WSJ: Changes to iOS 7 will be "pretty conservative"

Apple is expected to unveil a new iPhone in the summer, and with every new iPhone comes a new version of iOS. According to many, including BlackBerry, iOS is getting a little stale; the UI has been around - in one form or another - since 2007, and Apple hasn't changed many of the core design elements. Contrastingly, Android has had many design overhauls, with Google adopting a rather robotic look with Jelly Bean. 

The Wall Street Journal has published a new report which talks about iOS 7, and what it will look like under Jony Ive. Scott Forstall, Apple's old VP of software who was responsible for iOS since its inception, recently left Apple and with it the development of iOS. Apple appointed Ive as the head of iOS, and iOS 7 will be the first view into his ideas for Apple's mobile operating system. The Apple design team have been provided with hardware samples much earlier in the design cycle, in order to tailor iOS to the actual handset, according to the WSJ. 

In regards to the design of iOS 7, the WSJ reports that it will be "starker and simpler" with a new "flat design" ethic. Apple is aiming for "greater collaboration across hardware, software and services" in regards to the iPhone, iPad and iOS. Apple's hardware and software teams currently work very closely with each other, at Steve Jobs' request.

The WSJ's report does contain one rather worrying line however: "Overall, they expect any changes to be pretty conservative." Users are clamouring for changes in iOS, including the addition of widgets (unlikely, and a claim that goes back to the iPhone 3G); the ability to set apps as default, rather than Apple choosing their own apps; the ability to switch phone functions, like Wi-Fi and 3G, from the homescreen via buttons; as well as a myriad of other UI and UX changes. Apple being "pretty conservative" with those changes won't endear users to iOS. 

Of course, Apple may be playing down iOS 7 before they unveil it at WWDC in a few months time, but the WSJ is usually fairly accurate. iOS is fast becoming Apple's most contentious piece of software, with the eyes of every iPhone user being on it almost everyday; "pretty conservative" change is just not an option. 

Source: Wall Street Journal

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Most of the features people are clamouring for are unnecessary and will bloat up the UI. If you want widgets and toggles on the home screen, you should be using Android.

I just want to see multiple user accounts. I am not even bothered if the accounts have the same apps. I would like to be able to sign in the iPad as me then all the apps (Facebook, Twitter, email et al) are automatically signed in as me. Then if my daughter signs in the iPad as her, all the apps are signed in as her.

Shadrack said,
I love these kinds of news articles. Lots of whinny bitches come with rocks to throw and it is highly amusing.

Agreed. All this bitching about Android being better than iOS and visa versa! I'm just quietly enjoying my Lumia 920 over here

What I find so funny about iFans is what the writer says here - "the ability to set apps as default, rather than Apple choosing their own apps; the ability to switch phone functions, like Wi-Fi and 3G, from the homescreen via buttons; as well as a myriad of other UI and UX changes."

Android has all that an more, yet they are too stupid, to egotistical, to prideful to just switch and get the phone they want that would be suitable. All because of stupid ignorant lame excuses, like the Android phones are made of plastic or are to big. Shows how Apple is the Dr. Spock of the mobile fanclub. They basically mind-melted the zombies into perfect submission to a point they cant even think for themselves.

Its what I love about Samsung's GS3 commericials mocking Apple. Yes they were a bit sensational, but not far off. "The connector, they say is going ot be fully digital...what does that even mean?" NOTHING. "They moved the headphones jack to the bottom...boooommm!" I mean if you look at each iPhone, they basically are doing exactly what the video game industry did for the late 80's and early 90's. They milked the industry with lame upgrades when even PC's had better stuff. Going from 8bit to 16, than 32 and 64. When the 8bit was released 64bit technology was already avail from the likes of IBM and Intel.

I had the 4 and 4S and I too like Apple keen eye on design, but not at the expense of performance, customization and having plenty of features even if I am not going ot use them all.

Because frankly which is better at retail? Paying $899 for a 64GB iPhone that can't, transfer files over BT, that doesn't give you digital camera options, can't change the UI elements, can't directly transfer my own files as they dont suppost mass storage options, can't upgrade the storage, cant swap the battery.

Who wants to live in the world of can't for all that money they charge when you can live in a world of can for so much less money? I mean that is why Windows beat the heck out of Mac OS/OS X. Same basic functions and more, lower cost of ownership and worldwide varity and availability.

