Windows RT to get a Blue update as well

If you were away from the Internet yesterday, you probably missed the fact that a build of Windows Blue, 9364, has leaked. To get yourself caught up on everything that you missed, you can check out all our coverage here.

Seeing that the build is now in the hands of thousands, we fully expect every feature to be outed and all of the hidden gems to be uncovered as individuals dig deeper into the build. One such individual, Stephen Chapman, has done just that and discovered, as previously expected, that "Blue" is not limited to Windows 8.

Noted deep in the heart of the leaked build are references to other version of Windows Blue, including one for Windows RT. This should not be a major surprise as it would be foolish for Microsoft to update Windows 8 with new features but leave Windows RT out of the update cycle.

In addition to Windows RT, the leaked version of Windows Blue indicates that Windows Server will get the Blue update as well.

While the exact details of the updates for Server are still a mystery, it would seem highly likely that the changes and new features coming to Windows RT will mirror those seen in the Windows 8 version of Blue.

Source: MSFTKitchen

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Apologies if this has been addressed/asked already but does anyone know if this effects the "unlock" script that currently allows you to run unsigned apps? I used it on my cousins surface RT to get her a (real) start menu.

Well this was expected. Now my only question is it coming to Windows Phone 8 as it has been rumored to be? I'm surprised that hasn't been found yet.

mnl1121 said,
Well this was expected. Now my only question is it coming to Windows Phone 8 as it has been rumored to be? I'm surprised that hasn't been found yet.

This has already been leaked/announced. WP8 Blue will be coming closer to the end of the year. Probably November.

Being that Blue is more of a shift in product development that spans the NT Kernel, than a product itself, why is this news?

I bet when the Blue WP8 release is announced it will be major headline news here as well.

deadonthefloor said,
Being that Blue is more of a shift in product development that spans the NT Kernel, than a product itself, why is this news?

I bet twhen the Blue WP8 release is announced it will be major headline news here as well.


I think it will and right so. I have a WP8 device and I am definitely interested to know what Blue will bring to my device.

Well, I like what Microsoft doing with metro or we should say modern interface but what about desktop, and I am not talking about start menu and I don't really care, my main concern is White which is every where on desktop it hurts my eyes, I am running my monitor with lowest brightness and contrast.

I want a better darker theme like office 2013 dark gray or any thing that doesn't hurt.

sat2012 said,
Well, I like what Microsoft doing with metro or we should say modern interface but what about desktop, and I am not talking about start menu and I don't really care, my main concern is White which is every where on desktop it hurts my eyes, I am running my monitor with lowest brightness and contrast.

I want a better darker theme like office 2013 dark gray or any thing that doesn't hurt.


I would like to see the "Black" theme been brought back to Office; it was my favorite one.

It seems to be inspired from visual studio 2012, I like that but something more practical would be good like light grayish or something that looks natural.

I wonder when there will be *an option* to completely do away with the traditional desktop in W8 (x64) on a desktop pc. I'd happily just use the modern ui apps.

If you can do that, I'm not sure you even need a desktop PC. Get a Surface RT, which should probably drop the Desktop Environment if for no other reason that performance. The Tegra 3 isn't as bad as Windows RT makes it seem.

I am loving the fact that blue is coming along but I think they missing out on a re design of the icons in the desktop mode, as they are old I think in keeping with the modern UI it would be nice to see a change there as well as in the folder icons

hopefully a merged marketplace / store. I'd love for my wallet to be the same for my tablets/phone and be able to use gift cards / app purchases for any device I have with the same gift card / app purchase.

spudtrooper said,
hopefully a merged marketplace / store. I'd love for my wallet to be the same for my tablets/phone and be able to use gift cards / app purchases for any device I have with the same gift card / app purchase.

I think we will definitely see these kind of convergences; I also hope MS will overhaul the Calendar, the email client, add VPN etc. etc.

Sometimes I feel like Neowin misunderstands the meaning of the word "News." This, for example, is not news, especially given Microsoft reaffirmed their commitment to RT what, a week ago?

Dot Matrix said,

Many here, who for some strange reason, want Windows RT to die out.

While more RT products might not be announced I doubt they would cut support for it so soon. It would be a huge blow for the people who did buy one

Rudy said,
While more RT products might not be announced I doubt they would cut support for it so soon. It would be a huge blow for the people who did buy one

Personally, I think Windows RT is the future. Microsoft wouldn't have invested all that time and money building a product they have no intention of carrying forward long term.

Dot Matrix said,

Personally, I think Windows RT is the future. Microsoft wouldn't have invested all that time and money building a product they have no intention of carrying forward long term.

Not so fast! The ARM architecture is inferior to x86-64 and others its only power consumption bringing them down. Give Intel and AMD a year or two and I think they'll be walkin in the door with a whole lotta booze.

Edited by ingramator, Mar 25 2013, 2:31pm :

ingramator said,

Not so fast! The ARM architecture is inferior to x86-64 and others its only power consumption bringing them down. Give Intel and AMD a year or two and I'll think they'll be walkin in the door with a whole lotta booze.

x86 is more powerful but ARM's power is increasing year on year at a much faster rate than than x86 is so ARM will catch up eventually.

thealexweb said,

x86 is more powerful but ARM's power is increasing year on year at a much faster rate than than x86 is so ARM will catch up eventually.

that's the biggest crock of you know what that ive heard. ARM has pretty much peaked. Chip manufacturers keep adding cores to increase performance because single threaded performance has plateaued. They got away with this for a little bit because the die kept shrinking, but the power envelope is increasing. The architecture is so primitive that this was bound to happen. How do you think it is known for low power consumption?

