Windows Phone sales up 5X during Christmas week 2012 compared to 2011

 

Microsoft is not at CES 2013 with a full exhibit and a press conference of its own but the company will still have a presence in Las Vegas this week. That apparently includes Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer, who "crashed" Qualcomm's CES press conference on Monday.

Bloomberg posted up a video of Ballmer's appearance as he shared the stage with Qualcomm CEO Paul Jacobs. Qualcomm makes the Snapdragon processors that run nearly all of the smartphones that have Windows Phone inside. Ballmer showed off the previously launched Nokia Lumia 920 and HTC Windows Phone 8X to the audience. Ballmer mentioned that sales of Windows Phone devices during Christmas week 2012 increased by five times the number that were sold during Christmas 2011.

Ballmer also showed off two previously announced Windows RT tablets, the Samsung ATIV Tab and the Dell XPS 10, that run on Qualcomm Snapdragon chips. Ballmer said that there were now four times the number of Windows RT apps available to download than there were when Windows RT launched and 10,000 apps were added just in December.

It's interesting that Ballmer choose to make an appearance at Qualcomm's CES 2013 press conference, rather than NVIDIA's event on Sunday (NVIDIA Tegra processor is inside the Windows RT version of the Surface) or Intel's press conference on Monday, which had a ton of Windows 8 PCs and tablets shown on stage.

Source: Bloomberg

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I've only seen one person in Australia with a Windows phone over the last few months. There are tonnes of iOS/Android devices out here (iPhone and Android dominate the market). The Windows phone I saw was a HTC device. Nokia must really be struggling. Android is the answer Nokia. Nothing like true openness.

The main advantage of Nokia is PureView, this technology is pretty awesome however Nokia commited two mistake :make a deal with Microsoft (aka pact with the devil) and launch a product plagued with bugs (that months later they can fix). However, the harm was done and now most manufacturer are working in alternatives to PureView. Now, Nokia should really care about the (grim) future of windows phone 8 while Microsoft don't care about the future of Nokia and Lumia.

68k said,
Android is the answer Nokia. Nothing like true openness.

Nice try. Demand for Nokia WP devices are outstripping supply. You look over to china and see them selling out entire shipments in 17 minutes. It's like iPhone3gs over there with long lineups and hurt feelings when the last unit is sold.

Carrier exclusives in north america are slowing adoption of their flavour of hardware.
Android is not an answer, it's another cost center.
People who say the best thing about Android is it's Openness need to also understand that's its greatest weakness.
This is why Samsung and Microsoft are the only ones profiting from Android atm.

THey arent, they are just lazy. As Google stated, Google Maps is designed to work best with browsers based on Webkit, such as Chrome and Safari. Internet Explorer on Windows Phone is essentially the desktop version compiled to run on a smaller device. IE breaks the Google Maps functions and requires a slew of code to help IE work properly.

Its not hard as well designers typically use to code for IE as priority and then add special code for certain browsers. This is especially common with CSS or templated based web sites. I did a few and I can say, adding code for browsers like Opera and FireFox to make them render stuff like IE does is a PITA. So I understand Google's issues.

However, as a developer, they have to understand it isn't Microsoft's job to just be easy. MS has always been non-compliant for a very good reason. I personally prefer IE's rendering of web and it tools because it insures you see exactly what they want and when you need too. Google just needs to shut up and make it work which they can and are doing.

They like APple who was crying about Flash, simply make lame excuses not to support another devs platform when they have one of their own. WebKit browsers in my opinion are to slow, they dont render properly, they are even slower when any media is present on the page, they are very insecure just as much as IE can be. They are just as easy to exploit, especially at desktop level and it essentiallymakes all browsers based on them the same. Its like Android is to each OEM, same OS, just a different skin on top. That is what webkit is. Its a lazy mans SDK where all the work has been done already by the dev. All you have to do is skin the UI to your tastes and add a few things that maybe the other guy didnt think of.

If his numbers are right, then they sold about 10 to 12 million phones this Christmas, Android and Apple combined sold 17 million phones and tablets together estimated, wow, maybe Microsoft phone is back after all

john.smith_2084 said,
If his numbers are right, then they sold about 10 to 12 million phones this Christmas, Android and Apple combined sold 17 million phones and tablets together estimated, wow, maybe Microsoft phone is back after all

This is the kind of post that starts rumors. Let's wait for some real numbers. I highly doubt they sold more phones than iPhones, iPads, and Androids during the holidays.

john.smith_2084 said,
If his numbers are right, then they sold about 10 to 12 million phones this Christmas, Android and Apple combined sold 17 million phones and tablets together estimated, wow, maybe Microsoft phone is back after all

It is highly unlikely that WP sold more than Android phones+tablets combined. I love my WP but that is just absurd.

john.smith_2084 said,
If his numbers are right, then they sold about 10 to 12 million phones this Christmas, Android and Apple combined sold 17 million phones and tablets together estimated, wow, maybe Microsoft phone is back after all

I'm positive about Windows Phone but even I can tell those numbers don't add up, not in our universe.

nokia is reported to have sold 10 mill lumias in the quarter. HTC and Samsung probably make up a few million. This is a massive gain ,and Windows Phone is growing pretty fast.