Have options like more colors beyond black and white, having more phone size options, support for open source media file types, open file system so I can save my on personal data the way I do at my PC, increase storage capability and so much more. And all the fans of Apple can harp about is I dont want a plastic phone. LOL The first iPhone models were plastic...or have we been so brainwashed that we forgot?

Enjoy your fancy looking useless piece of junk iPhone, while us Android users enjoy freedom in a open world where "can't" isnt even in our vocabulary. Enjoy your iPhone 5S that will be basically an iPhone 5 with slightly faster hardware, it may come in a 3rd color, but have all the same crummy boring features and dated UI. Hats off to Microsoft fo at least trying toi bring something different to the table even if many dont like it.

And yet, despite all the amazing points you highlight, Apple phones still sell like hotcakes. So what does that tell you? You accuse iPhone users of propping themselves up with the useless argument of not liking 'plastic phones'. I accuse many anti iPhone users of doing the same with the tediously old and childish 'iSheep' argument when trying to explain its popularity.

Could it be that the iPhone provides what the majority of users want? Simplicity, reliability, and ease of use. I consider myself a typical self-employed guy. When I had my htc that could transfer via Bluetooth I don't think I ever used it aside from once just to see how it worked. I could add widgets to the screens but that became very old very quickly as I am a male in my forties. Oh yes, and then there was the app store equivalent - the minefield of mediocre development standards in which anyone can add just about anything regardless of its standard.

Maybe it's time to face the possibility that the phone you feel is only purchased by those with no imagination is actually purchased by those who have realistic expectations and practical everyday needs for their phone. Nobody is being brainwashed - we all know exactly what we are buying and here's the kicker - we all seem to love it. Get over it.

Android has all that an more, yet they are too stupid, to egotistical, to prideful to just switch and get the phone they want that would be suitable.

I don't think all Android users are stupid and egotistical, but some are. You seem to be in that category.

TheDogsBed said,
And yet, despite all the amazing points you highlight, Apple phones still sell like hotcakes. So what does that tell you? You accuse iPhone users of propping themselves up with the useless argument of not liking 'plastic phones'. I accuse many anti iPhone users of doing the same with the tediously old and childish 'iSheep' argument when trying to explain its popularity.

Could it be that the iPhone provides what the majority of users want? Simplicity, reliability, and ease of use. I consider myself a typical self-employed guy. When I had my htc that could transfer via Bluetooth I don't think I ever used it aside from once just to see how it worked. I could add widgets to the screens but that became very old very quickly as I am a male in my forties. Oh yes, and then there was the app store equivalent - the minefield of mediocre development standards in which anyone can add just about anything regardless of its standard.

Maybe it's time to face the possibility that the phone you feel is only purchased by those with no imagination is actually purchased by those who have realistic expectations and practical everyday needs for their phone. Nobody is being brainwashed - we all know exactly what we are buying and here's the kicker - we all seem to love it. Get over it.

Yes many do want a phone that is simple. But that isnt what we are talking baout. What we are talking about are people like YOU and ME who come to blogs like this. We arent those same everyday people. We are users who can and will do more with out phones. We are the same group that complain about updates and security issues. We are the tech elite who watch tech blogs to see what is going to be coming with new devices. Isnt that wahy you come here?

So why would ypu try to compare us to a bunch of - using your words "the phone you feel is only purchased by those with no imagination is actually purchased by those who have realistic expectations and practical everyday needs for their phone."

Because see as my job is I am an IT Tech I look for those things. I already people exist liek what you said. THose arent the people I am speaking of. I am speaking of the same people the article speaks about. Those who do want the features I spoke of, those who want more for their money. The fact is Apple is sitting on $99billion and what are they doing with it? They are doing what MS did and RIM did and before you know it, it will be Apple trying ot fight for relevance soon as these other guys are doing but it will then be to late. Look what happened ot the Mac whena company just sits on its laurels.

No WE are not the same. I don't demand that my phone can transfer via Bluetooth, I don't demand that it allows me to litter my screen with widgets and I really don't care that much about when updates come about. I am just a regular user like the overwhelming majority of phone users of my age group and business demographic. I don't come here to see who is coming up with new devices at all - far from it - I couldn't care less in the grand scheme of things of my daily life. I visit here out of habit (been a member for many years) and it's a very unsophisticated way of getting some light tech news, as opposed to the more in-depth websites which would take more of my time.

