Windows Vista SP2 RC-Escrow build released to testers

Ars Technica reports that Microsoft has sent out the RC-Escrow build of SP2 for Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 to testers. An email has been sent to SP2 testers regarding this release. The RC-Escrow build is available for download from this Thursday as a standalone installer or via Windows Update or as a slipstreamed download. Microsoft claims that the service pack includes 656 individual hotfixes.

The Escrow Build is a build where development halts and developers & beta testers start testing the product for any show-stopper bugs. Microsoft has emphasized this to testers to concentrate only on the regressions and confirmation of fixes when asking for feedback which includes the RC Escrow install survey.

Public beta of SP2 was released in December 2008 and Vista SP2 RC Escrow Build was rumored to be released in February and the final release was expected to happen in May or June.

TechARP has published the updated release schedule. Seems like we have missed it somehow. According to TechARP, the final RC build is now expected to happen on Feb 16th and the final release is expected to happen around April or May.


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My laptop, with a 64-bit Turion, 2gb DDR Dual Channel RAM, brand spankin new 320gb hard drive, NVidia graphics (shared 128) runs Vista 64-bit Business like a charm. There are too many people who jumped on the "vista sucks" bandwagon. SP2 will hopefully make things even better. I ran the beta for 7 and took it off after only 2 weeks. Those who think it is what Vista should have been are sadly mistaken. I will not spend a penny on 7 and I cannot imagine it will be a huge moneymaker for Microsoft as many believe it will be.

Windows 7 will be a big money maker because of the all the hate for Windows Vista.” I like Vista", it now runs well (thanks to SP1 and resolved driver issues).

I think we all can agree that there is always going to be something wrong with an O/S no matter who makes it. I run Win 7, Vista, and Mac OS 10, and can say that all three have their problems along with their pluses. And, I have not really had a great deal of problems with Vista as others have. I build custom computers for the farming industry, and the operating system of choice is stiill Win 2000 Pro thu other the last two years about 30% of my customers have upgraded to XP (No Mac, Vista, or Linux operating system to date have been installed.

I just haven't had the nerve to go head first into 7 on my main PC, but I am using it full time on my laptop. It's not bad.

I'm hoping that this SP will pacify me now as I need to do a complete reformat on my box.

I have a couple of questions about this. Is this stable enough to make it a primary os until it is released? I would like to try this OS but I hate dual booting anymore. Also. if i use it in VPC what will be my troubles with it? Will it run like it would if i just installed it fresh?

People who are enjoying 7 should remember that the public beta will expire in August 2009. Guess what headline we're going to see up on neowin.net on August 1st: "Windows 7 version 7000 expires; millions of users at an uproar as they are forced back onto Vista" followed by "Microsoft extends the beta to run until 2012: existing Vista owners are eligible for a free upgrade to 7"

AnthoWin said,
People who are enjoying 7 should remember that the public beta will expire in August 2009. Guess what headline we're going to see up on neowin.net on August 1st: "Windows 7 version 7000 expires; millions of users at an uproar as they are forced back onto Vista" followed by "Microsoft extends the beta to run until 2012: existing Vista owners are eligible for a free upgrade to 7"


If only.

I look forward to Vista SP2. I use Windows 7 build 7000 on my main laptop now without any problems. That said, before it ran Vista SP1 also without any problems. I liked Vista and have no complaints except for folder view settings.

Yes, win 7 is greatly improved, but it still has programs in the area of folder settings in file manager (explorer). Thus, far that is the only problem I have noticed other than minor glitzes in IE8 for for win 7,

Vista is plenty stable and works great. Anyone saying otherwise has never really tried it. There is a ton of bias out there due to rumors/lies spread about Vista.

And how do you guys know that SP2 for Vista isn't the same things that were added to Windows7? Since Windows 7 *IS* Vista, just modified a little.

TC17 said,
Vista is plenty stable and works great. Anyone saying otherwise has never really tried it. There is a ton of bias out there due to rumors/lies spread about Vista.

And how do you guys know that SP2 for Vista isn't the same things that were added to Windows7? Since Windows 7 *IS* Vista, just modified a little.

