Windows Phone 8 updates to be OTA, 18 month support guaranteed

Microsoft just made a big announcement and said that all Windows Phone 8 devices will get OTA updates and all devices will receive all updates for 18 months, guaranteed.

For those who use Windows Phone and have been through an update cycle, they know it is not a defined experience as to which devices will get the update. The announcement today is clearly designed to bring comfort to those who are purchasing devices for personal and corporate use.

Of course, saying you will support for 18 months and delivering on that guarantee are two different things. Microsoft just made a bold claim that strikes at the heart of Android, but rings familiar with Apple users. If Microsoft can keep this promise across all of its devices, it will be a big win for Microsoft and more importantly the consumers. 

 

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Funny how Microsoft criticised Android for its fragmentation, and now it's doing the same thing. Ballmer - go look up "Hypocrisy" in the dictionary will you.

current lumia users will just get the worst part of upgrade, Start screen which is a mess to me. That's sad. I am losing my respect for both nokia and microsoft for doing this.

S3P€hR said,
Start screen which is a mess to me.

The Start screen can be as messy or tidy as you like. Have you got any other trivial complaints you'd like to make?

Nokia has been royally screwed. Who is going to buy those shiny new Lumia Phones when they are not going to be updated to WP8.

yowanvista said,
Nokia has been royally screwed. Who is going to buy those shiny new Lumia Phones when they are not going to be updated to WP8.

yeah, they'll miss NFC which they can't use anyways. multi core support for the cores they don't have. yup. majorly screwed. too bad they can't get an update for the things their phone has...oh wait, THEY ARE getting such update.

neonspark said,

yeah, they'll miss NFC which they can't use anyways. multi core support for the cores they don't have. yup. majorly screwed. too bad they can't get an update for the things their phone has...oh wait, THEY ARE getting such update.

not getting an 0.2 version upgrade its not an really big issue but the lack of future apps will....

Even symbian seems more future proof than current wp7

I'm fairly happy with this decision as a Lumia 800 user. It is similar to what Apple offer with iOS and I foresee that apps can be easily made available to run on both hardware platforms to take advantage of new hardware/or not. Love to have Skype baked in as it's a pain to have it running and not suspended/in the background when I am expecting a call.

Companies like Nokia and HTC need to shift new handsets so having WP8 games that take advantage of new mobile GPUs is a good thing for them to promote.

marketing wise its just a mess for the 0.2 they could just put 8 even if it dont have feature.

developer wise only one thing can describe this: FRAGMENTATION. When this guy told us how windows phone 8 "scale down and up" i was pretty hype i guess its just rubbish

I expected more from a software company like microsoft to do a better software support than apple wp8 apps wont run on 7.8 devices, developers could just get lazy and only release 7.8 compatible apps without taking any advantage of how windows phone 8 platform which its M$ trying to promote....

Windows phone enviroment its just dead and with the news today its even worse than rim. They just also killed nokia in the process

eilegz said,
marketing wise its just a mess for the 0.2 they could just put 8 even if it dont have feature.

developer wise only one thing can describe this: FRAGMENTATION. When this guy told us how windows phone 8 "scale down and up" i was pretty hype i guess its just rubbish

I expected more from a software company like microsoft to do a better software support than apple wp8 apps wont run on 7.8 devices, developers could just get lazy and only release 7.8 compatible apps without taking any advantage of how windows phone 8 platform which its M$ trying to promote....

Windows phone enviroment its just dead and with the news today its even worse than rim. They just also killed nokia in the process


To be honest, I think this is the perfect time to swap out the CE kernel for Windows NT one. Sure, Windows Phone 7.5 is out there, but let's face it, very very very very very few people out there actually have a Windows Phone right now.

If Windows Phone 8 makes a mark together with Windows 8, Windows Phone 7.5 will be forgotten, together with any fragmentation that it contributed to the ecosystem (thinking backwards here, because WP8 is the one actually fragmenting stuff right now).

for me its ok, i knew this was gonna happen, they will still support users from 7.5 for a while, but is now limited, we are still getting updates, more than one i guess

bguy_1986 said,
18 months really isn't that long....
Very true considering contracts are 2 years in the US and THREE years in Canada

neonspark said,

you know how many months android gets? -18

So if WP8 launch is, for example, November the 1 2012 and you buy a device running the OS after six months you only get twelve month "guaranteed" updates....

