Windows Phone 7.8 changelog released

Earlier this week, Nokia announced that it has begun the process of updating its Lumia 610, 710, 800 and 900 smartphones to the new Windows Phone 7.8 OS. Today, Microsoft added the official patch notes for Windows Phone 7.8 on its Update History page.

The page shows that the actual version number for the update is 7.10.8858.136, but Microsoft calls it Windows Phone 7.8 for short. The specific patch notes are:

  • Start. Provides resizable small, medium, and large Live Tiles so you can customize your Start experience in new ways.
  • Accent colors. Expands the number of available accent colors to 20.
  • Lock screen. Improves the lock screen experience with accidental wipe protection features and the Bing image of the day wallpaper.
  • Marketplace and Xbox. Expands Windows Phone Marketplace and Xbox support to new countries and regions.
  • Fonts. Enhances the Chinese font and improves the appearance of Arabic and other languages.
  • Other improvements. Includes many other improvements to Windows Phone.

The update has just started to be put in place on various wireless carriers so it may be some time before your device gets the software; Nokia's new Lumia 510 smartphone will already have Windows Phone 7.8 installed out of the box. Samsung has indicated that all of its Windows Phone 7 devices will also get the 7.8 upgrade.

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While I'm glad its finally landed, I've been completely put off by the handling of WP updates from day one and this one is just the worst example of that. It ignores lots of smaller issues that could have been easily addressed if they wouldn't have pulled another do-over with WP8, which is a downgrade from WP7 in its current state.

Kind of disappointed with this update but I guess it was to be expected. They want people to buy new devices. Still doesn't constitute such major version jump in my opinion just for an updated start screen and couple new accent colors. The rest of the updates are so minor that they don't constitute even a 0.0X version bump...

This is a really nice update for an already nice OS (WP8 is even better, but that is another thing).

As a side note: I really can't understand the people who say that nobody uses or wants Windows Phone. True, WP has a few percent market share at best, but what people seem to not realise is that this translates to MILLIONS of people...

one more thing.. I think the new SDK supports larger tiles for apps..

now its time for the developers to give us a good large app tile too!!.. on 7.8.. It will be pretty much the same as WP8!!!

lets see..

Just to remind people that are upset by the update. You bought WP7 or WP7.5 on your device, and have gotten a lot of updates that you and everyone else was not expecting.

Because Microsoft did make a 'large' leap in device capabilities and OS features for WP8 that are still barely used to keep parity with your device, would you have been happier if Microsoft just shelved the WP8 update because your hardware could not handle it, and released it later next year or just never made the jump to the ARM version of NT?

It is like buying a Corvette in 2012, you knew what you were buying, and sure the new Corvette is sexy, but to get it, you will have to trade off your 2012 Corvette or have the money to buy it in addition to your existing Corvette.

Would you argue that GM should not have updated the Corvette's technology as well?

This is a minor update in the lifecycle of WP, and Microsoft has been overly responsible by NOT jumping too far ahead with functionality or features of WP8, keeping parity with the WP7 devices. With the ARM version of NT, they could have literally changed the entire focus of WP8, which is planned, but will happen transitionally, around the point when WP7 devices are no longer being sold, just as Apple did with the earlier iPhones.

thenetavenger said,
Just to remind people that are upset by the update. You bought WP7 or WP7.5 on your device, and have gotten a lot of updates that you and everyone else was not expecting.

Because Microsoft did make a 'large' leap in device capabilities and OS features for WP8 that are still barely used to keep parity with your device, would you have been happier if Microsoft just shelved the WP8 update because your hardware could not handle it, and released it later next year or just never made the jump to the ARM version of NT?

It is like buying a Corvette in 2012, you knew what you were buying, and sure the new Corvette is sexy, but to get it, you will have to trade off your 2012 Corvette or have the money to buy it in addition to your existing Corvette.

Would you argue that GM should not have updated the Corvette's technology as well?

This is a minor update in the lifecycle of WP, and Microsoft has been overly responsible by NOT jumping too far ahead with functionality or features of WP8, keeping parity with the WP7 devices. With the ARM version of NT, they could have literally changed the entire focus of WP8, which is planned, but will happen transitionally, around the point when WP7 devices are no longer being sold, just as Apple did with the earlier iPhones.

Great analogy but the only problem is that all Nexus phones for instance have seen generations of new OS updates, iPhones have also seen generations of OS updates while my Lumia 800 that came with WP7.5 has only seen a minor update. So from judging how other manufacturers have done, it is kind of normal for people to have expected a little more from their Windows Phone devices. Cars have a lot more static parts than a smartphone that for the most part has a screen that displays what the software tells it to.

