WP7 hit by abysmal sales, Android soars to 50% of market in Q2 2011

Microsoft has been very quiet about Windows Phone 7 sales. So quiet, in fact, that we're yet to actually hear any official device counts from the company or indications as to how growth is happening (other than the marketplace). In a damning report released by Canalys, the platform is pinned to have only sold 1.5 million devices during Q2 2011.

Apple was able to ship 20.3 million iPhones during the same period, but the numbers are very different to that of Android. The platform -- created by search giant Google -- saw a massive 51.9 million devices shipped, up 379% over the same period last year. According to Canalys, Samsung is now the largest Android manufacturer, making 17 million devices out of that 51.9 million.

Despite this, Canalys notes that Samsung was unable to capitalize on Nokia's "weaked state" worldwide, as it transitions from it's outdated Symbian phone OS to Microsoft's Windows Phone platform in Q4 of this year. Microsoft is betting big on Nokia's weight when it releases handsets equipped with Mango, the companies latest release of it's phone software that brings over 500 new features to the platform. 

Currently, the Redmond based software giant is down 52% compared to last year with phone shipments making up a mere 1% of global mobile market share. It's worth noting that the platform had not launched this time last year, and the  company has since retired its once extremely popular "Windows Mobile" line, leading to less shipments as its new platform takes shape.

RIM has also had a hard time recently, with its market share dropping from 45% last year to 33%, but the company managed to increase shipments 11% which helped it to retain the number one spot in Latin America. RIM stated that "it must continue to innovative and recapture lost momentum. It’s critical that the next-generation BlackBerry OS 7-based products launch ahead of the upcoming holiday season to compete in the market." 

Microsoft is pinned to release Mango, it's latest version of Windows Phone 7 in September. The company is betting big on the new release, with hopes that it can help them gain traction in the tough mobile market. Mango will release with a slew of new devices and marks the beginning of the companies major partnership with Nokia

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I love my WM7 phone. These numbers are crap given Verizon has 1 model of phone and it only got it 2 months ago. Most of the staff at verizon don't know what WM7 is....


I'm getting more and more angry and fustrated Android users and I think this will continue.

Jbenisek said,
I love my WP7 phone. These numbers are crap given Verizon has 1 model of phone and it only got it 2 months ago. Most of the staff at verizon don't know what WP7 is....


I'm getting more and more angry and fustrated Android users and I think this will continue.

fixed ya.

For all those hating on WP7 can one of you explain to me why my Android phone's marketplace now looks like WP7? Why is one of the top launcher apps for Android identical and I mean same icons, tiles and all to WP7? Uh can one of you say Launcher Pro 7? And why is one of the top music apps for Android sporting the WP7/Zune music interface? Also, remember WP7 hit the market with arguably alot of missing features. I can't blame anyone not wanting to give up features they are accustomed to but Mango is a game changer and so is Nokia.

mamacita42 said,
For all those hating on WP7 can one of you explain to me why my Android phone's marketplace now looks like WP7? Why is one of the top launcher apps for Android identical and I mean same icons, tiles and all to WP7? Uh can one of you say Launcher Pro 7? And why is one of the top music apps for Android sporting the WP7/Zune music interface? Also, remember WP7 hit the market with arguably alot of missing features. I can't blame anyone not wanting to give up features they are accustomed to but Mango is a game changer and so is Nokia.

Which Top Launcher do you speak of. Obviously you don't know Android.
http://android.appstorm.net/ho...roid-home-screen-launchers/

mamacita42 said,
For all those hating on WP7 can one of you explain to me why my Android phone's marketplace now looks like WP7? Why is one of the top launcher apps for Android identical and I mean same icons, tiles and all to WP7? Uh can one of you say Launcher Pro 7? And why is one of the top music apps for Android sporting the WP7/Zune music interface? Also, remember WP7 hit the market with arguably alot of missing features. I can't blame anyone not wanting to give up features they are accustomed to but Mango is a game changer and so is Nokia.
The market app now closer matches it's website (https://market.android.com/) which has looked like that for longer than WP7, btw.

The next issue is that only a selection of phones are on each carrier. That's bull****. ALL phones should be available on ALL carriers

none of the carriers... sprint, verizon or tmobile promote these phones. every store i went to says wp7 would not be the phone for me and they offered android. not to mention there are very few if any commercials for wp7.

WP won't have significant market penetration until Tango or Apollo updates. People will just start considering WP7 after the Mango update. And that given they get similar or better apps than their last OS. It will take time but in the end we all know WP7 will be what Windows is to the desktop OS. Android will go down the way of Palm and iOS will just be used by iSheep.

gzAsher said,
WP won't have significant market penetration until Tango or Apollo updates. People will just start considering WP7 after the Mango update. And that given they get similar or better apps than their last OS. It will take time but in the end we all know WP7 will be what Windows is to the desktop OS. Android will go down the way of Palm and iOS will just be used by iSheep.

I actually agree with part of this statement. I failed to realize until just now why WP7 is not getting traction. There are a number of reasons, but it was too much of a shift from the work that was done before, and thus panned by everyone in the tech community, meaning it didn't land on the radar of the tech enthusiasts who influence corporate buying power in volume handsets.

Once we've had enough updates to show that the platform is stable, like other vendors who release annual updates, then perhaps the industry will stand up and take notice of this fresh take on a 25 year old device.

I don't understand how this is news. I also don't understand how people think magically WP7 will do well when Mango hits. Seriously, people have not heard of this WP7 you speak of. You can put mangos and whip cream on it and they still will not run to it like how kids run to Ice Cream.

MS are coming from a low base, things will pick up especially with the realise of Mango, all the new MS stores and then NOKIA making killer phones.

