Windows Vista comes with 19,500 drivers on DVD

...and more on Windows Update. Oh thats why its more than 2 Gig - Ed

Ever needed to find a driver for a product and wished Windows would either just have the driver in it, or that their Windows Update service could provide it? With Vista, it can – and new features and updates will be forthcoming too. It's about time! At the Windows Vista Team Blog, Jim Allchin, the Chief of Microsoft's Vista development effort and long-time Microsoft employee, soon to retire after having completed Vista at last, has advised readers that Windows Vista has more drivers built-in at launch than any previous version Windows.

While computer users will always want to see if the manufacturer has newer, specific drivers that eke out the best performance from peripherals and hardware add-ons, having as many drivers native in Windows as possible, and thousands of additional new drivers available on Windows Update just has to be a good thing to make life easier for computer users long used to having driver issues with XP and earlier Windows versions.

Allchin tells us that since Vista went RTM, an addition 11,700 drivers are now ready and waiting for you if you add a new peripheral to your computer, although you should naturally always try loading the drivers that came with your new hardware from CD first.

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Some drivers that I needed were on update, which is no big deal. I would prefer a smaller install and a custom made DVD. Thank God vlite is being developed.

This is for all guys who cant read --> Jim Allchin said that total of 19500 drivers available on DVD and 11700 are done after the RTM. Means these 11700 are not on the RTM DVD, but will be available through windows updates...

Go read the windows vista blog and u'll realize what he meant rather than read from other news sources... http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsv...ew-product.aspx


And most hardware will work on 30th Jan, when vista is launched to consumers with the help windows update!!

It still looks to me like Vista is being rushed out the door.

While I know that there were some vendors who lagged XP's RTM (Creative and their Live drivers seem to be a repeat offender now), I never saw this kind of major hardware driver lag with XP's release.

There are MULTIPLE MAJOR vendors who don't have solid drivers on the RTM for Vista...period.

"Windows Vista comes with 19,500 drivers on DVD"


Yeah and my UBS drives won't because no driver/s for them while they all worked fine in every Beta & RC release.. Good Job M$

Yeah, same here. My ATI IGP 345G Graphics card on my laptop worked fine with every single version of windows and beta/RC release except RTM. Good job MS

Quote - master_viper said @ #29
"Windows Vista comes with 19,500 drivers on DVD"


Yeah and my UBS drives won't because no driver/s for them while they all worked fine in every Beta & RC release.. Good Job M$

gah go away with the M$ crap, go whine to the company that made your usb drives as it is not windows fault that there is no drivers yet the manufacturer of the product you bought, or even better steal the buggy drivers from the rc builds if your that damn desperate

Quote - HoochieMamma said @ #29.1
Yeah, same here. My ATI IGP 345G Graphics card on my laptop worked fine with every single version of windows and beta/RC release except RTM. Good job MS :/

Also another person, it isnt microsofts job to write amd drivers for your graphix card, maybe you should be pestering amd instead or the manufacture of your laptop or mainboard or whatever to support it properly

Yeah and my UBS drives won't because no driver/s for them while they all worked fine in every Beta & RC release.. Good Job M$

Yeah, same here. My ATI IGP 345G Graphics card on my laptop worked fine with every single version of windows and beta/RC release except RTM. Good job MS

That just means that those companies just made some crappy exceses of the drivers.
When the RTM day came, MS just said they don't want that crappy unstable **** in their OS and threw them away.

Quote - DKAngel said @ #29.2

gah go away with the M$ crap, go whine to the company that made your usb drives as it is not windows fault that there is no drivers yet the manufacturer of the product you bought, or even better steal the buggy drivers from the rc builds if your that damn desperate

MM look another M$ Fanboy, I bet you have Bill Gates number on speed dial to suck up to him.

With RC2 there were no drivers for my HP Scanjet 3400c scanner nor the Logitech Quickcam Web. And I don't think that's some strange or unkown hardware. It's a shame that you are "forced" to upgrade your peripherics if you want to use Vista. So what sense do 19500 drivers make if the ones you need are not there ?

Quote - Islander said @ #28
With RC2 there were no drivers for my HP Scanjet 3400c scanner nor the Logitech Quickcam Web. And I don't think that's some strange or unkown hardware. It's a shame that you are "forced" to upgrade your peripherics if you want to use Vista. So what sense do 19500 drivers make if the ones you need are not there ? :(

Jesus! If anyones forcing you to upgrade its the manufacturers of your peripherals! It isn't Microsoft's job to write drivers for every piece of hardware ever made, they only do to try and help out the end user. I myself are having to upgrade my soundcard as Creative have no development plans for Vista drivers for the soundcard i have. No biggie.

What would be great would be some sort of reporting back feature where you could log the success or failure of a driver on your hardware combination. This could go into a big database so when someone else is looking for a driver for a specific piece of hardware, it could recommend them another driver which other users have reported to work.