This is XBOX all over again.

This is far from Xbox all over again! The mobile market is much different than the gaming market. Keep grabbing Windows phone fans.

vcfan said,
nokia is reported to have sold 10 mill lumias in the quarter. HTC and Samsung probably make up a few million. This is a massive gain ,and Windows Phone is growing pretty fast.

This is XBOX all over again.


vcfan said,
nokia is reported to have sold 10 mill lumias in the quarter. HTC and Samsung probably make up a few million. This is a massive gain ,and Windows Phone is growing pretty fast.

This is XBOX all over again.


wait...do you mean 920 will have RROD? I want to buy it but you have scared me now.


(I am not a troll but when Xbox saw success, it also faced RROD)

JHBrown said,
This is far from Xbox all over again! The mobile market is much different than the gaming market. Keep grabbing Windows phone fans.

It's definitely a different market but on the other hand people have been predicting the death of Microsoft for decades now. Everytime Microsoft waited too long to pick up on a trend but eventually they went all-in and came out on top.

I'm not saying that will happen this time. Microsoft screwed up, the market is saturated and it will take them forever to become relevant. However they are all-in and these are positive signs. Nobody expected them to beat PS3 either, especially after the troubled start (PROD) but Xbox is now huge.

In one generation they went from being the third wheel to being an important player. How important? Important enough for the BBC to bring an app to the platform (that should be a KPI for any competitor of Apple )

Just like the Original Xbox, WP7 is the third wheel. And with Microsoft's history I can understand the comparison. Not saying it will happen but it makes more sense than those that predict the death of Microsoft.

Not sure what you mean by "Microsoft waited too long to pick up on a trend". They've been in Mobile for ages. Stuff like Windows Mobile and even CE was around for over a decade. It just happened to be more business orientated. They previously had far bigger market share and they're only starting to recover. Rather than waiting too long it's more a case of "dropping the ball"

technikal said,
Not sure what you mean by "Microsoft waited too long to pick up on a trend". They've been in Mobile for ages. Stuff like Windows Mobile and even CE was around for over a decade. It just happened to be more business orientated. They previously had far bigger market share and they're only starting to recover. Rather than waiting too long it's more a case of "dropping the ball"

The first paragraph was more in general but missing out on the rise of consumer interest in smartphones is another good example. All the OEMs (incl. Samsung and even Sony) knocked on Microsoft's door to save them from the iPhone. Android was just a nobody and the OEMs saw the trend and knew they needed an ecosystem. Microsoft hardly invested in WM up to 6.1 and their consumer friendly 6.5 was a joke. No wonder Samsung and Sony quite after just a few WinMo phones.

But I was speaking more in general. Like the browser, Microsoft was late to the party and they had to kill companies to gain their position. Gates didn't even believe the internet would be that important. Gates saw the tablet but throwing Windows XP on a laptop without a keyboard doesnt make a great product. The last 10 years Microsoft failed to see any of the new trends. They didn't have to build it all themselves but Google was smart enough to buy thirdparty services (Youtube) and products (Android).

So Microsoft failed to use their position and cash to their advantage and now Google and Apple are just as big (if not bigger). It's their own fault but its nice to see them finally taking a risk. I'm happy that MS saved Apple because in a way Apple is now saving MS.

ballmer, you're great but you need to go. let the young blood transform MSFT into the company it needs to be in the next decade. not some doscile cat but an aggressive attack dog that resembles the MSFT of the 90s. That is what it takes in the cut throat mobile space.

Why does he need to go...give a reason? The only CEO's who get ousted is when the company is having problems and the CEO cant turn it around to be profitable. Microsoft has been profitable every single year he has been CEO. LET ME REPEAT IT LOUD AND CLEAR. MICROSOFT HAS BEEN PROFITABLE EVERY SINGLE YEAR BALLMER HAS BEEN CEO.

Also remember this, its the Microsoft board who votes on what happens next. I am sure Gates wont let Ballmer ruin his hard work.

Ballmer is doing a good job. PR-wise, MS isn't being treated any worse or better than when Gates was the CEO. Get off Ballmer and Company. He has something u will NEVER have...boats loads of money and he could give 2 cents about what you think.

that article is totally wrong. ballmer said compared to Christmas week 2011, 2012 was 5 times.
but the article takes 2011 Q4 total which is 2.75 million. in fact it should have taken 2011 Christmas week sales which would be about 200k(just a guess). multiply it by 5 its only 1 million.

still1 said,
that article is totally wrong. ballmer said compared to Christmas week 2011, 2012 was 5 times.
but the article takes 2011 Q4 total which is 2.75 million. in fact it should have taken 2011 Christmas week sales which would be about 200k(just a guess). multiply it by 5 its only 1 million.

