Windows Vista Is Golden

As promised yesterday and after 5 years of development, Vista is finally finished.

Jim Allchin, the co-president of Microsoft's Platforms & Services Division has put together a video about the announcement where he announces the General Availability (GA) date of 30 January 2007 for Vista.

Nick White, product manger in Windows client also had this to share with Neowin readers:

"Ultimately, we never could have achieved this milestone without you, the enthusiast community, who have played a key role in making this the highest-quality, most secure, most reliable and most usable version of Windows the world has ever seen. You gave us unprecedented support in testing and providing your feedback while we designed, developed and refined Windows Vista -- so much so that it has in many ways become a reflection of your involvement."

On a conference call with Jim Allchin, Microsoft announced that they will have 18 languages at launch in January and will ship 32 within 100 days of English RTM.

Availability of the RTM code on MSDN is still not known officially with a Microsoft spokesperson citing "within 7 days" after todays announcement. Given MSDN has scheduled down time from 7PM PST to 9PM PST on Friday, November 10th - I'd expect it to arrive shortly after that.

I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate Microsoft, its partners and OEMs and wish Jim Allchin all the best with his retirement from Microsoft at the end of January - good work guys.

View: Windows Vista Team Blog
Video: Jim Allchin RTM
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View: Q&A Windows Vista RTM

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Ha! Microsoft is the only company that will sell you half an OS and expect you to download the other half over 5 years.

man... where is this thing already searching through newsgroup like crazy hahahaha :P come on trusty friend leaky it out

Well we will have to see what this is going to be like. Windows XP Home Edition is the most worthless piece of crap that M$ has ever come out with.

I might to be able to run Vista Basic on this old puter. 2.1ghz processor 128mb video card and 832mb ram. But I am going to watch and see how it runs and how bad the hackers tear it apart.

If I purchase another OS from M$, Vista will be that last one becasue I am tired of crap and paying for crap.

Quote - gph58 said @ #94
Windows XP Home Edition is the most worthless piece of crap that M$ has ever come out with.


how exactly is it worthless? seems to do everything i need for 2 years now

Quote - gph58 said @ #94

I am tired of crap and paying for crap

i hear that!

Quote - gph58 said @ #94
Windows XP Home Edition is the most worthless piece of crap that M$ has ever come out with.

So your saying that Windows XP Home Edition is worse than Windows Me? How?

What about Windows XP Home Edition N? Is that better than Windows XP Home Edition?

Your generalised statement seems to imply this!

seen RTM build in action briefly at a Microsoft Security event earlier today.

Looked very similar to RC2 although the presenter said there were a lot of changes made "behind the scenes" and to UAC. He didnt know anything about availability on MSDN... Friday sounds plausible.

However, i still havnt seen any feature that makes me want to upgrade and im apalled by protected mode in IE7 (the way it opens new windows for trusted sites is annoying). Ill stick with my Tiger and XP machines for now and install RTM as dual boot for testing.

Quote - subway said @ #94.1
whered you get that date?

I have my source's Wanna bet 10 bucks on it ? I already got the RTM without a PID though

Quote - aniv said @ #92.2

I have my source's Wanna bet 10 bucks on it ? I already got the RTM without a PID though :D

Wanna Share?

Ther rest of us MSDN guys want it and don't care about the PID, we'll just wait to get our official PIDs

Quote - aniv said @ #92.2

I have my source's Wanna bet 10 bucks on it ? I already got the RTM without a PID though :D

not a gambling man ;)
i have my sources and while theyre fairly sure the scheduled maintenance has nothing to do with vista,
they cant put a date on xena availability.
i thought no one can say at this stage.

Quote - aniv said @ #92.2

I have my source's Wanna bet 10 bucks on it ? I already got the RTM without a PID though :D

If its the Enterprise version. It doesn't require a PID.

to all MSDN Premium members...

Didnt M$ say that it will be available on MSDN as soon as it was announced gold....and to techet and non premium MSDN will be posted within 7 days

i just checked my MSDN account again and NADA.....

On both MSDN and SA there's a blurb about maintenance being performed tomorrow evening from 7:00PM - 9:00PM PST. I suspect it will be posted during that window.

