Windows Vista RTM Announcement - 11AM PST Tomorrow

According to Mary Jo Foley The day has finally come: Windows Vista is going gold.

Foley mentions "the public announcement that Windows Vista has been released to manufacturing is going to happen tomorrow, November 8, around 11 a.m. PST, sources close to the company are saying."

Once the RTM has been announced the build should appear on MSDN at the same time according to Microsoft's press release of yesterday.

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sorry people i haven't meant to be rude i was just doing psychology homework...i have been ill and thought the only way to do it would be on the forums. i had to see people reactions when someone disagreed with their opinions. thanks to you lot i got an A* :D:D.

by the way i do own a mac but i think they are not better than eachtother they are just better for different people and if the pc wasn't invented we wouldn't have macs and if we didn't have macs we wouldn't have pc's... and thats coming from both bill + steve.

by the way i think the mac was better for me because i enjoy making movies and writing music.

so sorry if i caused any offence but i didn't really mean anything i said

No get a REAL machine, buy a PC and install Gentoo. Oh no, that would be too complicated for you since you like things out of the box.

JEALOUS !! I have had a pc and you can't do anything without going through a troubleshooter. And yes hollywood style movies umm maybe because hollywood use macs ... im doing performing arts in school and hollywood studios don't allow pc's to be used to create them... hmmm i wonder why. also i'll find that pc users that have basic common sense (the large majority) are starting to switch over to macs.

who would wanna spend about £2000 on a pc that only comes with cards games a clock and minesweeper honestly. and if you wanna get a pc cheaper then you got no chance of running anything without it crashing.

soo... don't be jealous... get a mac, you will get over the pc, the second you open the box.

unless your a pro gamer...then i suggest you stick to minesweeper and if your real pro maybe even checkers :-O

heh hollywood style movies! Of you and your pet rabbit? Dont be jealous buy a PC...you will get over it.

dude you just can't think of a point to deffend the infinite cons of a pc ... now traaa i got better things to do ... you go ad play mine sweeper while i make a hollywood style movie, ciao.

what ever... it just shows that macs truly are tools for the small minority who want to make a difference and make the most of life ... lets just say the pc is the peasants computer and a mac is the computer for kings. i always wondered why the toy story idea was genius now i know why.

I dont understand why people like you bother to post replies if you are mac users? Get a life..if you love your mac so much dont reply. Please stop ****ing in our pool..we don't swim in your toilet!

50 reasons not to get a pc

1. fragile os 2. 144,000 known viruses 3. they crash 4. restarting ??? why java script:emoticon(':huh:','')
5.bottom class hardware 6. bottom class software 7.cheap and nasty like spam 8. rip off of mac os x
9.macs solve the problems ms create. 10.clutterd software 11. cluttered hardware 12.you can't do nothing out of the box 13. you have to install everything that plugs into your computer 14. slow 15. difficult to use 16. trouble shooters don't solve problems

don't worry i'm not finished theres more to come ...

pc users must be blind because they fail to see that all the features that are new in vista mac has had for many years in many os and excelled them many many times and are currently far far ahead of microsoft developing things that are beyond them. one of the things i hate about ms is their security system it is just atrocious and don't deny because the government has asked them many times, bileve it or not to rewrite the security programme as they were below the government specifications which is the reason of the delay and the many names that they have had to change. if they released it with their original security centre ms wuld have been in trouble. and you think ms develop good quality programmes ... get a mac unless you can give me 50 reasons not to.

the best people to ask what computer is best a pc or a mac is someone who hasen't got the slightest clue in computing because they judge it on what people actually use it for and i done a survey for a school project and then presented it to the class and one of the participants was my nan and she found out how to use a mac without me explaining anything and when she tried a pc (thank god it was an old one) well put it this way you wouldn't be able to use it unless you reinstalled windows. there were 40 people in my survey and 37 of them said they were pc users and they prefer macs. and by the way obviously you haven't used a mac because macs don't crash because they are unix based. also i have had a pc with a 4ghz processor and 4gb and it crashed up to 6 times a week and i run disk defrag every week and it also enjoyed a little pop down to the repair shop like every month and the amount i spent was enough to by me a car probably. oh saying windows dosen't crash and mac os x does is total utter crap !! and guess what macs are becoming more and more popular and their market share is increasing and many economists are suggesting that the mac will be the computer of the future... farewell windows !! good ridance.