18 months is "bold claim?"

Apple iOS devices get about twice that.

(Note: Not an iPhone user, I'd really like to like Windows Phone...)

So if Apple continues to increase the OS version number in your iPhone 3gs with 99% features missing you think they are supporting older generation models? Wake up people!

Nexus69 said,
So if Apple continues to increase the OS version number in your iPhone 3gs with 99% features missing you think they are supporting older generation models? Wake up people!
They are, plus applications are still compatible with the 3Gs (WP8 apps won't run on WP7 phones)

Nexus69 said,
So if Apple continues to increase the OS version number in your iPhone 3gs with 99% features missing you think they are supporting older generation models? Wake up people!

+1... and also, don't fool yourself... running two generation os on an iPhone really sucks as it runs like crap.

Rudy said,
They are, plus applications are still compatible with the 3Gs (WP8 apps won't run on WP7 phones)

so what you're saying is that it is best to use a medocre piece of hardware like the 3gs because it will run iOS in a slow awful way than to do what the normal person would do and just get an iphone 5? same applies to wp.

neonspark said,

so what you're saying is that it is best to use a medocre piece of hardware like the 3gs because it will run iOS in a slow awful way than to do what the normal person would do and just get an iphone 5? same applies to wp.

Right now there's no point in getting an iPhone 3Gs when most carriers are offering the 4 for free with a contract. But people who are still using an iPhone 3Gs are getting a way better experience than someone who owns a Lumia will in 2 years

Rudy said,
Right now there's no point in getting an iPhone 3Gs when most carriers are offering the 4 for free with a contract. But people who are still using an iPhone 3Gs are getting a way better experience than someone who owns a Lumia will in 2 years

The Lumia 900 user will get the same experience in two years as they will get this year. They'll be using an intuitive, productive OS that's a pleasure to use and runs as smooth as silk.

The iPhone 3GS user is currently running a pig of an OS that runs like sh*t and looks like it was developed in the mid-'90s.

I know which I would prefer

what a rubbish statement...

they are not doing something that the android havent done before, OTA updates its ambitious and lets see how it goes.

Apple in other hand its still the best mobile platform and best support aka iphone 3gs still receiving iOS6.

Nokia and microsoft messed up they are playing catch up but they screwed the fans and current customers not good thing, who its going to buy current lumia.This its the same as current issue with current blackberrys.

Um its similar to Apple's updates.

Wp7.8 gets all the non-hardware dependent features of WP8.
3GS / iPhone 4 gets all the non-hardware dependent features of iOS6.

-Razorfold said,
Um its similar to Apple's updates.

Wp7.8 gets all the non-hardware dependent features of WP8.
3GS / iPhone 4 gets all the non-hardware dependent features of iOS6.


Except for the HUGE difference in third-party app support. Current devices won't be able to run Windows Phone 8 apps.

-Razorfold said,
Um its similar to Apple's updates.

Wp7.8 gets all the non-hardware dependent features of WP8.
3GS / iPhone 4 gets all the non-hardware dependent features of iOS6.

PR wise they screw up sure wp7.8 and wp8 its pretty similar sure, but why not just name it wp8.

i just dont want to think how its gonna deal with lumia 610 tango device. fragmentation its there.... and if you see in the while summit they dont talk about how apple and google have fragmented platform anymore...

-Razorfold said,
Um its similar to Apple's updates.

Wp7.8 gets all the non-hardware dependent features of WP8.
3GS / iPhone 4 gets all the non-hardware dependent features of iOS6.

Exactly.

As long as they get things like IE10 and what not it's not the end of the world. The only downside is apps as the user base for current phones isn't exactly large, support for 7.8 could disappear rather quickly rather than a year or two. Wait and see, possible most apps may be easily ported with the dev tools as nothing will be too demanding other than games and those can be lived without.

eilegz said,
what a rubbish statement...

they are not doing something that the android havent done before, OTA updates its ambitious and lets see how it goes.

Apple in other hand its still the best mobile platform and best support aka iphone 3gs still receiving iOS6.

