Windows Vista To Power Up Indian Railways.

The Centre for Railway Information Systems, the umbrella organization for all computer activities on Indian Railways, along with Microsoft, has come out with a unique system for effectively monitoring the movement of trains operated by the Indian Railways. Built on Windows Vista, the Control Office application, will ensure that the 17 million passengers who travel by the Indian Railways every day and users of its freight services will get real time information on the exact location and arrival and departure times of all trains on their phones.

Link: Times Of India

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for all you MS and Indian Railway bashers.. u can never imagine to have such great organisations. pick up your phones and dial your technical centers.. yes u will hear indians.. i agree that you hate the accent but cmon.. indians do better IT than any one so shut you baseless comments and please remember that indians knows whats good for them.

(coolkat007 said @ #1)
indians do better IT than any one so shut you baseless comments and please remember that indians knows whats good for them.

No they dont.

They are still a developing nation and while a lot of companies are breaking ground there and I have no doubt it will become a very thriving economy its very much a do and die place and company's pay for centrers to be located their because they are willing to work a week for the same job as a daily wage elsewhere.

People don't so much hate the accent just that somebody talking English as their mother tongue is a lot better to talk to on the phone than somebody is merely fluent and reading from a script.

(Unplugged said @ #21.2)


No they dont.

Ok, your apparent dislike of Indian call-center workers in no way explains why you think that they themselves are incapable of knowing what's good for them. They're a sovereign nation so if they don't have the absolute authority to decide what's good or not for themselves, then who does? You, of all people?

(Rahul said @ #21.1)
im an Indian & even i find their accent weird, so chill & stay away from mah ppl of the republic of Neowin !!

im as indian as you are and as neowinian as you are.. all im saying is people who are making the decisions are not dumb!. I have issues with call center people but the point im making here is we know more tech than more people (jees.. we have more engineers than anyone) so as the person above this post said.. we are indipendent and we know exactly what we need. and who are you to decide if we are underdeveloped or developed or "developing" nation?

Wow these comments are RETARDED. Vista is being used as the client, we have no idea what's being used on the back end. Also vista is nearly the same ****ing code as server 2008 you idiots.

Anyway go on with your mindless vista bashing.

Woah, Indian Railways on Neowin!! Niceee!!

I see this as a good and a major development for the Indian Railway sector. Being one of the largest railway networks in the world, we do need up-to date stable systems.

If theres a need for up to date stable systems then why the hell are they running vista? or any microsoft software at this point? unix is the only way to go if you're serious about stability and security. Microsoft is probably paying the indian government lots of money and giving more people jobs at their activation centers in india.

(Ender2070 said @ #17.1)
If theres a need for up to date stable systems then why the hell are they running vista? or any microsoft software at this point? unix is the only way to go if you're serious about stability and security. Microsoft is probably paying the indian government lots of money and giving more people jobs at their activation centers in india.

How about its the most widely used OS in India and by far the most compatible? Linux trend hasn't really taken over India as of now, Mac's are just beginning to make an impression on the average computer user here. 2 years ago, Mac was a computer that was only used in western countries, most people hadn't even seen a Mac, they had just heard about it. These days, Apple stores have come up in bundles and people are beginning to buy Mac's and making the shift.

And Vista is a pretty stable OS, might not be as stable as Unix, but it is still pretty darn stable.
I'm sure the Indian Railway doesn't need money from Microsoft, the only sector of the Govt. whose budget is entirely independent and runs up in hundreds of millions to billions, really wouldn't need money from a MNC. Its just an expansion motive.

(sibot said @ #17)
Woah, Indian Railways on Neowin!! Niceee!!

I see this as a good and a major development for the Indian Railway sector. Being one of the largest railway networks in the world, we do need up-to date stable systems.

I hope they fix up the current air control system; it is circa 1950's.

Then again, the new multi-billion dollar rail network is going to be interesting; I hope that India learns from the mistakes in the west and stamp down on 'private car ownership' instead of being seen as some sort of 'symbol of prosperity'.

AFAIK Vista is a client not a server, so vista can do a little in this system but to be used as a terminal server.

(Magallanes said @ #17)
AFAIK Vista is a client not a server, so vista can do a little in this system but to be used as a terminal server.

As far as you know, you're wrong. Windows Vista has nothing to do with Terminal Services. Terminal services is available on Windows 2008 server.

As I said previously (I wish people actually bloody well read posts instead of posting the same stupid **** over and over again) - Windows Vista is being used on the client - there is NO MENTION on what they're going to use on the backend - hell, it could be a mainframe for all we know.

If anyone can implement this correctly, it will be India. I mean, they have been providing supporting the OS since it was first released!

geez ... gadzillion of rupees must have exchanged hands under the table before a calamity like this is allowed to happen. ...

Geez..... Windows operating systems crash. Trains from time to time crash. For some apparent reason, these 2 just simply do not mix........

It is funny how many people here think they are smarter than everyone else. Almost all the posts above are suggesting that India Railways use this or that. I'm sure that Indian Railways IT personnel and MS personnel would have many reasons on to why they are using Vista instead of Server 2008. That doesn't mean they are stupid...

I don't care what OS will they use really. I just wanted to say that people have to stop bashing and ranting at everything MS related with clueless comments and arguments. I'm not defending anyone, but please read the posts and you will notice what i mean.

Yes it does mean they are stupid. Microsoft software being used for something that requires 99% uptime is insane.