That being said, with such a new platform, I understand the need for more radical revamp of the underlying hardware thus making it incompatible with current generation devices. Still would have hoped for a little more than just an updated start screen.

I hate these kinds of changelogs:

Other improvements. Includes many other improvements

What the hell's the point in even having a changelog if you just have Changelog: things changed. and not explain what they are.

.Neo said,
What a joke of an update. Glad I dumped my Nokia Lumia 900 the second I got the chance.

What else did you want? Support for it is winding down.

You bought a WP7.5 phone..... knowing it was a WP7.5 phone.... now you biatch that this WP7.8 update that you knew NOTHING about took too long ?

A prime example of the meaning of trolls,

Just proves, You can not fix stupid.

I was quite gutted when I noticed there was no custom notifications on the lock screen (Facebook etc), and IIRC there was an updated keyboard on WP8, which isn't on 7.8, in fact there's a whole lot they could have put in 7.8 that never made it... Oh well, we're not getting it, no point in moaning. At least the new home screen is a lot better.

Thanks for not killing yourself over that like other whiners are. It was a nice gesture on their part to provide anything at all, while they finally found their calling with WP8 and the Windows 8 kernel. It'll only get better from there, and with most people's contracts ending in soon (or at least in the coming months), it'll be a great time to update the next round of WP8 devices they'll be announcing soon (at least based on rumours on the Nokia event hehe).

As nice as the new start screen is, I find it slower than 7.5 (Lumia 710), response of tapping an app to it actually moving to opening that app is noticeably slower, plus scrolling up and down the homescreen is juddery when you first wake the phone, vs near perfect with 7.5

Not bad enough to revert to 7.5, but I hope they address things like this in future updates, it makes me wonder if that single core does truly struggle with a full screen of live tiles

My wife's 710 isn't experiencing any sort of the lag that you're describing, seems just as fast as 7.5. Couldn't say if it was something done on her firmware though, it's a custom 7.8 ROM (unlocked, root tools, homebrew, etc.)

It just seems to stick for a few swipes once you unlock it / wake it up, once its fully awake its no bother, 7.5 seemed to wake up fully instantly, I tried a few custom ROMs but theres nothing more I want from stock really

Did you update through Zune (or NCS) or through the unofficial custom way (send cab files to the device)?

Apparently (or at least for the 800) there was an OEM update for Nokia phones that improves performance and if you used the cab sender method you wouldn't get that.

Neither, I waited until Nokia had their UK Country Variant on their servers, then used a tool from XDA to flash my phone, so basically a clean flash, im not keen on normal updates, last one I tried left my camera crippled and I had to clean flash anyway

downloader.exe - it flashes your phone without forcing you to call MS for your live account activation

Hmm. I would try using Nokia Care Suite (google it) and flashing your phone that way (via the refurbish method). You can google the instructions or PM me and I'll walk you through it.

Not sure why you have to call MS though, that seems quite odd

I've always had that brief bit of lag after an OS update. It has gone away after a day and a reboot for me very consistently. Although, I haven't applied 7.8 yet, and since 7.5 is working nearly perfectly for me, I'm not really sure I want to...

I too noticed that. When you tap an app.. it takes a little while longer to run the animation. But I think its just to make sure the app gets time to set. It must be a change made voluntarily and not a performance problem because otherwise my startscreen is lagging less than it did before.. Omnia 7 here. I have almost 40 tiles now.. And its buttery smooth when I swipe through them. Try Hardreset .. it makes a lot of difference.

I have unbranded Samsung Focus and still no Windows Phone 7.8, tried Zune trick but still no luck. Why Microsoft does not release updates for all devices simultaneously. First they ditched early adopters on WP8, then they are giving priority on updates for Nokia which was very late to join them thus again hard luck for early adopters

If it makes you feel better, I have an HTC Surround that got the update almost right away, while my Boss who has a Lumia 900 is still waiting.

I'm sure there are a few reasons why not everyone is getting the update at the same time, from server load to carrier competency

Active-X said,
I have unbranded Samsung Focus and still no Windows Phone 7.8, tried Zune trick but still no luck.

What j2006 said.
Also, turn off the "use wifi/cellular to check for updates", or put phone in airplane mode when doing the update trick

oh great, no one comments about the inability to upgrade to WP8 while they complain that Android is fragmented and only gets small updates and very late. WP doesn't offer many of the apps average users use. What's the point of having a great and intuitive OS if it's half as useful as others.