I think you may be guilty of some insular thinking which, in turn, clouds your judgement in what is needed by the iPhone. Because you visit here for the reasons you stated in your own reply and because you work in IT, you understandably assume that the majority of people want the same things that you want from a phone. They really don't. They want familiarity, reliability, and to own a phone that has the largest compatibility with their friends and family. That's why the iPhone is so popular despite the so-called 'tech elite' (your words) constantly harping on about how stale it is. It really does just work.

TheDogsBed said,
And yet, despite all the amazing points you highlight, Apple phones still sell like hotcakes. So what does that tell you?

Have you been so brainwashed that you've forgotten how to read and comprehend? He answered your question in the 2nd paragraph!

That really showed me, eh? You are amazing.

javagreen said,

Have you been so brainwashed that you've forgotten how to read and comprehend? He answered your question in the 2nd paragraph!


meh release ios7 loks the same as ios6, slows down older devices making u buy new iphone/ipad, 10 years later still looking the same

I'm fortunate enough to get to setup various devices for my companies sales team. Some go with Android tablets, others go with iPads. Some go with iPhones, others with Samsung's. Ya know what, Android looks pretty and has so many cool features that it runs like an absolute hog compared to iOS. I agree that iOS is simple, but I think that's the point. The focus is on the apps, not the os. For Android, it's the other way around. iOS is smooth, stable and "tight". To me, Android is a gorgeous mess.

Do you know why they will never bother to change the UI?? Why should they when people can jailbreak there phones and do it themselves. Its funny how the jailbreakers keep finding exploits to jailbreak the phone. Personally i think apple fix the current exploits then open new ones to appear like there fixing it. there lazy and cant be bothered simples.

Windows Phone and Metro have been released since 2010 (and even earlyer considering Zune)... It's really a model as new informative typography and coloured flat design paradigms...

So, it's ironic but I really enjoy saying : "Cupertino, start your photocopier !"

"Users are clamouring for changes in iOS, including the addition of widgets..."

Says who? I use iOS and unsurprisingly so do many (actually most) of those I know. Not once have I heard any one of us demand changes to the iOS. It strikes me that most who want it to change are those who don't even use it. They claim it looks too boring or too stale. But that isn't for them to decide - the users will decide when that is the case by failing to buy it. Until such time, assume we're okay with it just as it is.

Reading many of the comments from iOS users above, it strikes me that I'm not in any minority in liking iOS just as it is. "Users are clamouring for changes" indeed!

TheDogsBed said,
"Users are clamouring for changes in iOS, including the addition of widgets..."

Says who? I use iOS and unsurprisingly so do many (actually most) of those I know. Not once have I heard any one of us demand changes to the iOS. It strikes me that most who want it to change are those who don't even use it. They claim it looks too boring or too stale. But that isn't for them to decide - the users will decide when that is the case by failing to buy it. Until such time, assume we're okay with it just as it is.

Reading many of the comments from iOS users above, it strikes me that I'm not in any minority in liking iOS just as it is. "Users are clamouring for changes" indeed!

Another ifan who shows how Apple's has brainwashed you. Apple has you all thinking that you must display a percentage number in order to confirm a fact. YOU DON'T. Just because you hang out with other people who think like you, doesn;t mean we all do. Let me give you a better example...

Let's say for example there is a fire in a high rise building. And you look outside and you see 100 people stariung is disbelief. Now, is it reasonable to assume that someone looking has already called 911 and the facty you hear sirens surely means someone did. Now, what advantage would it be that even though you know this, that you pick up your phone and also call 911 to report the same excat fire that they likely already received 100 calls for? In other words, having a number of how many people would want or dont want these features spoecifically, doesnt make or your point any more believeable.