I agree other people are clueless, but on the other hand the most advanced and fastest super computer in the world - one that will be used to run extremely mission critical government and science apps is running on what? Linux? Yes! It is... If you don't believe me look up the IBM Roadrunner, it's powered by "6,948 dual-core AMD Opteron chips with 12,960 Cell processor engines."

(Ender2070 said @ #10.1)
Yes it does mean they are stupid. Microsoft software being used for something that requires 99% uptime is insane.

I agree other people are clueless, but on the other hand the most advanced and fastest super computer in the world - one that will be used to run extremely mission critical government and science apps is running on what? Linux? Yes! It is... If you don't believe me look up the IBM Roadrunner, it's powered by "6,948 dual-core AMD Opteron chips with 12,960 Cell processor engines."

You would be surprised by the amount of mission-critical applications and systems being ran on Windows. Not to say that Linux is not worth it but it is useless to argue that mission-critical systems has to be run in Linux/Unix only, this has become a myth now. It depends on the systems altogether. So people now can choose whatever they want to run their business given that Windows has become more and more stable over the years (XP and Server 2003 included).

ok I know they said they are gona develop it on Windows Vista.. but thats the client UI and not Server thingy.. Server will obiously run on Windows Server 2008... common guys use common sense..

of but I forgot.. here we have majority 13 years old kids.

Vista sp1 is 99.98% the exact same code as server 2008. Get the **** off this vista bashing crap. Now of course, they would have been better and wiser to use server 2008 because server 2008 is optimized for server functions.

That's whats been claimed.

But I'm still waiting for someone to actually do a diff / use beyond compare's directory compare on a fresh install of vista 64 sp1 and server 2008 64, and write up a summary of the reality.

The people who have installed 2008 and then turned on all the vista default install options, aero etc, still swear blind it runs a hell of a lot better than v64 SP1, and I'd like to know why.

This is something that I would like to know as well. In my humble opinion it is not Vista bashing. In the past, with XP.... the move to Win2k3 made sense because of a new kernel and a more optimized user-land. In this case, the kernel is basically the same, at least since Sp1. Still, I have seen tons of individuals claim that Windows 2k8 run as a workstation is significantly faster. It would be interesting to know if they turn on all the services (Aero, Search and others) or if the selective turning on of services (and modifications of settings) is what makes it faster. A general review of the code base and file system structure is in order.

Now, if there was just a way to find an affordable, legal copy of Windows 2008... that might help some of us.

(sirgh0st said @ #8)
Vista sp1 is 99.98% the exact same code as server 2008. Get the **** off this vista bashing crap. Now of course, they would have been better and wiser to use server 2008 because server 2008 is optimized for server functions.

If you actually took the time to read the article, there is no mention of the server; the only thing mentioned is the client (Windows Vista) and the client software that will run on it.

As for the whole setup; I'm a Mac zealot, but atleast I can acknowledge that a good quality hardware and Windows, there are no issues. Given that in this situation, software isn't being loaded on and off all the time, there is no 'website surfing', nor are people using it to do stuff a 'home user' would use it for, I don't understand why people bring up old chest nuts.

I wonder how many people it will take to monitor and reboot all those tempermental Vista machines. I know labor is cheap in India, but this is crazy.

Because windows vista sucks. lol i am one of those XP users. i have vista on a few other machines but i prefer XP... but this is not the case. this should had been built on windows 2003 or 2008. lol

(Relativity_17 said @ #4.1)
Why not?

Because if they were smart they'd use Server 08 like someone else mentioned.

Should be using a stable Server OS for mission critical apps instead of a semi stable Desktop OS.


And no I'm not stuck on XP, I just understand software and it's uses

(z0phi3l said @ #4.3)

Because if they were smart they'd use Server 08 like someone else mentioned.

Should be using a stable Server OS for mission critical apps instead of a semi stable Desktop OS.


And no I'm not stuck on XP, I just understand software and it's uses

You and that other guy really are clueless. Server 08 = Vista + more networking solutions and some added encryption.

If you have Vista Ultimate SP1, its really not that different from Server 08. And in case you didn't know, Server 08 was built off of Vista. So shut your mindless rants and get some brains.

(Swordnyx said @ #4.4)
And in case you didn't know, Server 08 was built off of Vista. So shut your mindless rants and get some brains.

It wasn't so much 'built off of Vista' as it is 'IS Vista'.

Server 2008 and Vista SP1 share a common codebase. Every binary in Server 2008 has been compiled from the exact same source code as the corresponding binary in Vista SP1.

(MioTheGreat said @ #4.5)

It wasn't so much 'built off of Vista' as it is 'IS Vista'.

Server 2008 and Vista SP1 share a common codebase. Every binary in Server 2008 has been compiled from the exact same source code as the corresponding binary in Vista SP1.

Haha I see what you are trying to say, but just to counter your "correction":
Server 08 was built OFF OF Vista. Vista SP1 was built OFF OF Server 08.

Sorry but the desire to pwn just struck me when you said that.

Seriously, is this really built on Windows Vista? Shouldn't it at least be Windows Server 2008 or something?

(shhac said @ #2.1)
BSOD was a feature in XP not vista.

no it was a feature in 9x... I only ever had Blue screens when video drivers or bad drivers where written in XP... and that is HARDLY MS's fault!

(ghostwind said @ #2)
cue BSOD jokes in.... 3... 2... 1...

LMAO, clicked comments because I couldn't resist making a joke out of it, but yeh, they are gonna call this the Microsoft Blue Train Screening OS