EDIT: Oh and on top of that you can't port WP8 to your WP7 either because of the ****** closed source.

Atleast Apple still provides updates for the Iphone 3GS

I'm curious, what are all those apps that average users use that don't exist on WP?

My wife, her dad and me all have windows phones, and every single app they want is available. The only one that isn't is Tivo.

Nobody complained about not being able to upgrade devices from WP7 to WP8? Could you give me the address of that rock you have been living under?

Okay let's see....
Gmail
Youtube
Instagram
Wells Fargo
Popular games such as Temple Run, etc that I can get on my iPhone.... and the list goes on.

Sure not everybody needs them, but you can't expect mainstream people to buy your product when you don't cater to their interests. And yes, Gmail, Youtube, and my bank are big ones especially.

I was interested in a Windows Phone until I found that none of those applications are offered. Also, my college recommends an iPhone or Android as we have applications for those (blackboard app). I don't see any small business also developing for WP either.

onionjuice said,
oh great, no one comments about the inability to upgrade to WP8 while they complain that Android is fragmented and only gets small updates and very late. WP doesn't offer many of the apps average users use. What's the point of having a great and intuitive OS if it's half as useful as others.

EDIT: Oh and on top of that you can't port WP8 to your WP7 either because of the ****** closed source.

Atleast Apple still provides updates for the Iphone 3GS

I pity clueless trolls like you....

nohone said,
Nobody complained about not being able to upgrade devices from WP7 to WP8? Could you give me the address of that rock you have been living under?

people have been ranting since the birth of Neowin that android is a p.o.s and is fragmented, etc. That's their reason to why Android is bad. Now what guarantee is there that Microsoft will continue to update their WP8 devices beyond say WP8.8. And also look how long this update took to come out. If I've followed correctly, this is only the 2nd major update to Windows phone 7 since its launch.

Toysoldier said,

I pity clueless trolls like you....

oh typical ignorant wp fanboy, please go back to using your Windows Phone.

This message is NOT sent from my HTC Radar which is practically useless now.

onionjuice said,

Now what guarantee is there that Microsoft will continue to update their WP8 devices beyond say WP8.8.

WP7 uses the CE kernel.
WP8 uses the modified NT kernel, The NT kernel is the way forward for WP and MSFT is not going to just throw that away.

Gmail
Youtube
Instagram
Wells Fargo
Popular games such as Temple Run, etc that I can get on my iPhone.... and the list goes on.

- Gmail exists. It's called the mail app.
- Youtube exists. HTC has their own app, there's metrotube, there's supertube and so on.
- Instagram eixsts. It's called WPGram, Instacam and Metrogram.
- Wells Fargo. Doesn't exist yet but WF have said they're working on it.
- Popular games. Well popular varies, but fair enough there are games that are missing.

If I've followed correctly, this is only the 2nd major update to Windows phone 7 since its launch.

Nodo, Mango, Tango, and 7.8 were the major ones. And there were like 2-4+ other smaller updates in between those (varies by phone model).

onionjuice said,

people have been ranting since the birth of Neowin that android is a p.o.s and is fragmented, etc. That's their reason to why Android is bad. Now what guarantee is there that Microsoft will continue to update their WP8 devices beyond say WP8.8. And also look how long this update took to come out. If I've followed correctly, this is only the 2nd major update to Windows phone 7 since its launch.

People have been ranting and raving that they could not upgrade their WP7 devices to WP8. It did not make a difference to me because I got my WP7 the day it was released, and by the time that WP8 released I was eligible for an upgrade, but there were people that were furious about it. Any claims otherwise are a flat out lie.

The complaints about Android are that device manufactures and Google promised those old 2.6 devices would be able to be upgraded. I was one of them, and it never happened. Even Google's own Motorola division said "oops, we lied, but we will give you a discount on your next Moto device." Software that runs on 2.6 does not run on newer versions, software that runs on one device is not guaranteed to run on another device with the same version of Android, and so on.

Software built for WP7 runs on WP8; there have been a very few exceptions but they are being fixed. An example of this was the Chase software (see, my bank actually puts out software and cares for their customers, maybe it is because you use WF) where on WP8 when you take a picture of a check for a deposit it would also save a copy to the picture album. This was not broken functionality, but a potential security hole.

As for GMail and Youtube - so you are whining that people talk poorly about poor support from Android (owned by Google), but when Google purposely does not allow using the Youtube APIs on WP so that Google can reduce the amount of competition, that is Microsoft's fault? Microsoft was sued for that kind of thing, for Google it is a way of life.

