Windows XP Mode final release coming October 22

Microsoft's Windows XP Mode for Windows 7 Professional or higher has RTM'd (Release to Manufacturing) today and will be available for download from Microsoft Download Center on October 22. OEM manufactures will be able to offer Windows XP Mode on their PCs, based on their shipping schedules to consumers.

The design purpose for Windows XP Mode is to help put business owners' minds at ease when upgrading to Windows 7 to ensure their applications are backwards compatible. Windows XP Mode will allow any program to run smoothly in Windows 7 Professional or higher just as it does in Windows XP. This also includes USB peripherals such as printers and pen drives, when they are run through the Windows XP Mode application.

Windows XP Mode offers users a free virtual-PC based edition of Windows XP SP3 on Windows 7 Professional or higher. Windows XP Mode is now compatible with not only Windows XP software but Windows Vista software too. Windows 7 integrates XP Mode into the desktop so applications run just like any normal application would.

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Sadelwo said,
As far as I've read, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what Apple did when they released OSX?


In a way... "Classic" mode was just OS9 running ontop of OSX that you had to launch from inside OSX

neufuse said,
In a way... "Classic" mode was just OS9 running ontop of OSX that you had to launch from inside OSX

Which is pretty much the same as Windows XP Mode. You're running Windows XP on top of Windows 7.

Ok, this may sound utterly stupid, but why no one ever thought of having something similar in Ubuntu? I'm not talking "wine" here and I know you can set up a virtual machine, but that doesn't make launching "virtual-ized" programs easy just as having them in the start menu as in win7/xpm, of course a valid windows xp installation would be needed...

Again, forgive me for my lack of knowledge for the linux/visualization stuff.

Well lets see why I have sold an engineering company on it and they have been testing and running Win 7 RC and XPM. They can run Bentley, Microstation J and Land Desktop in the XPM and do not need to move up to 2010 versions. Microstation J is a must for some of their work as well as the others. It does exactly what they need it to do. There are many companies that are willing to upgrade to a new PC but don't want to downgrade the OS. This is a way for them to have both the upgrade of the new PC and the new OS as well as working with legacy/older software. It plots fine, it prints fine and it works in ACAD drafting fine.

So where is the scam? The solution did exactly what it was supposed to do. It allowed for a consumer to upgrade a new OS, keep an old one and be happy.

Inquirer seems to be a bunch of cry babies.

It is not a scam, it is a virtual machine with Windows XP installed on it so people can run older programs that aren't coded properly on Windows 7. Was Rosetta a scam?

Did you note the date of the original Inq (eewwwwww) post? Lots of things have changed since their "review". Follow the link in the original post for more info, including what's changed since the beta.

The Inquirer is hardly a credible or reliable source, and how is giving away a free copy of XP which is integrated into Windows 7 a scam?

Be grateful, Microsoft could of charged everyone $100+ to obtain and use it.

Also this should run just fine on any machine made within the last 4 - 5 years without much of an issue so long as you have the memory to support running the operating system and a virtual machine.

I tested XP in a virtual environment on a crappy Celeron D, 1 GB of ram, and a Geforce FX 5500. I don't think it's going to take much horsepower to run this, so don't fret. :)

Hardware acceleration would make a wold of difference though, wonder if they might push out hardware acceleration as an update down the road?

the enquirer
IF YOU HAVEN'T been stuck in a cave lately, you will undoubtedly have heard that Windows Vista SP2.1, aka Windows 7

and stopped reading there....

GreyWolfSC said,
It is not a scam, it is a virtual machine with Windows XP installed on it so people can run older programs that aren't coded properly on Windows 7. Was Rosetta a scam?

Rosetta can't be compared with this. Windows XP Mode is similar to the Classic environment of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and below.

.Neo said,
Rosetta can't be compared with this. Windows XP Mode is similar to the Classic environment of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and below.

It's the same thing. It's a shim that lets you run a previous OS in a sandbox. Rosetta does the same thing, but emulates the PPC as well.