A couple things:

1. Windows 7 is not "Vista, just modified a little".
2. There is a "ton of bias" for Vista, and you know what? It's Microsoft's fault, since Vista basically sucked at RTM. If Microsoft would have given enough time for vendors to provide working Vista drivers that would have stopped the "rumors/lies spread about Vista". At the beginning these so-called "rumors/lies" were actually the truth. The problem is that since then Vista has gotten much better, but you know what buddy? Microsoft isn't getting the word out so people still think it sucks when really it doesn't.

non.sequitur2 said,


A couple things:

1. Windows 7 is not "Vista, just modified a little".
2. There is a "ton of bias" for Vista, and you know what? It's Microsoft's fault, since Vista basically sucked at RTM. If Microsoft would have given enough time for vendors to provide working Vista drivers that would have stopped the "rumors/lies spread about Vista". At the beginning these so-called "rumors/lies" were actually the truth. The problem is that since then Vista has gotten much better, but you know what buddy? Microsoft isn't getting the word out so people still think it sucks when really it doesn't.


vendors had enough time to create drivers, more then enough time they just didn't feel like

non.sequitur2 said,

A couple things:

1. Windows 7 is not "Vista, just modified a little".
2. There is a "ton of bias" for Vista, and you know what? It was not Microsoft's fault, since Vista was stable and fast at RTM. If Vendors would have provide working Vista drivers that would have stopped the "rumors/lies spread about Vista". At the beginning these so-called "rumors/lies" were actually false. And since then Vista has gotten much better, but you know what buddy? Microsoft has gotten the word out but people still think it sucks when really it doesn't.

Venders had plenty of time to get drivers out and it still took months after RTM to get good drivers. That was not the fault of Microsoft but the venders.

nekrosoft13 said,

vendors had enough time to create drivers, more then enough time they just didn't feel like

Exactly. non.sequitur2 has no idea what he's talking about. With the amount of times Vista was delayed/pushed back, hardware vendors had ample time to write drivers, and didn't bother, the worst offender of this being nVidia at the time.

With the amount of times Vista was delayed/pushed back, hardware vendors had ample time to write drivers, and didn't bother, the worst offender of this being nVidia at the time.

No, because after the Longhorn project reboot, the kernel was switched entirely, so this would have invalidated any drivers before the reboot. Jim Allchin himself (Vista project lead) have said that Vista was essentially only under development in around 2.5 years.

Jugalator said,
No, because after the Longhorn project reboot, the kernel was switched entirely, so this would have invalidated any drivers before the reboot. Jim Allchin himself (Vista project lead) have said that Vista was essentially only under development in around 2.5 years.

Longhorn Driver Model was the same as Vista Driver Model.
You don't understand. They didn't scrap everything.

TC17 said,
Vista is plenty stable and works great.


You must be living in Bizarro world.

- Vista is slow like hell. Specially with Laptop. Customer complain all the time about how slow it is. It's not a collective dream. I worked hard to find a multitude of tricks and tips to fix or alleviate some of these performance problems. But that's not good enough. Vista is bloathed and slow for that reason.

- Network. Everything that has to do with network in Vista is crap. Trying to share files between pc and network drive create continual lock-up. Also not a week goes by, that I don't have customer come in and complaining their internet connections doesn't work anymore. I've work countless hours trying to figure out what is going on, but it is a nightmare. Sometime reinstalling the network card (drivers) works, sometime it doesn't. In fact most of the time I do a restore to an earlier checkpoint and that solve the problem. And I can hear you with all your excuses for why this happen, but the fact of the matter is, that doesn't happen with XP.

And that's just a couples of things that is most frequent. I could go on for hours. But I have a job to go do ...

I hope MS will have the decence to offer incredible rebate on Win 7 license to everybody that got stuck with a Vista licence.

non.sequitur2 said,

A couple things:

1. Windows 7 is not "Vista, just modified a little".
2. There is a "ton of bias" for Vista, and you know what? It's Microsoft's fault, since Vista basically sucked at RTM. If Microsoft would have given enough time for vendors to provide working Vista drivers that would have stopped the "rumors/lies spread about Vista". At the beginning these so-called "rumors/lies" were actually the truth. The problem is that since then Vista has gotten much better, but you know what buddy? Microsoft isn't getting the word out so people still think it sucks when really it doesn't.


I agree with you "non.sequitur2"

After testing win 7 for the past month there is little chance I would ever go backwards to Vista or XP, however since I am setup with a dual boot (Win 7/Vista) there is a good chance I will download the Vista SP2 just to see if the fix a couple of things (i.e., file mangers inabilitily to keep folders organized as the user set them) LOL.

I'm running Win 7, and I'd stick to it. No turning back to Vista. Win 7 even poison me to buy a netbook for its joyous computer experience after nightmarish Vista. Samsung NC10 here I come!

Just, sorry I don't want my Vista Ultimate back. Even I've paid so much money for it.

Typhoeus said,
I'm running Win 7, and I'd stick to it. No turning back to Vista. Win 7 even poison me to buy a netbook for its joyous computer experience after nightmarish Vista. Samsung NC10 here I come!

Just, sorry I don't want my Vista Ultimate back. Even I've paid so much money for it.