What's this I'm hearing about not being able to rip your audio cds or play them. And not being able to use non-drm content?.

True, False, what?

Quote - Mike Frett said @ #91
What's this I'm hearing about not being able to rip your audio cds or play them. And not being able to use non-drm content?.

True, False, what?

False. And neither are aliens going to abduct you tonight - so sleep easy.

So tell me what will Vista Ultimate do that Windows XP Pro can't do now, apart from fancy interface and effects. What features will make businesses and home users life more productive in the real world. Apart from a prettier screen to stare at. Since this seems to be the main reason most of you will be getting Vista. A two to four hundred dollar user interface upgrade.

Quote - Philip Hristov said @ #90.1
Why are you using XP and not Win 3.1? For Win 3.1 you ca use an office package and an internet browser and e-mail client.

You didn't answer my question!.

Quote - Philip Hristov said @ #90.1
Why are you using XP and not Win 3.1? For Win 3.1 you ca use an office package and an internet browser and e-mail client.

Well for one. About 100% of my third party Windows software won't run with Windows 3.1. But it does run on XP Pro. Is their any productive third party software that only runs on Vista. Next version of Photoshop, or heck Office 2007 runs on XP Pro.

Quote - Neomac v6 said @ #88
So who's gonna buy a Mac so they can do a true head-to-head comparison of Vista and Leopard?

No one because in the end, Mac is still a pointless $2-300 more then an equal PC box. That's a LOT of money to spend for a pretty BSD.

BSD = free full OS
OSX = over priced BSD front end
Vista = fully MS developed OS

I honestly cant see how Mac useres bitch about teh "microsoft tax" when macs run the same hardware, cost more and only has a FRACTION of the development time/money spent on it.

Quote - Neomac v6 said @ #88.3
Somehow Apple manages to achieve better results with that fraction of resources!

its called not having to design for all the hardware available and having to accept other drivers. Windows has to be able to run on what? 1000's of differnt combonations of hardware...OSX is what like 200? take any linux dist and strip the kernel to support ony what it KNOWS it has to support.. the linux will FLY becuase you took out "bloat" Microsoft cant do this, but as a side effect of not doing this they are also #1 on desktops.

Apple has done nothing that couldn't be done on a free linux/BSD..they just make it pretty too.

Quote - AltecXP said @ #88.2

No one because in the end, Mac is still a pointless $2-300 more then an equal PC box. That's a LOT of money to spend for a pretty BSD.

BSD = free full OS
OSX = over priced BSD front end
Vista = fully MS developed OS

I honestly cant see how Mac useres bitch about teh "microsoft tax" when macs run the same hardware, cost more and only has a FRACTION of the development time/money spent on it.

BSD = free full OS (UNIX Stability)
OSX = over priced BSD front end (UNIX Stability)
Vista = over priced feature stripped MS developed upgrade to Windows XP. Only XP upgraded with new user interface and new MS developed games and apps available in to many editions!. Not entirely new OS. (NT Stability)
Ubuntu = free full OS (UNIX/Linux Stability)

(jedimasterk said @ #88.6)
Vista = over priced feature stripped MS developed upgrade to Windows XP. Only XP upgraded with new user interface and new MS developed games and apps available in to many editions!. Not entirely new OS. (NT Stability)


the only feature that was stripped from Vista was WinFS.

Monad = never a Vista product

Quote - jedimasterk said @ #88.6

Vista = over priced feature stripped MS developed upgrade to Windows XP. Only XP upgraded with new user interface and new MS developed games and apps available in to many editions!. Not entirely new OS. (NT Stability)

]shakes head[

So wrong, so wrong. NT 6.0 (Vista) is a world away from NT 5.2 (XP). You'd of been right saying that about XP to Window 2000 (NT 5.0) but it's plain silly to suggest that all the changes 'under the hood' add up to nothing in Vista..

(jedimasterk said @ #88.9)
the only feature that was stripped from Vista was WinFS.

Monad = never a Vista product

More than just WinFS
http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CI...20&CIPseq=2

XPS Support ; OFFICE not Vista (and it was Adobe that bitched till it came out, not MS's wantting to pull it)
PC-to-PC Sync ; Still there just in a degraded form
SecurID Support ; was never in teh original plan it was added in @ a later time.
Palladium ; pulled due to an outcry of people NOT WANTING IT.
UEFI ; only pulled from the x86 version(due to its not being fully on the market yet) still in x64 & server.