Nokia and microsoft messed up they are playing catch up but they screwed the fans and current customers not good thing, who its going to buy current lumia.This its the same as current issue with current blackberrys.

All the new features in iOS6 are software not hardware dependent so of course the 3GS will get the update even though it'll slow the phone to a crawl.

WP8 on the other hand has features that are dependent on hardware so that's why first gen devices, which have had regular updates anyway, won't get the full WP8 experience.

eilegz said,
what a rubbish statement...

they are not doing something that the android havent done before, OTA updates its ambitious and lets see how it goes.

Apple in other hand its still the best mobile platform and best support aka iphone 3gs still receiving iOS6.

Nokia and microsoft messed up they are playing catch up but they screwed the fans and current customers not good thing, who its going to buy current lumia.This its the same as current issue with current blackberrys.

I think users are too stupid to understand they will only get features their phone actually supports; same as Apple! The only difference is Apple says its iOS6 instead of iOS 5.x. That is where Microsoft messed up to be honest. If they said, all phones will get Windows Phone 8, their OS version will say Windows Phone 8 just crippled; or lack of features, people would logically understand. There is a reason why Apple works very well, it understands stupid.

.Neo said,

Except for the HUGE difference in third-party app support. Current devices won't be able to run Windows Phone 8 apps.

It was the same thing with Mango, actually. Apps that targeted 7.1 couldn't be installed on 7.0 devices until they were updated.

If you don't need features of the higher version SDK, don't use it yet. If you target 7.8, your app will be compatible with both 7.8 and 8.

rfirth said,

It was the same thing with Mango, actually. Apps that targeted 7.1 couldn't be installed on 7.0 devices until they were updated.

If you don't need features of the higher version SDK, don't use it yet. If you target 7.8, your app will be compatible with both 7.8 and 8.

but then it wont take any advantage of windows phone 8 platform....

eilegz said,

but then it wont take any advantage of windows phone 8 platform....


If the system is similar to the the one in place now, you can update your app in a matter of seconds. It's just a matter of right clicking on your VS project, selecting properties and set it the SDK to WP8 and press compile.

.Neo said,

Except for the HUGE difference in third-party app support. Current devices won't be able to run Windows Phone 8 apps.

any iphone that doesn't support the latest iOS can't run apps written for the new sdk. IT IS EXACTLY LIKE APPLE. educate yourself.

eilegz said,
what a rubbish statement...

they are not doing something that the android havent done before, OTA updates its ambitious and lets see how it goes.

Apple in other hand its still the best mobile platform and best support aka iphone 3gs still receiving iOS6.

Nokia and microsoft messed up they are playing catch up but they screwed the fans and current customers not good thing, who its going to buy current lumia.This its the same as current issue with current blackberrys.

The fact that Android vendors abandon their users as soon as the device ships tells me that Microsoft will provide a much more robust alternative to Android based on the said announcements. You may like to shell out close to a grand for an unlocked smart phone only to find that within 6months you're told that you'll receive no more updates or upgrades but some of us expect at least 2 years minimum worth of updates and upgrades for a device priced at such an amount.

rfirth said,

It was the same thing with Mango, actually. Apps that targeted 7.1 couldn't be installed on 7.0 devices until they were updated.

If you don't need features of the higher version SDK, don't use it yet. If you target 7.8, your app will be compatible with both 7.8 and 8.


He was making a comparison with iOS which doesn't make any sense.

-Razorfold said,
Um its similar to Apple's updates.

Wp7.8 gets all the non-hardware dependent features of WP8.
3GS / iPhone 4 gets all the non-hardware dependent features of iOS6.

Does WP 7.8 add NFC?

Zlip792 said,
Isn't current devices only get half love of WP7.8 rather than full love of WP8?
I find it funny they say 18 months, what about all those suckers who buy a lumia, 6 months of support... now i know why nokia releasing exclusive apps, because they screwed their consumer base.

Frankly, most of the new features in Windows Phone 8 are hardware based - Windows 7.8 get most of the new UI features to go along with it.

Well 7.8 will have all the software only features of WP8 (with the exception of Wp8 apps). The hardware features cannot be included since well the hardware doesn't exist.

