Windows Phone 8 to get bundled Xbox Music Pass?

Microsoft has already announced that it plans to replace the current Zune music and video service with the new Xbox Music. At the end of August, Microsoft shut down a number of the features of Zune Music in preparation for the transition to the new Xbox Music.

Now there's word that when Windows Phone 8 is launched, it might come with Xbox Music Pass, which sounds like it will replace the current Zune Music Pass feature. A person who got a hold of the Windows Phone 8 SDK posted up some screenshots from the OS on the Winunleaked.info site (free registration required).

One of the screenshots clearly shows the Xbox Music Pass, along with an icon that shows how Windows Phone 8 users can connect their device to a PC to "add stuff". We would assume Xbox Music Pass will work the same as the current Zune Music Pass, which lets its subscribers gain access to millions of songs for one monthly fee.

The gallery of images from the Windows Phone 8 SDK also show previously announced features of Windows Phone 8, including Microsoft Office, the camera lens effects and the ton of languages that the OS will support.

Source: Winunleaked.info | Image via Winunleaked.info

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That's looking too much into it. It's a start screen representation on the phone, and a start screen representation on the computer.

Surface-Evangelist said,
We think Microsoft will anounce its new service within the next weeks, along with a more detailed anouncement about the XBOX Update coming later this year

"the next weeks"? Could that be any less precise? ;-)

Found out last night that xbox music and video is now available on the xbox 360 dashboard beta. Not sure if it was already available in the beta but I have just noticed it after the latest update.

~Johnny said,
Yep - they are essentially at this point just rebranded Zune Music / Zune Video applications, with a theme makeover.

Thanks for the clarification.

Wonder if Microsoft will come after me for breaching the confidentiality agreement...

DaveGreen93 said,
Found out last night that xbox music and video is now available on the xbox 360 dashboard beta. Not sure if it was already available in the beta but I have just noticed it after the latest update.

yeah, just saw it this morning.
there's a place where you can get a Xbox Music Pass + Xbox Live Gold, but it doesn't seem to let you buy it.

This just in: Windows Phone 8 can also make phone calls.

Really, does this story need the question mark on the end of it. Of COURSE it's going to have Xbox Music.

scumdogmillionaire said,
This just in: Windows Phone 8 can also make phone calls.

Really, does this story need the question mark on the end of it. Of COURSE it's going to have Xbox Music.


The story doesn't question whether it will have Xbox Music; that's specifically mentioned in the article. The question is if the Xbox Music Pass will come bundled with it.

Anthony Tosie said,

The story doesn't question whether it will have Xbox Music; that's specifically mentioned in the article. The question is if the Xbox Music Pass will come bundled with it.

If that's the question it's asking that's even worse than I thought...because that's a pretty clear no.

You can use the subscription on it, but it's not going to be free...

Shane Nokes said,

If that's the question it's asking that's even worse than I thought...because that's a pretty clear no.

You can use the subscription on it, but it's not going to be free...

How do you know they're not going to bundle an Xbox Music Pass with purchases of new WP8 devices as an incentive? Promotions like this are not unheard of when a company launches a new product they want to be a success. It doesn't even have to be a permanent thing, just a short term promotion where early adopters get a 1 year pass would be nice.

Don't state something as fact when you have no idea if it's fact or not. At this point in time it's just your opinion.

TCLN Ryster said,

How do you know they're not going to bundle an Xbox Music Pass with purchases of new WP8 devices as an incentive? Promotions like this are not unheard of when a company launches a new product they want to be a success. It doesn't even have to be a permanent thing, just a short term promotion where early adopters get a 1 year pass would be nice.

Don't state something as fact when you have no idea if it's fact or not. At this point in time it's just your opinion.

As a code that gives you a specific time free? Sure I can see that. That wasn't what was stated.

Giving away the Xbox Music Pass as part of a bundle with the phone though...as in if you buy a phone it's just part of it and free? No.

Yes I can state that pretty definitively given my experience in this case.

Shane Nokes said,

As a code that gives you a specific time free? Sure I can see that. That wasn't what was stated.