How about visiting sites that know what they are talking about?

Quote - AltecXP said @ #88.2

Vista = fully MS developed OS

"fully" meaning MS bought out all the companies which developed the components originally, fair and square.

I can't find my last post... Will connect users get to download like a trial version or something? Or will they just not update the build list?

The people who are saying that it seems to run smoother, are you comparing a clean XP build v a clean Vista build with no apps and such.

Will be intersting to see the machine degredation after a period of usage like a normal xp machine has

Try 'PowerMenu', it lets you set things like process priority and window transparency from the top-right menu-box.

I really wonder what is better with vista over xp ?

compared to xp will my cpu and ram be better used ?
or will i have to buy far more expensive hardware just to
get the performance im already getting with xp.
Looking forward to doing some gaming benchmarks..

Will we finaly get 3rd party theme support ? with out hacking .dlls ?
Why do i doubt that ;)

How many activations are we allowed till we have to phone in after a re-install ?
Answer ? If its not unlimited its lame . Why should i have to phone em to install MY os i paid for ?

I've checked out ms's vista site and read the propaganda
and im sad to say i havn't seen any specific reason to wanna use vista.
I'll be keep an eye out for a reason to use it

I think your opening comment is one I tried to make some time ago on the forums but ended up getting shot down for it.

My argument was that you shouldn't need a dual core CPU, a decent graphics card and crap loads of RAM just to get to Operating System to run well.. I felt it should be a svelte and well written lightweight system which did not leave much of a footprint on the system.

A few peoples arguments were that "Yes, but if we've got the hardware to run it, we want the OS to use up as much of it as possible to make it worthwhile" - I see that point somewhat, and to a certain degree you can scrap a lot of the eye candy and stuff that makes Vista need a load of horse power to run it.

But I still feel that the footprint for the OS is still unnecessarily large even in basic mode - and that I wish Microsoft had spent more time optimising, trimming, and putting the operating system on a diet than bolting on more hefty stuff and THEN adding on features to work around the performance issues such as ReadyBoost.

I hate to compare to OSX (and really i'm trying to be objective but stating the obvious here), but they've had an OS with a lovely hardware accelerated GUI for some years now, and you certainly don't need a behemoth of a machine to get the majority of the eye candy effects. With a meagre GeForce FX5200 from a Powermac G5 in my 800MHz G4 Quicksilver I had ALL the cool effects in Tiger.. I can't even imagine trying to run Vista with the prettyness turned on, on an 800MHz PC! And before anyone asks, yes, I did have to modify the card to make it fit into my G4 but it did work great!

Quote - Chicane-UK said @ #80.1
I can't even imagine trying to run Vista with the prettyness turned on, on an 800MHz PC!

..and you just compared a 800MHz PC with a 800MHz G4.. That's not fair, is it?

But I still feel that the footprint for the OS is still unnecessarily large even in basic mode - and that I wish Microsoft had spent more time optimising, trimming, and putting the operating system on a diet than bolting on more hefty stuff and THEN adding on features to work around the performance issues such as ReadyBoost.

Yes, completely agree with that! Vista is way too bloated.

Quote - Top Qat said @ #80.4

Yes, completely agree with that! Vista is way too bloated.

How can you wish for that? Maybe they did? No one here has tried the RTM version anyways

Quote - Chicane-UK said @ #80.1

A few peoples arguments were that "Yes, but if we've got the hardware to run it, we want the OS to use up as much of it as possible to make it worthwhile" - I see that point somewhat, and to a certain degree you can scrap a lot of the eye candy and stuff that makes Vista need a load of horse power to run it.

Sadly many people are clueless, buying the latest hardware thinking that putting a quadx300ghz will help to the messenger or playing at 1900x1600 60hz is way better that 1024x768 85hz.

Today, many newest cpu are more a luxury rather a needing and vista is for this kind of people "ok, you will buy a expensive pc... then buy my expensive OS". There are some exception that people that need a powerful pc but they are only a minor group (such render guys).



