, ‎June ‎07.

SwaggaXL said,
I want someone to tell me the timestamp on their messenger.exe digital signature please, mine is ‎Monday, ‎June ‎07.

yeah, it is june 07

I never liked the new WLM and seems my fears it was ruined were justified, I'm keeping well clear of it. That said, still interested in checking out the new WL Mail client though.

Xerxes said,
I never liked the new WLM and seems my fears it was ruined were justified, I'm keeping well clear of it. That said, still interested in checking out the new WL Mail client though.
I ate my own words and gave the new messenger a go, it's actually not bad *shock horror!* it's noticeably more dumbed down but most of the changes I can deal with, just a few features I will miss though. On the other hand the new WL Mail is fantastic! I like that one very much

Xerxes said,
I ate my own words and gave the new messenger a go, it's actually not bad *shock horror!* it's noticeably more dumbed down but most of the changes I can deal with, just a few features I will miss though. On the other hand the new WL Mail is fantastic! I like that one very much

I like the new Live Mail as well, the interface looks like Outlook 2010.

Movie maker is still useless with only WMV output. Get some proper AVI support...

Live Mail looks nice if I minimize the ribbon. It's too busy-looking otherwise.

KSib said,
Movie maker is still useless with only WMV output. Get some proper AVI support...

Live Mail looks nice if I minimize the ribbon. It's too busy-looking otherwise.

They like to push their video technology. Get a proper video making software if you really want to have a choice. This is basically for home users.

KSib said,
Movie maker is still useless with only WMV output. Get some proper AVI support...

Live Mail looks nice if I minimize the ribbon. It's too busy-looking otherwise.

AVI (as a format) dates back to Windows 95, if not Windows 3.x (Windows Media was launched with Windows 95 SR2); yet it hangs on like a Horcrux, refusing to admit that it's dead. Why do you have a problem with the Windows Media formats?

PGHammer said,

AVI (as a format) dates back to Windows 95, if not Windows 3.x (Windows Media was launched with Windows 95 SR2); yet it hangs on like a Horcrux, refusing to admit that it's dead. Why do you have a problem with the Windows Media formats?

Because they aren't as universal as mp4. An mp4 can be put on a Zune, iPod or Android device without issue. It can also be used directly for web video without reconverting.

Can anyone confirm that this still doesn't allow one-way webcam calls and only allows full-on Video Calls? Retarded change if you ask me.

King Mustard said,
Can anyone confirm that this still doesn't allow one-way webcam calls and only allows full-on Video Calls? Retarded change if you ask me.

I cant find the options anywhere so i guess confirmed

Although it includes many interesting features, it seems like they are removing features that many people (including me) loved. If the move from WLM 8.5 to WLM 2009 was difficult, this one is going to be worse. The average user is complaining about all of these "improvements" and you can see that on many blogs.

robert_dll said,
Although it includes many interesting features, it seems like they are removing features that many people (including me) loved. If the move from WLM 8.5 to WLM 2009 was difficult, this one is going to be worse. The average user is complaining about all of these "improvements" and you can see that on many blogs.

Many people forget that this is a BETA, it has bugs, not all the features work correctly yet and i'm sure that some of the features may be dropped or reworked before the final release.

neo158 said,

Many people forget that this is a BETA, it has bugs, not all the features work correctly yet and i'm sure that some of the features may be dropped or reworked before the final release.


It is supposed that at this phase (beta) all the feature removing/adding thing is freezed, and I'm not talking about the bugs, I know it is a beta, I'm talking about the changes.

TechDudeGeorge said,

It isn't for anyone Big Bug

I managed to get it working by removing the connection to facebook through my profile and adding it again.