But if that will help you then here is one. Before the Galaxy S III, Motorola set the Guiness Book of Records for selling the most phones of a single model. They sold 50M+ in a single year,an number even APple hasnt been able to do yet. Now, since only numbers matter to you, please give a reason why over 50M people have pruchased the GS3 with one year of its official release? Coudl it be that the features of the GS3 ae what people want? Oh and how about the fact that there are other OEM's whoi have Android phones yet they cant even sell one model at this level? How about the fact that over 500M smartphones sold for the year 2012 and 70% of them were Android. Do you realluy think price is the only reason they sold? How much you bet that at least 50% sold just because of the offered featuresets of Android devices as a whole? If that doesnt wake you up for an OS that came 2 years after iOS and is beating it with more than double the market space, Nearly the same amount of apps, a diverse legend of phones and accessories, if that iwnt enough for you, then you are blind to the fact of your own statement - "Users are clamouring for changes"...yes thay are that is why Android market nmbers double or nearly double every year, where sales number also doubled or nearly double every year since day one and why Apple even with increase sales stioll only gets 23% of this same market. Grow up man!Here have some Android coffee, because the koolaid has really sugared up your thinking. You do know sugar water is bad for you right? Its so funny, because when the then APple CEO invite John Scully to come to APple he asked him using these words -"Do uyopu want to make sugar water all your life, or do you want to make history". The Making history direction ran Apple nearly broke, and they brought Steve Jobs back and started selling sugar water again.

TechieXP - Take a chill pill man, and relax. We are talking about a friggen smartphones here. You know, those things for textie, textie, emails, facebook update, oh look I have a reminder kind of stuff.

You post walls of text like an apocalyptic conspiracy theorist. Please stop trying to sell Android because you make Android users seem irrational and crazy.

I'm actually pretty happy with iOS as it is, I'm really not trying to flame or start something but I honestly can't really find anything I want added (... apart from an integrated instant lesbian porn app )

jporter said,
I'm actually pretty happy with iOS as it is, I'm really not trying to flame or start something but I honestly can't really find anything I want added (... apart from an integrated instant lesbian porn app )

Yours hasn't got that? Oh, that's odd....

Apple's strength is the number of apps and their hardware. Their ios is really getting old. They should do something about it. Android was buggy and slow, Google put so much effort and now its better. Microsoft also paying the price for catching up late but they are really pushing. I don't see so much push from apple nowadays

S3P€hR said,
Apple's strength is the number of apps and their hardware. Their ios is really getting old. They should do something about it. Android was buggy and slow, Google put so much effort and now its better. Microsoft also paying the price for catching up late but they are really pushing. I don't see so much push from apple nowadays
How is that a strenght? Android has just as many apps and what Android has that apple doesnt isthis. If i get tired of one brand of Android phones, I can switch to another and all of my stuff comes with me. With APple if you get tired of Apple as a brand and you wnat to jump to another brand, you cant take anything with you. Even so, if I have Android and I want to use another OS, yes I lose my apps and data. But at least I an still move all my music and videos, which u cant with iOS unless you convert them.

you guys should have jailbroken your Iphone when you had the chance! I unlocked tons of features you will never see in stock iOS that you have been begging for. The Iphone IS the best phone available...when the right people have control of the software!

Edward Lee Hines said,
you guys should have jailbroken your Iphone when you had the chance! I unlocked tons of features you will never see in stock iOS that you have been begging for. The Iphone IS the best phone available...when the right people have control of the software!
even jailobroken, the iPhone ant hold its wait to an Android device that comes stock. But it does come close. But once you jailbreak, the OS lags more, full multitasking still sucks and well its just still boring over all. It takes to much work and to much time after a jailbreak to make the iPhjone even come reasonably close to today's Android. Why buy an iPhone, spend 5 mins on the jailbreak and then 2 hours or more downloading an installing capbilities that on Android are avail as soon as youpull the phone out the box and all I have to wait for is the 40 seconds it takes to boot up?

When I had my iPhone 4, when you incompass the time to jailbreak and install Cydia, download the apps and updates, then sync all my stuff back it literally took 4 - 6 hours of time. LAME! and I will never fall for that again.

I do like the iPhone as yes it is simplistic and ha a nice design. But its limitations for the cost are to high for what I think I should be getting. Most times I pay retail price and when I compare $899 for a 64GB iPhone to another I paid only $699 + $55 for a 64GB microSD card and I have more RAM, MORE STORAGE, a BIGGER SCREEN, HIGHER RESOLUTION, just as many apps, I can skin the UI how I want, I can install custom firmware and more...why would I even look at an iPhone? Well one good reason,none of the above would need to be important. But as the article says, these are things iPhone users wnat and jnow they likely wont ever get. Yet they are to proud to admit just how outdated the iPhone is simply because they now hate plastic. HAHAH!