How can you wish for that? Maybe they did? No one here has tried the RTM version anyways

It seems that around here, the term Release Candidate is somehow misunderstood of misinterpreted. As I understand it, a Release Candidate is pretty much a feature complete ready to rock version of the final product - with only a little bit more tweaking and tidying before its done. I used up to Release Candidate 2 and felt that it still felt too heavy - there really can't have been THAT many changes between RC2 and RTM - just fixing stuff that was broken!

Quote - Chicane-UK said @ #80.1

I hate to compare to OSX (and really i'm trying to be objective but stating the obvious here), but they've had an OS with a lovely hardware accelerated GUI for some years now, and you certainly don't need a behemoth of a machine to get the majority of the eye candy effects. With a meagre GeForce FX5200 from a Powermac G5 in my 800MHz G4 Quicksilver I had ALL the cool effects in Tiger.. I can't even imagine trying to run Vista with the prettyness turned on, on an 800MHz PC! And before anyone asks, yes, I did have to modify the card to make it fit into my G4 but it did work great! :)

They also only have to support a tiny fraction of the hardware that Windows does because Apple chooses all the hardware, which also costs literally twice as much after they're done packaging it.


They also only have to support a tiny fraction of the hardware that Windows does because Apple chooses all the hardware, which also costs literally twice as much after they're done packaging it.

Hey - at the end of the day, thats Microsofts problem. They dreamed up this model of making all new PC's come with their operating system so now they have to get on with it. As the saying goes - you can't have your cake and eat it too!

If you erase all the positive and negative comments from here and were left with one thing. Whether or not Vista is crap, it and Microsoft will DOMINATE the market forever. Be supporters of the underdogs all you like... because it makes you "unique". Microsoft will steal your uniqueness right from under your nose and let you keep pretending they don't still own you.

The End.

Time to wait until January 30th. 8)

No one has mentioned anything about the availability of machines with Vista preinstalled onto them. I assume and hope that similar to what was with XP 5 years ago, there'll be a batch of machines ready.

Glad it's finally done! can't wait to get my hands on it. true Vista is not exactly what we were told a few years ago, still a great improvement over XP.

I don't know why I bothered commenting a few times here at all. A bunch of ignorant zealots are trying to make noise, but have nothing to back it up. No I am not talking about everyone, but some people need to go outside and realize an OS is not life, so stop acting like it is.

Quote - ambiance said @ #74
I don't know why I bothered commenting a few times here at all. A bunch of ignorant zealots are trying to make noise, but have nothing to back it up. No I am not talking about everyone, but some people need to go outside and realize an OS is not life, so stop acting like it is.

I have to agree somewhat but this OS(repairing it haha) is going to pay my bills.. so I have to make it part of my life... but you know who real thinks there OS is god, mac people I swear they act like macos was create by some higher being..

Quote - mel00 said @ #74.4

I have to agree somewhat but this OS(repairing it haha) is going to pay my bills.. so I have to make it part of my life... but you know who real thinks there OS is god, mac people I swear they act like macos was create by some higher being..


I can't agree more. Its like most "mac" people all have this personality trait that they all share, and none of the rest of us have it. It just seems like they are "weird". Like they can all be generalized and fit into one nice category of "mac people".

Quote - Zirus said @ #72.5


I can't agree more. Its like most "mac" people all have this personality trait that they all share, and none of the rest of us have it. It just seems like they are "weird". Like they can all be generalized and fit into one nice category of "mac people".


why not try and actually read the thread.
If you did you find there was more people bashing the mac, then mac people bashing VISTA
but hey dont let that stop your little rant

Congratulations to Microsoft

Haven't tried Vista yet. I've only messed a few of the older Longhorn builds. From what I've read and seen on a friends computer it looks very promising and more user friendly to any new PC users. His grandma loves using Vista for her digital photos. A few months ago she probably didn't know what a PC was and now she's like an expert and even gets into games on it :laugh:

It's always nice to see a 72 year old woman playing games like Halo and really getting into it

Congrats Microsoft....But i was thinking of some more new theme & animation effect (I know those wont FIT for corporate or laptops!..but still sometime for fun eyecandiness i will use it...)

Waiting for Vista Ultimate in nearby shop!!

