Windows Phone 8 not coming to current devices but...

It should not come as a major surprise, but Microsoft has just announced that Windows Phone 8 will not be coming to current gen Windows Phone devices. Microsoft, instead, will be bringing Windows Phone 7.8 to devices currently on the market.

All is not lost, one key feature that will be coming in the 7.8 update is the new Start screen that Microsoft showed off for Windows Phone 8. As far as who will get the update? It is currently said that all devices from Samsung, HTC and Nokia (we are checking to see if LG phones were an honest omission or if they are being neglected.) will be getting the update.

It is not that Microsoft does not want to bring Windows Phone 8 to current generation of devices but it is a fundamental shift in the hardware for the platform that forces them to take this route. For the long term, it is the correct move but current users may be a bit peeved at this announcement.

For developers, all Windows Phone 7 applications will run on Windows Phone 8 but Windows Phone 8 applications will not run on Windows Phone 7.

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I for one fail to see what the big fuss is. However, I use my "Smartphone" to make phone calls and text. I didn't buy a data plan nor do I intend on doing so. I'm probably one of a handful of people who bought the Nokia Lumia 710. I'm in Canada and Rogers offered me quite a good deal on it.

Phone was free, no data plan, continued my current plan, unlimited texting/calling to 5 numbers, 100 free incoming texts a month, unlimited calling/texting after 6, 250 minutes a month, caller ID, voicemail etc. 3-year contract signed in March of this year. I pay $36/month.

Did I screw myself over by signing a 3-year contract... especially with new Manitoba laws coming into place concerning contracts. Possibly.

I'm sure many of you will laugh at me for locking into a 3-year contract on a WP... especially one as "basic" as the Lumia 710. But, it was one of only 3 phones that didn't require a data plan.

Anyway, to each his/her own. For $36/month for the next ~31 months; I'm ok with that, for now.

They should just say it is upgradable to windows phone 8, because... that's what apple does, isn't it?

Apple lies, but nobody cares. They say, you can upgrade to ios6, but really... you upgrade to a scaled down version of it.

Microsoft is truthful, YOU DO GET AN UPGRADE, just not the full package. But they should have lied, because everyone seems to be ignorant of the 7.8 coming.

auziez said,
They should just say it is upgradable to windows phone 8, because... that's what apple does, isn't it?

Apple lies, but nobody cares. They say, you can upgrade to ios6, but really... you upgrade to a scaled down version of it.

Microsoft is truthful, YOU DO GET AN UPGRADE, just not the full package. But they should have lied, because everyone seems to be ignorant of the 7.8 coming.

Another thing...

its going to be 2 years when wp8 comes out that wp7.x has been on market, two years of full updates and massive improvements. MASSIVE. If you guys have a reason to %*@ch, chill out... Because by now you should be able to get onto a new contract if you want the full wp8 version.


Of course then there is also google and apple fanboys who take this as the perfect opportunity to bash... okay, Apple lies, Google doesn't even deliver. Case closed.

Its not nice to say "too bad" to your customers. Other vendors are more than happy to take the business you no longer want. Remember..."once burned, twice wary." Not a good reflection on Windows-8.

I can't really believe there is a physical limitation for the current generation of Windows Phones to run WP8.

I hope XDA developers prove me right on this and make custom WP8 ROMs for current devices.

Thief000 said,
I can't really believe there is a physical limitation for the current generation of Windows Phones to run WP8.

I hope XDA developers prove me right on this and make custom WP8 ROMs for current devices.

I hope so either. I thought they were testing it on Lumia 900. People should boycott windows phone until they show some respect to loyal consumers. and they are bringing the worst feature to 7.8 update. Home screen is a mess, I prefer the 7.5 screen which is cleaner

You don't have to use the smaller tiles, it's optional so no issues there. Also it isn't the only feature coming to WP7.8, more will be announced later.

S3P€hR said,

I hope so either. I thought they were testing it on Lumia 900. People should boycott windows phone until they show some respect to loyal consumers. and they are bringing the worst feature to 7.8 update. Home screen is a mess, I prefer the 7.5 screen which is cleaner

I am kind of thinking about getting a surface and windows phone 8. I have a win7 phone and love it, suits me down the ground... just not too sure about win8 on the desktop yet. MS seems to heading in a good direction with their latest offerings, keep it up.

