Wisconsin School buys 800 iPads with Microsoft's cash

The iPad is quickly making its way in to the classroom and with the recent iBooks announcement, the trend will continue to grow. For one school in Madison, Wisconsin, they just purchased 800 iPads with Microsoft cash.

The basis for the purchase started back in 2009 when the State of Wisconsin negotiated a settlement with Microsoft that related to a consumer lawsuit over software. The result of that settlement put cash into the school systems, which is now funding the purchase of the iPads. The irony is that Microsoft is now indirectly purchasing a product that it hopes to quash with Windows 8 tablets. The company is once again late to market and playing catch-up against more established products.

The entire state of Wisconsin is benefiting from the outcome of the lawsuit. Microsoft give the state $3.4 million dollars that the state then divided equally among the schools. 

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This article is mostly false.

There is not one specific school that is buying or bought 800 iPads.
The Madison School district, of which there are 54 schools, gave each of the schools a certain amount of the the Microsoft settlement money to spend. The school district basically gave a list of items that they could spend with that money.
On that list for "tablets" was:
Kindle/WiFi, Nook, Nook Color and iPad.
The schools themselves made their choices on their own.
So the total order for "Tablets" with that money was something like this.
Nook - 3
Nook Color - 1
Kindle - 51
iPads 679
This portion of the money is only a fraction of the money awarded to the School district. The School District, of 54 schools, also ordered over 1500 well needed Windows Desktop and Laptop computers with the settlement money. All of which will be replacing computers designed and running Windows XP, a 10 year old OS. As well as many other miscellaneous hardware items.
Not sure where Brad Sams got his information for this story but it is incorrect and skewed to fit his agenda.

"The entire state of Wisconsin is benefiting from the outcome of the lawsuit. Microsoft give the state $3.4 million dollars that the state then divided equally among the schools."

This statement is also false.

To the writer. How is Microsoft late exactly? The tablet market is only 2 years old as of the birth-date of the iPad. It's a GROWING market...

I suppose when Android showed up a year LATE, that was to LATE to take the 53% market it has now and is growing.

And since RIM and HP will be 2 less players in both the tablet and smartphone market, it would seem a big name player like Microsoft could surely play too.

Oh and I guess Microsoft having never made a console, was to late to enter into a market that started way back with the Atari systems? I guess when Sony entered the console market with big players like Sega and Nintendo, it was to late then too...right?

And since Apple entered the smartphone market nearly 2 decades behind other smartphone makers, I guess it was to late too. and I guess when they entered the portable music player market which was owned by Sony Walkman for years and even Creative had a run, it was to late too.

I guess Windows was to late too when Microsoft entered the market 5 years after Apple did?

Here is a clue for you, IT'S NEVER TO LATE.
In your case, its never to late to grow some brains and actually write an article that is factual in content, and not appear written by someone just getting to the 6th grade.

They should have used to extra cash to improve to schools facilities for all. Apple really knows how to sell stuff. Microsoft can't seem to get it but I have high hopes for windows 8 they can turn it around.

"The company is once again late to market and playing catch-up against more established products." What does that have to do with anything? & considering Windows for Pen Computing released in 1991 & the iPad released in 2010, I wouldn't exactly call Microsoft late to the tablet market...

Apple invested a lot of time, effort, & cash to make sure teachers &/or profs preferred their products. As far as why an iPad, or why not, depends on what the targeted purpose is. If you're just replacing textbooks I don't see how anyone could argue it's not a waste -- a volume deal on whatever reader would be immensely more practical in most every way. If you want/need internet access for stuff like research again there are much cheaper, more practical alternatives. If the iPad is what works best for special needs students, so be it.

The linked article [the Wisconsin State Journal] says no one's sure just how they'll use their new toys, with all sorts of excitement about possibilities, but what will actually happen, what the results will be is unknown. Long story short they got extra money & spent it, & will no doubt be crying about budget woes in the [probably near] future. Maybe it will turn out to be a wise investment, maybe not, but they should have done more to figure that out before they made the purchase. Reality is times are tough economically, & will remain that way for a good while. School systems are going to have to make due with less cash -- the gov simply doesn't have the money to give them. If schools can save money using tech they need to -- school boards or admins that seem more concerned with making teachers happy, & less concerned with how they'll pay for it, are going to be looking for new jobs/careers. That's reality -- not politics.