look guys but vista well... any windows os is rubbish it gets viruses, it crashes, its slow and the list just goes on and on which is why i'm a proud mac user. they all say microsoft is better simply because you can get more software... fair enough but if you said microsoft is better because it makes good software that would be completely and utterly wrong. quality and not quantity is one of the main reason i like apple and deteste microsoft. To be honest i don't see why vista is going to be any different bacuase i have been on it and it just like a rip off of an earlier mac os x (not even a later mac os x version) put it this way anyone buying vista would be like taking a step back in time in comparison to a mac user. One thing vista did get right was the glass kind of visual effect which reflects just how fragile windows is one mistake... and SMASH !! unlike the very strong and stable mac os x which has a brushed steel effect... no suprise there !! looks like mac os x leopard is gong to be a winner not that a 10 yr old macos could beat vista hands down !! pmsl hahaha !!

What the heck! Mac's suck, they crash way more than Windows XP. Not trying to start a flame. Personally I am a linux/Gentoo fan, but I work in a Windows shop environment and do you see us using Macs? You get good quality software with MS. What about sharepoint? Does Mac have Sharepoint or an Exchange server? Vista is way better than a Mac. I am tired of Mac users putting down MS. Macs are only good for a pretty artsy paper weight. Can I get a AMEN!!!

Quote - djbeenie said @ #78.1
What the heck! Mac's suck, they crash way more than Windows XP. Not trying to start a flame. Personally I am a linux/Gentoo fan, but I work in a Windows shop environment and do you see us using Macs? You get good quality software with MS. What about sharepoint? Does Mac have Sharepoint or an Exchange server? Vista is way better than a Mac. I am tired of Mac users putting down MS. Macs are only good for a pretty artsy paper weight. Can I get a AMEN!!!

let me just rip that apart.
Mac's suck. okay. so that is your personal opinion---however, you fail to give legitimate grounds for your argument.

They crash way more than Windows XP. based on what? i have Windows and Mac OS X on my MacBook and I definitely have to do a whole lot more maintenance to windows.
You get good quality software with MS. Yes. microsoft makes pretty good business software, it's a shame they don't offer a more stable operating system to run it on.
Vista is way better than a Mac. ... because you've throughly tested and compared them both? I'd love to know what grounds you have for that argument considering most of the new features in vista are identical to those of which have been included in the Mac for about 5 years. So someone...fill me in on why Vista is better than Mac.
I'm tired of Mac users putting down MS. Yea...isn't that obsurd...someone getting online and putting down another company or operating system. nobody EVER makes fun of Macs. it's always the mac users making fun of the PCs.
Macs are only good for a pretty artsy paper weight. I know you're referring to how sleek and stylish apple product are. It's a shame you can't do anything on a Mac....like...i don't know....record and engineer all the music by the artists you listen to everyday, or produce the movies you watch, or anything like that. silly macs. worthless.

I know I made it sound like i hate windows. that's because i disagree with this flawed argument. I am a Mac and a Windows dual-boot user. They both have their place. I'd never recommend Mac OS X for the business environment, and i'd never recommend Windows for the multimedia production environment. there's a time for Mac and a time for Windows. deal with it people. As far as Windows Vista... I won't be buying it. It does exactly what my Mac does but it includes less software and the same basic uses that Windows XP has. I don't see any advantage to having Windows Vista if i already have Mac OS X, since there are no apparent "new" features in Vista that aren't already in the Mac.

Who here wants to have an instant conversation with me while you download and install the Vista RTM build? Gives you something to do while waiting ;-)

This is like that scene from the movie Airplane. When all of the reporter run to the phone booths and knock them over. Within 15 minutes, the lines will be saturated, and download speeds will be a 2.3 kb/sec. LOL

well that obviously isnt all the info we are getting, they will have a proper offical press release with more words than "It's Done"

its available on the some other channels. downloading now.

Windows%20Vista%20Rtm%206000.16386.061101-2205%20X86fre%20En.iso|2902163456|47359DE13F32FCF2629FB1525F5B40FE

Just logged into my MSDN acct and called them up. it's not there yet and they don't know any more than we do in msdn cust svc. So we wait and see later I guess.

Quote - tmanops05 said @ #59.1
Dude, I think your clock is off...it's still only 10:11AM on the West Coast...

whoops :P i didn't calculate from gmt to est (wich is +1)... so i guess it's still another 40 minutes to RTM

EDIT: damn i'm really not myself today, now i've used the wrong time zone... EST should be CET

My question is why do they announce it 11AM PST and not mention EST time as MS is located in Redmond, WA?