Complaints:

- They removed the ability to edit profiles within the app. A lot of functionality has been instead moved to web pages on *.live.com.
- They're discontinuing customized names, which people have been using since the beginning. I've already used my first and last name for quite a while, so it doesn't bother me. Perhaps they're doing this to make it easier to merge Messenger's and Facebook's IM together.
- Speaking of Facebook, it's ridiculous how my fan pages are appearing as friends. Why is "AVATAR" a friend? Besides that, you can't hide offline Facebook contacts (and all fan pages are 'offline' contacts -_-).

rm20010 said,
Complaints:

- They removed the ability to edit profiles within the app. A lot of functionality has been instead moved to web pages on *.live.com.
- They're discontinuing customized names, which people have been using since the beginning. I've already used my first and last name for quite a while, so it doesn't bother me. Perhaps they're doing this to make it easier to merge Messenger's and Facebook's IM together.
- Speaking of Facebook, it's ridiculous how my fan pages are appearing as friends. Why is "AVATAR" a friend? Besides that, you can't hide offline Facebook contacts (and all fan pages are 'offline' contacts -_-).


Yea, I just noticed that as well about the fan pages. Also seems they removed the ability to hide offline contacts. Which isn't gonna work for me because that creates a crapload of clutter I have to sort though!

Everyone, please do remember it's a beta. Betas have bugs, it's kind of the point. So try to talk about them sensibly.

its a mess. no facebook chat support, is it me of or did they take away the ability to block ppl? i cannot tell for the life of me... and no more offline messaging??? wtf.

kookyklam said,
its a mess. no facebook chat support, is it me of or did they take away the ability to block ppl? i cannot tell for the life of me... and no more offline messaging??? wtf.

no there is a block, open a chat window with who you want to block and there is an option for appearing offline, + facebook chat is fully working and i don't know how to get offline

Ahmad Fayez said,

no there is a block, open a chat window with who you want to block and there is an option for appearing offline, + facebook chat is fully working and i don't know how to get offline

if you try sending someone a message while being offline, it says no you have to go online with that person first. and facebook chat doesnt work, if you go online to facebook and look, the ppl on facebook chat are not online on wlm. it only appears like its integrated

kookyklam said,
its a mess. no facebook chat support, is it me of or did they take away the ability to block ppl? i cannot tell for the life of me... and no more offline messaging??? wtf.

Facebook chat? What the ****? God dammit with this crap already. :@

mattbonner said,
forces you to use windows live sync instead of live mesh
I can't seem to install wave 4, since it says that I still have Mesh installed even though I uninstalled it. Any other pointers?

To the people complaining about the "full bundle":

It's not that hard to simply navigate to Add/Remove Programs and remove what you don't need. It's slightly inconvenient, but so is Shark's bundle of the Bing bar. All you have to do is remove it after the fact and you're good.

damn it, i was waiting so long and now there is no german beta version...
Strange choice of languages IMO.
But as it seems to be buggy anyway, I'm gonna wait until the final version

I have a beef w/the Windows Live Mail - I can't figure out how to insert any signature other than the "Default" signature - I have others based on different groups I am a member of, and places I work.

I like the new Messenger - makes Facebooking match quicker and easier, and integrated Facebook chat is a very welcome feature! I haven't noticed any visual bugs or freezes like those above.

I can't wait to get back to my home computer to try the new facial recognition in Photo Gallery though...

JonathanMarston said,
I like the new Messenger - makes Facebooking match quicker and easier, and integrated Facebook chat is a very welcome feature! I haven't noticed any visual bugs or freezes like those above.

I can't wait to get back to my home computer to try the new facial recognition in Photo Gallery though...

Integrated facebook chat? What am I missing?

It's great, but... How the **** do I change my nickname?

Also, why did they remove Printscreen -> Paste to send the .jpg to people with older versions?

Ambroos said,
It's great, but... How the **** do I change my nickname?

Also, why did they remove Printscreen -> Paste to send the .jpg to people with older versions?

you now have to sign into the Windows Live website to change that, but after doing that, it will change your name on email aswell. it's ****ing stupid if you ask me

Jimcando said,
Does it display both first and last names to other people in your contact list? Is there anyway to stop it if it does.
yes, it will display what your contacts have set on their Live ID (usually first and last name)

to change it, you have to go into your Live ID address book and change the names there

timster said,
yes, it will display what your contacts have set on their Live ID (usually first and last name)

to change it, you have to go into your Live ID address book and change the names there

That is absolute bull**** if you ask me. If they don't change that I'm sure MANY people will just keep using Wave 3.