I was interested in a Windows Phone

Yea, sure you were. The person who is whining and complaining about how poor Android is talked about was going to pick a WP until he found out that he couldn't take crap pictures with Instagram, and then it was all over.

-Razorfold said,

- Gmail exists. It's called the mail app.
- Youtube exists. HTC has their own app, there's metrotube, there's supertube and so on.
- Instagram eixsts. It's called WPGram, Instacam and Metrogram.
- Wells Fargo. Doesn't exist yet but WF have said they're working on it.
- Popular games. Well popular varies, but fair enough there are games that are missing.

Nodo, Mango, Tango, and 7.8 were the major ones. And there were like 2-4+ other smaller updates in between those (varies by phone model).

- the mail app for windows 8 lags and its nowhere as intuitive as my gmail app on my sgs1.
- same goes for metro tube. I'd rather use the mobile version instead, also the HTC youtube app keeps breaking every month or so and doesn't load videos.
- fair enough, I don't use instagram so I dont know
- ...
- ...
With all these problems there is no real comparison between WP and iOS/Android.

oh, alright.. well enjoy your last update then. Should have sold my ****ty Radar when I had the chance.

- the mail app for windows 8 lags and its nowhere as intuitive as my gmail app on my sgs1.

I thought we were talking about WP7 here, not Windows 8. The mail app on WP7 doesn't lag.

- same goes for metro tube. I'd rather use the mobile version instead, also the HTC youtube app keeps breaking every month or so and doesn't load videos.

Oh please metrotube lags? I have an HD7 and metrotube is nothing but smooth, ever since it was released. Can't say about the HTC app since I've never used it, just know that it exists.

onionjuice said,

people have been ranting since the birth of Neowin

Oh, and BTW, I have been visiting Neowin since 2004 (April fools day 2004, to be exact after reading a joke about it and another site merging), and they have been around for years before that. Android was released in 2008, so now we have proof that you are prone to over exaggeration.

[quote]
The complaints about Android are that device manufactures and Google promised those old 2.6 devices would be able to be upgraded. I was one of them, and it never happened. Even Google's own Motorola division said "oops, we lied, but we will give you a discount on your next Moto device." Software that runs on 2.6 does not run on newer versions, software that runs on one device is not guaranteed to run on another device with the same version of Android, and so on.
[/quote]

I lol'd so hard. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about do you? There is no Android 2.6 so no **** Google didn't promise an upgrade to that.

[quote]Software built for WP7 runs on WP8; there have been a very few exceptions but they are being fixed. An example of this was the Chase software (see, my bank actually puts out software and cares for their customers, maybe it is because you use WF) where on WP8 when you take a picture of a check for a deposit it would also save a copy to the picture album. This was not broken functionality, but a potential security hole.[/quote]
No thanks, Wells Fargo has an app for Android and I can do the exact thing you told me on my Android.

And that's exactly my point. Windows Phone doesn't have apps for one of the major banks in the US.

[quote]As for GMail and Youtube - so you are whining that people talk poorly about poor support from Android (owned by Google), but when Google purposely does not allow using the Youtube APIs on WP so that Google can reduce the amount of competition, that is Microsoft's fault? Microsoft was sued for that kind of thing, for Google it is a way of life.[/quote]
That's the consumer's problem? Well no wonder no one uses WP.

[QUOTE]Yea, sure you were. The person who is whining and complaining about how poor Android is talked about was going to pick a WP until he found out that he couldn't take crap pictures with Instagram, and then it was all over. [/quote]
Lol? I have a WP phone already. It's just a pile of crap that I can't use. I can't even use it to check my school stuff because our IT dept doesn't make apps for WP nor do websites work properly in WP (its flash based) so what's the point of a WP smartphone.

onionjuice said,
This message is NOT sent from my HTC Radar which is practically useless now.

How is your phone practically useless now? It still works just as you got it. The only way it becomes useless is from user or manufacturer error.

tylerwoodward said,
Yeah but WPGram, Instacam, and Metrogram none of them allow you to upload pictures because Instagram doesn't allow it in the third party APIs.

That's Instagram's issue.

-Razorfold said,

I thought we were talking about WP7 here, not Windows 8. The mail app on WP7 doesn't lag.


Oh please metrotube lags? I have an HD7 and metrotube is nothing but smooth, ever since it was released. Can't say about the HTC app since I've never used it, just know that it exists.

it does not lag. It does not WORK at times. Videos don't load on it. Then 2 weeks later it works again. It's happened multiple times to me. The app isn't reliable at all.

j2006 said,

That's Instagram's issue.