Giving away the Xbox Music Pass as part of a bundle with the phone though...as in if you buy a phone it's just part of it and free? No.

Yes I can state that pretty definitively given my experience in this case.


You may what to rethink how definitive you are, given that the past indicates it's, at minimum, a decent possibility: http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...ss-for-windows-phone-buyers

Anthony Tosie said,

You may what to rethink how definitive you are, given that the past indicates it's, at minimum, a decent possibility: http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...ss-for-windows-phone-buyers

No, but you might want to actually read what I said, and then read the link you provided.

If you had you would have seen that I said that I can see them providing a code to allow for subscription access for a specified period of time. Then you would have noticed that the link you posted says exactly that.

What I stated as pretty definitive is that they won't just make Music Pass totally free for WP users.

A code to enable it for a while? Yes.

Permanent access at no cost? No. Never going to happen. Guaranteed.

I suggest more time spent reading what you link to, and less time arguing with someone who knows the ins and outs of this particular line of business.

I don't mean that rudely, but as a simple statement or fact.

Anthony Tosie said,

The story doesn't question whether it will have Xbox Music; that's specifically mentioned in the article. The question is if the Xbox Music Pass will come bundled with it.

And yet that's not really what the article spends any time talking about...

And I would agree that it is rather unplausable that this would be bundled...

Shane Nokes said,

No, but you might want to actually read what I said, and then read the link you provided.

If you had you would have seen that I said that I can see them providing a code to allow for subscription access for a specified period of time. Then you would have noticed that the link you posted says exactly that.

What I stated as pretty definitive is that they won't just make Music Pass totally free for WP users.

A code to enable it for a while? Yes.

Permanent access at no cost? No. Never going to happen. Guaranteed.

I suggest more time spent reading what you link to, and less time arguing with someone who knows the ins and outs of this particular line of business.

I don't mean that rudely, but as a simple statement or fact.


You're reading far too much into the article than is written. Nowhere is it implied that the Zune Pass would be free forever. Whenever you see an advertisement for a subscription service being bundled with something, do you inherently think, "This subscription service must be free forever since they're bundling it; it's not like it's merely for a year"? It's not a logical thought, and I'm not sure how you jumped to that conclusion.

I read both articles. Nowhere in this article is the "permanent access at no cost" discussed. You're bending over backwards to try and make claims on what this article does and doesn't say.

Anthony Tosie said,

You're reading far too much into the article than is written. Nowhere is it implied that the Zune Pass would be free forever. Whenever you see an advertisement for a subscription service being bundled with something, do you inherently think, "This subscription service must be free forever since they're bundling it; it's not like it's merely for a year"? It's not a logical thought, and I'm not sure how you jumped to that conclusion.

I read both articles. Nowhere in this article is the "permanent access at no cost" discussed. You're bending over backwards to try and make claims on what this article does and doesn't say.

Just to clarify, you're the person who started this specific train of thought with the comment:

The story doesn't question whether it will have Xbox Music; that's specifically mentioned in the article. The question is if the Xbox Music Pass will come bundled with it.

I pointed out that a code for a time specific subscription might happen, but that they wouldn't outright bundle the service with the phone.

Product bundling (which is what you are talking about) is often described as this:

Product bundling is a marketing strategy that involves offering several products for sale as one combined product. This strategy is very common in the software business (for example: bundle a word processor, a spreadsheet, and a database into a single office suite), in the cable television industry (for example, basic cable in the United States generally offers many channels at one price), and in the fast food industry in which multiple items are combined into a complete meal. A bundle of products is sometimes referred to as a package deal or a compilation or an anthology.

My point is that there is not a chance that they are going to bundle the Music Pass with the phone, which they won't. They might (as I said) offer a code for a limited time subscription, but bundle it into the price? Not going to happen.


Maybe the problem I keep running into is that I actually use the correct definition of words, especially when there is context. I keep expecting everyone to do the same, and that seems to be where a lot of communication issues with me happen.

I use words how they are meant to be used, while it seems a lot of people do not and just expect people to get what they mean, even though it's not what they said...