I'd like to try a Windows phone but I'm not willing to sit on a contract for 2 years in fear that I hated it. I'd rather sit on Android or an iPhone as I know I can navigate them with confidence

Shaun said,
I'd like to try a Windows phone but I'm not willing to sit on a contract for 2 years in fear that I hated it. I'd rather sit on Android or an iPhone as I know I can navigate them with confidence

Let me try to paint a picture: if you ever used Windows Mobile 6.x, the actual Titanium shell - it's JUST like that behavior except with tiles. And yes, you can change the COLOR.

Jeezums, did even the most optimistic person imagine that everyone with a two-year contact would break it to jump to WP7 instantly? In the face of the unending (and excellent) ads for iPhone and Droid, amid the inundation of Android devices?

From the headlines around here, you'd think so.

Well, it is not that bad. People are waiting for next version I guess. The OS is ok. What they need is a decent hardware.

Also, how many time people crying over no VPN support? If you want to win business users, you need VPN. Microsoft probably has a thick skull and don't listen to people about this. VPN client is not hard at all to build.

Finally, For god sake, increase development speed. Update every 2 months, add features. A year for a major update is just too much, too long to wait

satus said,
VPN client is not hard at all to build.

Finally, For god sake, increase development speed. Update every 2 months, add features. A year for a major update is just too much, too long to wait


Then grab Mango bits and make it.

Well, I am a mac os and windows user. My wife has an iPhone 4 and I have an HTC HD7... and I really do like it. But what I am hoping is that some of those Nokia's are going to either fall to ATT, or T-Mobile this Autumn and I will possibly update my phone at that time... altho' I would want a front facing camera for skype-like communication from time to time.

as a BB user rim really its pushing for emergent markets like latin america, headsets and data plans seems to be more affordable than any other smartphones. so it seems that rim its getting the providers and carriers in for their phones.

Theres its android and iphones but its so expensive that out of reach of anyone even symbian phones sold more here, plus majority its in prepaid plans so cant afford an overpriced cost of phones

And windows phone 7 its not existant here nothing not a single phone, if microsoft really wants to push windows phone 7 they should not only focus on OEM channels but somehow incentivate the carriers too like rim its doing

WP7 is without a doubt, the most boring and utterly yawn-worthy mobile device UI in the (thus far) history of mobile device UI's. Just when I thought iOS would never be beaten in the utterly boring interface category, we have a new winner.

Soulsiphon said,
WP7 is without a doubt, the most boring and utterly yawn-worthy mobile device UI in the (thus far) history of mobile device UI's. Just when I thought iOS would never be beaten in the utterly boring interface category, we have a new winner.

Lol, live tiles, drop-down notifications, flipping tiles in Mango, and a whole set of crazy animations throughout the OS are considered boring? I think it's safe to say that you are trolling on this statement here...

Ah, anyone who doesn't like it is trolling then? Whatever. I'm glad you like it, I think it sucks. I have a device running WP7 within reach, and my T-Mobile SIM is in my iPhone right now while I'm bored with my G2 for the day.

To me, WP7 is just boring. Sounds like sales figures are beginning to prove that I'm not the only one.

Soulsiphon said,

To me, WP7 is just boring. Sounds like sales figures are beginning to prove that I'm not the only one.

Right. Because it's logical to say that at such an early stage, Windows Phone's sales numbers are a clear representation of its future. Remember Android's ~1% market share for the first year? WP7 is beating that with a 1.5% market share so far. And that's just the first ten months of the pre-Mango build going up in market share despite all of the units sold by Apple and Google. God help Android for the next ten months...

Soulsiphon said,
WP7 is without a doubt, the most boring and utterly yawn-worthy mobile device UI in the (thus far) history of mobile device UI's. Just when I thought iOS would never be beaten in the utterly boring interface category, we have a new winner.

+1000. It's absolutely horrendous. I think that's why the sales are so bad. Fanboys keep making excuses and blaming everything else they can think of, but it all comes down to the fugly UI. I don't think the default iPhone and Android UI's are all that great, but they are masterpieces compared to the flat, boring, plain WP7 UI. It has no wow or pop to it. Geeks might like that minimal UI style, but the general population likes eye candy. The only eye candy WP7 has is transitions. Sorry, but fancy transitions aren't going to sell phones when the rest of the UI is the most plain thing ever created.

PlogCF said,

Right. Because it's logical to say that at such an early stage, Windows Phone's sales numbers are a clear representation of its future. Remember Android's ~1% market share for the first year? WP7 is beating that with a 1.5% market share so far. And that's just the first ten months of the pre-Mango build going up in market share despite all of the units sold by Apple and Google. God help Android for the next ten months...

WP7 is no threat to Android and I think anyone that follows this tech understands that. Then there's you. Hey, but at least it's bound to do better than Windows Mobile 6.x huh Sparky?

PlogCF said,

Lol, live tiles, drop-down notifications, flipping tiles in Mango, and a whole set of crazy animations throughout the OS are considered boring? I think it's safe to say that you are trolling on this statement here...

Based on your attitude to label whoever disagree with your beliefs a troll you should consider changing your nickname to "Steel" or, if you prefer the original, not translated one, to "Stalin".

I have my opinions, I can disagree with others but I do not tlabel anybody as a troll just because we are not alligned...

PlogCF said,

Lol, live tiles, drop-down notifications, flipping tiles in Mango, and a whole set of crazy animations throughout the OS are considered boring? I think it's safe to say that you are trolling on this statement here...
"flipping tiles" omg! How is Android going to compete with flipping tiles??? "Crazy animations"? Sh*t, everybody knows people buy phones just for the animations! Android is doomed!!! /s

PlogCF said,

Right. Because it's logical to say that at such an early stage, Windows Phone's sales numbers are a clear representation of its future. Remember Android's ~1% market share for the first year? WP7 is beating that with a 1.5% market share so far. And that's just the first ten months of the pre-Mango build going up in market share despite all of the units sold by Apple and Google. God help Android for the next ten months...
Well considering that Android debuted only on one carrier which was also the smallest (T-Mobile) and that the smartphone industry was younger back then, and with a smaller marketing campaign, I think we could've expected more from WP7 than 1.5%.

