Windows Live Messenger and Live Suite Wave 3 released (RC)

Microsoft has just made the updated release candidate of the Windows Live Suite wave 3 at download.live.com. Thanks to Sean Bradford for alerting us.

Microsoft has updated the Messenger client to Version 2009 (Build 14.0.8050.1202) as can be seen below from the about Window:

There is no beta tag anywhere on this build as it's a near final build and Messenger plus does work with this build but not all features are usable.

Overall the UI has been enhanced in most areas with minor changes. The main improvements are the integration to Windows 7 with the new jump lists feature.

The sign in has changed slightly

The Windows 7 jump lists:

The toasts that pop up when users sign in have been updated too:

The contact list and IM windows remain largely the same:

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Download the full installer (137MB) and install one of the programs on a XP 32bit PC.

Then browse to C:Program FilesCommon FilesWindows Live.cache and copy all of the .msi files to your XP x64 PC.

Run the required .msi files for the programs you want to install but remember to check which programs are needed by running wlsetup-all.exe on XP 32bit, left click once on the name of the program eg. Mail and look under "Installed with this program".

Run all of the MSI files needed (just once if needed for more than one program) and then run the application, Mail/Messenger.


To uninstall...

Browse to C:WINDOWSInstaller and find the .msi file (select a .msi file and look in the status bar for the .msi file description) for Messenger/Mail (ignore the really tiny file sizes). Right click on the .msi file and click on Un-install.


If Mail doesn't appear to work when you run it make sure you've run Contacts.msi

I've installed new beta of WLM and msgplus but now I don't see colored names. And "blinking" doesn't work when I recieve new msg.

Seems pretty good so far, though having a lot fewer icons in Windows Live Mail is going to take some getting used to. Will these RC builds auto-update to the finals?

Is there a way to change the convo layout so what you type isnt displayed under each other? Its annoying and I like it the older way, like this:

Tree says:
hi
Tree says:
bye
House says:
ok

lol like that. Is there an option to change it back to that?

Can anyone give me a reason behind the bright green glow behind the user picture? I'm asking honestly. Does that mean your online. The UI is decent but i prefer something, simpler and more all inclusive such as Digsby.

Shadow_Theif said,
Can anyone give me a reason behind the bright green glow behind the user picture? I'm asking honestly. Does that mean your online. The UI is decent but i prefer something, simpler and more all inclusive such as Digsby.

Pretty sure it means they are online and available.

Not bad. The new toasts are very nice.

The dividers in the jump list for Windows Live Messenger look tacky. Not sure if this is the app drawing the divider or the OS itself, but it would be better if the ends of the dividers had a subtle fade, just as faded lines are all over the place in the Live applications.

Windows Live Mail still uses a tray icon. I was hoping it would get a jump list (other than recent .eml files opened) and a small indicator on the app's icon for new mail.

The emoticon bug in Messenger has been fixed, finally.

The light flare effect for conversation windows looks jagged when stretched out - compare this to the main contacts window.

The2 said,
oh my god. can it be more bloated??

Why don't you stick this with all the other stoopid "OMG BLOATED" posts, so it can be criticised accordingly.

PhotoShare is very annoying, I'd like to have the previous functionality back (pasting pic into the messenger window automatically sends the pic). Is there some way to restore the feature? Maybe A-Patch once it's out?

gonzo68 said,
nothing for me under vista ultimate 64, connection problem 8100030d all the times

Works here on Vista Ultimate x64 SP1

It works now, it was the damn **** of AVG internet security blocking it... I throw it to the garbage and will find another security solution

gonzo68 said,
It works now, it was the damn **** of AVG internet security blocking it... I throw it to the garbage and will find another security solution


I think that might be the same problem I'm experiencing under XP, It refuses to connect and it gives me the same error message as you, I'm also using AVG Pro. in Windows 7 however it works like a charm.

Waiting for Mess Patch.

Is not just the ads, there are to much things which I like.