The real problem is in the economics. According to the reports about this deal with the iBooks each student has to have an Apple id so some one has to keep all these things up. That is another cost associated with this tech. Also add the IT department getting more work or even adding an IT dept. Added security for the 40,000 in electronics they have picked up. This will be a hard project to maintain without additional funds. It seems that excitement and emotions have given way to rational thinking. I like the idea as well but I only have to budget for 2 kids not almost 1000. Seems that this was not completely thought out.

mikiem said,
Apple invested a lot of time, effort, & cash to make sure teachers &/or profs preferred their products. As far as why an iPad, or why not, depends on what the targeted purpose is. If you're just replacing textbooks I don't see how anyone could argue it's not a waste -- a volume deal on whatever reader would be immensely more practical in most every way. If you want/need internet access for stuff like research again there are much cheaper, more practical alternatives. If the iPad is what works best for special needs students, so be it.

The linked article [the Wisconsin State Journal] says no one's sure just how they'll use their new toys, with all sorts of excitement about possibilities, but what will actually happen, what the results will be is unknown. Long story short they got extra money & spent it, & will no doubt be crying about budget woes in the [probably near] future. Maybe it will turn out to be a wise investment, maybe not, but they should have done more to figure that out before they made the purchase. Reality is times are tough economically, & will remain that way for a good while. School systems are going to have to make due with less cash -- the gov simply doesn't have the money to give them. If schools can save money using tech they need to -- school boards or admins that seem more concerned with making teachers happy, & less concerned with how they'll pay for it, are going to be looking for new jobs/careers. That's reality -- not politics.

How shocking...

In other news, schools use money from the B&M Gates Foundation to buy Apple computers and iPads too.

Microsoft, especially Bill Gates is not like Apple, and I'm sure he prefers schools buy Windows devices and PCs, but he has stated he would rather have them investing in ANY technology rather than none, even if it is Apple products.


This is story is kind of moot if ya understand that Microsoft isn't Apple and doesn't demand compliance, the only cute part was how the money was obtained.

Besides with the Microsoft Apps for iPad and the upcoming Office for iPad, like Mac users, Microsoft will probably make as much off of iPad sales as they do Mac sales, which on average is higher than PC users, because Mac users buy Office and often buy a copy of Windows, etc.

people are ****ed off because they are wasting education money on stupid gadgets. Did Isaac Newtown have an ipad? did Bill Gates? did Steve Jobs? i dont think so. Learn like the rest of us did.

the420kid said,
people are ****ed off because they are wasting education money on stupid gadgets. Did Isaac Newtown have an ipad? did Bill Gates? did Steve Jobs? i dont think so. Learn like the rest of us did.

The way we learn this changes all the time... The learning tools of today didn't exist in the days of the people you mention. Times change, sir.

the420kid said,
people are ****ed off because they are wasting education money on stupid gadgets. Did Isaac Newtown have an ipad? did Bill Gates? did Steve Jobs? i dont think so. Learn like the rest of us did.

Good point, however and sadly the way computers are used tend to be glorified books.

Back in 1998 I was on an education technology board, and the biggest fight was with the science teachers as they just assumed kids would play games with computers, and they had no place in a class room, nor did teachers need them, blah blah blah...

With well designed illustration Applications and instructional tools on the device and integration with the school and the teacher, there are ways to use computers in general in many ways beyond what is used today. That DO add additional education and instruction and support for students. However most computers and devices are implemented in small school system by IT people that should be truck drivers, as they have no formal CIS training or vision.

Just introducing kids to animations of particles versus waves and the strange behavior of quantum physics can take an hour lecture and reduce it to a 1 minute animation that is tangible.

thenetavenger said,
... Just introducing kids to animations of particles versus waves and the strange behavior of quantum physics can take an hour lecture and reduce it to a 1 minute animation that is tangible.

SO the teach shows that animation using a projector connected to their laptop, which is what they should be doing, what they could/should have done a done a decade ago.

Wow so much criticism. Lucky all of you are in the education sector so you know the impact of these devices? Lets look at the other side of the coin...
- They are not the first school to buy iPads, and they aren't going to be the last.
- Android get touted as a wonderfully open device but in schools I think I'd prefer to have something that's more restrictive.
- Quite a few people said the iPad 3 is out soon, that maybe so but what happens if Apple has an issue with production on it's first units, what happens if the price goes up by $100 per unit. In other words it's perhaps the same as buying something for the corporate environment, you prefer something tried and tested over something new and potentially flawed. Also the argument is, what could an iPad 3 do that an iPad 2 couldn't at an educational level? Probably very very little.
- As an educational device itself, it's been given lots of press in this area, particularly in the area of usability for autistic children.