I really want a WP7, but my contract isn't due to be up until next month + my carrier prices WP7 devices too much, a WP7 device is $0 on 3 year terms, I don't want to sign a 3 year.. Give me a 2!

In Australia, could it be that the major providers just don't offer very many options when it comes to WP7? Let's face it, the majority of phones sold come bundled with some form of a mobile plan. When it comes to choice it's just not there. So it's either BYO or settle with an Android handset.

This is the breakdown of the top 4 mobile providers that carry WP7:

Vodafone
WP7 1 (HTC 7 Trophy) / Android 12

Optus
WP7 1 (Samsung Omnia) / Android 12

Telstra
WP7 2 (HTC Mozart and HTC HD7) / Android 12

Three
WP7 0 / Android 7

Reading these figures, one can say, in Australia at least, things are pretty one-sided. No wonder market saturation for WP7 is so low. This is a carrier issue and a reflection on how they'd rather suckle at the teat of Mother Android than offer any real competition in regards to selection.

Sranshaft said,
In Australia, could it be that the major providers just don't offer very many options when it comes to WP7? Let's face it, the majority of phones sold come bundled with some form of a mobile plan. When it comes to choice it's just not there. So it's either BYO or settle with an Android handset.

This is the breakdown of the top 4 mobile providers that carry WP7:

Vodafone
WP7 1 (HTC 7 Trophy) / Android 12

Optus
WP7 1 (Samsung Omnia) / Android 12

Telstra
WP7 2 (HTC Mozart and HTC HD7) / Android 12

Three
WP7 0 / Android 7

Reading these figures, one can say, in Australia at least, things are pretty one-sided. No wonder market saturation for WP7 is so low. This is a carrier issue and a reflection on how they'd rather suckle at the teat of Mother Android than offer any real competition in regards to selection.


It would be better if all carriers had each WP7 device currently in Australia. I was hoping to get a Samsung Omnia but Telstra only had the Mozart at the time.

stablemist said,

It would be better if all carriers had each WP7 device currently in Australia. I was hoping to get a Samsung Omnia but Telstra only had the Mozart at the time.

I totally agree. Exclusive rights the carriers have hurt the consumer in the long run and actually hurt sales.

Not surprised considering how many times I've heard friends along with people on the internet go to get a WP7 and the sales man tells them that they wouldn't want it.

Panda X said,
Not surprised considering how many times I've heard friends along with people on the internet go to get a WP7 and the sales man tells them that they wouldn't want it.

And that is noteworthy: an honest salesman.

Maybe they should have maintained backward compatibility with WM6.5 apps and changed only the UI to WP7. Instead they reset the whole app platform and overall feature set (local Outlook sync, user-removable memory cards, tethering) unnecessarily.

xpclient said,
Maybe they should have maintained backward compatibility with WM6.5 apps and changed only the UI to WP7. Instead they reset the whole app platform and overall feature set (local Outlook sync, user-removable memory cards, tethering) unnecessarily.

That wouldn't have been possible due to how the applications are developed and the platform the developers use. There are other reasons as well, but it just wouldn't have been possible if Microsoft wanted to develop the best operating system and development platform.

Callum said,

That wouldn't have been possible due to how the applications are developed and the platform the developers use. There are other reasons as well, but it just wouldn't have been possible if Microsoft wanted to develop the best operating system and development platform.

Backward compatibility may not have been possible but maintaining the full feature set of WM 6.5 would definitely have. Mango fills in a lot of missing holes but the OS is still missing lots of stuff the older OS does.

xpclient said,
Maybe they should have maintained backward compatibility with WM6.5 apps and changed only the UI to WP7. Instead they reset the whole app platform and overall feature set (local Outlook sync, user-removable memory cards, tethering) unnecessarily.

completely agree and thats its hurting even more windows mobile strategy, fans of previous winmo have to start from zero they rather just get an android phone

Callum said,

That wouldn't have been possible due to how the applications are developed and the platform the developers use. There are other reasons as well, but it just wouldn't have been possible if Microsoft wanted to develop the best operating system and development platform.

So the lack of desktop sync, user-removable memory cards and tethering is a must to have the best OS? i do not think so and history is on my side: MS mobile OS reached the highest penetration when they offered all the above and more.

You can have wp7 in Canada on the smaller networks like Wind mobile and Mobilicity but it has to be an unlocked T- mobile wp7 because T- mobile, wind and Mobilicity are the only three wireless phone companies that currently uses the newest wireless frequency that is AWS 1700/2100.

Soulsiphon said,
No, it's utterly boring. Pick a color /yawn

I just hope the final mango release can give more options, like a colour picker or transparency and wallpaper.

stablemist said,

I just hope the final mango release can give more options, like a colour picker or transparency and wallpaper.
And violate the very Principles that govern the Metro UI? Don't think so!
What you have in Windows Phone, you have for a reason. If you don't have it, their are reasons, based on several researches, behind it. They have put a lot of effort in every minute detail anyone can think of.

Quoting Gizmodo:
"If anything, I sometimes wonder if Microsoft paid too much attention to the details

bxbbrian234 said,
wp7 is by far the best looking OS on the market, it is slick, intuitive, integrated and very modern, it actually makes Android and Iphone feel outdated, once Microsoft markets wp7 properly there is no way it wont take off the phone will sell itself cause its a thing of beauty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_video_title

http://pocketnow.com/windows-p...ndows-phone-7-mango-preview


Thanks for the laugh. I needed that. I'd rather look at widgets than boxes. Looking at WP7 makes me feel like I'm in an insane asylum.

bxbbrian234 said,
wp7 is by far the best looking OS on the market, it is slick, intuitive, integrated and very modern, it actually makes Android and Iphone feel outdated, once Microsoft markets wp7 properly there is no way it wont take off the phone will sell itself cause its a thing of beauty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_video_title

http://pocketnow.com/windows-p...ndows-phone-7-mango-preview

In my book, the only thing WP7 has going for it are it's smooth, fluid animations. I won't lie, those animations are smooth, but when the animation stops, you're left with GIANT oversized text that's littered with overflow errors that's somehow supposed to pass as "artistic." Maybe I'm just not "modern" or "artistic" enough to see pass it's ugliness.