I can't wait until it's available on MSDN. But I have this funny feeling MS won't release today...no proof, just a hunch...

Quote - M118LR said @ #35.1
So what if it leaks. You won't have a key to activate.
HAHAHAHAHA that made my day... every heard of activation cracks? In XP, activation was completely ignored in some cracked versions. Maybe with WGA built into vista, cracking it and getting updates may be a bit difficult, but nothing like a leaked VLK clear up.

For all you pirate lovers, you should take a look at what the Volume Activation 2.0 actually does
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan/faq.mspx

Yea it will def. be hacked, but it will prob be more headache on keeping up with it, and not worth it to alot of peeps

Quote - sweethip said @ #51

For all you pirate lovers, you should take a look at what the Volume Activation 2.0 actually does
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan/faq.mspx

Yea it will def. be hacked, but it will prob be more headache on keeping up with it, and not worth it to alot of peeps

1 reason more to not get vista and stick with XP, for any big company. This its not good annoying and more waste of resources, bandwidth and why not time with aditional management things, who wants a spyware in a company to check if ur windows its legal or not, leave that job to the cop.

Quote - eilegz said @ #51.1

1 reason more to not get vista and stick with XP, for any big company. This its not good annoying and more waste of resources, bandwidth and why not time with aditional management things, who wants a spyware in a company to check if ur windows its legal or not, leave that job to the cop.


Just give hackers some time, sooner you will see Windows Vista Lite with no actvation needed floating in torrent world...

Quote - AnarKhy said @ #51.2

Just give hackers some time, sooner you will see Windows Vista Lite with no actvation needed floating in torrent world...

this its the bad thing affect legit users and pirates still go around with it. which its the main purpose of this

you dont have to authenticate through a proxy, you can authenticate it as a normal key, or through a KMS, so there really isnt much of a hassle in activation

Quote - MorphD said @ #49
PST = GMT-8

11am PST would then be 7pm GMT

Please correct me if I'm mistaken.. :happy:

Sounds about right... ah well i'll not be looking till 2morrow... darn American's always behind

I didn't get one thing if Vista will be ready to download today whay they can't produce it to sell in stores? What is the difficulty? Cuz... you know... Inernet now days... this downlad will go all over the world in a few seconds... so in january every one that wanted Vista will already have it. So I suspect that Vista will be in stores in December (if don't MS will lose.

Quote - Billy Gun said @ #46
I didn't get one thing if Vista will be ready to download today whay they can't produce it to sell in stores? What is the difficulty? Cuz... you know... Inernet now days... this downlad will go all over the world in a few seconds... so in january every one that wanted Vista will already have it. So I suspect that Vista will be in stores in December (if don't MS will lose.

That is the worst post in the history of the internet.

Quote - Billy Gun said @ #46
I didn't get one thing if Vista will be ready to download today whay they can't produce it to sell in stores? What is the difficulty? Cuz... you know... Inernet now days... this downlad will go all over the world in a few seconds... so in january every one that wanted Vista will already have it. So I suspect that Vista will be in stores in December (if don't MS will lose.

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OEMs & Developers (& whoever else gets their hands on it) are usually the first to get a RTM build. It would be nice to purchase an OEM copy with some hardware.

Quote - CrimsonKnight13 said @ #45
OEMs & Developers (& whoever else gets their hands on it) are usually the first to get a RTM build. It would be nice to purchase an OEM copy with some hardware.

The nice thing for MS is that by giving it to devs they give them some time to sort out application compatibility problems before the mass public get hold of it (and any last minute bugs in the OS too) so it makes a lot of sense.
I'm one of those devs and i've been holding out on making final changes to my app for Vista just because I didn't have release code to work with. As soon as it's up on MSDN i'll start work

Quote - dangel said @ #45.1

The nice thing for MS is that by giving it to devs they give them some time to sort out application compatibility problems before the mass public get hold of it (and any last minute bugs in the OS too) so it makes a lot of sense.
I'm one of those devs and i've been holding out on making final changes to my app for Vista just because I didn't have release code to work with. As soon as it's up on MSDN i'll start work :)

erm, you have had more then a year to make sure your application is compatible. The difference between for example RC2 and RTM will not break program compability

Quote - XerXis said @ #45.2

erm, you have had more then a year to make sure your application is compatible. The difference between for example RC2 and RTM will not break program compability

Read what I posted - _final changes_ - and no, nowhere near a year because early builds have had fairly radical differences to what we have now. For example, Beta 2 and RC1 had a difference in the theme parts defined (I know as I asked MS to make the change so they wouldn't break my custom drawn themed app) and UAC has altered significant between revisions. RC2 _still_ won't let you use regsvr32.exe with UAC on - I'm hoping this changes in the RTM. I have installers (not mine I might add) that don't work on RC2 (installshield problems). Drawing issues - i've still got these and there's no way for me to be certain that they're not down to the unfinished OS or the buggy POS drivers from ATI. Foolish indeed you would be to sign off your product as 100% Vista ready based on RC2 - what company do you work for? I just need to know so I can skip the next version of your software lol..