This is exactly my point. This is why no one wants a WP. It's not Instagram's issue if it works on other phones and not just on WP.

onionjuice said,

- the mail app for windows 8 lags and its nowhere as intuitive as my gmail app on my sgs1.
- same goes for metro tube. I'd rather use the mobile version instead, also the HTC youtube app keeps breaking every month or so and doesn't load videos.
- fair enough, I don't use instagram so I dont know
- ...
- ...
With all these problems there is no real comparison between WP and iOS/Android.

oh, alright.. well enjoy your last update then. Should have sold my ****ty Radar when I had the chance.

Wait a second, earlier you wrote

I was interested in a Windows Phone

now you write

Should have sold my ****ty Radar when I had the chance

So you were thinking of getting a WP, but you got an iPhone instead, but now you claim you have a Radar and you should have sold it to get an [fill in the blank]? Not only that, but you claim

the mail app for windows 8 lags

How do you know the mail app lags (it doesn't, but for sake of argument let's suppose it does)? How would you know this exactly, because you claim to have a Radar, but the Radar was the first WP with Mango (7.5) which can only be upgraded to 7.8. But you specifically said WP8 lags (it doesn't) but you only had a WP7.5.

I think you have a very active imagination. Do you have an WP Radar, iPhone, or the Android that you seem to want to defend?

Well, with youtube and gmail, even google maps and google earth, the problem isnt Microsoft, is Google. You can go ahead and blame them for that. Microsoft has stated that they want a good native experience on WP for those apps, but Google are dicks about that. Instagram is the same, blame the developers.

Its kind of a catch 22. The platform isnt popular because it doesnt have the popular apps, but it doesnt have the popular apps because the platform isnt popular. Hardly WP's fault.

I do like it, and im doing my part in helping the platform take off.

Mr.Ed

it does not lag. It does not WORK at times. Videos don't load on it. Then 2 weeks later it works again. It's happened multiple times to me. The app isn't reliable at all.

Oh that. Sadly that isn't MS' fault and there isn't anything they can do about it.

Google are being giant dicks and purposely blocking / changing the APIs so Windows Phones don't get the same access that Android does. So everytime this happens, Lazy worm apps (the creators of Metrotube) have to recode the app to get it to work. It's pathetic and it should be illegal, but since it's Google nobody cares.

Remember when Microsoft made their own version of HTML and blocked out other browsers? Remember how ****ed everyone got and how many antitrust lawsuits MS had? Google is doing the exact same thing here and nobody cares.

onionjuice said,

- the mail app for windows 8 lags and its nowhere as intuitive as my gmail app on my sgs1.
- same goes for metro tube. I'd rather use the mobile version instead, also the HTC youtube app keeps breaking every month or so and doesn't load videos.
- fair enough, I don't use instagram so I dont know
- ...
- ...
With all these problems there is no real comparison between WP and iOS/Android.

oh, alright.. well enjoy your last update then. Should have sold my ****ty Radar when I had the chance.


- The Mail on WP8 is not the same as Win8 - and what lag are you talking about? It's buttery smooth on all the Win7.5 and Win8 phones I've tried.
- The YouTube mobile site works just fine for loading HTML5 video, so does MetroTube and YouTube+.... if yours is laggy then you need to get your phone checked, because there's no lag with any WP I've seen. Plus if you've tried YouTube on Android devices it's nothing but laggy.
- All your issues are not really 'issues' with WP, but with App providers or HTC - there are other better WP devices available (including those from HTC). So you need to get your facts straight.

Also regarding the upgrade to WP8.... it's better they did the cut off now than later while they are still building a customerbase. Be thankful you at least are getting the 7.8 update, whereas with Android you wouldn't. If you're on a contract, it'll most likely be up in the coming months anyway, so you might as well get on WP8, which will be ensure upgradability for a very long time now that it uses the Windows 8 kernel.

[quote=nohone said,]

Wait a second, earlier you wrote

now you write

So you were thinking of getting a WP, but you got an iPhone instead, but now you claim you have a Radar and you should have sold it to get an [fill in the blank]? Not only that, but you claim
[QUOTE]
Ok I don't know if you are just poor at understanding english or are just stupid, but I never said I got an iphone nor did I say I sold anything. Why don't you re-read what I wrote.


How do you know the mail app lags (it doesn't, but for sake of argument let's suppose it does)? How would you know this exactly, because you claim to have a Radar, but the Radar was the first WP with Mango (7.5) which can only be upgraded to 7.8. But you specifically said WP8 lags (it doesn't) but you only had a WP7.5.

I think you have a very active imagination.

