With Windows 8 completed, Windows 9 dev work kicks off

It's not really a surprise that Microsoft is already at work on the generation of Windows which we will call Windows 9, for now. In a recent change for Microsoft, they have begun using code names that eventually turn into the product that hits retail. For example, the code-name of Windows 7, was Windows 7, same with Windows 8 and as you would expect, the codename for Windows 9 is, you guessed it, Windows 9.  Of course, Microsoft will likely refer to the next generation of Windows as Windows.next or Windows vNext too.

MsftKitchen did a bit of digging around Windows 9 and already found the moniker listed on several Microsoft employees profiles and other locations around the web. While we had little doubt that Windows 9 was already in the planning/development stages, Microsoft employees are wasting no time and are wearing Windows 9 as a badge of honor. 

What would a good rumor be without conflicting information? Even though Microsoft employees may be referring to the next generation of Windows as  Windows 9 or Windows vNext, Win8China is also reporting that development work has kicked off as well. But, this source is saying that Windows 9 is being called Windows Blue, or will have a sub-component by the code-name Windows Blue (translation confusion). Further, the Windows Blue moniker is said to be a new base for the Windows platform too. At this time, it is far to early to speculate if Blue will be the foundation for the next generation of Windows; Win8China expects the first build of the next gen platform to arrive in the near future. 

Source: MsftKitchen | Win8China

Thanks for the tip Niekess

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Interesting bit of info can be had here.
What was the windows 7 code name ? And WIndows 8 ? And Windows 9 ?
And what are people saying about the Metro name change ?
Ohh that was just the code name and was gonna be be changed when Metro was final and public ?

Bull !

The next version should have a selection window.. with X number of choices.

1. Legacy windows desktop 2. Metro UI, 3. tabletUI....

There wont be a "Windows 9" in the truest sense. WinRT is Microsoft's future. Windows 8, which is RT + desktop, only exist because there simply wasn't enough time to eradicate the desktop in time for launch. With RT, they're doing away with version numbers also.

AWilliams87 said,
There wont be a "Windows 9" in the truest sense. WinRT is Microsoft's future. Windows 8, which is RT + desktop, only exist because there simply wasn't enough time to eradicate the desktop in time for launch. With RT, they're doing away with version numbers also.

The desktop isn't going away, MS has said so a few times, they know people want to manage lots of windows together and not the 2 you can do right now with metro. Also metro's framework WinRT, and the APIs are pretty young, sure they could be more mature in 2-3 years when Windows 9 ships but regardless all I expect is that the "desktop" will be turned into a "workspace" for multiple windows and it'll support Win32 classic apps AND WinRT metro apps as well.

GP007 said,

The desktop isn't going away, MS has said so a few times, they know people want to manage lots of windows together and not the 2 you can do right now with metro. Also metro's framework WinRT, and the APIs are pretty young, sure they could be more mature in 2-3 years when Windows 9 ships but regardless all I expect is that the "desktop" will be turned into a "workspace" for multiple windows and it'll support Win32 classic apps AND WinRT metro apps as well.


Can anyone provide a link where Microsoft said the desktop wont go away? From the people I've spoken too, it will at some point. If anything, they'll probably make it easier to support multiple Windows in a next update of RT or release an RT pro edition.

Also, the release cycle of Windows will speed up. Updates will be released for RT on an annual basis, not 2-3 years. It will be similar to what you see on Windows phone 8 and the next Xbox (Which will also run RT).

AWilliams87 said,

Can anyone provide a link where Microsoft said the desktop wont go away? From the people I've spoken too, it will at some point. If anything, they'll probably make it easier to support multiple Windows in a next update of RT or release an RT pro edition.

Also, the release cycle of Windows will speed up. Updates will be released for RT on an annual basis, not 2-3 years. It will be similar to what you see on Windows phone 8 and the next Xbox (Which will also run RT).

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/micr...erface-not-going-away/10499

Though this is old, but regardless I don't think it's "going away" fully. What I think is that it will change to be more of a "workspace" and not it's own thing like it is right now in Windows 8 (basically the old thing to the side that just runs Win32 apps). I think you'll use the "desktop" or whatever they call it because it could get a new name as well, when you want to use multiple windows, be it multiple WinRT apps or classic Win32 apps as well.