Stup0t said,
I am kind of thinking about getting a surface and windows phone 8. I have a win7 phone and love it, suits me down the ground... just not too sure about win8 on the desktop yet. MS seems to heading in a good direction with their latest offerings, keep it up.

I'd keep Windows-7 on your desktop. Windows-8 is way too "iffy" at this point to abandon Windows-7. Of course, a lot depends on what and how you use your desktop.

duddit2 said,
Do we know yet what we wont be getting, or is this a load of speculation?

Load of speculation. We obviously won't get anything that's tied to hardware we don't have. We also don't get apps that target a higher version (just like WP Mango apps can't install on pre-Mango devices). All the rest is speculation.

rfirth said,

Load of speculation. We obviously won't get anything that's tied to hardware we don't have. We also don't get apps that target a higher version (just like WP Mango apps can't install on pre-Mango devices). All the rest is speculation.

People are speculating because MS is not detailing anything...........
Big difference.

Tbh i would like wp 8 on my lumia but tbh i dont care cus its a great phone to use anyway. If wp8 is actually capable of running on older hardware, pretty sure a dev group will get a download for it and just stick it on your phone the same way as i got the fix that mainly extended the battery life before it was released as an update. stop bitching and moaning about it, where theres a will theres a way. Besides when the wp8 hardware comes out itll crap on the iphone from an even greater height than it already does

t is not that Microsoft does not want to bring Windows Phone 8 to current generation of devices but it is a fundamental shift in the hardware for the platform that forces them to take this route

Then they should offer an option for upgrade to new phones for lumia 900 users who bought their phone recently or in the future.

I don't understand. Physical button will remain the same, windows 8 will support more resolution and more variety of processors? then why they would not upgrade current phones? Its a huge customer disrespect. Specially with the ad: beta test is over. people will sue them.

S3P€hR said,
I don't understand. Physical button will remain the same, windows 8 will support more resolution and more variety of processors? then why they would not upgrade current phones? Its a huge customer disrespect. Specially with the ad: beta test is over. people will sue them.

Windows Phone 8 uses the Windows 8 driver model. They would have to rewrite all the drivers for all the phones to support the new driver model. It would be a huge task.

The upshot is that Windows and Windows Phone drivers are now the same.

daniel_rh said,
This is why I don't buy phones on contract, a new year, a new phone

Agree,

IM happy with this choice, i get a new start screen and come this time next year when all the apps are more WP8 ready ill upgrade again

Doesn't bother me a bit. I'm ready to buy new hardware soon, anyway. I do like to be able to repurpose old phones as media remotes and home automation keypads, and using new APIs would be nice, though, so it's sort of a shame in that regard.

SubZenit said,
This is stupid, why wouldn't they offer an upgrade atleast for Lumia 800 & 900. Next Phone: Android device.

How many Gingerbreads can get ICS?

DClark said,

How many Gingerbreads can get ICS?
at least we android have cyanogenmod. Even yes android are slow at updates but most of them still gets updated in the end. Hopefully windows phone users have an awesome team like cyanogenmod I guess...

They abandoned WinMo, they abandoned WP7 and they will abandon WP8. Ah, and they abandoned Silverlight.
New kids contractors - new software.

hummell said,
They abandoned WinMo, they abandoned WP7 and they will abandon WP8. Ah, and they abandoned Silverlight.
New kids contractors - new software.

Will Windows-8 be next?

My current phone is Samsung Focus S. Because of this news, my next phone will the Apple iPhone because of their long term support of older devices.

s3n4te said,
My current phone is Samsung Focus S. Because of this news, my next phone will the Apple iPhone because of their long term support of older devices.

I haven't seen them do any better. Old Macs were unsupported after the transition to Intel. My Macbook is not that old and doesn't support Mountain Lion. The original iPad isn't much older than the first wave of Windows Phone, and it's now unsupported. The iPhone 4 didn't get all the features of iOS 5 when it came out only a year later. The iPhone 3GS certainly didn't get all the features of iOS 5 or now iOS 6. It's not all bad, but it's not all good either.