Display Picture hide by default

Well and image worth more than a thousand words

Yes, you don't have to show display pictures. Or you can show them at several sizes.

Yes, you can hide the display pictures by default in chat windows. You can hide even more than in that image.

Ok this version needs sorting out on Windows Seven.

I'm not getting a glow on my conversation window when there is a new message, and it seems to like having 2 windows in the Seven preview for the contact list.

Anyone else getting this?

hmm.. Messenger looks fine from the previous build... And subtle UI changes are good (including the new display images :-D)

highonsnow said,
They're positively AWFUL

How so? They look fine to me, and they're just some default suggestions (and some are animated), which is more than it had before.

Browno said,
Same cJr I'm Really Hacked Off!!

I know! Signature sounds was optional too so if somebody didn't like them they could have turned them off! Pfft!

For some reason, the UI needs a lot of tweaks in this version more so than the last version :/

Mainly the fact that every default theme you select becomes pixelated and looks horrible, esecially the 'Tree' scene which looks fantastic and the Windows Live online services. I don't think any of the scenes in Messenger are dynamic either I expected that seeing as though they have some of the same ones as the Windows Live web services.

Finally, the biggest problem with this build: Signature sounds have been taken out :O

Whyyy? That was my favourite feature and a lot of fun You could easily turn them off also if they became annoying

cJr. said,
Mainly the fact that every default theme you select becomes pixelated and looks horrible, esecially the 'Tree' scene which looks fantastic and the Windows Live online services.

I see no pixelation, unless you make the windows ridiculously large. Unless you mean custom headers, in which case - get a high resolution image?

Kirkburn said,
I see no pixelation, unless you make the windows ridiculously large. Unless you mean custom headers, in which case - get a high resolution image?

Yes, I could get my own image, but surely the default images shouldn't be pixelated? Look at the tree theme. Very pixelated. I will be updating the thread about these releases with an example tomorrow.

Other than that though it really is a very good release I love it! Apart from for the fact that they removed the optional signature sounds.

Signature sound? Messenger 8.5 sounds are annoying. This version has a very calming and low audible sounds. For people saying it's a bloatware, they should at least install and check it out first.

Krome said,
Signature sound? Messenger 8.5 sounds are annoying. This version has a very calming and low audible sounds. For people saying it's a bloatware, they should at least install and check it out first.

Signature sounds, when someone signs in they can play a little sound clip to their contacts. Not a very good idea. :

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... As in Slippy Toad from Star Fox.

aaahhh why!!! whyyy... my beloved sounds... my beloved moon man from YTMND sound... PROTEST!!! PETITION!!! AAAAAAAH!!!

Pc_Madness said,
Signature sounds, when someone signs in they can play a little sound clip to their contacts. Not a very good idea. :

You can still add your own audio and assign it to that user. I think you can still do that on this version.

Bloatware, here is another one. I don't think MS was constructive. I think saying that is bloatware is very constructive.

Kirkburn said,
*sigh*, what is bloated about it then?

Absolutely nothing , these 2 must spend too much playing in terminal...

I think all the new MS designs for Live are clean, efficient, modern and good looking.

PsykX said,
I can see that the UI has become bloated to hell, once more. I miss the goold old days of MSN6.

same
i dont get why things have to take so much space on the screen. most people wouldnt need widescreen monitors then :D

i love the minimalist approach which is why i use Miranda instead but i keep an eye on WLM in hopes they go back to simpler UI.

PsykX said,
I can see that the UI has become bloated to hell, once more. I miss the goold old days of MSN6.


bloted to hell? where, the convo windows are a lot cleaner than they used to be, and you can hide everything except for the textboxes with the conversation and the one advertisement

XerXis said,
bloted to hell? where, the convo windows are a lot cleaner than they used to be, and you can hide everything except for the textboxes with the conversation and the one advertisement

Agreed, how is it it bloated? Because it actually has more features? Its' not bloated at all.

sharp65 said,
Agreed, how is it it bloated? Because it actually has more features? Its' not bloated at all.