I figure Windows will get updates quicker but Windows 9 itself we'll probably not see for 2 years at least, which is still within the 2-3 year cycle. That doesn't mean we won't get something like Windows 8.5 for example in a year from now (they'll probably not change the naming like they did with WP7 to 7.5 though).

GP007 said,

...

That people even considering thinking MS is even planning for replacing Win32/Desktop entirely. Yeah, maybe some vague plans/ideas for 2025 or 2030.. maybe, who knows. Even sounds reasonable.
But for the foreseeable future, no way they'll remove it.
I personally doubt they'll change it much, maybe add some metro features. Maybe the startscreen becomes your desktop. (that's what I hope at least) but the taskbar and managed windows aren't going nowhere.

Shadowzz said,

That people even considering thinking MS is even planning for replacing Win32/Desktop entirely. Yeah, maybe some vague plans/ideas for 2025 or 2030.. maybe, who knows. Even sounds reasonable.
But for the foreseeable future, no way they'll remove it.
I personally doubt they'll change it much, maybe add some metro features. Maybe the startscreen becomes your desktop. (that's what I hope at least) but the taskbar and managed windows aren't going nowhere.

That link only spoke about the desktop in WIndows 8, not subsequent versions after.

The desktop conflicts with Microsoft new model for the future. It's only around for the same reasons NTFS, and not ReFS, is will with us: time constrains. You create an application for tablets and it runs on the new Xbox pcs without any modification. With minor tweeks, it also runs on Windows phones. Developers are able to target a much larger audience in which MS takes a cut on every app sold. Retaining the desktop will only retard WinRT's adoption and lessen their potential sale revenue.

If anything, my bet will be either a pro RT version with multiple windows, or a virtualization management tool purchased separately to run legacy desktop and apps. That along with improved multi-tasking with future RT updates.

Windows 8 could be good release but they need to prepare for the worst, if something goes wrong we may see next version of windows sooner than anyone expects, like windows 7 released just two year after vista release.

sat2012 said,
Windows 8 could be good release but they need to prepare for the worst, if something goes wrong we may see next version of windows sooner than anyone expects, like windows 7 released just two year after vista release.

What are you talking about? Vista was released in march 2006 and 7 in may 2009 and Windows 8 in August 2012. Seems all like their 3 year schedule to me.

I think before we see Win9 we will see at least yearly updates to the WinRT api.
Seems like they have to, just to keep up with the advancements that Android and iOS make every year.
So they might update the whole Modern environment on Win8 at the same time to be more useful and consistent

According to people on here, Microsoft isn't going to release Windows 9 because they'll be out of business by the end of the month for being "arrogant", "spiteful", etc, etc, nonsense, nonsense.... Personally, I can't wait to see the additions and changes they make to Modern, which is hopefully being expanded for multi monitor use.

Multi-tasking sticks in the Start screen, I need to be able to see more than one app at a time and make it easy to switch. Alt-Tabbing is just useless to me, especially when I am referencing information from one app. Also, Snapping and the App history bar are neither helpful.

That translation was likely referring to Windows Azure. The color Azure is very close to sky blue...and as such Azure probably translated as Blue.

Just a guess, but that's likely what the case is for that part of the rumor.

Master of Earth said,
Windows X ?

Apple would then [s]start crying[/s] probably sue Microsoft

P.S. I know BBCode I used doesn't work here

CW-88 said,
It will be interesting to see what direction W9 goes. x128? lol!

Well AMD already wanted to release 128bit chipsets, but considering nothing really supports it.. yet

Every day I come on here to see endless Windows 8 hate. Either it's those complaining about the new features or those complaining about the lack thereof. Can someone please explain to me what the hell a new version of an operating system should be, because as far as I've noticed for the last 15 some odd years it's always been this way. Better security some new things here and there, maybe some UI tweaks or enhancements. Has always been the same with every major platform including the mobile ones. Come on someone tell me what the last version of OSX added that makes it more exciting than Win8, same deal with Ubuntu/Fedora. All this nonconstructive criticism doesn't help anyone. Don't like something? explain how it can be done better, or point out what it is about the feature you don't like. Other wise this just sounds like a bunch of hate babel troll fodder.