"MSDN Subscriber Downloads Service Outage Notification

MSDN Subscriber Downloads will be unavailable from 7:00PM to 9:00PM Pacific time on Friday, November 10, 2006, for planned maintenance and upgrades. Both downloads and product keys will be unavailable, though downloads already in progress will not be interrupted. We apologize for any inconvenience."

Here's hoping it won't be a prolonged outage. Nothing must interfere with the Vista downloadfest!

Quote - ManMountain said @ #44
"MSDN Subscriber Downloads Service Outage Notification

MSDN Subscriber Downloads will be unavailable from 7:00PM to 9:00PM Pacific time on Friday, November 10, 2006, for planned maintenance and upgrades. Both downloads and product keys will be unavailable, though downloads already in progress will not be interrupted. We apologize for any inconvenience."

Here's hoping it won't be a prolonged outage. Nothing must interfere with the Vista downloadfest! :)

Chances are that it won't appear till next week on MSDN (read the bit about 7 days from RTM) so it shouldn't affect it.
Another week ain't gonna kill me

Quote - dangel said @ #44.1

Chances are that it won't appear till next week on MSDN (read the bit about 7 days from RTM) so it shouldn't affect it.
Another week ain't gonna kill me :)

If you actually read the sentence correctly on MSDN then you'll see it says WITHIN 7 days.

Quote - Tom W said @ #44.2

If you actually read the sentence correctly on MSDN then you'll see it says WITHIN 7 days.

Which part of 'chances are' were you uncertain about? Thanks for being a pedant - gold star for you! woot!

Quote - dangel said @ #44.1
"MSDN Subscriber Downloads Service Outage Notification

MSDN Subscriber Downloads will be unavailable from 7:00PM to 9:00PM Pacific time on Friday, November 10, 2006, for planned maintenance and upgrades. Both downloads and product keys will be unavailable, though downloads already in progress will not be interrupted. We apologize for any inconvenience."

Here's hoping it won't be a prolonged outage. Nothing must interfere with the Vista downloadfest! :)

MSDN subscriber downloads, TechNet subscriber downloads and Microsoft Volume license site are all "going down for maintenance and upgrades" at 7:00PM Pacific time on Friday.

I've never seen all three go down at once before and can only conclude this is to enable access to Vista and Office 2007 downloads once they come back up.

Does anyone know if it's being released to general OEM's as well as the big boys like Dell? If so, that would mean you can probably buy an OEM copy before very long!

I should be able to get it through MSDN at work. I'll definately blast my PC and give it a try - to be honest i'm not sure what to expect.

To be honest i'm a little worried about how bad it might potentially be.. my biggest beef is still the sheer amount of screen real estate that the desktop uses! Even with the sidebar off, etc I just found that the big borders and so on all made a 1280x1024 display feel cramped. Did anyone else find that? I use a 1600x1200 20" TFT at work and Vista on that is much more usable..

Ho hum.. as I say.. guess we'll have to see!

Quote - M118LR said @ #42.1
You can take the borders down to 1 if you wish.

..just like you could with XP. I see many people whinge about large borders in XP when they switch to large fonts - not realising they can customise them in just a few clicks.

I have a question on the version that will appear on MSDN, maybe someone can answer.
Can this version be installed/activated on several PCs, since all MSDN licenses are developer licenses, which can normally be installed on more than 1 machine?

You can install it on 10 pcs concurrently for _testing_ purposes only.

I shall be _testing_ it for a long time i think

Great to see that this day has finally come. Seemed like Vista would drag on forever for a while. Now, hopefully I'll have enough money for it when January comes around...

Finally ....

July 25th, 2001 to November 8th, 2006. (11/8 is the day before my birthday.)

Over 5 years of work. Man alive.

However, I'd rather wait until Vista SP1, aka Windows 6.1.