It's like he's not even using the same program.

Anyway, many of the elements can be hidden, like the top bar and display picture areas of the conversation window.

You can also configure it to use smaller contact list icons (and thus thinner rows) instead of those large ones, if that's a concern.

I'm still seeing the following:

Programs you can download include:
Messenger beta
Mail beta
Writer beta
Photo Gallery beta
Movie Maker beta
Family Safety beta
Toolbar beta

On the download.live.com page - it appears it must only be rolled out for US IPs so far? Where are you all located guys?? I'm in Ireland - no joy with that page yet, still all beta crap still

UK here and fine. Just click on the Download button, then the installer will downloadn and let you choose what to install.

Weird, it doesnt let me connect under XP it gives me error code: "8100030d" We can't sign you in to Windows Live Messenger... I tried deleting my pre-cached info on Messenger and re-entering it, but still nothing, any ideas?

Seems Messenger Plus Live is working (for me at least) albeit with a few features disabled, but as long as tabbed chatting works (which it does) I'm happy. :)


Thankfully the custom emoticons bug is fixed in this build

Drew said,
Seems Messenger Plus Live is working (for me at least) albeit with a few features disabled, but as long as tabbed chatting works (which it does) I'm happy. :)


Thankfully the custom emoticons bug is fixed in this build :D

You won't get new messages alerts when using tabbed chat.

Hmm, guess it's a Win7 bug or a WLM bug but when i launch it in Win7 it shows 2 buttons on the taskbar. ONe for the display picture and one for the window. The icon also doesn't show up in the tray anywhere so to fully close it you gotta go in th task manager (unless it's just my setup)

Hmm - running it in XP SP2 Compatibility mode fixed that (brings up a UAC prompt also)

SHoTTa35 said,
Hmm, guess it's a Win7 bug or a WLM bug but when i launch it in Win7 it shows 2 buttons on the taskbar. ONe for the display picture and one for the window. The icon also doesn't show up in the tray anywhere so to fully close it you gotta go in th task manager (unless it's just my setup)

Hmm - running it in XP SP2 Compatibility mode fixed that (brings up a UAC prompt also)


The tray icon is gone intentionally. If you watch the PDC sessions on the taskbar, in Windows 7 the taskbar entry is where persistent apps like Messenger are to be accessed. To completely exit it, just close the user tile window or right-click on the taskbar entry and click "Close All Windows."

MitchLeBlanc said,
Excellent, looking great. One question though, what is the 'jump list' and where can I find it?

jump lists are in windows 7

I just installed all the apps available for XP using the full installer, which is 134 MB in size; the build number of the installers is 14.0.8050.1202. There are no Beta or RC labels anywhere.

Gus. said,
I just installed all the apps available for XP using the full installer, which is 134 MB in size; the build number of the installers is 14.0.8050.1202. There are no Beta or RC labels anywhere.

An RC is what it implies, a release candidate. So if it stable enough, the same binary will be released as a final version.

Isn't that bull**** MS does to us. Windows Xp x64 is the only OS prioir Vista which can support more then 3Gb of RAM, and they purposely are killing it to force people to go to Vista instead.

Not much has changed... I don't understand who came up with the display pictures having their own frame in a conversation window... takes way too much space (small or large) so I always hide it.


0sm3l said,
Not much has changed... I don't understand who came up with the display pictures having their own frame in a conversation window... takes way too much space (small or large) so I always hide it.

Well, you can make the pictures smaller, or make the window wider.

I can't disagree, it does look odd on tall windows though.

I do disagree, I find it handy (as it shows the status of the person so it's easy to see at a quick glance)

Tall windows? Why chat in tall windows?

I don't think it has, the screenshots haven't changed, I downloaded it and it didn't give me options of upgrading what I already had.

thealexweb said,
I don't think it has, the screenshots haven't changed, I downloaded it and it didn't give me options of upgrading what I already had.

Yes, it has updated. Try refreshing, or waiting a little. You may just be getting the old installer.