~Johnny said,
Frankly, most of the new features in Windows Phone 8 are hardware based - Windows 7.8 get most of the new UI features to go along with it.

What he said

We'll see what's all in 7.8, but Thurrott has indicated that things that are not hardware dependant will be in WinPhone 7.8

~Johnny said,
Frankly, most of the new features in Windows Phone 8 are hardware based - Windows 7.8 get most of the new UI features to go along with it.
WP8 apps won't run on WP7....

Rudy said,
WP8 apps won't run on WP7....

Developers can just choose to code for WP7 (unless their apps require a hardware feature not found) and then upgrade it to WP8 at a later point in time. If it uses the same method that 7.0 apps got updated to 7.5, it takes about a second.

Rudy said,
WP8 apps won't run on WP7....

WP7 apps run on WP8, so devs can still, for now, target WP7.5 and then switch to native WP8 apps sometime in 2013 if they want.

Sraf said,

What he said

We'll see what's all in 7.8, but Thurrott has indicated that things that are not hardware dependant will be in WinPhone 7.8

And if that's the case, that's fine and to be expected. I just hope that all of the software updates come to current phones. My only concern is that the kernel specific improvements (Which is most of it at this point that they've shown off) won't be coming, so that's a little bit different still.

GP007 said,

WP7 apps run on WP8, so devs can still, for now, target WP7.5 and then switch to native WP8 apps sometime in 2013 if they want.


Or what will actually happen, develop for Windows 8 and WP8 only.

zikalify said,
I find it funny they say 18 months, what about all those suckers who buy a lumia, 6 months of support... now i know why nokia releasing exclusive apps, because they screwed their consumer base.

they still get an update. just not windows phone 8. MSFT isn't promising windows phone 9 if you buy a device that supports 8. they are just promising you won't be a sucket like all those guys buying android devices that will never see a single update.

Zlip792 said,
Isn't current devices only get half love of WP7.8 rather than full love of WP8?

Nothing has been said regarding Windows Phone 8 and compatibility.

neonspark said,

they still get an update. just not windows phone 8. MSFT isn't promising windows phone 9 if you buy a device that supports 8. they are just promising you won't be a sucket like all those guys buying android devices that will never see a single update.

Well, we don't know about WP9 but I doubt they'll change the core again, in which case WP8 devices should also get WP9 because the core isn't changing. WP7 devices not getting all of WP8 is really do to kernel/core changes between the two (moving from WinCE to WinNT).

the better twin said,

Or what will actually happen, develop for Windows 8 and WP8 only.

Maybe, devs would have to kinda be silly to flat out cut off the current market, I don't expect they will. At some point we'll get bigger apps that will require WP8, that I'm sure, but if it works out how I expect that will be around the time where most, if not all of the current gen1 and 1.5 owners have updated to a new phone or are going to.

GP007 said,

Well, we don't know about WP9 but I doubt they'll change the core again, in which case WP8 devices should also get WP9 because the core isn't changing. WP7 devices not getting all of WP8 is really do to kernel/core changes between the two (moving from WinCE to WinNT).


Kernel is different, but the hardware that runs WP7 can just as easily run the current NT kernel. CPU is ARM and for the rest, we have drivers

Shadowzz said,

Kernel is different, but the hardware that runs WP7 can just as easily run the current NT kernel. CPU is ARM and for the rest, we have drivers

Well, you make it sound simple but look at it this way. Flash back to when Vista released, it brought with it a whole new driver model and other lower level subsystem changes, even though the kernel was more or less still NT. One new feature that tied into the new subsystems and driver model was DirectX 10.

I still remember the project to bring DirectX 10 to XP. They made it sound like no big deal and that it should just work but how did that turn out? After I don't know how many months of trying they folded up and called it quits. No DX10 on XP. This kind of shift off of the CE core to NT core also brings other changes, like the new driver model as well. It'll be worht trying, and I'm sure the hackers will try and get it on current devices. If they can or not I don't know, only time will tell. I'm just saying the change is pretty big.

Shadowzz said,

Kernel is different, but the hardware that runs WP7 can just as easily run the current NT kernel. CPU is ARM and for the rest, we have drivers

Yes, drivers... for WinCE, not for NT.