My PC is ready for Vista Premium ready....(and also need to grab a nvidia 8800 series for all new directx10!!)

I'm glad Microsoft has finisihed Vista, but I am in no rush to get it. I'll be sticking with XP until Vista releases SP1 to ensure the OS is nice and stable.

I am waiting to see reports on what I have being supported.. Theres a lot of devices I got that XP don't even really wanna support, webcams, mice, touchpad extras... If I am spending $400 to 'upgrade' I don't wanna spend another $400 replacing everything this 'have it all' OS DON'T have or won't work with, just like how Windows X64 didn't work with any of it.. I don't think anything will have changed.

Quote - Ruciz said @ #61.1
I am waiting to see reports on what I have being supported.. Theres a lot of devices I got that XP don't even really wanna support, webcams, mice, touchpad extras... If I am spending $400 to 'upgrade' I don't wanna spend another $400 replacing everything this 'have it all' OS DON'T have or won't work with, just like how Windows X64 didn't work with any of it.. I don't think anything will have changed.

Except for audio and video vista can use most of the same drivers for, printers, mice, webcams that XP used. At least 32bit vista will.

Disappointing. After five years, Microsoft still cannot come up with something as truly innovative as what Mac OS X is right now! Mind ya, at least the 90% of computer users out there can finally get something that's somewhat improved.

I dont want vista even if is for free...

Anyways, congratulation m$ (if that make them happy, but I doubt it (who cares if I congratulates to them or not anyways))

Quote - ThePitt said @ #1
I dont want vista even if is for free...

Anyways, congratulation m$ (if that make them happy, but I doubt it (who cares if I congratulates to them or not anyways))


Looser, you nick name reflecs your aditude. **ty get a life and do not even bother posting know one cares abouy your comments...

know one cares abouy your comments...

Wow - you take it so personally. Did you work on Vista or something?

Well.. just for giggles, I wanted to hear ThePitt's comments so er.. you're wrong!

Nice one MS!! I have been looking foward to this for ages. I ran RC2 for a while and really enjoyed the experience, it was a shame that I had to go back to XP due to US Robotics....no drivers for their WI-FI cards!! Shame on them!

Ill be there wating at the door to get hold of a copy as soon as it come out.

I agree. I think Windows Vista is really really great, but the experience gets bad because of poor driver support (talk about Creative, pfft!)

I remember the days when Whistler (XP) went Gold, glad to see Vista finally going out the door. Now we will really see what it's capable of in the real world. I'm still on RC2 on my PC lol!

Quote - hardgiant said @ #52
Congrats on building the most bloated expensive operating system ever. :P :P :P

Congrats on finally being able to get off the shortbus by yourself! :P

This was the best part of the whole article. Talk about hitting the nail on the head:

"Apple and its supporters will tell you that Apple spent the past five years churning out major new Mac OS X versions while Microsoft fumbled around trying to finish Windows Vista. This is completely untrue. Though I use and respect Mac OS X, virtually every version Apple has shipped since 2001 has been a minor update, akin to a Windows 98 SE or Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2). Meanwhile, Microsoft has pushed an amazing variety of Windows versions out the door since 2001. "

OS X Service Pack 5...er, I mean, Leopard anyone?? You can download it for fr.... er, I mean, buy it from Apple soon.

Yes but unlike a Microsoft service pack, new versions of MacOSX contain useful new features (not just security features that should have been present from day one) and your existing version isn't going to fall over and open up your data for all the world to take.

Microsoft attempts to redo the OS too often. Apple just serves to improve on what they already have incrementally.

For example, if Microsoft were to adopt Apple dev cycle, we probably would have gotten Aero a long time ago, and then maybe instant search and upgrades to built-in apps. Of course, the reason WHY Microsoft doesn't do this is because of dependency hell. One component of Windows is too caught up in other lower and upper level parts of the kernel that it's impossible to compartmentalize.

In any case, Vista is done. Now it's time for Microsoft to work on SP1 (and get rid of bugs still existing) then it's time for Vienna!

I dont think you can call those apple updates "minor" just because they don't increase the version number. Cumulatively , OSX right now is a lot better than it was 5 years ago. While XP is still the same, with a bunch of patches.