Then I'd dual-boot between XP Pro SP3 (in 2008 ) and Vista Ultimate SP1 and get the best of both worlds.

Meh, why not? *shrugs*

Quote - MtDewCodeRedFreak said @ #38
Finally ....

July 25th, 2001 to November 8th, 2006. (11/8 is the day before my birthday.)

Over 5 years of work. Man alive.

However, I'd rather wait until Vista SP1, aka Windows 6.1.

Then I'd dual-boot between XP Pro SP3 (in 2008 ) and Vista Ultimate SP1 and get the best of both worlds.

Meh, why not? *shrugs*

Vista SP1 will NOT be Windows 6.1... SP's never change the build number that much. It will still be 6.0.something

People must be easily pleased these days....gleefully smiling about Vista being released.

What should be the reaction is anger - that it's taken so slow and will deliver so little.

well while it took a long time you have no idea the pressure microsoft faced in ther labs. go to windows supersite and read the read to vista series he published of all the downs and ups Ms has doing longhorn

Quote - MrCobra said @ #37.2
It was called p*ss poor project management.

Exactly. So what Windows-diehards *should* have gotten was Longhorn, not a scaled down version of it SLATHERED in silly eyecady.

But it's better than XP at least.

Quote - M118LR said @ #35.1
So what if it leaks. You won't have a key to activate.

LMAO It's so cute that you actually think that matters.

Quote - LoneWolf3669 said @ #35.2

LMAO It's so cute that you actually think that matters.

I predict that by next month, it won't take more than 5 minutes' worth searching to get a key.

Quote - M118LR said @ #35.1
So what if it leaks. You won't have a key to activate.

HAHAHAHAHA that made my day... every heard of activation cracks? In XP, activation was completely ignored in some cracked versions. Maybe with WGA built into vista, cracking it and getting updates may be a bit difficult, but nothing like a leaked VLK clear up.

my 2 cents ^^^

Quote - OhMuffin said @ #35.4

HAHAHAHAHA that made my day... every heard of activation cracks? In XP, activation was completely ignored in some cracked versions. Maybe with WGA built into vista, cracking it and getting updates may be a bit difficult, but nothing like a leaked VLK clear up.

my 2 cents ^^^

VLK's need activation in vista. you know. because of people like you..

Quote - OhMuffin said @ #35.4

HAHAHAHAHA that made my day... every heard of activation cracks? In XP, activation was completely ignored in some cracked versions. Maybe with WGA built into vista, cracking it and getting updates may be a bit difficult, but nothing like a leaked VLK clear up.

my 2 cents ^^^

Well, it sounds like your 2 cents aren't worth ****. WGA and activation in ALL versions of Vista, including Server and corporate volume license versions.

Quote - OhMuffin said @ #35.4

HAHAHAHAHA that made my day... every heard of activation cracks? In XP, activation was completely ignored in some cracked versions. Maybe with WGA built into vista, cracking it and getting updates may be a bit difficult, but nothing like a leaked VLK clear up.

my 2 cents ^^^


yeah I love nubs like you that have the nerve to post here about pirating stuff. bet it makes you feel real special since most of the time people like you are either 13 or will be working at mcd's the rest of your life anyway.

Quote - ChopSuey said @ #35.7
If that's true, a lot of corporations will be ****ed and won't switch to VISTA. Microsoft isn't that stupid.

Unfortunately you are wrong. They are. Volume License versions of Vista will require activation. How this will be done at this moment is not very clear. I did read something about the companies with the volume license deals have to have a server running which will authenticate and activate each client within that company. Microsoft will have some way to read from this server the number of products activated and charge said company for them.

Quote - jasondefaoite said @ #35.10

Unfortunately you are wrong. They are. Volume License versions of Vista will require activation. How this will be done at this moment is not very clear. I did read something about the companies with the volume license deals have to have a server running which will authenticate and activate each client within that company. Microsoft will have some way to read from this server the number of products activated and charge said company for them.

then vlk its not really a VLK, too bad for companies, i hope they wont get vista so M$, its more annoyance and more cost to make this thing run. need a aditional server to activate what a i joke...

this its a waste of resources in bandwidth, and server processing for activation its a annoyance to any IT deparment.

Windows Vista and Office 2007 will be available through TechNet Subscriber downloads and MSDN within 7 days of release to manufacture (RTM). TechNet Subscriptions and MSDN are committed to making new content available to our subscribers as soon as is practical.