Yeah you can say I side with Apple or whatever, but I think these are valid points. Some of you throw around hate, stupid, etc like they are easy words... I don't understand why people feel so passionately about this.

imachip said,
Wow so much criticism. Lucky all of you are in the education sector so you know the impact of these devices? Lets look at the other side of the coin...
- They are not the first school to buy iPads, and they aren't going to be the last.
- Android get touted as a wonderfully open device but in schools I think I'd prefer to have something that's more restrictive.
- Quite a few people said the iPad 3 is out soon, that maybe so but what happens if Apple has an issue with production on it's first units, what happens if the price goes up by $100 per unit. In other words it's perhaps the same as buying something for the corporate environment, you prefer something tried and tested over something new and potentially flawed. Also the argument is, what could an iPad 3 do that an iPad 2 couldn't at an educational level? Probably very very little.
- As an educational device itself, it's been given lots of press in this area, particularly in the area of usability for autistic children.

Yeah you can say I side with Apple or whatever, but I think these are valid points. Some of you throw around hate, stupid, etc like they are easy words... I don't understand why people feel so passionately about this.

I think the passion comes from the tie in. The school has to make an Apple id for the child and the books are purchased for the child's account. How does that work? The school has the id and password or does the child/parents decide how it is used? Can they buy anything for the iPad or does the school lock it down? It feels like Apple is trying to do schools what MS has done to enterprise. Will Apple be as accommodating or will they insist on an upgrade every 3-5 years? The schools will have no choice on hardware or capabilities. If another system comes out with a better price and better functionality what are they to do? They have to stick with Apple. We know how new models or updates break things. I want the kids to have better just as anyone else does and that is where my passion comes from. Maybe this will work.

The company is once again late to market and playing catch-up against more established products.

How exactly is this related to the article?

CMG_90 said,

How exactly is this related to the article?


Because MS bashing generates hits, just like nay-sayers use Apple hate to generate hits. It's all about the page hits bro.

Side note: Did any of the authors here every say WebOS was late to market and behind the 8ball? I don't care enough to search, but I guess we're in a Simpsons vs. Southpark era ("Simpsons' did it") with Apple vs. the world. Only difference, Apple didn't do it first they just did it with a fantastic marketing machine and high quality components. I have never understood why the iPod v1 and it's bland interface was such a must have device, but I'll damned if those ads didn't peek my interest.

Oh cool, so they bought 800 iPads. A third of them will be broken or useless after their first year, some percent will be somehow 'missing' eventually, and in a few more years this purchase will have had no lasting impact.

But that's Wisconsin for you.

Joshie said,
Oh cool, so they bought 800 iPads. A third of them will be broken or useless after their first year, some percent will be somehow 'missing' eventually, and in a few more years this purchase will have had no lasting impact.

But that's Wisconsin for you.

I'm sure the same can be said for text books. I'm a little fed up of folks knocking down the idea that tablets and portable computers are bad for schools. Personally I feel like they have the potential to revolutionise schooling when used properly. Whether that's an iPad, Dell laptop or a education designed tablet.

Joshie said,
Oh cool, so they bought 800 iPads. A third of them will be broken or useless after their first year, some percent will be somehow 'missing' eventually, and in a few more years this purchase will have had no lasting impact.

But that's Wisconsin for you.

Joshie said,
Oh cool, so they bought 800 iPads. A third of them will be broken or useless after their first year, some percent will be somehow 'missing' eventually, and in a few more years this purchase will have had no lasting impact.