I personally love windows 8.. I just think it looks silly right now with absolutely no apps but as soon and they get around 100k-200k ppl will shut up and see how its a good thing.. People are probably going to be making desktop apps as well and it is going to be awesome..

Work on windows 9 would have started already just as work on Windows Whislter was being undertaken before Win2000 released etc.

Spoiler alert....Modern UI isnt going anywhere, Win9, the next xbox, wp8/wp9 will all embrace it more.

Osiris said,
Work on windows 9 would have started already just as work on Windows Whislter was being undertaken before Win2000 released etc.

Spoiler alert....Modern UI isnt going anywhere, Win9, the next xbox, wp8/wp9 will all embrace it more.

Obviously coming from someone who loves metro.

3dfxman said,

Obviously coming from someone who loves metro.

No can't say I do but rather coming from someone who knows that Windows had to change to better accommodate NUI technologies and mobile computing combined with the fact that MS knows change takes time and this is just the first step.

Osiris said,

No can't say I do but rather coming from someone who knows that Windows had to change to better accommodate NUI technologies and mobile computing combined with the fact that MS knows change takes time and this is just the first step.

Yup, It's not going anywhere, I find it silly to think otherwise. I also don't think Windows 8 will flop at all, it'll make it's way into the market on all the new devices that are coming.

So a Project "Planner" is getting ready to work on the next Windows... which would be "Windows 9" because "Windows 8" is the last version.... And this is surprising how?

xendrome said,
So a Project "Planner" is getting ready to work on the next Windows... which would be "Windows 9" because "Windows 8" is the last version.... And this is surprising how?

"Windows Blue" surprised me though

Aethec said,
The work already started, as always.
The most important question to ask, IMHO, is "will it be NT-based?".

They just spent a considerable amount of time porting NT to the ARM architecture. I don't think they'd scrap all that work now. Especially since Windows Phone 8 will use the same ARM-based NT kernel.

The gap between OS releases is too small, it should be no smaller than 5 years not 2-3. The only reason they push it isn't so much from money as they make plenty from Win7 still but the Manufactures are pushing for it cause of sales.

sava700 said,
The gap between OS releases is too small, it should be no smaller than 5 years not 2-3. The only reason they push it isn't so much from money as they make plenty from Win7 still but the Manufactures are pushing for it cause of sales.

See, this is the paradox with Windows 8's aspirations, as I see them.

Is is going to keep pace with IOS and Android and provide modest but enticing updates every 1-1.5 years, therefore ensuring a continued hubbub of interest from the media/OEMs/fans? Windows 8 is after-all competing in the tablet space. How many iPad/Xoom (etc.) OS updates have there been in the last 2 years? I don't expect an Android tab in 2 years to be much like a JB one now, and a massively long way from Honeycomb.

But how are MS going to ensure they don't fracture the WinRT/8 code-base and yet provide the stability and heavy, protracted testing the desktop-OS users expect?

We saw what they did to get properly into the modern Smartphone space, and then what they did to ensure their Smartphone OS is cohesive with their first consumer-tablet/Desktop orientated OS. They seem to be spinning some very different plates...

sava700 said,
The gap between OS releases is too small, it should be no smaller than 5 years not 2-3. The only reason they push it isn't so much from money as they make plenty from Win7 still but the Manufactures are pushing for it cause of sales.

I vehemently disagree. Windows 8 has provided a massive improvement over Windows 7, and if it wasn't for Windows 8, I'd definitely be switching to Mac OS X. So, if Microsoft hadn't released Windows 8 until next year or the year after, they'd have lost me as a customer. I don't think a new release every 5 years is a good idea. I would much prefer yearly updates, like we've been seeing with Windows Phone.

sava700 said,
The gap between OS releases is too small, it should be no smaller than 5 years not 2-3. The only reason they push it isn't so much from money as they make plenty from Win7 still but the Manufactures are pushing for it cause of sales.

no way.. I buy a new computer around every 3 years.. I want that new computer to have new features.. therefore 3 years is a perfect cycle..

Mugwump00 said,

.....