I guess this is what Ballmer (I think it was him) meant when he said that vista was going to be the last "big" windows release. I think that this time around, those windows service packs will be more than just cumulative patches and a few minor features.

Can't wait for the torrent! Seriously though, is Vienna going to be written from scratch, or will it still be built on top of old 3.11 code?

Congratulations Microsoft Looking forward to the day we can buy this thing lol, wow 5 years unbelievable but worth it.

who cares? vista is a complete let down. "we've got loads of good ideas!" "great!" thinks the world. Scroll on a few years "we didnt do all those great features!!"

Utter, utter rubbish.

Roll on a version of windows where they cut off backwards compatability, and with it remove literally millions of lines of useless code.

Yeah backwards compatibility is stupid. Let's force everyone to dump legacy apps.

You are absolutely brilliant! You should go work for Microsoft and share your ideas.

But first, look up "rubbish" in the dictionary.

If people (especially organizations) couldn't run their existing software (and in the real world there are plenty who run software many many years old) Microsoft wouldn't sell many copies of Vista now would they? So the backwards compatibility code is anything but useless. In fact good backwards compatibility with existing software is one of the main reasons why Windows even has such a hold on the market.

But if you continually have to "backwards support", your product will become bloated with old and useless features and be limited in its advancement. Sometimes you have to start a fresh if you want to progress.

Quote - Tantawi said @ #46.1
lol! Any other Vistainfeld fans? :D


Is there a Marine Biologist here? Anyone??

If they had, and backward compatibility wasn't there, then the trolls would complain that it didn't support some crappy software written 5 years ago...

They can always rewrite from scratch and provide backwards compatability through virtualization like Apple did for running OS9 apps on OSX.

There is no way they couldn't have written a new operating system in five years. It simply isn't possible.

And in the real world backwards compatibility is very important for actual customers.

Quote - virtorio said @ #45.4
There is no way they couldn't have written a new operating system in five years. It simply isn't possible.

And in the real world backwards compatibility is very important for actual customers.


Given the resources MS has, I'm sure they could have.

Quote - MrA said @ #45.5

Given the resources MS has, I'm sure they could have.

I can't agree more.
With its resources, MS still can't make something that is worth its price.
Tell me what is the feature that is worth the upgrade and price?
People help them beta test for free, and other security companies or individuals help them find or even fix their vulnerabilities.
They just put something out and let the customers find problems and suffer and then they will fix it.
I understand no software is perfect when released but with the resources (money and man power) MS has I think don't they do a job good enough to charge so much.
When new products are due, just look around and pick some innovative features introduced by other small third party companies and put them into their products. At the same time, it kills competitors too.
There is no other company in the world that can earn so much money with so little effort.
Only with monopoly you are entitled to this kind of easy money.
Every year how much money did it cost to all Microsoft customers due to Windows or other Microsoft products' vulnerabilities?
I have respect for Bill Gates but not his company.

Quote - ALUOp said @ #45.6

I can't agree more.
With its resources, MS still can't make something that is worth its price.
Tell me what is the feature that is worth the upgrade and price?
People help them beta test for free, and other security companies or individuals help them find or even fix their vulnerabilities.
They just put something out and let the customers find problems and suffer and then they will fix it.
I understand no software is perfect when released but with the resources (money and man power) MS has I think don't they do a job good enough to charge so much.
When new products are due, just look around and pick some innovative features introduced by other small third party companies and put them into their products. At the same time, it kills competitors too.
There is no other company in the world that can earn so much money with so little effort.
Only with monopoly you are entitled to this kind of easy money.
Every year how much money did it cost to all Microsoft customers due to Windows or other Microsoft products' vulnerabilities?
I have respect for Bill Gates but not his company.

Please don't think Microsoft has a few projects and the rest are stolen. All the products Microsoft buys aren't just 'added'. Microsoft puts a whole development team on it to improve it. MS has made huge improvements in both their Office suite and Windows suite.

Considering there's over a million lines of code, that's a feat.

Just because you have more money and people, doesn't mean you have organization.

Congo rats to Microsoft. Sounds like the dev team needs a few weeks off! Any of you pretty ladies on the dev team: I give killer body rubs. :nuts:

I can't believe how much a let down vienna is. There is hardly anything better about it, just a warmed over vista.