I guess it would be like an automated version of posting a message in a forum asking if XYZ piece of hardware works in Vista.

19500 Drivers and STILL no creative X-Fi Driver. Why did I spend my money on freaking Creative. You would think they would get with the times and get their drivers done. Guess they don't care about the consumer.

"and more on Windows Update"
heh. There comes the workaround killer. A lot of people will be sad soon. Thanks for me, I dont want vista even if is for free

Why would they?

It's not like you are going to buy a NEW PC with Vista and no Internet at home. Then why would you be interested? Haha.

But yeah, keep it trolling. I mean, rolling.

Quote - Rodrigo said @ #24.1
Why would they?

It's not like you are going to buy a NEW PC with Vista and no Internet at home. Then why would you be interested? Haha.

If you buy a new PC with Vista preloaded, why would you give a damn about legacy drivers?

Furthermore, how is going to Windows Update different than the way it's always been done with XP?

Lastly, who the hell uses outdated Windows drivers anyway? The manufacturers always have newer versions. Does MS now claim they will stay up to date on these drivers? Will they be certified?

How about the Sound Blaster Live sound card? Anyone know if it is supported now, because it wasn't in RC2, and Creative has no plans to develop a driver for it. Maybe the KX project will.

Creative has said they will not create Vista drivers for the "Live" or Live Value" cards, and MS will not either. When I finally got a reply from Creative they just gave me a link to the sound cards that are supported in Vista. I have a "Live" card which is crap now, so I ordered an "X-Fi Xtreme". I didn't want to, but the OS was free so I guess I'm still ahead of the game.

I used the latest kX drivers for my SB Live! 5.1 card. It sounded great and all speakers worked, but the kX driver wasn't fully compatible with the Vista sound control panel.

Quote - mintbiskit said @ #20.2
I used the latest kX drivers for my SB Live! 5.1 card. It sounded great and all speakers worked, but the kX driver wasn't fully compatible with the Vista sound control panel.

Yeah, I looked in the forums of the kX project, and Vista support is being worked on, so at least there is hope. I think it's rediculous that Creative has stopped supporting this very popular, and still very commonly used, card.

That's why I'll never buy another product from that stupid company. I gave $200 for my Live! card, the original one when they came out. Right on the box it said that the card would always be up to date thanks to their new LiveWare program. Then they cancelled LiveWare 4.0 and told all their users to buy a new Audigy or drop dead. That company sucks.

Creative and Microsoft have had the MONOPOLY on sound cards and OS (respectively). How can Creative destroy all of their competition and then leave us with NO DRIVERS for the new MS OS? Insane.

And people thought waiting YEARS for Win2000/XP drivers for the Live was crazy...

For some reason the RTM version of Vista doesnt have drivers for my HP LaserJet 1012. But the previous betas (i.e. RC1, RC2, etc.) did. I just checked Windows Update and it also doesnt have the drivers. This is weird for such a common printer.

Anyone know how to fix this?

Acer/BenQ Flatbed Scanner, HP Laserjet printer, Logitech Webcam, TV Tuner, sound blaster Audigy 2.

Drivers are not found on Vista for the above hardware, there is plenty of software that operates just fine on XP and wont operate on Vista.

WS_FTP2007
Auction Sentry (Works, but doesn't connect to ebay !) pop up window comes up states "OS is MS Vista" instead.


Over all, the only thing I like about Vista is it is faster than XP and the Aero Glass desktop.

But it's shipped with 19,500 drivers, about 70% of them are probably useless.


Audigy 2 drivers exist.
Laserjet printer, (unless you where stupid and went and got a host based one) are compatible with all other PCL 5, PCL 6 and in most cases PostScript drivers. Meanign you can fall back to some LJ 3 or LJ 4 PCL5 driver wich are practically alwlays available. at leats I'm sure there are some LJ drivers in Vista

drivers for my logitech mx1000 were installed when I first turned the computer on and all my buttons on it work

it's called stanard human interface driver, or HID.

it will support most all of the extra buttons on your mouse, and if not, look at my post above, xp driver/software works

Another NON-FEATURE feature of Vista...ahem. XP already has the same thing - re: on disc drivers with Windows Update support for anything that wasn't on the shipping version.

Keep trying, Jim. There must be SOME reason for people to want to buy this...keep looking.

Come on. The truth is that this time they've done it right. In XP there was a feature like this, but it was never as useful as in Vista.

I'm glad you say that they've gotten this right. But they haven't in the betas or the release candidates, as I have many hardware devices that fail the "Vista upgrade challenge", hehe.

I'm no longer giving MS the benefit of the doubt or my money for that matter. I'm staying on XP until Vista rocks, officially and widely, across all hardware, old (recent) and new (future).