Meanwhile, your Samsung Focus S is still supported. And the platform is only just getting started with all this new Windows 8 + Windows Phone 8 development.

rfirth said,

I haven't seen them do any better. Old Macs were unsupported after the transition to Intel. My Macbook is not that old and doesn't support Mountain Lion. The original iPad isn't much older than the first wave of Windows Phone, and it's now unsupported. The iPhone 4 didn't get all the features of iOS 5 when it came out only a year later. The iPhone 3GS certainly didn't get all the features of iOS 5 or now iOS 6. It's not all bad, but it's not all good either.

Meanwhile, your Samsung Focus S is still supported. And the platform is only just getting started with all this new Windows 8 + Windows Phone 8 development.

Except the 3 year old 3GS is still being supported while in 6 months when WP8 comes the not even year old Lumia 900 will be dead in the water for support.

rfirth said,

The original iPad isn't much older than the first wave of Windows Phone, and it's now unsupported.

Does Apple stores still sell the iPad 1?..................

rfirth said,

I haven't seen them do any better. Old Macs were unsupported after the transition to Intel. My Macbook is not that old and doesn't support Mountain Lion. The original iPad isn't much older than the first wave of Windows Phone, and it's now unsupported. The iPhone 4 didn't get all the features of iOS 5 when it came out only a year later. The iPhone 3GS certainly didn't get all the features of iOS 5 or now iOS 6. It's not all bad, but it's not all good either.

Meanwhile, your Samsung Focus S is still supported. And the platform is only just getting started with all this new Windows 8 + Windows Phone 8 development.

I have a $5000 "professional" Mac workstation that I bought in 2007 that won't be getting upgraded to Mountain Lion.

eilegz said,
one word:

FRAGMENTATION....

Not even, the current userbase will simply being ignored since it's so small

Rudy said,
Not even, the current userbase will simply being ignored since it's so small

That's a nice way to treat your users...

The thing is, if Microsoft is willing to screw over current users, what's to stop them doing the exact same thing in the future?

simplezz said,

That's a nice way to treat your users...

The thing is, if Microsoft is willing to screw over current users, what's to stop them doing the exact same thing in the future?

Um, they did it with Windows Mobile too.

So "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me to twice shame on me. Fool me a third time, I'm just a fool who will always blindly follow Microsoft because I am a stubborn a$$ that will never admit I got screwed yet again."

If Microsoft really cared about their current Windows Owners, they would allow us to turn our phones in and give us credit toward a Windows Phone 8. Somehow I don't think that is going to happen. I have a HTC Titan and it is not even a year old yet. Already At&t and HTC have pulled it off the market to come out with the Titan 2 a few months ago. I really feel sorry for people who have purchased the Lumia 900, it is definitely a slap in their face as well. Also, we are still dealing with At&t and their slow ass molasses updates and fixes that they have refused to release for the current phones. You can't even hardly type anything on the current phones with the disappearing keyboard. Microsoft has not done anything to go after At&t to force them to release the fix. It looks like they have lost me as a customer. I will be moving all my services over to Google and Android gets my next upgrade. Microsoft can get my middle finger and Steve Ballmer needs to be fired. This is coming from a Microsoft fan since 2000.

JSYOUNG571 said,
If Microsoft really cared about their current Windows Owners, they would allow us to turn our phones in and give us credit toward a Windows Phone 8. Somehow I don't think that is going to happen. I have a HTC Titan and it is not even a year old yet. Already At&t and HTC have pulled it off the market to come out with the Titan 2 a few months ago. I really feel sorry for people who have purchased the Lumia 900, it is definitely a slap in their face as well. Also, we are still dealing with At&t and their slow ass molasses updates and fixes that they have refused to release for the current phones. You can't even hardly type anything on the current phones with the disappearing keyboard. Microsoft has not done anything to go after At&t to force them to release the fix. It looks like they have lost me as a customer. I will be moving all my services over to Google and Android gets my next upgrade. Microsoft can get my middle finger and Steve Ballmer needs to be fired. This is coming from a Microsoft fan since 2000.