UndergroundWire said,

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that. I'd rather look at widgets than boxes. Looking at WP7 makes me feel like I'm in an insane asylum.

If all you're looking at is a static image on a dummy phone, I see your point.
USING the phone brings it to life.

dotf said,

If all you're looking at is a static image on a dummy phone, I see your point.
USING the phone brings it to life.

I've used the phone several times (The ones in T-Mobile and AT&T) was not impressed at all. Honestly, I see why it is not selling. By the way, when you first walk into an AT&T store in NYC, one side is iPhone and the other side is WP7. So it's not that people are not seeing them.

Microsoft needs to allow custom launchers for these phones. What kept WM selling their phones in my opinion was the Sense phones that HTC put out. That was the last time I saw anyone with WM phone. I have yet to meet one person with a WP7.

I call it Karma. Microsoft shot themselves down when the totally abandoned Windows Mobile 6.5 customers with new phones with no upgrades or up to date applications for all 2010. They began making applications for iPhone users and putting Windows Phone 7 in the works leaving Windows Mobile 6.5 customers stuck with useless applications and no updates for the O.S... A lot of people got even more frustrated when Microsoft finally came out with Exchange Active Sync and it worked better on the iPhone then it did Windows Mobile 6.5 platform. A lot of people including myself got tired of Microsoft and their sh*t, so we ended going to Apple and Android.

JSYOUNG571 said,
I call it Karma. Microsoft shot themselves down when the totally abandoned Windows Mobile 6.5 customers with new phones with no upgrades or up to date applications for all 2010. They began making applications for iPhone users and putting Windows Phone 7 in the works leaving Windows Mobile 6.5 customers stuck with useless applications and no updates for the O.S... A lot of people got even more frustrated when Microsoft finally came out with Exchange Active Sync and it worked better on the iPhone then it did Windows Mobile 6.5 platform. A lot of people including myself got tired of Microsoft and their sh*t, so we ended going to Apple and Android.

Yes I feel it's karma too. They abandoned existing WM users and didn't care because they have a small user base.

About the apps for the iPhone part: they didn't had the suitable APIs to make those apps. The heavily featured Bing app, or that Photosynth. But with those apps will come. They said so, themselves.

JSYOUNG571 said,
I call it Karma. Microsoft shot themselves down when the totally abandoned Windows Mobile 6.5 customers with new phones with no upgrades or up to date applications for all 2010. They began making applications for iPhone users and putting Windows Phone 7 in the works leaving Windows Mobile 6.5 customers stuck with useless applications and no updates for the O.S... A lot of people got even more frustrated when Microsoft finally came out with Exchange Active Sync and it worked better on the iPhone then it did Windows Mobile 6.5 platform. A lot of people including myself got tired of Microsoft and their sh*t, so we ended going to Apple and Android.

Why did you go to Android or iOS when you knew Microsoft had been focussing on Windows Phone and you could have got one of those? I agree that it is a shame they appeared to abandon Windows Mobile 6.5 users, but switching to Android or iOS because of that doesn't make sense to me when they clearly focussed their efforts on Windows Phone to ensure it would become the best platform (as it is with the Mango update).

xpclient said,

Yes I feel it's karma too. They abandoned existing WM users and didn't care because they have a small user base.

Check your facts: WM was once the king of the market; MS dropped the ball and marketshare began to shrink........ Exactlt as it happened to Palm before them.

Fritzly said,

Check your facts: WM was once the king of the market; MS dropped the ball and marketshare began to shrink........ Exactlt as it happened to Palm before them.


Oh, so Microsoft gave up on it even when it was on top. That is reassuring.

Callum said,

Why did you go to Android or iOS when you knew Microsoft had been focussing on Windows Phone and you could have got one of those? I agree that it is a shame they appeared to abandon Windows Mobile 6.5 users, but switching to Android or iOS because of that doesn't make sense to me when they clearly focussed their efforts on Windows Phone to ensure it would become the best platform (as it is with the Mango update).

Hey Callum! I remember you from Liveside. At the time that my contract was up Windows Phone 7 was in a coma. After doing some investigating on my own and reading complaints by users of Windows Phone 7, a lot of features were missing that I was use to having on my old Windows Phone. When Nodo came out and messed peoples phones up, I knew I did not feel like having a phone that was being used as an experiment after being abandoned on Windows Mobile 6.5 for so long. Rather you believe it or not the Mango update is another experiment to see if Microsoft is really going to be able to pull off the updates correctly this time. This is a win or loose situation for them and hopefully it is not too late (agreeing with the article). I plan on returning back to Windows Phone because I am a Microsoft veteran. All my services (email,contacts, calenders, messenger) are with them.

For some reason we are seeing alot of WP7 bashing in the press recently and I don't know why. I recently bought my son a Samsung Focus and I'm very impressed with what this OS can do. Mango and future updates will take it even further. I would choose WP7 over Apple any day.

Frankly on my next phone I will be hard pressed to choose between WP7 and Android. If WP7 keeps making improvements my choice will be easy.

Don't know if it's just me, but I've seen too many of these articles. It's pretty much the same news piece over and over again.

Quikboy said,
Don't know if it's just me, but I've seen too many of these articles. It's pretty much the same news piece over and over again.
No, it's not just you. It's just like, when the next iPhone will come, and what will it be called.

Most people don't know anything about Windows Phone, those that only know a little would have most likely been pressured into an iPhone or Android device at retail, and those that know a lot are waiting for Mango devices at this point.

And to those above saying that they don't know anyone with a Windows Phone, I actually personally know (meaning in real life, not through the Internet) 7 people besides myself that have Windows Phones. Just because you don't know anyone that has one doesn't mean nobody does...