But that's Wisconsin for you.


iPad app credited with 20% jump in math scores at middle school

Houghton Mifflin Harcourt (HMH) is claiming stunning success in an Algebra textbook pilot program at the Amelia Earhart Middle School in California's Riverside Unified School District. Previously, only 59 percent of students achieved proficiency or better, a mark that was radically improved to 79 after by using the iPad-based textbook and teaching method.
“The app was great! Students were motivated and more in charge of their own learning,” said Dan Sbur, one of the two math teachers involved in the study. “[HMH Fuse] is more of a ‘my generation thing' as opposed to a textbook.”...
“By engineering a comprehensive platform that combines the best learning material with technology that embraces students' strengths and addresses their weaknesses, we've gone far beyond the capabilities of an e-book to turn a one-way math lesson into an engaging, interactive, supportive learning experience,” said Bethlam Forsa, executive vice president, Global Content and Product Development. “With HMH Fuse, teachers can assess student progress in real time and tailor instruction as needed.”...

http://www.neowin.net/forum/to...th-scores-at-middle-school/

Other Tablets (Windows / Android) , have nothing to offer in classrooms so far.
The iPad has thousands of education applications.

alexalex said,

iPad app credited with 20% jump in math scores at middle school

Only 20% were smart enough to download a calculator app? Meh. Last time I was in school even phones were disallowed for the reason of using a calculator and actually using your mind. No wonder Your education system is gettin worse by the day.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Only 20% were smart enough to download a calculator app? Meh. Last time I was in school even phones were disallowed for the reason of using a calculator and actually using your mind. No wonder Your education system is gettin worse by the day.

Um... The iPad comes with a native calculator app... And FYI, this is middle school we are talking about. Algebra is about logic and manipulating an equation in order to get an answer. A calculator simply takes the trivial work out of it.
Nice failed attempt at dissing our education system... Looks like you need to brush up on your reading and logic skills... Better luck next time.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Um... The iPad comes with a native calculator app... And FYI, this is middle school we are talking about. Algebra is about logic and manipulating an equation in order to get an answer. A calculator simply takes the trivial work out of it.
Nice failed attempt at dissing our education system... Looks like you need to brush up on your reading and logic skills... Better luck next time.

Failed attempt? Nah. You just said the same thing I did just with other words. Takes the trivial out or not but a calculator ain't meant to use in math classes, well not in middle-school anyway, if you can't do the math without a calculator then you never will.

What a terrible title. It's their money and they can do what ever they want to. Right now iPad have the most education friendly tablet out there. Especially with iBooks2

x-byte said,
What a terrible title. It's their money and they can do what ever they want to. Right now iPad have the most education friendly tablet out there. Especially with iBooks2

ANY LAPTOP is much more education friendly than any stupid tablet. Tablets aren't actually useful for much at all.

mrp04 said,

ANY LAPTOP is much more education friendly than any stupid tablet. Tablets aren't actually useful for much at all.

Tablets are used in education because it's more user intuitive, it gives life to boring old text that students can read and they have to visualise in there head and it's harder to keep that locked into their brain without true representation. That's why iBooks 2 came out, it's a proven fact, that students will remember more if they see pictures, animated diagrams/clips, sound and even interactive elements (buttons/text). I'm not saying iBooks is the first to offer all these things, but it's packaged in a way that schools can start to see this as a solution to that problem where research from the Internet might be a little too difficult for students, and 80% of the time, it's text with thumbnail pictures.

You can't interact with elements like you would do on an tablet, it's a more enjoyable experience if you interact with things right in front of you with gestures, instead of clicking or scrolling through text with a mouse or trackpad.

Cheap, more open Android tablets (like the Kindle Fire) would have been better. And this is coming from someone who has loads of Apple devices.

Dessimat0r said,
Cheap, more open Android tablets (like the Kindle Fire) would have been better. And this is coming from someone who has loads of Apple devices.

Not really Android doens't have the Apps (espeically Education apps)

evo_spook said,

Not really Android doens't have the Apps (espeically Education apps)

That isn't the only reason, Android tablets are harder to manage* (you don't just buy the tablet and hand it over, it has to be locked down and managed by the IT department) plus some basic features don't work properly (like poor Exchange support, I mean seriously? Exchange is the most widely used and Google still won't support it right) and the overall [lack of] ease of use. The iPad is just easier to use and while Android is much more customizable it's also more cumbersome too.

* = This is one area Win8 tablets will excel in and will make them a much better choice from a management perspective.

if apple came out with an Ipad 5 that gave everyone a MILLION dollars, apple haters will still find a way to hate... They will just say "why doesn't it give 2 MILLION".... just ignore then hate.

That's just what we need in schools. iPads.
What use are they? If you really want to buy Apple crap get MacBooks, they're at least useful in school.

Seriously, I have nothing huge against the iPad itself however I believe that there are better ways to invest in children's learning than that. But if you have to buy a tablet, why and iPad?