Ambroos said,

That is absolute bull**** if you ask me. If they don't change that I'm sure MANY people will just keep using Wave 3.

+++1111111111

- Nor you can edit your commentary. You have to write it all over again. Sucks bad.
- Interface elements link to too much crap online.
But everything is working fine anyway.

Edited by thartist, Jun 25 2010, 1:29am :

So far it works fine for me, not crashing for now. Many good additions and improvements, but also noticed disappointing changes. Where is coloring feature? Where is handwriting option (I'm not talking about text recognition, I used it alot for drawing actually)? And why instead of improving background pictures feature (like make it actually fill whole background, adjust transparency on text area, chose placement mode (fill or tile) and so on), they removed it completely, leaving us with completely blank white-only background? I know that it might end up weird mixing up with scene on top, but also they could use scene to optionally fill the background as well (with transparency).
Sent them feedback about it.

Awesome! LOVE the new animations in this version! Reminds me of the animations from Windows Phone 7 - Which are awesome

timster said,
why no option to change ones display name from within messenger.

They removed it, which is a step in the right direction in my opinion. There may be a way to only show your forename by changing the privacy settings in your Windows Live options on the website, I've not had chance to check. Also, you can use the personal status box for things that a lot of people place in the display name.

Messenger is pretty awful - stuff like changing your name... has to now be done via the Windows Live website? Seriously?

Duality said,
Messenger is pretty awful - stuff like changing your name... has to now be done via the Windows Live website? Seriously?

They have removed the annoying nicknames from Messenger, a positive and professional change. Younger kids won't like this.
There is still the share box to put up personal status', but I already use my own name as my contact list name.

I've also found it odd at first, but it's okay I think, you can get used to it pretty quickly.
Not to mention that those horrible colorful unreadable Plus! names are finally going to disappear...

Andrew Lyle said,

They have removed the annoying nicknames from Messenger, a positive and professional change. Younger kids won't like this.
There is still the share box to put up personal status', but I already use my own name as my contact list name.

I am a teenager and i do like Nicknames in Messenger, but to be honest, I have to agree with you Andrew, i have seen people with ridiculous names in Messenger before and its just so hard to recongise who it is. Id be looking forward to everyone using the new Messenger in FINAL, that would be the real test, actually having a clean looking Contact list which is very easy to understand who is who.

I also agree with you Thrasko, it will get rid of this horrific Plus! colourful names which are just literally horrible! The only reason i installed Plus was so i could see there names correctly...

I have been thinking though, how come the new Wave 4 Messenger still displays the emoticons in the names if its only going to be, First and Last Name? I guess it makes sense keeping it for now so it displays those emoticons correctly for those on Wave 3 and the smileys in there names.

Andrew Lyle said,

They have removed the annoying nicknames from Messenger, a positive and professional change. Younger kids won't like this.
There is still the share box to put up personal status', but I already use my own name as my contact list name.

Me too, but I prefer a shortened form of my first name as opposed to my full name

Also, any way to hide offline contacts?

The display name option is a terrible change, just because I have someone on my list doesn't mean I want said person to know my last name.

In addition, the system can't handle Chinese names, and puts surname and first name in the incorrect order.

Stormeh said,
The display name option is a terrible change, just because I have someone on my list doesn't mean I want said person to know my last name.

In addition, the system can't handle Chinese names, and puts surname and first name in the incorrect order.

+100

SuperKid said,
I am a teenager and i do like Nicknames in Messenger, but to be honest, I have to agree with you Andrew, i have seen people with ridiculous names in Messenger before and its just so hard to recongise who it is. Id be looking forward to everyone using the new Messenger in FINAL, that would be the real test, actually having a clean looking Contact list which is very easy to understand who is who.

Just do what I do already, right click the contact and select "add a nickname" and just enter their real name. It gets rid of the contacts stupid nicknames.

But being forced to use a proper name by default is great as well, long over due in my opinion.

Tried only messenger.
Found some annoying visual bugs (w/ the tabs and status sharing). Well, it's a beta...
Fine product overall.