Hah. Android stock can't even do backups properly. You have to unlock/root to get a decent nightly backup scheme sorted out. Your posts in this thread, TechieXP, have really brought a lot of amusement to my day. Thanks for your nonsensical rants.

I may be the only one that likes IOS the way it is. Simplistic, easy, fast, clean, clutter free, and exacting. The only thing i could whine about would be not having a 5" screen.

You are not the only one my friend. I've tried the Lumia 920 and Note 2. Guess what? I'm back to using my trusty iPhone 5 that just works, and all the apps I use are polished for this phone.

rippleman said
I may be the only one that likes IOS the way it is. Simplistic, easy, fast, clean, clutter free, and exacting. The only thing i could whine about would be not having a 5" screen.
That's perfectly fine. I know a lot of iOS users who love it just the way it is. I like having more controls and options, but that's just me.

JHBrown said,
You are not the only one my friend. I've tried the Lumia 920 and Note 2. Guess what? I'm back to using my trusty iPhone 5 that just works, and all the apps I use are polished for this phone.

Hmm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...223CF4F1FF5B0D9&index=8

Oh snap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...223CF4F1FF5B0D9&index=9

LOL Apple got owned: http://www.forbes.com/sites/to...e-than-android-a-data-dive/

Suuuuuuuuuure, your iOS device works better than Android.

I think you have never tried Android 4.2.x before.

Exynos said,

Hmm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...223CF4F1FF5B0D9&index=8

Oh snap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...223CF4F1FF5B0D9&index=9

LOL Apple got owned: http://www.forbes.com/sites/to...e-than-android-a-data-dive/

Suuuuuuuuuure, your iOS device works better than Android.

I think you have never tried Android 4.2.x before.

I've quoted that same Forbe's areticle which shows that even if you combine all the crashes from every build of Android combine avail as a public offering, it still has far less app crashes vs iOS build. And just remember this fact, most of the IOS builds were for fixes and to secure the security breaks that jailbreaking used to exploit iOS. They doitn bring new features of nothing. Most of the Android buildsbrought, yes fixes and patches and they als brought new or enhanced capabilities. I too argied that Gingerbread offers many features that iOS 5.1 and 6 finally got on some level yet still fall shott?

And Siri was a joke. Siri was a personal assistant application that was in the app store. Voice integration as a whole has been a part of Android for a long time. Even Windows Mobile allowed the use of voice to type messages and email. What makes such featues work better now is better hardware and software capability. But APple spun these thinsg off a new.

If you look at Siri's UI, Apple went and totally change the appearance from how Siri was that the original dev made and stole a UI from another company

Original Siri App - http://www.iphonehacks.com/201...iri-app-from-app-store.html

The UI they stole - http://www.pcworld.com/article...ed_patent_infringement.html

Look at this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZyD8-T-C0I - shows APple's Siri is using the identical same UI and even down the the same thought bubbles. Yet the iFans will rip into Samsung saying they copied, when nothing other than the orginal Galaxy S actually looks like an iPhone.

Nothing in Samsung's UI even looks like iOS. Icons can't be patented. The generic phone icon APple has, was used on smartphones long before Apple had one.

Apple even stole this guy's application. He submitted it to Apple to be included in the apps store. Apple said no and the very next iOS release had this guys app. A full and blantant theif. - ITunes Wireless Sync. - http://www.pcworld.com/article...veloper_Wi_Fi_Sync_App.html

Apple even stole his icon. Just because this kid is poor and doesnt have thr resources to fight Apple, Apple just went and stole his app which was and had been avail on Cydia if you have a jailbroken iPhone.

Android phones can be sync'd with any desktop management software for managing music and video so as long as it works with mass storage which all do excapt iTunes which has been called malware as it installs thinsg Windows doesnt even need like Bonjour which is a service that looks for networking devices and networked printers. WHy would iTunes need this?