If and when I get kids they are going to go to a school with books so they can learn to read and write properly. Once they can do that they can use all the tech they want

Auzeras said,
Seriously, I have nothing huge against the iPad itself however I believe that there are better ways to invest in children's learning than that. But if you have to buy a tablet, why and iPad?

If and when I get kids they are going to go to a school with books so they can learn to read and write properly. Once they can do that they can use all the tech they want

Why not an iPad? They're great devices to aid in learning. My two nieces won't stop to pick up a book off the shelf, but they love to read the books I have on my iPad. They'll sit for hours reading and **gasp** learning via all the apps available for those purposes. I hardly think that schools toss out pen and paper when they purchase things like the iPad. They're teaching aids. And damn good ones.

Auzeras said,
Seriously, I have nothing huge against the iPad itself however I believe that there are better ways to invest in children's learning than that. But if you have to buy a tablet, why and iPad?

If and when I get kids they are going to go to a school with books so they can learn to read and write properly. Once they can do that they can use all the tech they want

Because most of people are stupid and they believe to what media people say (and most of media people are stupid too). And it's not an Apple thing but it happens every time (e.g. xbox became "cool" only when media people started to say that it was cool).

How is making your children carry around a bunch of heavy text-books going to help them learn to read and write?

What if your child is one of the many that don't learn well by plugging them into the old fashioned way of teaching?

What if they end up going to a school were their class is so full they're not able to receive direct help from their teachers, something that a well designed learning application could help replace?

I'm not saying the iPad is the answer, but failing to embrace new technologies isn't either.

virtorio said,
How is making your children carry around a bunch of heavy text-books going to help them learn to read and write?

What if your child is one of the many that don't learn well by plugging them into the old fashioned way of teaching?

What if they end up going to a school were their class is so full they're not able to receive direct help from their teachers, something that a well designed learning application could help replace?

I'm not saying the iPad is the answer, but failing to embrace new technologies isn't either.

I love technology but I don't want my kids carrying a $500 tablet either. Lost, broken, stolen or worse will happen at an alarming rate. If criminals know the streets are crawling with these devices, it's like covering yourself with honey and running naked through a bears den.

virtorio said,
How is making your children carry around a bunch of heavy text-books going to help them learn to read and write?

How is handing children an iPad gonna help them learning writing? (Unless they start to include a digitizer in the next iPad…)

virtorio said,
How is making your children carry around a bunch of heavy text-books going to help them learn to read and write?

What if your child is one of the many that don't learn well by plugging them into the old fashioned way of teaching?

What if they end up going to a school were their class is so full they're not able to receive direct help from their teachers, something that a well designed learning application could help replace?

I'm not saying the iPad is the answer, but failing to embrace new technologies isn't either.


Free porn for child :thumbup:

MFH said,

How is handing children an iPad gonna help them learning writing? (Unless they start to include a digitizer in the next iPad…)

Ever seen iWrite? Great app for kids! It doesn't replace pen and paper (and I doubt anyone would make such an argument that it does), but it's a great teaching tool that has helped all three of my nieces learn how to write letters that they were struggling with. There are many such apps available.

srprimeaux said,

Ever seen iWrite? Great app for kids! It doesn't replace pen and paper (and I doubt anyone would make such an argument that it does), but it's a great teaching tool that has helped all three of my nieces learn how to write letters that they were struggling with. There are many such apps available.


You said "write" not "finger paint"…

MFH said,

You said "write" not "finger paint"…

Yes, write. Are you suggesting that the application doesn't teach kids how to write? I'm speaking from experience that it does. Are you?

MFH said,

How is handing children an iPad gonna help them learning writing? (Unless they start to include a digitizer in the next iPad…)

Which is why I said
me

I'm not saying the iPad is the answer, but failing to embrace new technologies isn't either.

srprimeaux said,

Yes, write. Are you suggesting that the application doesn't teach kids how to write? I'm speaking from experience that it does. Are you?

It may teach them how letters look like, but it has as much to do with WRITING as writing itself has to do with crayons…

MFH said,

It may teach them how letters look like, but it has as much to do with WRITING as writing itself has to do with crayons…

You can write with crayons, yes? Get a real argument, please.

Microsoft is NOT late to the market as far as Tablet and Smartphone, its not like if 80% of the world population was owning one.

The adoption of these technology is not yet fully adopted everywhere and there's still plenty market.