Luis Mazza said,
MS screwed up when they started with the name WINDOWS one more time. WON'T those idiots NEVER LEARN?
It is the strongest brand name in tech. Literally billions of people know about it. It is the single most expensive software franchise in the world. No harm in using that, is there?
Their mobile efforts failed for another reason. As Ballmer himself said, "lack of focus". They have that now like never before. And I think think it's only a matter of time before they succeed in the mobile space.

FMH said,
And I think think it's only a matter of time before they succeed in the mobile space.

I hope so although I think it could happen with W8 and not WP7; furthermore a "conditio sine qua non" to succeed is MS stopping to follow Apple business model and go back to what always made MS OSes popular: choices.
A flexible OS offering users a lot of choices, not a walled garden.

Luis Mazza said,
MS screwed up when they started with the name WINDOWS one more time. WON'T those idiots NEVER LEARN?

I agree. The Windows and Microsoft name are tarnished in the Mobile business. Microsoft rebranded from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone is about as stupid as Sci-Fi rebranding to SyFy.

FMH said,
It is the strongest brand name in tech. Literally billions of people know about it. It is the single most expensive software franchise in the world. No harm in using that, is there?
Their mobile efforts failed for another reason. As Ballmer himself said, "lack of focus". They have that now like never before. And I think think it's only a matter of time before they succeed in the mobile space.

People buy Windows because they have to, there's almost no other option other then expensive Macs. But people can choose in the mobile business and they choose Apple. So no... Windows is no good in mobile business. People want cool cellphones, not everyday use computers.

FMH said,
It is the strongest brand name in tech. Literally billions of people know about it. It is the single most expensive software franchise in the world. No harm in using that, is there?
Their mobile efforts failed for another reason. As Ballmer himself said, "lack of focus". They have that now like never before. And I think think it's only a matter of time before they succeed in the mobile space.
Well the name doesn't seem to be helping much right now, is it?

MS Lose32 said,
Well the name doesn't seem to be helping much right now, is it?
I was talking about the future. The future in which there is Mango(7.5), Wango(~7.7) and Tango(8.0). And the Windows branding is helping today. Look at the developers intrest, and the enormous mindshare it has. It wouldn't have had that, if you had given it any other name.

FMH said,
I was talking about the future. The future in which there is Mango(7.5), Wango(~7.7) and Tango(8.0). And the Windows branding is helping today. Look at the developers intrest, and the enormous mindshare it has. It wouldn't have had that, if you had given it any other name.

Developers are no idiots to be guided by names and only that, but consumers are.
You should take a close look without being a fanboy to see that people need and use Windows, but they are far from being in love with the branding. That's what Microsoft refuses to see.

Luis Mazza said,

Developers are no idiots to be guided by names and only that, but consumers are.
You should take a close look without being a fanboy to see that people need and use Windows, but they are far from being in love with the branding. That's what Microsoft refuses to see.

The real problem with the Microsoft and Windows name is that the name is attached to corporate, bulky, buggy products. Look at the long run of products such as Office, Windows, and Internet Explorer. Mostly things that are tied to corporate or things that crash.

The Xbox is not known as the Microsoft Xbox. That Xbox name got them the success. The Zune could have succeeded if Microsoft did the right thing (such as sell it a lot cheaper than the competing Apple products, world-wide release and at least a yearly refresh cycle.

I'm sorry but the younger generation will not fall for this WP7 so easily as they did with iOS and Android IMO.

UndergroundWire said,

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I'm sorry but the younger generation will not fall for this WP7 so easily as they did with iOS and Android IMO.


WP7 had a better start than Android. Apps-wise, OEM's interest, and consumer's mindshare.

The retailers won't promote it because idiot customers come into the stores saying I want an iphone. It's like a bunch of zombies.

naap51stang said,
The retailers won't promote it because idiot customers come into the stores saying I want an iphone. It's like a bunch of zombies.

That's not the problem. I went in specifically asking for a Windows Phone and the person serving me suggested "You don't want a Windows Phone; it's an awful operating system." This happened 3 different times during the past year, and those are the only times I've been into a phone shop during that time. As we have heard from other people, this happens frequently and not just in England. Annoyingly for many of us Windows Phone users, this is damaging the reputation of the operating system, despite us knowing it is the best.

naap51stang said,
The retailers won't promote it because idiot customers come into the stores saying I want an iphone. It's like a bunch of zombies.

But Android has the most Market share. How is that possible?

UndergroundWire said,

But Android has the most Market share. How is that possible?

Because the techie elite who have buying power choose those phones because they're not MS, and because they're frustrated with BlackBerry and can't get Apple contracts.

dotf said,
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sorry I don't seem to have edit in IE7 (corporate desktop)....

I meant techie elite within telcos who put their own personal bias against their customer base and refuse to carry, or reduce the number of non-Android handsets.

dotf said,

Because the techie elite who have buying power choose those phones because they're not MS, and because they're frustrated with BlackBerry and can't get Apple contracts.

Wow, so people that can't get an iPhone (for whatever reason) is why Android has 50% market share? I'm sure it has something to do with OS. Don't kid yourself.

UndergroundWire said,
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Yes, the OS has a lot to do with it. Techie people in purchasing at telcos don't want to work with microsoft after the hassles of WinMo 6.x and lower.

Techie people always see MS as evil as in the telco game we're still all Mainframe / *Nix technologies. Having a *Nix OS makes those techno nerds cream their jeans so they advise business planners and people who actually pay the bill to flood the stores with Android devices.

Android was a good stop-gap measure between iOS and WP7 Mango.

Now the consumers need to get educated.

I for one am doing my damndest to give my friends in purchasing the heads up that Mango is a contender.

dotf said,
Now the consumers need to get educated.