i mean if we got all of the software update thats fine, i understand that hardware dependent things cant be updated like that....but they didn't make it clear what we were getting; other than the new start screen? are we getting the new shared core? the lumia 900 has nfc, it should work?

jorel009 said,

i mean if we got all of the software update thats fine, i understand that hardware dependent things cant be updated like that....but they didn't make it clear what we were getting; other than the new start screen? are we getting the new shared core? the lumia 900 has nfc, it should work?

apps for windows phone 8 wont work on 7.8, its a development mess again one word FRAGMENTATION.

eilegz said,

apps for windows phone 8 wont work on 7.8, its a development mess again one word FRAGMENTATION.

Development mess? You obviously haven't developed for Windows Phone or you would know a little about the transition from 7.0 to 7.1.

JSYOUNG571 said,
If Microsoft really cared about their current Windows Owners, they would allow us to turn our phones in and give us credit toward a Windows Phone 8.

That would be fairer. Especially for users who just bought a brand new Lumia 900 on a two year contract.

well screw windows phone, its tiem i jumped to android, at least there i know i am getting ****ed, at least i can root the device and do what i will. i just bought the lumia 900...wtf microsoft. screw you, hello ggole (well the next time i update my phone anyways)!

For developers, all Windows Phone 7 applications will run on Windows Phone 8 but Windows Phone 8 applications will not run on Windows Phone 7.

Nice way of screwing over current Windows Phone 7 owners.

.Neo said,

Nice way of screwing over current Windows Phone 7 owners.

Now let's just wait for someone who has to create a WP8-only app because WP7 would not be able to run it.

Well at least the Android fanboys don't need to listen to the WP fanboys talk about how bad Android is because of the fragmentation. This just produced a lot of fragmentation as all apps need to now have 2 versions, the 7.8 version and 8.0+ version.

draklin said,
Well at least the Android fanboys don't need to listen to the WP fanboys talk about how bad Android is because of the fragmentation. This just produced a lot of fragmentation as all apps need to now have 2 versions, the 7.8 version and 8.0+ version.

Happens already with 7.0 and 7.1 (7 + 7.5)

So I guess when time rolls round for WP9 that's just it for WP7 users? Even if there is a shift in hardware they could still have WP8 support both previous hardware and current.

rfirth said,
All Windows Phones now have guaranteed support for a minimum of 18 months from launch of the device.

Which is nice, but since the contract terms are 2 years, that should be the minimum period of support honestly. I love Microsoft and all, but they are wrong here.

M_Lyons10 said,

Which is nice, but since the contract terms are 2 years, that should be the minimum period of support honestly. I love Microsoft and all, but they are wrong here.

I have to agree here. Personally I only buy SIM free phones so I do not care but from a marketing point of view is just dumb......... What could be the big problem offering six months more.
Plus I would like to understand how this 18 months will be calculated. will it be from the release date of the OS, the launch of the first devices or what?

Fritzly said,

I have to agree here. Personally I only buy SIM free phones so I do not care but from a marketing point of view is just dumb......... What could be the big problem offering six months more.
Plus I would like to understand how this 18 months will be calculated. will it be from the release date of the OS, the launch of the first devices or what?

The same question was asked last year at Google I/O with the handset alliance. It is still vague to this day.

Getting New UI, but no Native code support. This translates to limited app support, esply games. Some good apps will not get updates. :-(

Also what about Nokia Maps, and Skype integration?

yowanvista said,
Nice job Microsoft, at least Apple cares to update their older devices. Even the 3GS is getting iOS6..

Even my HTC Android from 2010 still receives major android updates, it's a bit of fail for Microsoft to kind of abandon their entire mobile user-base.. again.

yowanvista said,
Nice job Microsoft, at least Apple cares to update their older devices. Even the 3GS is getting iOS6..

Stop giving Apple so much credit for updating the 3GS... they still sell it! Of course they support it. And it's not like the iPhone 4 got all the features of iOS 5 when it came out, or that the 3GS got all the features of iOS 5 or iOS 6.

yowanvista said,
Nice job Microsoft, at least Apple cares to update their older devices. Even the 3GS is getting iOS6..

yeah, my iPad 1 is getting iOS6. Oh, wait...

yowanvista said,
Nice job Microsoft, at least Apple cares to update their older devices. Even the 3GS is getting iOS6..