Quote - cardg said @ #28.1
Man...
Its just windows.

And it isnt even vienna (as if vienna will someday be something more then an ideal.)

lol!!

Quote - cardg said @ #28.1
Man...
Its just windows.

And it isnt even vienna (as if vienna will someday be something more then an ideal.)

dude, i got another 4 - 6 years till the Vienna banners go up. so till then.. I'm going to party like its 1995.

Quote - hardgiant said @ #22
Vista is a dud I'm going to pass altogether and wait for Vienna.


PS: Watch the Longhorn promo Video from 2003: http://youtube.com/watch?v=b9ifQvQCO7Y

sure wait 8 more years i fail to see where you feel Vista is a Dud . anyways yea if you want to wait 8 years to play games and have copatabilty for newer software sure be my guest.

Quote - Neomac v6 said @ #22.2
Why wait, just get Tiger now and Leopard early next year!

And you get to spend boatloads of money for a new ocmputer and you never gety to play any games.

Quote - HawkMan said @ #22.3

And you get to spend boatloads of money for a new ocmputer and you never gety to play any games. :)

Actually I guess that argument doesn't really fly anymore since comparable CD and C2D PC's are approximately the same value (not to all of apple's systems, but at least half of them now). I'm just going by what respectable people have stated (with facts to prove it) on Neowin, Slashdot, Anandtech, and a number of other locations.

I was about to say that at least the gaming part is right, then I remembered that you can run Windows on it if you want to play games anyway... or wait a bit for crossover to start working nicely and you won't even have to reboot anymore!

I'm one of those people that thought macs are niche computers that I would never be interested in, but since I switched to a G4 iBook in January, I've been getting more schoolwork done than ever before... I just don't have to deal with getting some software package to do this and that, and spending time to make everything work the way I want it to. It's not that I can't do it, it's just the time investment when I could be studying or doing assignments...

It's kind of like comparing Windows to Linux, just not to the same extreme. Don't get me wrong, I love linux for a server environment, but trying to get the right drivers or software to compile and install (particularly when there's no updated package for your distro) is a complete waste of time. On Windows you just download the installer, double click, go through the wizard (maybe restart?) and you're done. On the mac, for most apps, it's just download, drag & drop, unmount.

I'm excited for Vista because I'm hoping it will take XP's level of stability and merge it with OSX's level of simplicity. (Not that OSX isn't stable, but I find XP to be just as stable as OSX). Again, this is not because I can't figure out how to do things, but because I no longer have the time to sit down and figure things out when I could be spending that time studying. From the way the later Betas were, and RC1 (quick install and perusal), if they've ironed out the few kinks that bothered me, it seems they've headed in exactly that direction!

Jordan

Using Vista 5744 now and sure, it looks good, & would say it runs faster and smoother than xp....but when you look at that video and the intended features they were proposing, you can see just how short MS came to realising their idea's.
However it's still good news, and looking forward to getting the finished product.

I hope it does appear on MSDN on the 8th. I remember reading before that MS was aiming to have both Office and Vista available on MSDN within a week of going gold. To have it on the same day as Vista RTM will be sweet!

One thing I don't get regarding the different launch dates - will the version available to Enterprises on Nov 30th be different than the consumer versions available on Jan 30th? Will there be no Ultimate Edition for Enterprises? What about the versions available for download on MSDN tomorrow? Thanks to anyone who can clarify!

All Vista editions are same. You just need different keys.
So you can get Vista Nov 30 and use the Ultimate key to get Windows Vista Ultimate on Nov 30.

I think MSDN subscription gives you 2 ultimate keys.

Yarrrharr, I've been waiting for this day.

Now I have an excuse to format, repartition and optimize. This is gonna be sweet with my new upcoming setup!

Windows 2003 was great. Really better than xp even for workstation use.
But vista is really very more up to date.

"What's Windows Vista?"

It's what you get when you use Picture® Windows®, which you get when you buy Plate Glass® Windows®.

Quote - ScottKin said @ #9.1
Didn't you track those on Connect? All of mine were closed, so I can breath a sigh of relief.

--ScottKin


I couldn't track mine... My problem was pretty damn serious, so shall just have to wait.

Will there be an official trial version of Vista RTM available?

I want to dual boot for a while to see what its like without forking out for it before SP1 in a year or so.

I know its coming out for the rest of us in January, I was just wondering if there was like a 180 trial of Vista being made available, like the way most Microsoft software (eg Office, SQL Server etc...) are available for trial.