One of the dumbest comments I ever read. You don't educate consumers. You dazzle them with features and advertisements. If you were running a company. You'll be running it to the ground. What are you going to do to educate consumers? Are you going door to door? Or are you going to have boring ads? Or will you advertise to everyone look Android has widgets and we have boxes that do stuff? Either way you look at it, I see failure.

sexypeperodri said,
I feel sorry for WP7 owners, they got the short stick.

I feel sorry for iOS users, they don't even get a stick. Just an imaginary one that Steve Jobs has convinced you all into thinking is actually a viable product...

sexypeperodri said,
I feel sorry for WP7 owners, they got the short stick.

We didn't get any short stick. Running build 7712 of Windows Phone codenamed Mango, I have a much better phone than anyone with Android, iOS, or BlackBerry OS, so isn't it those who have had the short stick?

Callum said,

We didn't get any short stick. Running build 7712 of Windows Phone codenamed Mango, I have a much better phone than anyone with Android, iOS, or BlackBerry OS, so isn't it those who have had the short stick?

What I meant by short stick is the platform with the less apps.

sexypeperodri said,

What I meant by short stick is the platform with the less apps.



I'm sure you of all people should know that nothing gains instantly. The Marketplace is the fastest growing currently, beating out Android's rate and sure as heck heating out iOS, which grows at a sluggish 1% a year.

PlogCF said,


I'm sure you of all people should know that nothing gains instantly. The Marketplace is the fastest growing currently, beating out Android's rate and sure as heck heating out iOS, which grows at a sluggish 1% a year.

There is no much to grow when you reached maximum level, like iOS has done and where Android is heading. WP7 still has a lot of catching up to do.

sexypeperodri said,
I feel sorry for WP7 owners, they got the short stick.

my LG optimus 7 runs like a dream.. Testing app start times against my dads iphone 4, using the same apps, start about a second faster.. And that was before nodo.. Like the globe and mail app.. Got my mom a wp7 and my dad thinks he made the wrong choice.. People never see, wp7 is way more senior friendly with huge buttons and an alphabetical list of all the apps..

Callum said,

We didn't get any short stick. Running build 7712 of Windows Phone codenamed Mango, I have a much better phone than anyone with Android, iOS, or BlackBerry OS, so isn't it those who have had the short stick?

How so? You have Voice Navigation, Screen Customization, Widgets, etc... or did it just play catchup?

Callum said,
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funny that.

I have similiar experience with my father-in-law over the weekend trying to show me his super cool HTC DesireHD, and while I'll admit that it is a decent device, he was looking for an app. By the time he gave up looking for where he put it, I had already searched my local app list for the same app, searched the marketplace for a comparable app, installed it, and demoed the functionality for him, on Windows Phone.

He still thinks his phone is great. Android users are the new eliteists. Blindly fumbling around on something they've been told by their tech friends is a good system, the best system out there......

While I carry on with other things....

It has abysmal sales because very few carriers [in Canada, for example] carry it. I've been looking, but only the big 3 support it, and the smaller PAYGO carriers don't despite having multiple iterations of the iPhone and BB. The prohibitively high cost also may be a factor, topping out at 699 in some cases.

tch1005 said,
It has abysmal sales because very few carriers [in Canada, for example] carry it. I've been looking, but only the big 3 support it, and the smaller PAYGO carriers don't despite having multiple iterations of the iPhone and BB. The prohibitively high cost also may be a factor, topping out at 699 in some cases.
gotta buy it online unlocked then switch to a small company

The only people that seem to buy WP7 phones are die-hard Microsoft fans. I have never, ever met anyone that even knows about WP7, let alone owns one. However, every single one of my friends and family has an Android-based phone. If Microsoft doesn't pull a trick out of it;s sleeve soon, I think they're going to have another KIN on-hand.

Mango seems like nothing more than a "me-too" update rather than groundbreaking.

bjoswald said,
The only people that seem to buy WP7 phones are die-hard Microsoft fans. I have never, ever met anyone that even knows about WP7, let alone owns one. However, every single one of my friends and family has an Android-based phone. If Microsoft doesn't pull a trick out of it;s sleeve soon, I think they're going to have another KIN on-hand.

Mango seems like nothing more than a "me-too" update rather than groundbreaking.


You haven't met anyone who has a Windows Phone because few people actually know about it and realise how good it is. Most of my friends who know nothing about technology see my phone and say "Oooh, I have a HTC too!" It always turns out to be an Android HTC phone; they appear to believe they're the same phones. . . . Not only that, but customer assistants in phone shops often unjustly berate Windows Phone. 3 different assistants in 2 different shops in 2 different cities have passionately recommended I don't buy a Windows Phone (even though I already had one which they didn't know about), and they couldn't give me any solid reasoning; they simply have a vendetta against it. I've only been in phone shops 3 times since buying my Windows Phone, so if assistants are going to act like that every time I've been in, and there have been reports saying assistants all over act in the same way, so many customers will be put off. Phone shops should give it a fair chance and actually promote the benefits, and Microsoft, the phone manufacturers, and the carriers should market the operating system and phones better than they do.

To add, I know 3 people who have Windows Phones, and none of them are Microsoft "fanboys," so you're wrong.

I am hoping Mango is very successful because it is such a fantastic operating system. I believe it is the best, and I've had a Windows Phone since last October. Mango is quite groundbreaking because not only does it pretty much make it comparable with the other operating systems in terms of features, it improves on the great live tile and hub philisophy, offering a much better and more innovative user experience than iOS, Android, and BlackBerry OS. The deep Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn integration additionally helps cement its place as one of the most useful phone operating systems for the many of us who use social networks frequently throughout the day.

Edited by Calum, Aug 2 2011, 3:22am :

bjoswald said,

Mango seems like nothing more than a "me-too" update rather than groundbreaking.

Fail. Miserably.
Lol, a "me too update" that includes innovative features that both Android and iOS lack. Is iOS 5 not a me-too update with its "innovative" and non-WP7 social integration, camera app, superior browser that still ranks decades below IE9 Mobile in terms of performance, "new" WP7-inspired notification system........
...should I go on?