The 3gs and 4 are not getting every feature of ios6. So microsoft is doing the same thing with windows phone 7.8

turnma said,

yeah, my iPad 1 is getting iOS6. Oh, wait...

I too have an iPad 1, but the iPad has been out longer than any Windows Phone.

yowanvista said,
Nice job Microsoft, at least Apple cares to update their older devices. Even the 3GS is getting iOS6..

iOS 6 is evolutionairy. The proper equivalent would be to put Mountain Lion on iPhone..

majortom1981 said,

The 3gs and 4 are not getting every feature of ios6. So microsoft is doing the same thing with windows phone 7.8

No the brand new iPad3 and 4S get everything but the top of the range Nokia 900 gets a subset of 8. While it's not a huge deal it is a marketing nightmare.

turnma said,
yeah, my iPad 1 is getting iOS6. Oh, wait...

You got two major OS updates (iOS 4, iOS 5) out of it. That's a lot more Nokia Lumia owners can say.

majortom1981 said,

The 3gs and 4 are not getting every feature of ios6. So microsoft is doing the same thing with windows phone 7.8

Windows Phone 7.8 won't be able to run Windows Phone 8 apps. How is it in any way the same?

Depicus said,

No the brand new iPad3 and 4S get everything but the top of the range Nokia 900 gets a subset of 8. While it's not a huge deal it is a marketing nightmare.

Apple's Siri must have been a marketing nightmare last year then...

thealexweb said,

Even my HTC Android from 2010 still receives major android updates, it's a bit of fail for Microsoft to kind of abandon their entire mobile user-base.. again.

They're not abandoning anyone. Think of WP7.8 as WP8 for older devices, like Apple "abandons" old devices in this new update.

but hey, the haters will always find a way to throw the "MS abandons their users" around.

majortom1981 said,

The 3gs and 4 are not getting every feature of ios6. So microsoft is doing the same thing with windows phone 7.8

The 3GS is getting a totally 'new' OS, some (if not all) features will be available. And btw Windows Phone 8 ≠ Windows Phone 7.8, it's more like a rebranded WP7.5 + few new features like the Start Screen. Even their kernels are different. WP8 and Windows 8 on the other side share the same full-fledged NT kernel & Shared Windows Core infrastructure, APIs like C, C++ libraries, Direct X components and SQLite.

HawkMan said,

They're not abandoning anyone. Think of WP7.8 as WP8 for older devices, like Apple "abandons" old devices in this new update.

but hey, the haters will always find a way to throw the "MS abandons their users" around.


can i run new apps? well dont you look petty now eh?

yowanvista said,

The 3GS is getting a totally 'new' OS, some (if not all) features will be available. And btw Windows Phone 8 ≠ Windows Phone 7.8, it's more like a rebranded WP7.5 + few new features like the Start Screen. Even their kernels are different. WP8 and Windows 8 on the other side share the same full-fledged NT kernel & Shared Windows Core infrastructure, APIs like C, C++ libraries, Direct X components and SQLite.

plus app support, its almost like having winmp 6.5 to wp7 just a little better with some backward compatibility but thats all... on other hands almost same mess than rim its having from bb7.1 to bb10.

Microsoft only "good" thing could depend entirely on how windows 8 to and its not that bright future.

rfirth said,

Apple's Siri must have been a marketing nightmare last year then...

Yes, I seem to remember quite a few people upset with that as well.

.Neo said,

Windows Phone 7.8 won't be able to run Windows Phone 8 apps. How is it in any way the same?

Apps designed for iOS 6 won't run on iOS4/5 phones either.

HawkMan said,

They're not abandoning anyone. Think of WP7.8 as WP8 for older devices, like Apple "abandons" old devices in this new update.

but hey, the haters will always find a way to throw the "MS abandons their users" around.