Edited by Shane Nokes, Sep 23 2012, 7:04pm :

Shane Nokes said,

Just to clarify, you're the person who started this specific train of thought with the comment:

I pointed out that a code for a time specific subscription might happen, but that they wouldn't outright bundle the service with the phone.

Product bundling (which is what you are talking about) is often described as this:


My point is that there is not a chance that they are going to bundle the Music Pass with the phone, which they won't. They might (as I said) offer a code for a limited time subscription, but bundle it into the price? Not going to happen.


Maybe the problem I keep running into is that I actually use the correct definition of words, especially when there is context. I keep expecting everyone to do the same, and that seems to be where a lot of communication issues with me happen.

I use words how they are meant to be used, while it seems a lot of people do not and just expect people to get what they mean, even though it's not what they said...


OK, yet again, you're making a great deal of assumptions. Nowhere was it stated in the article or my post that it would be a bundle that would last forever. It's a subscription service, and I'm not sure I've ever heard of a bundle with a subscription service where said bundle lasted forever.

Your comment was poorly phrased, as you said the following: "As a code that gives you a specific time free?" A. It doesn't have to be a code, it could be tied to a person's account at the store. B. You said "specific time," not "for a specific amount of time" or anything along those lines. Those are two very different things.

The definition you quoted doesn't change anything stated by the article or anything else. The Wikipedia article you're quoting is a woefully incomplete article. There are plenty of other definitions you can find on the Internet by searching for "product bundling" and "service bundling" that indicate a bundle does not inherently mean a service being bundled is free forever.

I'm not going to keep responding as it's clear you're merely attempting to elicit a negative reaction (which is more than apparent from your phrasing and insults) for something neither the article nor I said.

Edited by Anthony Tosie, Sep 23 2012, 8:56pm :

Anthony Tosie said,

OK, yet again, you're making a great deal of assumptions. Nowhere was it stated in the article or my post that it would be a bundle that would last forever. It's a subscription service, and I'm not sure I've ever heard of a bundle with a subscription service where said bundle lasted forever.

Your comment was poorly phrased, as you said the following: "As a code that gives you a specific time free?" A. It doesn't have to be a code, it could be tied to a person's account at the store. B. You said "specific time," not "for a specific amount of time" or anything along those lines. Those are two very different things.

I'm not going to keep responding as it's clear you're merely attempting to elicit a negative reaction (which is more than apparent from your phrasing and insults) for something neither the article nor I said.

1. I'm not making any assumption. I'm using the phrasing that you said, which was bundle. I then explained why I thought you were saying something specific earlier, based on that wording. To clarify, you worded your statement poorly and based on that wording I made a point. You have since clarified that statement so we can move on from there.

2. Actually it does have to be a code. I can't go into details of how the system works internally (obviously due to reasons dealing with security), but I can say that an offer has to have an offer code in order to work, and yes it's still a 5x5 code.

3. Actually I'm not insulting you at all, nor attempting to elicit a negative response. You stated bundle, when that's not quite what you meant. I pointed out that sometimes I (not you, but I) have trouble parsing what people say when they use phrases incorrectly. You have since clarified.

So to sum up, we were actually trying to say the same thing, but in different ways. The way you stated it confused me since what was stated was not what you meant to have communicated. I also clarified the point regarding a code, because well that's just the way it has to work internally.

Indeed. The Xbox Music Pass was already named as a part of the re-brand quite some time ago...

Of course it would be coming to Windows Phone since Windows Phone has always had access to the Music Pass services...

I kind of thought this was a given already? I'm curious as to when they're going to do the "public" launch, if any, for Xbox Music though. It just seems to be kind of wandering in without much fanfare, and parts of it are useable (albeit just rebranded Zune stuff)

~Johnny said,
I kind of thought this was a given already? I'm curious as to when they're going to do the "public" launch, if any, for Xbox Music though. It just seems to be kind of wandering in without much fanfare, and parts of it are useable (albeit just rebranded Zune stuff)

Yeah, I considered this a given as well...