Too bad that Logitech still doesn't give a damn about Vista drivers, even now that Vista is Rtm :mad:
So I only have minimal 2button-wheel functionality in Vista, which is clearly *not* what I paid for!
Besides, Logitech software is über-bloated anyway - 25MB memory (in XP) just for assigning functions to the mouse buttons!? That's ludicrous!

All my logitech mice have button 1,2, 3, 4 and 5 + wheel without drivers.

and the reular Loitech driver/Software works fine on Vista for me, and I even run vista x64, and Khalmnpr is currently using a whopping 168kb on my computer. How can I live with that... and two setpoint instance(one 32 bit) ar eboth using aroudn 450 kb.

All in all Logitech uses a total of just over 1(ONE) whole megabyte of memory... aw crap... 2 thousand more mouse drivers installed and I'm out of memory...

Same here. I downloaded the SetPoint software from logitech for Windows XP x64 and they worked just fine in Vista. They still take quite a bit of ram though...

I really hope so. I can't get my Realtek AC97 sound working on the x64 version of Vista RC1. I haven't downloaded the RTM version yet. Would it work with the older keys?

My Realtek AC97 Audio works fine on Vista X64, since beta 1 Windows Update has always grabbed the drivers pretty much soon as i've installed vista.

One problem with this however is that there are quite a few older network drivers that aren't on the DVD. If you have no network, how do you get to Windows Update to download them? :P

Real geeks have more than one computer, friends with computers, CD/DVD RWs, USB memory sticks.....we also keep the CD's that came with our MBs. It's not that hard. Really...

I was wondering why the installation was so hefty. I was expecting 10GB to hold it with plenty of space. When I installed Windows Vista Ultimate, I had practically 2-3 GB left. :P

This is good though. The Plug-n-Play is actually respectable in Vista. A nice change from previous Windows releases.

Unless Microsoft certifies a driver, anything else *could* render Windows unstable. More than often it's a 3rd party unsigned driver causing the problem.

The problem with certifying drivers is that there are ways around the WHQL process. For example, I could make a reg key/value called TurnOnBuggyFeatures that is set to 0 when I send to WHQL, and 1 when I actually ship it.

Quote - Andareed said @ #4.3
But installers themselves don't need to be WHQL'd. An installer could set TurnOnBuggyFeatures=1 and then launch driver.inf.

Right but if you modify the installer even with a flag then it has to modify the entries or files that are installed to make that flag have any meaning.

The instant that is done Windows would pickup that a change was made and would notify you that once again the drivers were non-certified.

There's really not an easy way around WHQL, either it is or isn't, and it tells you either way.

That's part of what makes Microsoft OSs crappy. They have to support all those old ****ty hardware devices.

If Microsoft could take Apple's route and only support a few devices, MS OSs would be amazing...instead of just ok.

What?

Apple hardware is run on select hardware thus no need to include drivers for old hardware.

just why excatly would it make Ms windows anybetter if it didnt have all those drivers?

Quote - xSuRgEx said @ #1.1
What?

Apple hardware is run on select hardware thus no need to include drivers for old hardware.

just why excatly would it make Ms windows anybetter if it didnt have all those drivers?

It's all the old legacy junk that MS has to support that makes their OSs less stable. That's part of the reason that the 64bit versions might be more stable.....less old crappy hardware will be supported.

Quote - ahhell said @ #1
That's part of what makes Microsoft OSs crappy. They have to support all those old ****ty hardware devices.

If Microsoft could take Apple's route and only support a few devices, MS OSs would be amazing...instead of just ok.

The most dumbest post EVER!

Quote - ahhell said @ #1.2

It's all the old legacy junk that MS has to support that makes their OSs less stable. That's part of the reason that the 64bit versions might be more stable.....less old crappy hardware will be supported.


Well you will be one happy bunny when ms finaly release an Os that has no old legacy junk in it.
if it worrys you that much go buy a mac.


Microsoft is primarily a software company. Apple is primarily a hardware company. If you don't know this why do you have a logon to Neowin?


You know if Ford could take Boeings route and put wings on cars Ford would be amazing...instead of ok.

Quote - ahhell said @ #1.2

It's all the old legacy junk that MS has to support that makes their OSs less stable. That's part of the reason that the 64bit versions might be more stable.....less old crappy hardware will be supported.

But surely.....if you think about it. If you dont have any old legacy hardware then it isnt installed as it isnt needed by the OS. So what you said is absolute crap dude.

Quote - mcloum said @ #1.11

But surely.....if you think about it. If you dont have any old legacy hardware then it isnt installed as it isnt needed by the OS. So what you said is absolute crap dude.

You just understand nothing about programming.

Support for crappy/new drivers is dependent/mixed/etc.
You cannot remove the code that's made to support legacy drivers easily.

It's true. Without all the legacy support, Windows would be miles better than it's competitors. But isn't it the legacy support that made Windows so popular? (The fact that I can upgrade some parts of my PC every year, and other parts every 5 years)