I didn't say WP8 lags and yes, I don't even own a WP8 device, also It was a typo I mis typed Windows 8 Mail app (not WP*8) And the WINDOWS 8 Mail app also lags.

onionjuice said,

- the mail app for windows 8 lags and its nowhere as intuitive as my gmail app on my sgs1.

Why are you talking about Windows 8?

You don't even have the excuse that you forgot the word "Phone" because the topic isn't Windows Phone 8 either.

[quote=j2006 said,]
- The Mail on WP8 is not the same as Win8 - and what lag are you talking about? It's buttery smooth on all the Win7.5 and Win8 phones I've tried.
- The YouTube mobile site works just fine for loading HTML5 video, so does MetroTube and YouTube+.... if yours is laggy then you need to get your phone checked, because there's no lag with any WP I've seen. Plus if you've tried YouTube on Android devices it's nothing but laggy.
- All your issues are not really 'issues' with WP, but with App providers or HTC - there are other better WP devices available (including those from HTC). So you need to get your facts straight.[QUOTE]

I didn't mean WP8 I meant WP7,
And yes, that's exactly what I said using the mobile version of youtube is a whole lot better than using any of those apps in market place
And the issues with the app providers are also MS's fault you know. I can't use the smartphone to it's full potential because of these problems
and yes with android I can atleast go to xda and get custom roms and CM/MIUI. For my Galaxy S1 (4g) I'm running Jellybean 4.2 on it. I can't do that to Windows Phone.

I might buy a WP maybe when it becomes popular enough that more developers write apps for it. I Prefer it to android with the ui and everything, but it lacks the functionality I need atm.

rfirth said,

Why are you talking about Windows 8?

You don't even have the excuse that you forgot the word "Phone" because the topic isn't Windows Phone 8 either.

?
I told you already I mis typed it because I'm having the same issue with the Metro Mail app. When I actually meant to talk about WP7. So I typed Windows 8 instead...

[quote=onionjuice said,]

Ok I don't know if you are just poor at understanding english or are just stupid, but I never said I got an iphone nor did I say I sold anything. Why don't you re-read what I wrote.


How do you know the mail app lags (it doesn't, but for sake of argument let's suppose it does)? How would you know this exactly, because you claim to have a Radar, but the Radar was the first WP with Mango (7.5) which can only be upgraded to 7.8. But you specifically said WP8 lags (it doesn't) but you only had a WP7.5.

I think you have a very active imagination.[/quote]

I didn't say WP8 lags and yes, I don't even own a WP8 device, also It was a typo I mis typed Windows 8 Mail app (not WP*8) And the WINDOWS 8 Mail app also lags.[/quote]

I like waffles because they have oil changes every 6000 miles.

(We are discussing Windows Phone and you start writing about the Win8 mail app, so I thought I would throw in my own two unrelated items)

I think we just caught you in a lie, and now you are going back to patch up your story. Why would you pick the HTC Radar? That was one of the least popular Windows Phones (me, the WP fan, forgot about that one and I needed to look it up) and yet you specifically wrote

[quote]oh, alright.. well enjoy your last update then. Should have sold my ****ty Radar when I had the chance.[/quote]

then you wrote (before editing your words)
[quote]This message is sent from my HTC Radar[/quote]

You wouldn't write that you should have sold something you never had, and there is no way you could blame that on a typo because you can't change it to "Should have sold my ****ty Radar that I never had when I had the chance"

Sorry, your story is 1 + 1 = 3 (doesn't add up)


(BTW, it appears Neowin is messing up quotes again)

lol dude, I never said I Sent this message from my HTC Radar then edit it. I said I'm not sending it from my radar because its so darn useless right now.

Man you are some fanboy that just can't accept the facts.

onionjuice said,
lol dude, I never said I Sent this message from my HTC Radar then edit it. I said I'm not sending it from my radar because its so darn useless right now.

Man you are some fanboy that just can't accept the facts.

Yes we can accept the facts, you however have not given us any "facts", in other words you are full of ****, you don't even know how to use your HTC Radar, are you even aware you need to swipe up to unlock it?

onionjuice said,
lol dude, I never said I Sent this message from my HTC Radar then edit it. I said I'm not sending it from my radar because its so darn useless right now.

Man you are some fanboy that just can't accept the facts.

I have no clue what the facts are because you keep changing them. You specifically said:

oh, alright.. well enjoy your last update then. Should have sold my ****ty Radar when I had the chance.

That is an exact quote. There is no combination of words that you can interject into that and claim it is a typo.