Except that it doesn't need entire upgrades. The OS is quite modular, and allot can often be done with service packs and the like. (they brought Win7 improvements back to Vista)
Their current release cycle is fine. In most companies and homes, computers get replaced roughly each 3 years. The ones that upgrade each year are a niche market. Phone contracts are often 2 years already aswell. People don't upgrade as much as you think. Besides. The inner workings of Win7 aren't even REMOTELY challenged by any other OS yet.

they need to start work on the next version of windows if the want to hit there timeline targets, if they hung around and waited it would be to long between them. Besides in windows 9 maybe theyll be switching to a different filesystem other than ntfs. doesnt windows 8 have some sort on winFS or whatever they called the file system half in there? win 9 will finish that up and refine everything prolly

billyea said,
Windows 8 has ReFS (Protogon) fully implemented.

Isn't that only in Windows Server 2012, rather than any Windows 8 build that consumers will use?

billyea said,
Windows 8 has ReFS (Protogon) fully implemented.

From the post on the subject from the developer blog itn's not fully implemented for boot drives, nor for use on the server technologies like exchange and sql server.

Only for content drives.

deadonthefloor said,

From the post on the subject from the developer blog itn's not fully implemented for boot drives, nor for use on the server technologies like exchange and sql server.

Only for content drives.

It's limited to use in Server 2012 storage spaces but it will find it's way to the client by Windows 9 I bet. Storage spaces is already a option for you in the client Win8 versions but it's limited to NTFS volumes. No reason why this won't change though, also they'll probably make it bootable by then also.

Fayker said,
Windows 9 = (Desktop (OSX + Ubuntu)) + Windows 8 WinRT runtime.

I guess that's one way of putting it, I too believe Windows 9 will bring WinRT (metro apps) to the desktop for those who want to manage those apps together with a number of classic Win32 apps together.

I see the foolish anti-Metro dreams have begun, thought you were all going to stay with Windows 7 forever.....

the reason for the 9xxxx build was because they had already started work on 9 when the bug was found on the 8 release candidate. they had to base the RTM of 8 on a version 9 build since the 8 branch was finalized.

neonspark said,
the reason for the 9xxxx build was because they had already started work on 9 when the bug was found on the 8 release candidate. they had to base the RTM of 8 on a version 9 build since the 8 branch was finalized.

Incorrect.

neonspark said,
the reason for the 9xxxx build was because they had already started work on 9 when the bug was found on the 8 release candidate. they had to base the RTM of 8 on a version 9 build since the 8 branch was finalized.

Wrong. Like Microsoft wouldn't branch their code!

NeoPro said,
I'll patiently wait for this and hope for a good OS name (not a number please).

I remember when people were relieved that 'Windows 7' was a clear and concise name, unlike 'Vista', which was perceived as an irrelevant and messy name. People liked the simple numbers.
But now you're bored of numbers?

billyea said,

I remember when people were relieved that 'Windows 7' was a clear and concise name, unlike 'Vista', which was perceived as an irrelevant and messy name. People liked the simple numbers.
But now you're bored of numbers?

Yes. I'm bored of 'numbers' and everybody gets bore of continuous same thing. That's human nature.
I think Numeric names gonna loose their charm after Win 8 goes public.

NeoPro said,

Yes. I'm bored of 'numbers' and everybody gets bore of continuous same thing. That's human nature.
I think Numeric names gonna loose their charm after Win 8 goes public.

Loose? I hoped it's gonna be tight.

NeoPro said,
I'll patiently wait for this and hope for a good OS name (not a number please).

I thought the years was always pretty good.. because everyone with XP would know that their OS is sooo old.. think about it.. if it windows XP was called Windows 2001.. everyone using it would feel pretty ****ty right about now because it shows them it was released 11 years ago.

Yeah, I think they should wait and see how well Windows 8 does before they start work on Windows 9. But I guess this early on it would be relatively simple to change something if it doesn't take off in Windows 8.

Intrinsica said,
Yeah, I think they should wait and see how well Windows 8 does before they start work on Windows 9. But I guess this early on it would be relatively simple to change something if it doesn't take off in Windows 8.

They basically just brainstorm ideas for future development, they've got a few years!

Intrinsica said,
Yeah, I think they should wait and see how well Windows 8 does before they start work on Windows 9. But I guess this early on it would be relatively simple to change something if it doesn't take off in Windows 8.

If people think Windows 8 will flop so bad that they're forced to drop the new UI and go back then they're basically dreaming. Think whatever you want personally but they're not going to change the path they're on. The overall UI unification between PC, phone, TV (through XBox) is not changing.