WM to WP7.... forget about it....... WP7 to WP8.......... forget about it..........
Maybe it is because I am not a blind worshiper but I see a pattern here.
Do you think that Windows achieved the market domination it has right now with the same strategy?

jorel009 said,

can i run new apps?

No, because now ALL developers will always create a WP8 app that doesn't support WP7 at all, just like all Android developers are now creating applications that just work for Android 4.

BajiRav said,

Apps designed for iOS 6 won't run on iOS4/5 phones either.

Which isn't the same as all hardware sold today is being updated to iOS 6. As such they can run those apps.

thealexweb said,

Even my HTC Android from 2010 still receives major android updates, it's a bit of fail for Microsoft to kind of abandon their entire mobile user-base.. again.

Agreed. When you consider Windows Phone 6.x and now this, if that's not giving your customers the middle finger I don't know what is.

HawkMan said,

They're not abandoning anyone. Think of WP7.8 as WP8 for older devices, like Apple "abandons" old devices in this new update.

but hey, the haters will always find a way to throw the "MS abandons their users" around.

It's funny because the only people who are really "mad" about this are people who don't even have Windows Phones to begin with.

As a Lumia 900 owner, I'm alright with the 7.8 update and understand now after seeing WP8 that there's a lot that the current hardware just wouldn't support.

Enron said,

It's funny because the only people who are really "mad" about this are people who don't even have Windows Phones to begin with.

And how did you determine this?

turnma said,

yeah, my iPad 1 is getting iOS6. Oh, wait...

The difference is Apple doesn't sell the iPad (1st Generation). However the Lumia is still being sold as well as other Windows 7.5 phones out there.

Fritzly said,

And how did you determine this?

I work for Google and know everything about everyone. Except the folks who use Bing.

Enron said,
As a Lumia 900 owner, I'm alright with the 7.8 update and understand now after seeing WP8 that there's a lot that the current hardware just wouldn't support.

Same, I actually preferred they go this route rather than shoehorning in an OS that wasn't designed for the hardware and then ending up with something that doesn't run as well as it should. When I bought my 900 I suspected the next generation would be fairly different and had zero reasonable expectations of a full upgrade, and I'm definitely on board for a new phone next year for WP8. At least parts of it are being backported, a better situation than what my old Androids are in.

Max Norris said,

Same, I actually preferred they go this route rather than shoehorning in an OS that wasn't designed for the hardware and then ending up with something that doesn't run as well as it should. When I bought my 900 I suspected the next generation would be fairly different and had zero reasonable expectations of a full upgrade, and I'm definitely on board for a new phone next year for WP8. At least parts of it are being backported, a better situation than what my old Androids are in.

Same here, I mean I knew the 7 series was a stopgap OS as MS made the transition from WinCE to the new OS architecture. Granted it's a bit upsetting for some that their Lumia 900 is only getting one update. I would have thought Microsoft would release 7.8 for current hardware as "Windows Phone 8" though.

People tout Apple as the shining example of how to do updates right, but I had problems with both the 3G and 3GS updating.. after I got the new iOS, the phone was practically unusable for months until they "sort of" fixed it, but basically what I had was the same OS it shipped with, plus a few UI tweaks, but with greatly reduced speed. I couldn't even "slide to answer" a call, that's how unresponsive the phone was.

Enron said,

I work for Google and know everything about everyone. Except the folks who use Bing.


I see..... You should send an application to Fox News..... I am sure they would hire you right away.....

Fritzly said,

I see..... You should send an application to Fox News..... I am sure they would hire you right away.....

Nah, Fox News is too pro-Apple for some reason. They wouldn't want someone who has memorized the Google.

Enron said,

Nah, Fox News is too pro-Apple for some reason. They wouldn't want someone who has memorized the Google.

Ah, ah this is a good one..........

HawkMan said,
but hey, the haters will always find a way to throw the "MS abandons their users" around.

More like "haters" of the truth, try and snow the average users by trying to pretend the lack of an upgrade isn't important, so they should be happy to keep buying hardware that is pretty much obsolete even before they put their money down!