Apple is a joke and your post was awesome. I just wanted to add more facts to it. Apple is uninventive and that is why in 7 years APple cant evenmake their own product bettetr. Why? Because is is Sony who designed their phone and they can't even improve it much. And iOS is a rip off of BSD and all they did was skin it with an array of static icons likeany other boring desktop OS. No innovation, no style and they claim Android is a complete rip of iOS. Well just remember they claimed WIndows wasa complete rip of Mac OS...we all know how that story went.

jasonon said,
no surprises, the operating system is mature and there isn't much else they can do!
Mature in what way? Features can always be added to an OS. Look at WIndows. Its basically been mature wince Microsoft drop the consumer version and just made them all NT based. Yet Windows still with evey release has new features and ca[pabilities. Why can't iOS which gets a full revision yearly, not be able to manage the same?

And this is suprising how?..... Apple is a company that puts a huge change out there then never changes from that.... and gets the OMG they are revolutionizing the world! kinda comments.... yet after that initial change..... slim to little change

Exactly. The company revolutionises the way people use a device (MP3 player, phone, tablet, etc) and then lets it stagnate until it's irrelevant. Apple is playing it safe with the iPod, iPhone and iPad, instead choosing to move onto the iWatch.

Curious as it's been a while since I used iOS, but... why is there no app drawer or whatever you call it yet? Like a button to get to all apps so you don't have to have them all pinned on the front, let alone look for them or have to use the search function. Or am I missing something with that?

Sly_Ripper said,
The home screen is the app drawer, order them however you like.
Obviously you didnt understand the question. And apps drawer is how Android to show you all the apps you ahve installed, without penning them all to your whole screen. All what sucks about iOS, is when you are syncing apps, and you run out of homes screens, ITunes will simply stop installing the apps, until you put them in folders. LAME. Even if My device runs out of homes screens, I an keep installing apps as long as I have storage space. You know, the way ALL computers work. Apple forces you to install all your icons and waste your home screens? Suppose I only wnat 3 home screens with icon for just the ones i use most? Oh and I can go through my screens from either the left or right...not being forced to go only to the right..until you get to the last one and have to go all the way back. That i salso very lame and childish.

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Mar 22 2013, 3:28pm :

TechieXP said,
Obviously you didnt understand the question. And apps drawer is how Android to show you all the apps you ahve installed, without penning them all to your whole screen. All what sucks about iOS, is when you are syncing apps, and you run out of homes screens, ITunes will simply stop installing the apps, until you put them in folders. LAME. Even if My device runs out of homes screens, I an keep installing apps as long as I have storage space. You know, the way ALL computers work. Apple forces you to install all your icons and waste your home screens? Suppose I only wnat 3 home screens with icon for just the ones i use most? Oh and I can go through my screens from either the left or right...not being forced to go only to the right..until you get to the last one and have to go all the way back. That i salso very lame and childish.

Ok, iOS clearly doesn't meet your needs. Why are you so bullheaded to not believe that it meets other people's needs just fine?

Really, I thought iOS was adequate until using Android. You realize how many things you aren't able to do by default. I'm all about minor conveniences, which is why I asked. It seems rather silly to have them just pin to the screen in such a way. Not sure how I used to put up with it before...

Well, I have made up my mind officially, although it was pretty much already made up.
I am getting an S4 as soon as it is released. Just time for a change.
I have spent a lot of money on iOS apps, but still have my iPad for those.
See you later iPhone.
Maybe in 2 years when I am up for a new phone you will have gotten an overhaul.
I am just really bored of your UI.

DirtyLarry said,
Well, I have made up my mind officially, although it was pretty much already made up.
I am getting an S4 as soon as it is released. Just time for a change.
I have spent a lot of money on iOS apps, but still have my iPad for those.
See you later iPhone.
Maybe in 2 years when I am up for a new phone you will have gotten an overhaul.
I am just really bored of your UI.

Same here. I had 3 iPhones (3G, 4 and 4S) and I enjoyed using them. They were fast and stable… but I got bored at some point, I felt iOS was stuck in time, and I wanted to try something new.

I bought a Galaxy S III, flashed CM10.1 (JB 4.2.2) on it with a custom kernel (KT747) and I got something that I enjoy even more than my old iPhones. The custom kernel gives me crazy battery life, and I have features I could never have on a iPhone without jailbreaking it (and risking to lose the jailbreak anytime)

I'm not saying iPhones are bad phones… but I think Android is more evolved and modern that anything you can find on an iPhone.