I'm so sticking with vista, vienna is just another way to pry money from my wallet.

Long live vista.

:wacko:

Quote - Balmorro said @ #39.2
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the post was meant to be taken as a joke, Rodrigo...

If that's so, then my bad.

Now let's just talk about how ugly those icons look in the quick launch bar. !

Seriously, it was about time. The whole vista insanity had to come to an end. Let's move on, and be happy. And congrats MS, despite everything that happened.

Funny all you guys with negative comments

Ya no negative comments about Microsoft.......... the "softies " here don't
like it.

Just for note:
The build 6000.16386.061101-2205 has been CONFIRMED as the final and last build.
6000.16386.061101-2205 is the OFFICIAL RTM BUILD

How did you get the number. The Vista DLLs for previous versions had just have something like 6000.16386 there was only one-dotted number.

MS newsgroup confirmed that this build has, after 7 days of internal test, been chosen as RTM.
I'm not saying just for saying, it is officially confirmed.

Funny all you guys with negative comments about MS are probably using windows. Aint' that a hoot.
There is no other user friendly OS available and don't say Linux because that is not for the "average joe" user.

Anyhow, I can't wait to get the final version as I am using the Vista 5840 build right now and it is very stable. Congrats to MS.

I wouldn't go as far as to say there's no other user friendly OS available, in fact I'd say Mac OS X is more user friendly. The problem with Linux is installation of the actual system, which at this point is on par with Windows. I don't have anything against Windows, but if everyone is very anti-microsoft, you're very pro-microsoft. I try to be more in the middle

OS X. Redmond get your photocopiers ready. Oh the irony of that campaign. They stole widgets which were planned for Vista long before Apple caught wind. Not to say Microsoft invented them, but Apple certainly screwed Konfabulator. To each his own.

Now back on topic. Congrats Microsoft!

Quote - ambiance said @ #34.6
OS X. Redmond get your photocopiers ready. Oh the irony of that campaign. They stole widgets which were planned for Vista long before Apple caught wind. Not to say Microsoft invented them, but Apple certainly screwed Konfabulator. To each his own.

Now back on topic. Congrats Microsoft!


You are a year too late for this argument and you are also wrong about it.

Quote - DomZ said @ #33.1
They "finished" support for windows 98 not long ago.

exactly, support.. still 98 isn't 'finished', just inst supported.

Quote - Ice Brewed Beer said @ #30
Prices, I need prices. PLEASE!

I agree! Any idea on prices yet? I certainly hope they aren't as ridiculous as what Microsoft charged initially for Windows XP.

The price for each versions are here: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_02.asp


Windows Home Basic $199 $99.95
Windows Home Basic N $199 $99.95
Windows Vista Home Premium $239 $159
Windows Vista Business $299 $199
Windows Vista Business N $299 $199
Windows Vista Enterprise Volume-license only
Windows Vista Ultimate $399 $259

First one is Retail Full and Second price is Upgrade.

This is so god damn terrible. Why is the sidebar a graident? Why is the shadow so god damn dark, WHY IS THERE NO DAMN TITLES IN EXPLORER, I was hoping MS wud fix this, but god damn. This is a disgrace.

Um... looks about the same as XP with WindowBlinds running. Took them all these years for this?? Oh, all the big changes are under the covers - ohhhh, i see.

However, I will be running it on my PC.

You, as many others, have said the same damn thing.

Since when 'how it looks' shows the potential of the damn OS?

Please.

Fix'd.

Quote - Rodrigo said @ #28.1

Since when the freaking looks show it is everything done? And since when the looks show its potential?

Please.

What?

pffft Vista anyone spending that much money on the damn thing needs shooting.

Vista = Rip off

Still Atleast they Kept the Ball Rolling once again. Now For More OS Mess Up's What you think Another 98 demo now wasn't that funny hahahahahahaha.

So... being that your name is 'sniper', are you going to go around and shoot everyone who buys it?

Or, maybe you are a fan of Mac and prefer to pay for each service pack for a total cost of ownership far greater than Vista?

Either way, that's why we have freedom of choice!

Thanks for the information Sniper. I am glad I read your comment because I was about to make the mistake of purchasing it. </sarcasm>

yay, finally :P Well done to MS.