Intrinsica said,
Yeah, I think they should wait and see how well Windows 8 does before they start work on Windows 9. But I guess this early on it would be relatively simple to change something if it doesn't take off in Windows 8.

No they wont, theres still a ton of work on the backend to be done and improve (not saying Win8 is bad, but knowing MS, they'll find improvements)

Here's hoping:
- Windows desktop apps start in fullscreen chromeless and can be handled like Metro apps (unless they demand a fixed window size, then a fullscreen 'temporary desktop' is created)
- More snapping options (1/5 split, vertical split, zoom out like Expose to see apps in a 3x3 grid)
- Removal of desktop except internally
- Start Screen becomes the new taskbar to see running apps/applications and can be switched to show Task Manager performance/ram information in the tiles for all programs

billyea said,
Here's hoping:
- Windows desktop apps start in fullscreen chromeless and can be handled like Metro apps (unless they demand a fixed window size, then a fullscreen 'temporary desktop' is created)
- More snapping options (1/5 split, vertical split, zoom out like Expose to see apps in a 3x3 grid)
- Removal of desktop except internally
- Start Screen becomes the new taskbar to see running apps/applications and can be switched to show Task Manager performance/ram information in the tiles for all programs

Dunno about the desktop, I like the separation between content creation and content consumption.

billyea said,
Here's hoping:
- Windows desktop apps start in fullscreen chromeless and can be handled like Metro apps (unless they demand a fixed window size, then a fullscreen 'temporary desktop' is created)
- More snapping options (1/5 split, vertical split, zoom out like Expose to see apps in a 3x3 grid)
- Removal of desktop except internally
- Start Screen becomes the new taskbar to see running apps/applications and can be switched to show Task Manager performance/ram information in the tiles for all programs

I think Windows 9 will take it the other way, metro apps will go to the desktop, the "taskbar" will morph to support pinning of live tiles and management of open win32 and winRT metro apps as well. Basically this WinRT and Win32 split with have in Windows 8 will go away and Windows 9 will finally bring the two truly together. Toss in more UI refinement and we've got a winner IMO.

GP007 said,

I think Windows 9 will take it the other way, metro apps will go to the desktop, the "taskbar" will morph to support pinning of live tiles and management of open win32 and winRT metro apps as well. Basically this WinRT and Win32 split with have in Windows 8 will go away and Windows 9 will finally bring the two truly together. Toss in more UI refinement and we've got a winner IMO.


I like this too. As long as they CHOOSE a side.
Right now, what they have is a bad mix of old an new. Like if the Ribbon tabs in Office 2007 just displayed Office 2003 style toolbars within them.

windows 9 will be windows 8 made right. without this half asked attempt at metro UI with ye old desktop UI. one or the other not both.

DrakeN2k said,
windows 9 will be windows 8 made right. without this half asked attempt at metro UI with ye old desktop UI. one or the other not both.

Metro won't go completely but MS could bow to pressure and turn it off by default on non-touchscreen devices depending on how big the backlash is.

thealexweb said,

Metro won't go completely but MS could bow to pressure and turn it off by default on non-touchscreen devices depending on how big the backlash is.

Regardless of the backlash. It is just good business sense to not alienate a huge percentage of your users. I am sure this can be done with one or two Registry entries--if Microsoft would stop being so arrogant and "smell the roses/coffee." Why not be smart and make/add these Registry entries as Windows-8 SP1?

TsarNikky said,

Regardless of the backlash. It is just good business sense to not alienate a huge percentage of your users. I am sure this can be done with one or two Registry entries--if Microsoft would stop being so arrogant and "smell the roses/coffee." Why not be smart and make/add these Registry entries as Windows-8 SP1?

Huge percentage? I highly doubt that geeks make up a huge percentage of the 1.4 billion Windows Users. More like a small minority. But, considering neither one of us has any numbers to back up our claims...

Wyn6 said,

Huge percentage? I highly doubt that geeks make up a huge percentage of the 1.4 billion Windows Users. More like a small minority. But, considering neither one of us has any numbers to back up our claims...