GreyWolfSC said,
It's the same thing. It's a shim that lets you run a previous OS in a sandbox. Rosetta does the same thing, but emulates the PPC as well.


No, Rosetta does not emulate the entire OS, it only emulates the PPC processor for code that is not Universal. Classic is a complete VM, like XP Mode, but does not emulate the processor, so it doesn't work on Intel Macs. The only thing that allows running Classic apps on an Intel Mac would be an emulator like SheepShaver, although it does not have desktop integration like XP Mode or Classic.

Would be nice if it had hardware acceleration, would be useful for legacy games or applications which require hardware acceleration and don't work on Windows Vista/Seven.

I'm loving Windows 7, but I also have some old games and applications from the Windows 95/98 era I loved using as well. It would be a shame if I had to throw these in the bin, I don't have any more money to purchase a copy of XP and I don't feel like setting up a dual boot just to use these legacy games and applications.

I also noticed some games don't install on Windows 7, Area 51 fails to install since the installation script terminates prematurely before the game can install. It requires an edit to the MSI file which I don't feel like digging into due to lack of technical knowledge.

This is where XP mode could really shine for Windows users who are reluctant to let go of Windows XP due to legacy applications and games which don't run on the newer operating systems.

Have you tried installing in "Compatibility" mode? I've found a lot of MSI-based installs seem to work fine if Win7 just spoofs itself.

Thunderbuck said,
Have you tried installing in "Compatibility" mode? I've found a lot of MSI-based installs seem to work fine if Win7 just spoofs itself.

Sadly, yes I've tried compatibility mode without much luck. I still have the same problem irregardless of whether I run the installer in compatibility mode.

I've run F-22 TAW, Jane's F/A- 18 and NFS Porche Unleashed on Win 7 without issue or need for compatibility settings on both 32 and 64 bit.

Not that we'll ever know, but I'll say "yes, most likely".

XP Mode is going to be the Win7 "killer app". It works really well (though less advanced users just might need some help in configuring it, and actually starting a virtualized app is a bit slow), and it takes away the excuse that a user "has" to have XP.

James Riske said,
I wonder if something like this would have been able to save vista.

Well, does XP mode make Vista faster, and less annoying? No. Does it stop Vista for re-arranging everything, so even the simplest thing in XP takes minutes just to find in Vista? No. Does it make XP run faster on your machine from when it is only running with one OS? No. Does it make Vista any better? No.

James Riske said,
I wonder if something like this would have been able to save vista.

Considering Vista wasn't bad, it's a non-issue.

@ Cakesy:

Do you just sit on neowin all day trolling against Microsoft threads?

Use instant search from the start menu to find stuff if you can't locate it.
Upgrade your hardware to something mid-budget at the time Vista was released. Judging from your relentless bias and total lack of credible information I'm assuming you've never used Vista or tried it once on a 3 year old PC in 2006/2007.

The biggest REAL problem with Vista within enterprises was the application issues. Most apps worked fine, however apps that were coded badly (assumed users had admin rights, used hard-coded paths to C:Documents and Settings rather than using environmental variables etc.) didn't work.
Developers that READ MSDN - their apps worked OK. In-house devs that didn't read up on standards before writting their app (and didn't test on Vista in the 2 year beta stage) had their apps broken.

XP Mode fixes this for the remaining apps that cannot be rewritten to use proper Win32 development standards.

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Well, does XP mode make Vista faster, and less annoying?
-Nope - but improving your hardware will

Does it stop Vista for re-arranging everything, so even the simplest thing in XP takes minutes just to find in Vista?
-No idea about the "rearranging" comment, but finding stuff in Vista has been one of the best things my users have mentioned. Instant search - they love it!