"Ultimately, we never could have achieved this milestone without you, the enthusiast community, who have played a key role in making this the highest-quality, most secure, most reliable and most usable version of Windows the world has ever seen. You gave us unprecedented support in testing and providing your feedback while we designed, developed and refined Windows Vista -- so much so that it has in many ways become a reflection of your involvement."

Did Nick White say that directly to Neowin??

Congrats MS!!! Vista has come a long way since the Longhorn alphas. Last version I tried was RC2 and that looked really promising. Despite all the pretties and needed hardware upgrades, I think Vista will be the best consumer and business version of Windows ever. There is also a lot of code there that forms the foundation for an even more promising version of Windows codename Vienna.

I wonder if they fixed that issue, where if the Task bar is at the top of the screen, then there is a "glass" effect under it the same height as the bar on startup...

Quote - Stew Gilray said @ #15
I wonder if they fixed that issue, where if the Task bar is at the top of the screen, then there is a "glass" effect under it the same height as the bar on startup...

I've equally reported that to Microsoft as their RC2 build still had the problem. I definitely hope they've cleaned up and made the Explorer more leaner in the bugs department.

Quote - gadean said @ #15.2
I noticed that same problem.. would be a shame to have a handful of bugs to fix before it's shipped!

The only way to get rid of it, is to unlock the task bar, MOVE it to the left screen edge, wait for a couple of seconds and move it back to the top.

For some reason, it doesn't resolve for the right edge or bottom of the screen...

Ah, I just submitted this to newsdesk! All that time, wasted! lol

Congrats Microsoft, on a quality release, but I'm not going to go as far to say that it's the best OS ever, since I'm an Os X and Linux user.

Quote - Byron_Hinson said @ #3.1

Be waiting a few days!

One never knows... It might be posted silently, so not everyone would be jumping on

Quote - gill said @ #3
Congratulations on the best OS ever made :)
Well done...

Checking if it's already on MSDN ;-)

Funniest thing I've read in days, lol. Check your glasses my friend.

bah, rubbish it's the best os ever made... they've managed to take out every single one of the new features since the 2000~ish builds... it's XP with a glassy interface and a few little conveniences. I.E. XP + WindowsBlinds + Some widgets and apps...

Do your research before you post your own rubbish. If you think it's XP with a glossy interface and some widgets then you clearly know nothing about it.

Quote - gizbug said @ #3.3

Funniest thing I've read in days, lol. Check your glasses my friend.

Seen the winking smiley there at the end...?
Means that this sentence has a sarcastic meaning...

I do know that it's not there yet... nothing funny imo...

Quote - C_Guy said @ #3.5
Do your research before you post your own rubbish. If you think it's XP with a glossy interface and some widgets then you clearly know nothing about it.

QFT

Congrats from me too Can't wait to upgrade from XP Pro

Btw a question to you guys: I ran the upgrade advisor but it told me that Home Basic is the version good for me....I dont like how Basic home basic is and I like Home Premium one better..

Will it be ok if I get Home Premium instead of basic?

Also does RTM mean its a specific edition? Like does it give you the option to install basic, premium, business etc?

Quote - Vomer said @ #1.2
Congrats from me too Can't wait to upgrade from XP Pro

Will it be ok if I get Home Premium instead of basic?

Also does RTM mean its a specific edition? Like does it give you the option to install basic, premium, business etc?

You could install Premium, but most likely some features wouldn't work. You would need to upgrade your hardware (processor, memory, etc.) to make a higher-level version fully functional.

RTM: Release to Manufacturing; the finished product.

Quote - Octol said @ #1.3

You could install Premium, but most likely some features wouldn't work. You would need to upgrade your hardware (processor, memory, etc.) to make a higher-level version fully functional.

RTM: Release to Manufacturing; the finished product.

I see, thanks for answering my questions,

THe thing is that My is is almost compatible except it dosent have a 128MB video card...i have a 64MB one. Would that really cause big problems?

Quote - Vomer said @ #1.4
THe thing is that My is is almost compatible except it dosent have a 128MB video card...i have a 64MB one. Would that really cause big problems?

No, you can run Aero Glass, with no problems, with 64MB. Just don't expect to do 1920x1080.