For all the buzz about the iPads (both the original and the iPad 2) the iDevices - including the iPad2 - are great for consumption of content; for actual creation of content, not so much. They are *niche devices* - for when less than a full computer will do (often much less). Windows 8 - especially on x86-based tablets, slates, and even Ultrabooks - isn't about niche computing; it's about current computing in a smaller (or different) form-factor. Why does Apple insist on yet *another* electronic-book format (with the iBook2) as opposed to the current raft of e-book formats (all of which are used in the textbook market, at the primary, secondary, and post-secondary levels)? Sounds like Apple is more concerned about competing with current e-publishing behemoth Amazon (and the Kindle Family) - not Microsoft so much (consider that the iPad, iPad 2, and even Windows have reader software for all the other e-book formats - including Kindle's format - while the iBook format is unique to the iDevices) - and about control. (Will Apple even create iBook-reading format for non-Apple hardware OR software?)

On Windows 8 - on non-ARM (traditional Intel and AMD desktop and mobile CPU-driven hardware) the form-factor doesn't matter - and surprisingly, neither does the UI. While Metro/Immersive applications require the Immersive UI, traditional/legacy applications, games, etc. run just fine on either. In other words, it's about the hardware inside - not what it looks like outside, or even which UI you are using. That is, indeed, a major part of the paradigm-shift of Windows 8 on x86 - the irrelevance of the UI to current applications. iTunes U is basically a replication of the walled-garden approach of cable-TV, or even the ancestor of cable, MATV/CATV - entree is only at the mercy of the gatekeeper. Great for collegiate presidents and provosts - still stinging from scandal after scandal at the university-board level (not alone involving collegiate athletics); however, how good is it outside of that niche?

They should take those ick Ifailpads back and get The awesome Android based tablets. Way better and cheaper than Apples Junk.

soldier1st said,
They should take those ick Ifailpads back and get The awesome Android based tablets. Way better and cheaper than Apples Junk.

Ifailpads? lol, stupid. Android tablets suck. After owning both an iPad 2 and the Xoom, Ill never make the mistake of buying an Android tablet. Piece of junk.

Obviously waiting would be the better choice, at least for the iPad 3. I also don't suppose they even know how to code iBooks.

Microsoft is late to the game, unfortunately. Will they catch up with Windows 8 tablets? Remains to be seen. How will they compete with what Apple is doing in the textbook world? Zune Marketplace doesn't even have an iTunes U equivalent. Seems like they made the only logical choice considering what's available.

srprimeaux said,
Microsoft is late to the game, unfortunately. Will they catch up with Windows 8 tablets? Remains to be seen. How will they compete with what Apple is doing in the textbook world? Zune Marketplace doesn't even have an iTunes U equivalent. Seems like they made the only logical choice considering what's available.

They wont catch up like Linux and MacOS never caught up with Windows on Desktops. At the same time they are risking Desktop Market Share by pushing unreasonable things like Metro.

techguy77 said,

They wont catch up like Linux and MacOS never caught up with Windows on Desktops. At the same time they are risking Desktop Market Share by pushing unreasonable things like Metro.

I heard the same thing for netbooks...

srprimeaux said,
Microsoft is late to the game, unfortunately. Will they catch up with Windows 8 tablets? Remains to be seen. How will they compete with what Apple is doing in the textbook world? Zune Marketplace doesn't even have an iTunes U equivalent. Seems like they made the only logical choice considering what's available.

what apple is doing in the texbook world is useless for schools and most students, since it's targetted at individuals and won't work in a group setup. Such a in Norway where students gets computers from the school while studying, and they get the textbooks as well, at least some of them.

Apple needs to realize schoolbooks can't be treated individually and sold the same way regular books are. well not outside of America anyway.

HawkMan said,

what apple is doing in the texbook world is useless for schools and most students, since it's targetted at individuals and won't work in a group setup. Such a in Norway where students gets computers from the school while studying, and they get the textbooks as well, at least some of them.

Apple needs to realize schoolbooks can't be treated individually and sold the same way regular books are. well not outside of America anyway.

It's a wee bit early to say Apple's strategy won't work.

techguy77 said,

They wont catch up like Linux and MacOS never caught up with Windows on Desktops. At the same time they are risking Desktop Market Share by pushing unreasonable things like Metro.


They do stand a chance at catching up. The allure of a Win8 tablet for business is that most of the apps you use today can be used on the tablet. If that holds true and the devices with long battery life and decent power come to fruition, those who use it at work may be interested in buying one at home.