Anyway, my point is that Mango brings a lot of features that are lacking in the competition. Besides the best social integration and non-lag that's unique to Android, Mango also brings features like flipping live tiles, app centralization through different hubs, music on lock screen, TRUE multitasking (unlike the tombstoning of iOS or Android's automatic killing of other background apps to make room for new ones), Linked Inbox, amazing voice recognition like text to SMS.....
...doesn't matter anyway. You're just blind the truth that this OS blows iOS clear out of the water (what doesn't, these days? ) and makes Android as usual look like the freak child of an OS that can't decide whether or not it wants to rip off features from iOS or now WP7 with the Metro interface being integrated slightly into more apps on Android. Ignorance is bliss, though.

PlogCF said,

Fail. Miserably.
Lol, a "me too update" that includes innovative features that both Android and iOS lack. Is iOS 5 not a me-too update with its "innovative" and non-WP7 social integration, camera app, superior browser that still ranks decades below IE9 Mobile in terms of performance, "new" WP7-inspired notification system........
...should I go on?

Anyway, my point is that Mango brings a lot of features that are lacking in the competition. Besides the best social integration and non-lag that's unique to Android, Mango also brings features like flipping live tiles, app centralization through different hubs, music on lock screen, TRUE multitasking (unlike the tombstoning of iOS or Android's automatic killing of other background apps to make room for new ones), Linked Inbox, amazing voice recognition like text to SMS.....
...doesn't matter anyway. You're just blind the truth that this OS blows iOS clear out of the water (what doesn't, these days? ) and makes Android as usual look like the freak child of an OS that can't decide whether or not it wants to rip off features from iOS or now WP7 with the Metro interface being integrated slightly into more apps on Android. Ignorance is bliss, though.

I'm not alone then?

bjoswald said,
The only people that seem to buy WP7 phones are die-hard Microsoft fans. I have never, ever met anyone that even knows about WP7, let alone owns one. However, every single one of my friends and family has an Android-based phone. If Microsoft doesn't pull a trick out of it;s sleeve soon, I think they're going to have another KIN on-hand.

Mango seems like nothing more than a "me-too" update rather than groundbreaking.

Guys guys guys. Don't feed the troll. Wait. You WERE trolling, right?

PlogCF said,

Fail. Miserably.
Lol, a "me too update" that includes innovative features that both Android and iOS lack. Is iOS 5 not a me-too update with its "innovative" and non-WP7 social integration, camera app, superior browser that still ranks decades below IE9 Mobile in terms of performance, "new" WP7-inspired notification system........
...should I go on?

Anyway, my point is that Mango brings a lot of features that are lacking in the competition. Besides the best social integration and non-lag that's unique to Android, Mango also brings features like flipping live tiles, app centralization through different hubs, music on lock screen, TRUE multitasking (unlike the tombstoning of iOS or Android's automatic killing of other background apps to make room for new ones), Linked Inbox, amazing voice recognition like text to SMS.....
...doesn't matter anyway. You're just blind the truth that this OS blows iOS clear out of the water (what doesn't, these days? ) and makes Android as usual look like the freak child of an OS that can't decide whether or not it wants to rip off features from iOS or now WP7 with the Metro interface being integrated slightly into more apps on Android. Ignorance is bliss, though.

Talking about ignorance......
If you want "true multitasking"....... check WM 6.XXXX.

bjoswald said,
The only people that seem to buy WP7 phones are die-hard Microsoft fans. I have never, ever met anyone that even knows about WP7, let alone owns one. However, every single one of my friends and family has an Android-based phone. If Microsoft doesn't pull a trick out of it;s sleeve soon, I think they're going to have another KIN on-hand.

Mango seems like nothing more than a "me-too" update rather than groundbreaking.


Same here (almost). Except, I have two friends who heard of it and said they wouldn't waste there time with it.

PlogCF said,

Fail. Miserably.
Lol, a "me too update" that includes innovative features that both Android and iOS lack. Is iOS 5 not a me-too update with its "innovative" and non-WP7 social integration, camera app, superior browser that still ranks decades below IE9 Mobile in terms of performance, "new" WP7-inspired notification system........
...should I go on?

Anyway, my point is that Mango brings a lot of features that are lacking in the competition. Besides the best social integration and non-lag that's unique to Android, Mango also brings features like flipping live tiles, app centralization through different hubs, music on lock screen, TRUE multitasking (unlike the tombstoning of iOS or Android's automatic killing of other background apps to make room for new ones), Linked Inbox, amazing voice recognition like text to SMS.....
...doesn't matter anyway. You're just blind the truth that this OS blows iOS clear out of the water (what doesn't, these days? ) and makes Android as usual look like the freak child of an OS that can't decide whether or not it wants to rip off features from iOS or now WP7 with the Metro interface being integrated slightly into more apps on Android. Ignorance is bliss, though.

LOL dude. WP7 does not have "TRUE multitasking". Android and WM6 do. Now "true multitasking" might not necessarily be the best type of multitasking for a cell phone, so MS might have got something right, but to keep things factual, WP7's multitasking is not "true" at all.

MS Lose32 said,
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Only if you define 'true multitasking' in the same terms as always connected PCs.

The multitasking model in winMo 6.x is abysmal in terms of a consumer electronics product. Android is no better.

When installing an app takes my battery life from 6h to 20min because the OS can 'truly multitask' that's a **** experience as a person who wants a phone as a phone when he needs a phone.

For cryin out loud, the multitasking model os Mango WILL become the pattern for all OSes in the future simply due to the engineers being concious of what multitasking means when you have a finite resource like a battery.

I've used the Mango update, wrote some sample Agents, and looking at it as a dev, it's not ideal as say an always-connected PC where power is not a constrained component, but as a consumer it's damn slick. It works, and works well.

I only hope this attention to detail goes into the engineering of windows 8, as consumers will be choosing portables over Always-on PCs.