So far working fine with me, had one live messenger ui corruption issue that was due to me launching Live Mail. Forgot to take screenshot though, have to do it next time it does it. Hate the non-compact view of Messenger, just..not what I want really. Like the compact view and improvements to it. Don't like the fact that you don't have nice list inside settings where you can see your blocked and allowed people

Shaper said,
So far working fine with me, had one live messenger ui corruption issue that was due to me launching Live Mail. Forgot to take screenshot though, have to do it next time it does it. Hate the non-compact view of Messenger, just..not what I want really. Like the compact view and improvements to it. Don't like the fact that you don't have nice list inside settings where you can see your blocked and allowed people

You know, they always removing some "not often used" features like normal thing to do, like it's for the sake of less clutter in settings. But the thing is, there will be always the same clutter anyway so there is no point in removing additional settings imho.

I guess we were used to have BETAs not that buggy (windows 7) .. but still we have to remember it's a BETA! staying on wave 4 definitely !!

Live Messenger is awesome, but buggy as hell
Photo Gallery doesn't even launch, crashes at the splash screen.
Windows Live Mail is great! Working pretty great so far.

Pharos said,
Live Messenger is awesome, but buggy as hell
Photo Gallery doesn't even launch, crashes at the splash screen.
Windows Live Mail is great! Working pretty great so far.

thats wierd, photo grallery doesnt even have a splash screen

neufuse said,

thats wierd, photo grallery doesnt even have a splash screen

That is so weird, everything works just fine for me. I don't like the msgr window, though. I may get used to that.

Calum said,

Huh?

Sorry. But about 100MB for a Messenger?
The installer don't ask to install toolbars.
Big advertisements.
No, sorry. Thats crap.

Why we don't become just a separate .msi installer for all the programs?

"Share something" chat bubble is bugged for me for some reason...
Doesn't respond to any interaction. Too bad, otherwise it looks okay for me.

Thrasko said,
"Share something" chat bubble is bugged for me for some reason...
Doesn't respond to any interaction. Too bad, otherwise it looks okay for me.

same than again its beta, than again its unusable! lol

no there is an option right next to the download button, that says : choose your language or your setup, you can choose what you want

That was my mistake; I got the webd installer. I just figured it would be like the other Web installer where you would still have the option of what to download and install

Demgel said,
Getting 0x80190194 (WaitForCatalog) error on install

Same here.

On Win7 - I did a forced upgrade from RC to RTM on the machine when Win7 went to RTM. Could it be this?

Snagged it. Unfortunately, the beta setup gives you no options for what you want to install; it's all or nothing. It's not too big a deal, but I have never used Messenger, nor ever will. But it still brought the login screen up and then gave me a list of Spam invites that I had to dismiss one by one. Plus, about every five minutes a balloon is popping up saying there are updates to install, but it doesn't seem like it's getting any updates. It's easily dismissible, but still a little odd. Hey, at least I can login to my account from WL Photo Gallery now though!

devHead said,
Snagged it. Unfortunately, the beta setup gives you no options for what you want to install; it's all or nothing. It's not too big a deal, but I have never used Messenger, nor ever will. But it still brought the login screen up and then gave me a list of Spam invites that I had to dismiss one by one. Plus, about every five minutes a balloon is popping up saying there are updates to install, but it doesn't seem like it's getting any updates. It's easily dismissible, but still a little odd. Hey, at least I can login to my account from WL Photo Gallery now though!

If you click the Choose programs to install it gives you a different download that allows you to choose what to install

devHead said,
Snagged it. Unfortunately, the beta setup gives you no options for what you want to install; it's all or nothing. It's not too big a deal, but I have never used Messenger, nor ever will. But it still brought the login screen up and then gave me a list of Spam invites that I had to dismiss one by one. Plus, about every five minutes a balloon is popping up saying there are updates to install, but it doesn't seem like it's getting any updates. It's easily dismissible, but still a little odd. Hey, at least I can login to my account from WL Photo Gallery now though!
On the beta's page there is an option to download the installer that lets you choose which programs you want.

SoLoR1 said,
It does if you download proper version of installer... you need webc installer and NOT webd.

Thanks for the tip! Like devHead, I too do not want Messenger and am primarily just interested in Windows Live Mail.