What's joyous about a netbook experience? They're underpowered computers.

smooth3006 said,
i could care a less as i just got rid of vista and im now only running 7 beta !

it's "I couldn't care less"
what you said makes no sense at all

Read it again:

The Escrow Build is a build where development halts and developers & beta testers start testing the product for any show-stopper bugs

By that description is sounds like it is a beta.

'Beta' is a nickname for software which has passed the alpha testing stage of development and has been released to users for software testing before its official release. Beta testing allows the software to undergo usability testing with users who provide feedback, so that any malfunctions these users find in the software can be reported to the developers and fixed. Beta software can be unstable and could cause crashes or data loss.

Again:

Microsoft has emphasized this to testers to concentrate only on the regressions and confirmation of fixes

This may be a type of beta build, but only for the types of bugs listed above, usually done in RC builds

@chaks That's the definition of a Release Candidate. From what I can gather, Escrow refers to the fact that the original Release Candidate was pushed back a month.

@mclaren05, it doesn't sound at all like a beta to me.

Ah, it's making sense now, it means they expect no further RC's after the Escrow Build.

Hmm, well, the escrow build comes before the RC, so I think it means they expect no further updates to the RC build after the RC escrow build. That it's there to tell that "we won't do any further work before the RC unless something shows up".

Wait hold on, escrow before RC? Isn't that the other way around? The way i've thought of it all these years is that when MS puts Windows (client or server, SP etc) into escrow it's done with testing and being used by the company fully like a RTM release.

This why they get real world testing out of it themselves and, like the article states, look for any major show-stoppers. If they don't find any then they RTM it.

GP007 said,
Wait hold on, escrow before RC? Isn't that the other way around? The way i've thought of it all these years is that when MS puts Windows (client or server, SP etc) into escrow it's done with testing and being used by the company fully like a RTM release.

This why they get real world testing out of it themselves and, like the article states, look for any major show-stoppers. If they don't find any then they RTM it.
The last couple of Escrow's (IE8 and SP2) have been pre-RC "Status update" builds, released to show progress between major builds.

People like me, who downloaded win7, tried it out for a few days, and felt no compulsion whatsoever to get it when it arrives? And, if any further reasoning was necessary; i am having no problems whatsoever with vista.

geekypc said,
hehe yea, it does kinda feel that way doesn't it. The 7 beta is more stable than probably vista SP3 will be

In what way is Vista not stable?

lol, how did i know the trolls were going to come out of their cave for my comment. I have my opinions and more people share mine than yours.

geekypc said,
lol, how did i know the trolls were going to come out of their cave for my comment. I have my opinions and more people share mine than yours.

Right back at ya.

geekypc said,
lol, how did i know the trolls were going to come out of their cave for my comment. I have my opinions and more people share mine than yours.

There aren't many complaints about Vista's stability, the complaints are more about performance, which aren't even relevant anymore. Thanks for trying though.

well, I installed SP2 the public version before Win7 and actually Premiere Pro CS4 (last version) did not start. I had to uninstall it to get back to work. Although Windows 7 is supposedly another operating system, It´s working now flawlessly.

Sure, vistas not super stable. But it's the best we've got at the moment. I love it personally. It only screws up because of bad drivers for me, so I think it's a good operating system, and I blame companies like Realtek for this.

The 7 beta is more stable than probably vista SP3 will be

Vista SP1 is unstable for you? *shrug*

In that case, drivers or other software running close to the system sounds like the culprit. Vista has been very stable here. The reason Windows 7 is so stable is also because it makes no major architecture changes, while building on Vista.

Heh, Maybe you're trying to be a tad bit funny in all this, but Vista SP3? There's probably never going to be a SP3. At best maybe a roll-up pack for newer patches after SP2, but it seems to me that Vista so far hasn't had anywhere near the same number of critical security patches that XP went through from RTM up till SP2.

Vista is dead already.

Consumers have already decide to wait for Win 7. You can argue that they are wrong, you can also argue that they're right. You can argue for the bad economy. But the fact remain Computer sales are down.

I installed the 64-bit beta on a test PC. Dual-Core Intel E2220, 2 Gig Ram, Asus P5GC-MX with integrated VGA (Intel 945). Good PC, but nothing earth shatterring. The difference in performance with Vista is absolutely incredible.

There still some bug but it's first beta. I cannot download anything using IE 8. Download work fine with Firefox. Should be fix somewhere down the line.

Look promising.

GP007 said,
Heh, Maybe you're trying to be a tad bit funny in all this, but Vista SP3? There's probably never going to be a SP3. At best maybe a roll-up pack for newer patches after SP2, but it seems to me that Vista so far hasn't had anywhere near the same number of critical security patches that XP went through from RTM up till SP2.

Thanks for being the only one so far to have a brain AND a sense of humor.