The last thing I want on my phone is a task manager. Unfortunately, mango has one for the sake of completeness, but I don't feel it's actually required.

I'm going to need to see more desirable handsets on my carrier before I switch. It's a horrible selection right now.

ew2x4 said,
I'm going to need to see more desirable handsets on my carrier before I switch. It's a horrible selection right now.

Exactly. The At&t line up for Windows Phone 7 sucks.

JSYOUNG571 said,

Exactly. The At&t line up for Windows Phone 7 sucks.

The line up for all carriers suck. I think that this fall there will be an uptick in WP adoption, in part because of Mango, but largely because of the second gen WP devices, which will sit along side the first gen WP devices. Better selection should equate to more sales

I'm holding out to see future Samsung handsets and what Nokia has to offer. I really love WP7, I've just been holding out.

Mango won't change **** if people refuse to sell it or crap on it when a customer asks. Microsoft needs better marketing.

primexx said,
Mango won't change **** if people refuse to sell it or crap on it when a customer asks. Microsoft needs better marketing.

If they try to pull that on me, I'm going to take their iPhones hostage and smash them with a hammer one at a time until they sell me my Mango phone.

primexx said,
Mango won't change **** if people refuse to sell it or crap on it when a customer asks. Microsoft needs better marketing.

Yeah because the Apple "If you don't have an iPhone, then you don't have an iPhone" TV commercials really great marketing...I find them quite degrading. Talk about pointing out the obvious.

LLTC said,

Yeah because the Apple "If you don't have an iPhone, then you don't have an iPhone" TV commercials really great marketing...I find them quite degrading. Talk about pointing out the obvious.

iOS isn't berated by many customer assistants in many phone shops like Windows Phone is, and it is a much more well known operating system, so Apple don't have as hard a job marketing their platform as Microsoft do.

LLTC said,

Yeah because the Apple "If you don't have an iPhone, then you don't have an iPhone" TV commercials really great marketing...I find them quite degrading. Talk about pointing out the obvious.


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I find these commercials condescending and downright insulting, but for the non-tech users it makes them believe that only the iPhone offers these features when Android and WP7 do too. Credit where credit is due though, it is effective.

primexx said,
Mango won't change **** if people refuse to sell it or crap on it when a customer asks. Microsoft needs better marketing.

I would say it was marketed just fine in spain, but for some reason they STOPPED doing it. For some reason 'microsoft' attached to a mobile phone doesnt say much to people.

I like every single headline says WP7 sales are "absymal" Who the hell cares until it's time to see sales numbers after Mango?

wixostrix said,
I like every single headline says WP7 sales are "absymal" Who the hell cares until it's time to see sales numbers after Mango?

It's all uninformed people looking for clicks... The long term is what matters. Look at XBox...

gulshan666 said,
No mango, banana, ginger, bread, icecream, pizza, burger, orange compete with *apple*

I like IceCream over apples any day

brent3000 said,

I like IceCream over apples any day
IceCream Sandwich(update) or were you just talking about real iceCream.

FMH said,
IceCream Sandwich(update) or were you just talking about real iceCream.

Who was talking about technology?

Holey said,
Yet its satisfaction rating is among the highest..

I think it's one of those things that is just going to take time. It was really unfinished upon original RTM. Hopefully Mango can redeem that.

Holey said,
Yet its satisfaction rating is among the highest..

When you have a small niche footprint that'll always be the case.

Owen W said,

I think it's one of those things that is just going to take time. It was really unfinished upon original RTM. Hopefully Mango can redeem that.
Considering that an unfinished OS sold 1.5 million a quater, imagine how much would they sell with a full-fledge OS and with Mr. Finland on board.

FMH said,
Considering that an unfinished OS sold 1.5 million a quater, imagine how much would they sell with a full-fledge OS and with Mr. Finland on board.

Concerningly, many customers who aren't in the know may have been put off by the "unifinished OS," and they may not understand it has been updated to be better than the other platforms. We all know what the average user is like, especially when customer assistants in phone shops berate the "unfinished OS."

Holey said,
Yet its satisfaction rating is among the highest..
I agree... People who have WP7 never go back... It's simply because Verizon only has the Trophy out right now... These numbers are all useless until Verizon picks up some more WP7 phones... I can name about 7 of my coworkers who would switch immediately one Mango and newer Wp7 phones come out for Verizon. I wouldn't trade my Trophy for any Android phone!

FMH said,
Considering that an unfinished OS sold 1.5 million a quater, imagine how much would they sell with a full-fledge OS and with Mr. Finland on board.

Waiting for "Godot".........

I have been using the latest released build of Mango and while it surely is an improvement it is not a game change.

Holey said,
Yet its satisfaction rating is among the highest..

That's because it has no mass-market appeal and only fanboys/nerds are buying them. I don't know a single typical consumer friend that owns a WP7.

DukeEsquire said,
That's because it has no mass-market appeal and only fanboys/nerds are buying them. I don't know a single typical consumer friend that owns a WP7.

Funny, the twelve typical consumer friends who I've urged toward the platform actually praise their NoDo phones. Of course they are jealous of the features of Mango I've demoed for them.

I think typical consumers need to try the phone. The phone doesn't display well in kiosks that use 'dummy phones' with static images on the 'screens'.

This is why typical consumers do not see the appeal. It takes actually using one, and discovering the simplicity and discoverability that warms typical consumers over.

My most recent success was a guy who came from a feature phone, and tried most other mobile OSes. His experience was: Android (too techy), Blackberry (cumbersome with tiny keys, flimsy, flakey with too many battery breaks to keep it running.). He has iDevices, but did not want one as a phone being that the only one available with his carrier has that all glass front and back, and he's a tradesman.

Sold him the Quantum, because that's what his carrier offered. Within three days, he said this is the best phone ever.

The phone was designed with the typical consumer in mind. Someone who wants the features of a phone, without all the mucking about that other platforms require.