BTW, I'm not an Apple hater, I'm writing from a rMBP.

myxomatosis said,

Same here. I had 3 iPhones (3G, 4 and 4S) and I enjoyed using them. They were fast and stable… but I got bored at some point, I felt iOS was stuck in time, and I wanted to try something new.

I bought a Galaxy S III, flashed CM10.1 (JB 4.2.2) on it with a custom kernel (KT747) and I got something that I enjoy even more than my old iPhones. The custom kernel gives me crazy battery life, and I have features I could never have on a iPhone without jailbreaking it (and risking to lose the jailbreak anytime)

I'm not saying iPhones are bad phones… but I think Android is more evolved and modern that anything you can find on an iPhone.

BTW, I'm not an Apple hater, I'm writing from a rMBP.

I have the GN2, though I personally dont like CM roms, your point is well taken. But even without rooting an install a custom ROM, Samsung branded Android phones are like what Windows is for the desktop. 100% customizable, near endess range of features and no jailbreaking is required. Even a jailbroken iPhone falls short to many Android phones running Froyo or Gingerbread.

I use Scott's Clean roms because they use the origonal Samsung TouchWiz UI (or you can use Apex and other launchers, has easy setup and I prefer TW recover vs Clockwork. But these are the reaosns I love Android becaus you have choices.

the ability to set apps as default, rather than Apple choosing their own apps
Wow... Sometimes it's surprising to hear just how many basic features iOS users are missing. To those of you wanting a more "advanced mode" for "power users", it's called Android.

Major Plonquer said,
I agree 100%. Android is the bee's knees. And no extra charge for the malware.

Well I did say "power users". I admit, Google's app store is not as much of a nanny as Apple's store is. But a little bit of common sense is all it takes to avoid malware.

iOS feels very dated and is laking MANY basic features. It won't get better… Really Apple? You won't do anything? You won't fight Android? Where's your innovation?

Simon said,
What basic features are you missing?

Not sure if this is a trick question..but just about everything can be done faster and with fewer presses than ios.

Its sad..theyre using the word conservative to cover up the lack of innovation.

Simon said,
What basic features are you missing?

Rapidly, things that come to my mind that Android does and iOS doesn't:

-The possibility to turn on/off Wifi, Airplane mode, Bluetooth, NFC, Bluetooth Thetering, Do not disturb, Brightness and many other settings rapidly from the Notifications Center without having to go in "Settings" and navigate through many menus

-The possibly to add secondary functions to icons (for example swiping my Phone icon up calls home automatically)

-Unlimited folder size (unlimited number of icons in folders)

-The possibility to hide unwanted icons

-Alternative keyboards like Swiftkey (you must use it to understand how great it is)

-Game controller support (Playing SNES games on my GSIII is awesome)

-Buttons personalization (Being able to decide what the Home button does, what the Menu button does, etc.)

-A true visual task manager (that thing that scrolls up from the bottom of the screen on iOS is absurd and not practical at all)

-Possibility to kill all apps at the same time

-Being able to manage volume bars separately (notifications, alarms, phone, music)

-Being able to configure a data usage limit. And Data usage resetting itself automatically every months

-A way to determine which apps are using the battery in what proportion

-A lock screen that is actually useful and can display notifications, not only a clock and a wallpaper

-Profiles! I don't want my kids to play violent games… they have their profile, with their settings, their games, etc.

-Advanced features (i/o schedulers, animation speed, etc.)

-A more complete Notifications Center. Notifications that can actually do things without opening the app. For example archiving e-mails in Gmail. Replying to SMS, etc.

-Notifications LED: Pink LED = Wife SMS - Blue LED = New email - Green LED = New voicemail - Yellow LED = New Facebook notification, etc.

-ROMs support

-Refund on the Google Play store.

etc.