And benchmarks are bull**** because these chips are being benched using all the cores, while over %95 of software is single threaded. When you see a benchmark saying 2X performance, well no **** because you doubled the cores. And notice how they don't show you the power envelope for that performance gain? Exactly.

did you hear about samsungs new exynos that has 8 cores?it uses an architecture called big.LITTLE. 4 A15s that are power hungry,and 4 low powerA7 cores. The chip dynamically swithches between them to preserve power. This is the kinds of stuff they have to resort to now.

Right? I don't get why this is news. It was obvious that they'd update all Windows 8/RT versiosn (if anybody thought they'd leave them as the are, they're dreaming, or more precisely having a nightmare). I'm curious to see how the update will differ from my RT device to my 8 machine, if at all.

Also, the difference from T3 to T4 performance is mainly due to going from Cortex A9 ARM cores to Cortex A15 which are much more powerful. Also, the GPU is bumped from 12 cores to 72 which should be quite noticeable. These cores are still quite "weak" though since they're specialized and not compute cores, that will arrive in T5 next year when they integrate Kepler cores.

thealexweb said,

Nvidea claims Tegra 4 has twice the power of Tegra 3 and yet it doesn't have any more cores (I think).

at what power envelope? did they reveal how much power is consumed at 2x speed? Of course not. There is a reason. This is just marketing speak. The chip will not give you 2x power increase with the same power consumption as a tegra 3. It just wont happen. Do you remember tegra 3? How it was supposed to be this unbelievable chip? Well it turned out to be all marketing and no substance.

edit: OK I found some info about power consumption. The project shield console will have a battery 38 watt hours, that basically 5x the battery capacity of a phone. Nvidia says 5-10 hours of gaming. So at not even full peak, on a phone that equals 1-2 hours of gaming. Remember,the project shield is also probably clocked higher,and again you're not going to get that 2x performance because that's peak performance increase,not average.

Edited by vcfan, Mar 25 2013, 3:22pm :

Dot Matrix said,

Personally, I think Windows RT is the future. Microsoft wouldn't have invested all that time and money building a product they have no intention of carrying forward long term.

While I think that RT could have its place in the market I do not think it will be the future. Intel is not sleeping; actually I see more and more Intel' powered phones in the future.

vcfan said,

snip

Intel and Nvidea's claims on power efficiency are as bad as each others in terms of inaccuracy most of the time. Intel has been promising for years, that this year will be different and that they've made the breakthrough.

Anyway Nvidia says Tegra 4 will use less power than Tegra 3 due to better efficiently. In reality they'll probably be about the same.

thealexweb said,

Intel and Nvidea's claims on power efficiency are as bad as each others in terms of inaccuracy most of the time. Intel has been promising for years, that this year will be different and that they've made the breakthrough.

Anyway Nvidia says Tegra 4 will use less power than Tegra 3 due to better efficiently. In reality they'll probably be about the same.

no way it uses less power. the a15 has already been power benchmarked,and it uses 3x more power than krait,tegra3 and atom z2760 cores. The die shrink will help it with power,but to say it uses less power than tegra 3 is insane.

btw intel z2760 lives up to the hype. It has the best cpu performance to power ratio to all current arm chips on the market,and its still using a 5 year old architecture.

vcfan said,

that's the biggest crock of you know what that ive heard. ARM has pretty much peaked. Chip manufacturers keep adding cores to increase performance because single threaded performance has plateaued. They got away with this for a little bit because the die kept shrinking, but the power envelope is increasing. The architecture is so primitive that this was bound to happen. How do you think it is known for low power consumption?

And benchmarks are bull**** because these chips are being benched using all the cores, while over %95 of software is single threaded. When you see a benchmark saying 2X performance, well no **** because you doubled the cores. And notice how they don't show you the power envelope for that performance gain? Exactly.

did you hear about samsungs new exynos that has 8 cores?it uses an architecture called big.LITTLE. 4 A15s that are power hungry,and 4 low powerA7 cores. The chip dynamically swithches between them to preserve power. This is the kinds of stuff they have to resort to now.


I agree that arm is less powerful, but you ignore the fact that current arm processors are capable enough for cloud computing which is the future. Longer battery life is the key which is exactly where x86-x64 is weak at. Besides, arm is open architecture unlike intel's owned architecture. It will bring more innovation on hardwares which you see even right now.

S3P€hR said,

I agree that arm is less powerful, but you ignore the fact that current arm processors are capable enough for cloud computing which is the future. Longer battery life is the key which is exactly where x86-x64 is weak at. Besides, arm is open architecture unlike intel's owned architecture. It will bring more innovation on hardwares which you see even right now.

you know what else is enough for cloud computing? my atmega8 8mhz microprocessor. If everything is processed in the cloud,then you can use any POS slow cpu.In fact,arm doesn't even make a dent in the amount of slow microprocessors there are today. And what you are talking isn't here,or wont be for a long long time,so what the hell should i care today? seems like the marketing speak works on you. and x86 has better performance to power ratio today than arm. your information is outdated my friend. it may have been true a year or two ago, but things have changed since then. here is some material for you to search for. try these terms and come back and tell me what you just said. clover trail,bay trail, haswell. check out the power and performance tests of clover trail on anandtech.