+1 like there are 500 million people out their trying to figure out how to change the registry entries.. probably more like 5% of people and everyone will just accept what comes

DrakeN2k said,
windows 9 will be windows 8 made right. without this half asked attempt at metro UI with ye old desktop UI. one or the other not both.

The desktop isn't going away in Windows 9 but they'll change it. Expect the "desktop" to be more metro and support more of the new metro bits unlike how it does now. Regardless of how vocal the minority of anti-metro people are online MS isn't going to change the UI back. It's here to stay, they'll tweak it, make it work better and so on, and expand it to the desktop (windowsed metro apps etc), but they're not going to drop it and they're not going to give you an option to ignore it and or bring the start menu back for you.

The desktop we've had till Windows 7 is changing, Windows 8 is only the first step and Windows 9 will take it to the next level, backlash or not.

DrakeN2k said,
windows 9 will be windows 8 made right. without this half asked attempt at metro UI with ye old desktop UI. one or the other not both.

I foresee more flexible multitasking of metro apps, including multi-monitor metro support and more versatile metro-snap ratios. A desktop will continue to exist, but will feel even more 'app-like' than it does now; almost like using a VM.

What I'd like to see is allowing multiple instances of the same app within metro, much like we can today on the desktop. With the app-ification of the desktop, this could lead to a very interesting multi-desktop experience similar to virtual desktops.

...what I've described so far would warrant a whole new version of the OS. I don't like to ask for too much.

Kyle said,
They need to wait some more time to see that people don't like Metro before they start building a new OS around it.

Or to embrace metro fully. I feel the situation will get better once all apps are "metroized". Windows will have to get rid of the traditional desktop at some point.

Kyle said,
They need to wait some more time to see that people don't like Metro before they start building a new OS around it.

It will be interesting to see how the masses react, I haven't played about with it much but quite a lot of (tech) people seem to have a serious dislike to metro.

ObiWanToby said,

Or to embrace metro fully. I feel the situation will get better once all apps are "metroized". Windows will have to get rid of the traditional desktop at some point.

Yeah. A Metro-ized IDE or Creative Suite would be just awesome. Not! -.-'

I sometimes get the feeling that technology is dumbing down too much nowadays.

Kyle said,
They need to wait some more time to see that people don't like Metro before they start building a new OS around it.

The Windows dev teams have always worked on the behind-the-scenes improvements on each OS before working on the fancy visual stuff- I'll admit the "Windows 8-Style UI" does inevitably affect much of the workflow and how the OS works on the surface and beneath, but there's plenty of flexibility to get that feedback even after they've begun work.

paul0544 said,

It will be interesting to see how the masses react, I haven't played about with it much but quite a lot of (tech) people seem to have a serious dislike to metro.

Just like quite a lot of tech people have a serious love for it

Kyle said,
They need to wait some more time to see that people don't like Metro before they start building a new OS around it.

Umm. Starting development for a next OS doesn't mean Microsoft will already pursue its current UI. If you have seen the leaked Windows 8 Milestone builds, the UI changed a lot (which happens with every Windows beta).

Bogdan Calapod said,

Yeah. A Metro-ized IDE or Creative Suite would be just awesome. Not! -.-'

I sometimes get the feeling that technology is dumbing down too much nowadays.

you can always go buy an old computer and use MSDOS if you want.. Im happy that technology is "dumbing down" so I don't have to constantly be fixing my families computers whenever they cant figure out why their printer wont work or why the HDMI sound out is not working..

Kyle said,
They need to wait some more time to see that people don't like Metro before they start building a new OS around it.
Microsoft starts developing the next version of software before the current version is even launched, so, to by Windows 8...

Studio384 said,
Microsoft starts developing the next version of software before the current version is even launched, so, to by Windows 8...

No it doesn't, they continue it from the same build/source.

Kyle said,
They need to wait some more time to see that people don't like Metro before they start building a new OS around it.

Speak for yourself man. Not everyone hates it.

Shadowzz said,

No it doesn't, they continue it from the same build/source.

They branch it before RTM and hand it off to the next version project.

ObiWanToby said,

Or to embrace metro fully. I feel the situation will get better once all apps are "metroized". Windows will have to get rid of the traditional desktop at some point.

Amen! I'm tired to be able to do more than one thing at a time!
We need to slow down and relax with some meteo image! I blame the society for all this!