Now you are saying that you do have a Radar,

I said I'm not sending it from my radar because its so darn useless right now.

But before you said you don't have one:

I was interested in a Windows Phone until I found that none of those applications are offered

Just like you said you do have an iPhone:

Popular games such as Temple Run, etc that I can get on my iPhone.... and the list goes on.

But then said you don't have an iPhone:

Ok I don't know if you are just poor at understanding english or are just stupid, but I never said I got an iphone nor did I say I sold anything.

I think what happened is you were specifically trying to troll and make it sound like you have a WP and were upset because you couldn't upgrade it. But you were caught because you couldn't keep the story straight. Now that you were caught, blame it on the Win8 mail program, blame it on fanboys, blame it on others not being able to keep track of your changing "facts," blame it on the Windows Phone Radar that you don't have. Blame it on everyone else, but yourself for getting caught.


Edit: You can't even keep your complaints right. First you complain that instagram is not available for WP, and that is why you don't use it, then you write:

fair enough, I don't use instagram so I dont know

Edited by nohone, Jan 31 2013, 11:39pm :

onionjuice said,
Atleast Apple still provides updates for the Iphone 3GS

But not the ipod touch 3g... Makes perfect sense that.

onionjuice said,

- the mail app for windows 8 lags and its nowhere as intuitive as my gmail app on my sgs1.
.


It lags?!?! ROFL. Not that the rest of your posts WEREN'T nonsense, but that clinches it. You are the most clueless person on Neowin. Congrats!

onionjuice said,

people have been ranting since the birth of Neowin that android is a p.o.s and is fragmented, etc. That's their reason to why Android is bad. Now what guarantee is there that Microsoft will continue to update their WP8 devices beyond say WP8.8. And also look how long this update took to come out. If I've followed correctly, this is only the 2nd major update to Windows phone 7 since its launch.

Android didn't exist in 2000.

onionjuice said,
oh great, no one comments about the inability to upgrade to WP8 while they complain that Android is fragmented and only gets small updates and very late. WP doesn't offer many of the apps average users use. What's the point of having a great and intuitive OS if it's half as useful as others.

EDIT: Oh and on top of that you can't port WP8 to your WP7 either because of the ****** closed source.

Atleast Apple still provides updates for the Iphone 3GS

You do not understand Android fragmentation if you think it is just a simple break in version/upgrade.

Seriously, Android's fragmentation is multi-layered, and I suggest you do a bit of reading before having this tantrum in the future.

M_Lyons10 said,

It lags?!?! ROFL. Not that the rest of your posts WEREN'T nonsense, but that clinches it. You are the most clueless person on Neowin. Congrats!

My bad, I don't live in an alternate reality along with fanboys like you where everyone uses WP and rage if anything negative is expressed about it. Because WP cannot possibly lag can it? How is that possible?? You can continue to live in your world all you want. There's no point in replying to ignorant people like you anymore. Peace.

Oh dear lord, and the fan boys wonder why only 3 people use WP. Er.. I mean 3%.

thenetavenger said,

You do not understand Android fragmentation if you think it is just a simple break in version/upgrade.

Seriously, Android's fragmentation is multi-layered, and I suggest you do a bit of reading before having this tantrum in the future.

It actually is just version/upgrade. The only problem is the custom ROMS that manufactures make and skin the OS, so it's the exact same thing as WP's fragmentation only in a smaller scale because WP doesn't update as often as Android does.

Also we'll see how long the non Lumia phones keep getting updates for Windows. My bet's not much more than 1 year.

My bet's not much more than 1 year.

The first gen devices from HTC, LG and Samsung have all gotten 7.8. That's over 2 years of updates from both Microsoft and the ODMs themselves (HTC driver updates etc).

onionjuice said,

so it's the exact same thing as WP's fragmentation only in a smaller scale because WP doesn't update as often as Android does.

Wow I have to agree with thenetavenger, you have no bloody idea about Android fragmentation.

How about Office?

And Android is NOT fragmented. Here in China over 95% of all Android phoines run 2.3. And all apps on the appstore run on 2.3. Then again, what's the point of having upgrades if the apps don't take advantage of the new features? This is a boondoggle.

onionjuice said,

My bad, I don't live in an alternate reality along with fanboys like you where everyone uses WP and rage if anything negative is expressed about it. Because WP cannot possibly lag can it? How is that possible?? You can continue to live in your world all you want. There's no point in replying to ignorant people like you anymore. Peace.

Oh dear lord, and the fan boys wonder why only 3 people use WP. Er.. I mean 3%.