Does it make XP run faster on your machine from when it is only running with one OS?
-I see your making your point twice, but I'll repeat myself anyway - UPGRADE YOUR HARDWARE! 2Gig of RAM and a non-budget CPU from the last 3 years will do fine. (V. modern P4 or some sort of dual core, or a similar AMD)

THANK YOU stevehoot. It's the same b.s. all day long with this guy. Anything to bash MS and proclaim Apple as the savior of mankind.

looking forward to it ;D i have loads of half-legacy software (mostly custom firmware flashers for pos scales and things like that) that won't run on either 7 or vista, and now I can run them "in" windows 7 :)

no need for that oldass xp laptop we use for jobs like that:p
(okok, i know that i could have done it earlier with other visualization software) but this makes it all easier

Can I use XP Mode as a solution to install XP-era sound card driver to get some sound out of my old system that has Windows 7 Pro on it? It's a Creative card...

Doubtful. I haven't played with it yet, but seeing as how it is a seperate OS completely it won't be integrated that well...

You are basically running two seperate OSs.

npe said,
Can I use XP Mode as a solution to install XP-era sound card driver to get some sound out of my old system that has Windows 7 Pro on it? It's a Creative card...

Doesn't work like that

npe said,
Can I use XP Mode as a solution to install XP-era sound card driver to get some sound out of my old system that has Windows 7 Pro on it? It's a Creative card...


What card is it a lot of creative cards have windows 7 drivers. i am using an audigy 2 just fine in windows 7

I see. Thanks.

It's a SoundBlaster Live card. I've tried to install a few drivers from Creative but it didn't work. I'll try something else. Thanks.

npe said,
I see. Thanks.

It's a SoundBlaster Live card. I've tried to install a few drivers from Creative but it didn't work. I'll try something else. Thanks.

Try the kX drivers. They are a 3rd party made drivers for emu10k1/2 sound cards i.e. Live! and Audigy. I'm not sure if i'm allowed to post links directly to a post on another forums, if I'm not please let me know.

Homepage (and latest stable version): http://kxproject.lugosoft.com

Compatibility list is in here: http://kb.kxproject.lugosoft.com/list.html

You can get the current beta version from here (the one Win7 compatible): http://www.driverheaven.net/general-discus...ed-x86-x64.html

npe said,
Can I use XP Mode as a solution to install XP-era sound card driver to get some sound out of my old system that has Windows 7 Pro on it? It's a Creative card...

Go over to the Creative Labs forums and look for Daniel_k posts. He has drivers for a lot of the older cards for 7.

dead.cell said,
Super. :)

Yea, it sounds good. I didn't even realize it wasn't finalized. It's been fine for me for the past month or so.

agreenbhm said,
Yea, it sounds good. I didn't even realize it wasn't finalized. It's been fine for me for the past month or so.

This is good news. Finally, Microsoft has given up on convincing everyone to move to Vista/w7, and released a new version of XP. This will keep all the people who just want to get work done happy. Good for you Microsoft, admitting when you are wrong.

Does anyone know what this new version offers over the last one?

Is there anyone besides me who can't try it due to processor not having virtualization support?

This is not a new version of Windows XP, it's just a Virtual Mode for Windows 7 for those running Windows 7 that need legacy support. It can only be run in a virtual environment within Windows 7. Microsoft didn't do anything wrong with releasing a new OS, trollboy.


Nope, you're the only one on Earth. Why don't you have a new AMD processor that has hardware virtualization support? It's real good.

cakesy said,
This is good news. Finally, Microsoft has given up on convincing everyone to move to Vista/w7, and released a new version of XP. This will keep all the people who just want to get work done happy. Good for you Microsoft, admitting when you are wrong.

Does anyone know what this new version offers over the last one?

You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

cakesy said,
This is good news. Finally, Microsoft has given up on convincing everyone to move to Vista/w7, and released a new version of XP. This will keep all the people who just want to get work done happy. Good for you Microsoft, admitting when you are wrong.

Does anyone know what this new version offers over the last one?


You are seriously clueless when it comes to this. It's the same thing from you over and over again. Anything to bash Microsoft. This is NOT a new version of XP. We all know you're a Mac fanboy. Go back to slurping up the Steve Jobs man gravy.