That's okay I guess. If someone were to get the Lumia 900 now, they wouldn't feel too bad about not being able to upgrade.

fobban said,
Nice fail for those buying new Lumia 900 devices.

i don't know about that, the 3 people that i know that got the lumia 900 from at&t for $100 got a $100 credit on their bill for it, so they got it for free anyways...

i don't think that's very much of a fail!

Buttus said,

i don't know about that, the 3 people that i know that got the lumia 900 from at&t for $100 got a $100 credit on their bill for it, so they got it for free anyways...

i don't think that's very much of a fail!

Mmmm you don't think that AT&T gets that money from high call costs etc.... nothing is free.

Buttus said,

i don't know about that, the 3 people that i know that got the lumia 900 from at&t for $100 got a $100 credit on their bill for it, so they got it for free anyways...

i don't think that's very much of a fail!

They still are screwed. They are locked into a 2 year contract. FAIL!

Buttus said,

i don't know about that, the 3 people that i know that got the lumia 900 from at&t for $100 got a $100 credit on their bill for it, so they got it for free anyways...

i don't think that's very much of a fail!

Being stuck with an outdated phone for 2 years is a major fail

fobban said,
Nice fail for those buying new Lumia 900 devices.

Honestly I think the techie group on here overestimate how much normal consumers care about or make a fuss over being able to get future software updates. I mean it would be nice sure, but MS changed the core with WP8, there's stuff that probably just won't work on the CE core or would take too long to do. WP8 is coming in the fall, if having to port it all to older gen1 and 1.5 devices means they had to delay it for another 6 months I'd say forget that and cut the cord. As ****ty as it sounds.

I'm a current gen1 WP owner by the way, but for me it's going to be 2 years, and it's time for a new phone. If I had a lumia 900 would that suck? To me yes, to the average phone buyer though? I don't think so. Look at the android market, facts speak for themselves here, there are lower end Android phones shipping as NEW but still running v2.2 or 2.3, and people buy them. This says to me that the normal users doesn't care about the OS as long as it works for them and so on.

GP007 said,

Honestly I think the techie group on here overestimate how much normal consumers care about or make a fuss over being able to get future software updates. I mean it would be nice sure, but MS changed the core with WP8, there's stuff that probably just won't work on the CE core or would take too long to do. WP8 is coming in the fall, if having to port it all to older gen1 and 1.5 devices means they had to delay it for another 6 months I'd say forget that and cut the cord. As ****ty as it sounds.

I'm a current gen1 WP owner by the way, but for me it's going to be 2 years, and it's time for a new phone. If I had a lumia 900 would that suck? To me yes, to the average phone buyer though? I don't think so. Look at the android market, facts speak for themselves here, there are lower end Android phones shipping as NEW but still running v2.2 or 2.3, and people buy them. This says to me that the normal users doesn't care about the OS as long as it works for them and so on.

They did it with WM, HD2 as a perfect example, and it does not seem that the strategy worked well.
Plus just 18 months of "Guaranteed" updates when the majority of people are locked in a 2 years contract........ It does not seem very smart to me. A 24 months would have looked much better.

Fritzly said,

They did it with WM, HD2 as a perfect example, and it does not seem that the strategy worked well.
Plus just 18 months of "Guaranteed" updates when the majority of people are locked in a 2 years contract........ It does not seem very smart to me. A 24 months would have looked much better.

Sure it would look better, but really as I was saying, how many people, normal none tech focused users really care if they, for example, can't upgrade to WP9? At the rate phones are selling I'd say lots of people just get new ones, even before their 2 years are over.

GP007 said,

At the rate phones are selling I'd say lots of people just get new ones, even before their 2 years are over.

Not sure about that, granted in Europe even subsized phones must be sold SIM free but in the US the vast majority of people are locked in two years contracts. I read here that in Canada they go even for three which, IMO is just ridiculous.

Buttus said,

i don't know about that, the 3 people that i know that got the lumia 900 from at&t for $100 got a $100 credit on their bill for it, so they got it for free anyways...

Not if you include the two year contract they signed up for.

simplezz said,

Not if you include the two year contract they signed up for.

I love people who cannot understand this concept...... It is like my BMW that comes with 4 years "maintenance free"........ which is not free because the cost is just added, and hidden, to the price of the car.