The article addresses that:

Hold on a minute though, Ballmer said Christmas, not Q4. The Christmas in my mind is the four weeks between Thanksgiving and December (i.e. the last pay cheque before the holidays). I'll let WP have 4.5 for four weeks, but 3.5 times for the previous nine weeks (i.e. the lowest number that can be rounded up to Ballmer's four times).

That gives us 9,519,230 - give or take, that's a conservative nine and a half million. If you take the more generous numbers and the upper estimates and rounding errors, you can estimate sales of 13,263,281.

Assuming Christmas sales is only the week of Christmas is totally wrong. Traditionally the Christmas shopping season starts with Black Friday, and NPD shows that more and more shopping is shifting to the early part of the shopping season:

https://www.npd.com/wps/portal...day-sales-according-to-npd/

The 9M-13M estimate range is sound.

Edited by ModernMech, Jan 8 2013, 4:16pm :

still1 said,
that article is totally wrong. ballmer said compared to Christmas week 2011, 2012 was 5 times.
but the article takes 2011 Q4 total which is 2.75 million. in fact it should have taken 2011 Christmas week sales which would be about 200k(just a guess). multiply it by 5 its only 1 million.

the last few months Microsoft has been saying that windows phone is selling 4 times what it was last year. so sales are up in the 4-5 range total. this easily puts it over 10 million.

still1 said,
that article is totally wrong. ballmer said compared to Christmas week 2011, 2012 was 5 times.
but the article takes 2011 Q4 total which is 2.75 million. in fact it should have taken 2011 Christmas week sales which would be about 200k(just a guess). multiply it by 5 its only 1 million.
YOu are a loser. There lost of stores that opened right on Thanksgiving Day and remained open until early hours on XMAS day. That means thsi year we had 34 complete days of shopping. Are you really going to claim Microsoft couldn't sell anywhere from 9M to 12M phones that are available in at least 50 countries? There are over 120,000 apps already which is MORE than Apple and Google had in the same amount of time. Remember Apple didnt even have apps its first year with iPhone. It was the jailbreak community that made it possible and Apple then jumped in the following year.

You Microsoft bashers are a hateful, under educated, clueless bunch of sorry people. Please grown up!

Windows Phone sales increased five times over 2011? All five people bought Windows Phones this year for Christmas?!? That's wonderful news! :-P

OMG you're sooooooo funny!! Sooooo original as well! I didn't see that one coming! Not seen it a million times before or anything. Wow man, you are so funny.

thealexweb said,
Swap out the title for Chromebook and you would be hailed like a god on this forum for that comment XD
Nah, Chromebook is the number 1 selling laptop on Amazon. Where number 2 is a Macbook.

thealexweb said,
Swap out the title for Chromebook and you would be hailed like a god on this forum for that comment XD

No, nobody would care. I have brought up Chromebook a number of times not to mock the device, but to show how every manufacturer has their product that is not as popular as their other products and to show how absurd these arguments, such as the one still1 used. WP is not as popular as Windows, Mac is not as popular as the iPhone, Chromebook is not as popular as Android.

honestly, don't you get tired of commenting the same thing over and over again?

the last time you said something like: "what, so they sold 10 now?"
and here you are again: "500 now?"

such a troll....tsk, tsk.

still1 said,
if you getting 10 million from here http://allaboutwindowsphone.co...s_5_times_more_could_me.php then i will post this again

"that article is totally wrong. ballmer said compared to Christmas week 2011, 2012 was 5 times.
but the article takes 2011 Q4 total which is 2.75 million. in fact it should have taken 2011 Christmas week sales which would be about 200k(just a guess). multiply it by 5 its only 1 million."

If APple shouts we sold 10M phones and tablets on a weekend, no one and I mean NO ONE ever questions the numbers, but if it's Microsoft, OH MY LORD here comes the troll patrol out to question. Microsoft has no reason to lie. Have they ever lied about sells numbers? You idiots think Vista was such a failure, yet they still sold over 350M licenses. Whether they got used or not, once Microsoft sells them to OEM's its a sales, whether the laptop it gets install on is sold doesnt matter to Microsoft. There numbers are based on licenses sold, not how many devices actually sold. That is how they normally count them.

Every phone as with iOS or Android requires activation. Each activation is unique. I am sure Microsoft can see how many Windows Phone were activated over the holidays just as Apple and Google can see their own. Even Steve Jobs tried to claim Google was counting activations more than once with no proof.

You Microsoft bashers are just like him, you question everything Microsoft. WHY?! Google is on track to have over 500M devices activate in 2012. Once they anouce it are you going to doubt them? What about when Apple says they sold over 60M iOS based devices last year, are you going to question it? If you arent and I dont see any post from you criticizing their numbers, than stop being a frikkin hypocrite and do it here.

To be honest every time that an article mentions Apple sales I see a huge amount of people questioniong the validity of the data, the source of the info etc., etc. .

Nothing new.....

Fritzly said,
To be honest every time that an article mentions Apple sales I see a huge amount of people questioniong the validity of the data, the source of the info etc., etc. .

Nothing new.....


tbh I have never seen anyone question Apple's sales numbers. I have seen some scrutiny of Google but not at Microsoft level. And this on Neowin!