It all depends on how they execute this merging of platforms and how the devices perform. If they offer true competition, they have a great chance at catching up and converting people or attracting new customers.

zeke009 said,

They do stand a chance at catching up. The allure of a Win8 tablet for business is that most of the apps you use today can be used on the tablet. If that holds true and the devices with long battery life and decent power come to fruition, those who use it at work may be interested in buying one at home.

It all depends on how they execute this merging of platforms and how the devices perform. If they offer true competition, they have a great chance at catching up and converting people or attracting new customers.

Business / Enterprises already said no to Windows 8 in numerous surveys.

srprimeaux said,
Microsoft is late to the game, unfortunately. Will they catch up with Windows 8 tablets? Remains to be seen. How will they compete with what Apple is doing in the textbook world? Zune Marketplace doesn't even have an iTunes U equivalent. Seems like they made the only logical choice considering what's available.

we don't have a clear release date though... ipads are allready out.... there might be delays in the W8 tablets and they may w8 a year or more...

Lawl, Gottah love it in Wisconsins in the news xD Being from Wisconsin of course lol. On Topic: I wasnt even aware there was a lawsuit with WI vs Microsoft? O.o But I think it would have been wiser to wait for Windows 8 tablets because it would be more compatable with the school systems servers.

2xSilverKnight said,
Stupid waste of money !

How so? the iPad is the leading education tablet, nothing comes close to it. To me it's a sound investment and the right one.

Xerxes said,

How so? the iPad is the leading education tablet, nothing comes close to it. To me it's a sound investment and the right one.

Tablets are nearly useless for education. Just buy laptops. My cousins school bought tablets for their English department for the kids to edit their papers on. On tablets. With no keyboards.

mrp04 said,

Tablets are nearly useless for education. Just buy laptops. My cousins school bought tablets for their English department for the kids to edit their papers on. On tablets. With no keyboards.

I hear what you're saying. It would make a lot of sense to have a keyboard when you're editing a paper however the current generation of laptops can't compare to the battery longevity or quick power on/off of tablets. 2 or 3 hours of battery vs 8 hours? That's hard to compete with. On the other hand the new LV Core i7/i5 processors in the Ultrabooks are damn close in terms of battery life and instant on's. My ASUS Zenbook UX31E (with low voltage i7) gets around 6 hours of continuous use and has Rapid Start for instant power ups but it's 2x the cost of an iPad.

mrp04 said,

Tablets are nearly useless for education. Just buy laptops. My cousins school bought tablets for their English department for the kids to edit their papers on. On tablets. With no keyboards.

Clearly you don't work in education. Tablets are not useless, just because you don't like them, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't either. Tablets are doing extremely well. My work did a trial run with tablets (iPads of cause) in a single year level last year and it was so successful they are now rolling out tablets in more year levels. Other schools are doing the same, iPads are revolutionizing education whether you like it or not.

Enron said,
This is because Bill Gates wants education reform, and the teachers unions don't like that.

i hate teacher unions.. they have ruined the US because no money gets to the actual Kids anymore and gets stuck in beauacracy!! (look, no one even taught me how to spell)!

Lachlan said,

i hate teacher unions.. they have ruined the US because no money gets to the actual Kids anymore and gets stuck in beauacracy!! (look, no one even taught me how to spell)!

I agree. The Teacher's Union does a disservice to our youth. If a parent that had agreed to home school their child didn't teach them anything, it would be considered abuse. That's what I consider this to be from the school system. They teach kids absolutely nothing, and yet demand higher wages every year and more time off, and strike whenever the mood suits them, while doing less and less. They do the kids no justice whatsoever.

techguy77 said,

Nobody wants W8 Tablet

Just another anti-Microsoft troll spouting BS again, I suppose you did lots of market research to come to that conclusion then?

UndergroundWire said,

Nobody outside of this forum wants a Windows 8 Tablet.

How much market research did you do to come to that conclusion?

Xerxes said,

Actually there is some truth in what he said. Many schools are heavily investing in iPads, they aren't gonna just dump them and jump straight to Win8 tablets soon as MS release them. Plus there is the whole new iBook thing, MS has nothing to compete with that yet (and they need too if they want to be taken seriously). MS actually have a massive uphill battle if they want the education industry to dump Apple and get into bed with them.