Rudy said,
Being stuck with an outdated phone for 2 years is a major fail
How will they be outdated? They are still be upgraded to WP7.8. It is the exact same situation as when Apple releases iOS 6. Yes, the three-year-old 3GS can still upgrade, but some of the features are unusable. Only in this case, instead of making features unusable, Microsoft is being honest and releasing the bumper: 7.8.

Buttus said,

i don't know about that, the 3 people that i know that got the lumia 900 from at&t for $100 got a $100 credit on their bill for it, so they got it for free anyways...

i don't think that's very much of a fail!

Getting it for free? No! That isn't a fail.

Wasting their upgrade on it? Yes! Only to the techies of course. Your average person doesn't know what iOS 6 is, Ice Cream Sandwich or "Jelly Bean" or even Windows Phone 8. I only feel for those that do know what it is and were expecting to have the latest version of Windows Phone on their Lumia's.

Instead they gotta wait out their contracts or buy it for full price or open a second line.

simplezz said,

Not if you include the two year contract they signed up for.

so you mean if you buy another phone, you don't have to pay the same amount for the contract each month?

Buttus said,

so you mean if you buy another phone, you don't have to pay the same amount for the contract each month?

You missed the point. People who used their upgrade yesterday got a device that is fragmented. Nothing more than that. It's like someone buy a Galaxy S device today and not waiting for the Galaxy S III.

NightCrawlerInfinity said,

You missed the point. People who used their upgrade yesterday got a device that is fragmented. Nothing more than that. It's like someone buy a Galaxy S device today and not waiting for the Galaxy S III.

I've said this lots of times, and while you have a point that 7.8 devices will be left behind once we start to get more beefy native code games and apps, I really think the techie people on this site overstate the level at which the average consumer cares about this situation.

I look at the market and few facts are clear, and have been for years. Average consumers never upgraded their computer OS, MS has stated this time and again, they got the new Windows version with new hardware.

On the phone market, Android has been doing this for some time, I still see "new" phones being sold with old v2.2 or v2.3 yet they get picked up, they sell, thus people don't care about the version it seems. Another fact, the phone market is one were unlike PCs and other devices, people change their phone often. I think lots of people get a new phone every year or go the full 2 years and then get a new phone. The thing is though, this makes the upgrade "issue" not a issue in the end. If consumers held on to their phones for say, 5 years or more like a PC or notebook, then sure, not getting constant software upgrades would suck. But it seems that when that new OS version for your phone hits you're ready for a new phone anyways.

In the end it's just the way people think about phones, they're not attached to them as much as a PC, or a TV etc. They're ready to swap to a new one at the first chance they get if the price is right and they can afford it.

GP007 said,
...

Your points are valid, but us geeks want the latest and the cheapest price. If it were upgradeable, we won't have to worry about buying a new device (unless you really wanted the higher resolution, NFC, and dual-core). But if you are a geek and wanted what I mentioned, you would have gotten an Android phone a long time ago.

Bottom line, average customer has no clue; geeks do.

You really think my idiot friend with a iPhone can make an argument of fragmentation against Android? Absolutely not. Only us geeks do such things.

TheDisneyMagic said,
Same here, I have watched the entire stream and not heard this claim.
That's because there is a delay in live streaming.

jorel009 said,
...when did they announce this? i've been watching the whole thing?
I never heard it either, the story originated on the verge, likely a ploy by WP hater, Mr. Topolsky.

zikalify said,
I never heard it either, the story originated on the verge, likely a ploy by WP hater, Mr. Topolsky.

lol well every blog is now carrying the story (ars neowin etc). im still watching and i have not heard anything.

zikalify said,
I never heard it either, the story originated on the verge, likely a ploy by WP hater, Mr. Topolsky.

You look a bit silly now. Because it's true

Just a bit.

Vice said,

You look a bit silly now. Because it's true

Just a bit.

lol, well there is a delay in the stream, so at the time, it really did come out of left field.

That's cool... so when they put this out, AT&T will finally put out Tango and we'll never get this one

EDIT: Oooh, nevermind! Bypassing the carriers for updates for 7.8 and 8. WOOHOO!

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