So you say you do have a Windows Phone, then you do not have a Windows Phone. You do have an iPhone, but you do not have an iPhone. You didn't get a Windows Phone because of Instagram, but you did get a Windows Phone because you don't use Instagram.

All we are trying to do is figure out your story, but we are "raging fanboys" because you cannot settle on one story. Then you make personal attacks, and say:

There's no point in replying to ignorant people like you anymore. Peace.

And in keeping to form, changing you story again a few seconds later you reply to us "ignorant people" who are keeping the Windows Phone at 3% marketshare (actually, it is higher). Of course, I am not sure if you are part of that "3%" or not, it all depends on the story you are using right now if you do or do not have a Windows Phone.

onionjuice said,

- the mail app for windows 8 lags and its nowhere as intuitive as my gmail app on my sgs1.
- same goes for metro tube. I'd rather use the mobile version instead, also the HTC youtube app keeps breaking every month or so and doesn't load videos.
- fair enough, I don't use instagram so I dont know
- ...
- ...
With all these problems there is no real comparison between WP and iOS/Android.

oh, alright.. well enjoy your last update then. Should have sold my ****ty Radar when I had the chance.


Pfft classic bashing windows phone... i bet you've never even used metrotube and the mail app is fine and never lags... i hope your happy with your android P.O.S

onionjuice said,

It actually is just version/upgrade. The only problem is the custom ROMS that manufactures make and skin the OS, so it's the exact same thing as WP's fragmentation only in a smaller scale because WP doesn't update as often as Android does.

Google didn't provide OTA updates to Android until after MSFT was lauded for having successfully conducted worldwide WP7 to WP7.5 updates *for free*.

Major Plonquer said,

And Android is NOT fragmented. Here in China over 95% of all Android phoines run 2.3. And all apps on the appstore run on 2.3. Then again, what's the point of having upgrades if the apps don't take advantage of the new features? This is a boondoggle.

The Android world is so fragmented it's unbelievable. 2.4 (ICS) is the latest yet you're talking about 2.3 (Gingerbread), and it's uncertain why the leap to 4.x (ICS) even happened when 2.x was being gradually upgraded over the previous cycle. And every carrier and manufacturer is responsible for their Android deployments... so even 2 phones from the same manufacturer and carrier may use different Android builds which make them a hassle to maintain separately.

But, hey, it's based off Java... so it must be good.

onionjuice said,

people have been ranting since the birth of Neowin that android is a p.o.s and is fragmented, etc. That's their reason to why Android is bad. Now what guarantee is there that Microsoft will continue to update their WP8 devices beyond say WP8.8. And also look how long this update took to come out. If I've followed correctly, this is only the 2nd major update to Windows phone 7 since its launch.


well see, you have the actual reason that WP8 cant be upgraded to on older hardware. Unless you just want to ignore the very valid reason of a major architecture change and complete rewrite of the kernel (same as windows 8/server 2012).

now this shift has happened and the kernel is unified, we can and should expect long lifecycle and updates, simply because it has to be.

if you can't comprehend that, and just want to cling onto thiss fragmented argument then fine, but if you actually read and use logic then you will understand that this shift had to happen and that it means, by its nature that the platform is now fully setup to have a long lifecycle and regular OTA updates.

gmail - Err. it's email, the phone has a mail app. the gmail app is stupid, I don't use thegmail app on my android because it's stupid, what should I have a separate app for each of my mail accounts instead of a single mail app that handles them all.

Youtube - errr, it has a perfectly working mobile web page that works on any device.

instagram - and thank something for that, less photos ruined by filters.

wells fargo - err doesn't exist over here, and banks and such shoudl rather focus on device independent mobile web sites.

HawkMan said,
gmail - Err. it's email, the phone has a mail app. the gmail app is stupid, I don't use thegmail app on my android because it's stupid, what should I have a separate app for each of my mail accounts instead of a single mail app that handles them all.

Youtube - errr, it has a perfectly working mobile web page that works on any device.

instagram - and thank something for that, less photos ruined by filters.

wells fargo - err doesn't exist over here, and banks and such shoudl rather focus on device independent mobile web sites.

There are apps for all of those (except Wells Fargo - what ever that is, first time heard of it).

Gmail - Works perfectly trough native mail app.

Youtube - Metrotube - better than the official Android app if you ask me.

Instagram - Thank god it isn't on WP yet (if you don't count the hundreds of unofficial filters apps).

He said above tha all these listed apps suck but his point was they didn't exsist at all, so all in all it's just his opinion and nothing else, he has no facts to back anything up he's ranting about. Don't feed that troll.