Outside the education industry, Apple is still leading the way but MS has a good chance of making some headway there with Win8. That is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.


What he said was as follows: "Nobody wants W8 Tablet"

That is factually incorrect. There was no truth to what he said.

Ayepecks said,

What he said was as follows: "Nobody wants W8 Tablet"

That is factually incorrect. There was no truth to what he said.

Yep, I understand...had a brain fail and adjusted my previous post.

UndergroundWire said,
Nobody outside of this forum wants a Windows 8 Tablet.

Really? You shouldn't frequent others forum then

The large public doesn't want it because it isn't aware of its existence, because it's not on the market yet.

Conclusion : GTFO troll?

Conclusion : GTFO troll?

or how about stfu ?
Believe it or not people are entitled to their opinions..

And I know hanging out at neowin and spotting trolls and
dishing out snotty comments is fun but your not gonna get a brownie badge for it.

I enjoy reading any and all opinions and enever in my life
called someone a troll its just retarded.
GTFO ?
How about get a life ?

UndergroundWire said,

I can't wait for its release to shut you and all the other mindless Microsoft fanboys up.

Microsoft should just stick to what it does best. It seems as if Apple has it and Microsoft comes out with it, Microsoft just fails at it. Microsoft sucks (big time with phones, MP3 Hardware we all know was a complete fail, now tablets?).

Windows OS should not be on tablets, it should only be on laptops/desktops. Their OS is too complicated and bloated for a media consumption device. Apple was smart enough to have a mobile OS on their tablet. They realized what a tablet should be used for and what a computer is used for.

From my personal experience and witness to what other out there use tablets for, it is strictly media consumption. I am quite happy having Windows running on my desktop and laptop. I am quite happy with having an Android tablet & phone and an iPad & iPhone. But to have bloat powering my tablet is unacceptable. Which is why I can't wait for its release to shut you and others like you up. It will be compared the hell out of to an iPad and an Android tablet. I can guarantee you, you will see bloat mentioned several times. So far now have your little fun with you words, but I'll be smiling in the end at laughing at all the clueless fanboys later. Then I'll definitely be trolling those articles. Have fun wasting your money on a useless piece of sh**.

And when it sells very well, you'll stop coming and trolling on this site? Sounds like a deal to me. Now, no givsies backsies (Because we don't want you)...

M_Lyons10 said,

And when it sells very well, you'll stop coming and trolling on this site? Sounds like a deal to me. Now, no givsies backsies (Because we don't want you)...

I will admit I was wrong but I know that will not happen . How long do you want to give it before it starts selling because if it doesn't sell will you take your own advice? This forum can lose a few Microsoft Fanboys you know.

ShareShiz said,
They could have bought 8,000 ainovo tablets for that much

3/4 of all Quality Android apps would not even run on that tablet since the Xburst CPU uses the MIPS architecture which requires traditional ARM Apps to be recompiled in order to run on such hardware. Thus most apps in the android market won't work.

yowanvista said,

3/4 of all Quality Android apps would not even run on that tablet since the Xburst CPU uses the MIPS architecture which requires traditional ARM Apps to be recompiled in order to run on such hardware. Thus most apps in the android market won't work.

Aren't most Android apps programmed in Java and are therefor CPU architecture independent?

MFH said,

Aren't most Android apps programmed in Java and are therefor CPU architecture independent?

Yes but Android doesn't use the JVM which is what you're talking about. Just by writing something in one language it doesn't nessisarily mean all of the consumer features. e.g. I could write an application in Java and then use Google's Web Toolkit to parse it into JavaScript.

Android apps run in the Dalvik virtual machine not the JVM.

paulbeattie87 said,

Yes but Android doesn't use the JVM which is what you're talking about. Just by writing something in one language it doesn't nessisarily mean all of the consumer features. e.g. I could write an application in Java and then use Google's Web Toolkit to parse it into JavaScript.

Android apps run in the Dalvik virtual machine not the JVM.

Dalvik is a Java virtual machine which itself would have to be ported to MIPS, but the bytecode itself is platform independent. The only apps that would be incompatible are those with actual native code in (the minority), which would have to be recompiled.

smooth_criminal1990 said,

Dalvik is a Java virtual machine which itself would have to be ported to MIPS, but the bytecode itself is platform independent. The only apps that would be incompatible are those with actual native code in (the minority), which would have to be recompiled.


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