I had 3 iPhones before buying a Galaxy S III… I know what both OS (iOS and Android) can and can't do… and iOS feels dated and lacking everytime I use my wife's iPad

Edited by myxomatosis, Mar 22 2013, 1:04am :

myxomatosis said,

You just proved you never used an Android phone Congrats


Nah, it was a half attempt to troll. Still, wouldn't replace my iPhone for an Android for several reasons, but since 4.0, Android is not a bad operating system.

myxomatosis said,
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Great post! To be fair on the SwiftKey though, I had to purchase it in order to enjoy my Android phone. The default keyboards on Android kind of suck. iOS is rather awesome to type on, as I could type really fast, fat finger a bunch of it, and still get what I was looking for. I type less with SwiftKey but I think I spend too much time managing my words. I guess it's a trade off.

myxomatosis said,
iOS feels very dated and is laking MANY basic features. It won't get better… Really Apple? You won't do anything? You won't fight Android? Where's your innovation?
The one who was master of buying innovation and selling it as their own has been away for a bit now.. Apple never did any true innovation themselves, virtually all of it was bought and 'appleized'.

myxomatosis said,
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Sounded like I did, right before I did the latest Jail Break. IntellScreenX = problems solved for 90% of the stuff you listed.

Tech Greek said,

Sounded like I did, right before I did the latest Jail Break. IntellScreenX = problems solved for 90% of the stuff you listed.


You then have to wait for the iOS7 jailbreak to be available, which is essentially the problem with relying on jailbreaking for so many features.

Simon said,
What basic features are you missing?
Here I will list some for you. All smartphones with exception to Apple, allow for the PC/Mac to use the onboard flash drive as a Mass Storage device.

The reaosn Apple locked it down was 2 reasons. Reason one, other media players like the Windows Media Player and WinAmp for example, can also do media management. As long as they can see the storage, you can sync media back and forth. if APple left this open, then no one would use the god forsaken slow ass iTunes.

Number 2 - and open file system would also make things like jailbreaking easier, because you could just plug in your device, copy and executable to the file system and run it or even install a patch firmware much easily.

It would also make it easier to add features to the iPhone by simply installing better drivers. Example, one NATIVE basic feature of Bluetooth is being able to transfer any file type over the BT connection. Apple prevents any file because people would transfer music to phone device to another without paying for it. And again, Apple can't have such.

Another basic function? How about being able to put the icosn where u want them, instead 0of being force to put them in a certain location. Suppose I wanted a screen where I just want 4 icons on the bottom row...cant do it on iPhone.

Widgets are also basic funtions. They basoically show you new info received to an installed apps, without opening the app. So social networking widgets are very desirable. However even if you jailbreak an iPhone and add them the OS is so limited because the apps are forced to never use more than 50% of avail RAM. So if you say have 10 screens with nothing but widgets, the phone becomes slow as widgets are memory resident and Apple's OS forces a policy where if you open another app and it will take more than 1/2 the RAM other apps have to be frozen. This actually forces some widgets to not work until you clear the RAM.

These are basuc functiosn most people do with their phones, that you cant do with an iPhone.

Which is the main reaosn Samsung is beating even other Android OEM's because they support allof that plus, expandible storage which the others OEM's dont now, largher devices, more features even if they are gimmicky. I have [progressive gimmicks than none at all yet the phone cost more.

@Leo said,

Bullcrap like widgets and skinning.
You are aware that iPhone is the ONLY phone that offers no type of glance and go functionality...right?

Even Windows Phone offers glance and go for social netwrks like Facebook and Twitter. Apple does not. I mean look how long it too Apple to allow for just allowing a wallpaper, something so simple that even cheap flip phones had since the mid 90's. How can you claim you have the better device, when you device cant even do the basic things fold that are 10 years older can do?

Simon said,
What basic features are you missing?
How about being able to attach any file to an email, not just vids or pictures. Oh and do the attaching from inside the email itself. Not going to the file and choosing an option to attach. That's is backwards. Even tho u can do it that way on a PC, most people open their email client first and then choose the attachement..or copy paste the attachment which again, Android supports, iOS doesnt unless its a photo...LAME!

@Leo said,

Nah, it was a half attempt to troll. Still, wouldn't replace my iPhone for an Android for several reasons, but since 4.0, Android is not a bad operating system.
You mean since 2.2. Which iOS didnt even get better until 3.x.

TechieXP said,
You mean since 2.2. Which iOS didnt even get better until 3.x.

Actually the first useful iOS was 4.0 as well.

Microsoft went with a bold new "flat design" for Windows Phone back in November 2010. Google recently overhauled the UI for Android in 2011 (Holo) and now, Apple might follow suit. Actually, I think Microsoft's Metro design language started back in 2007 with the first Zune (or even earlier if you consider Windows Media Centre to be proto-Metro).

Anyway, I'm glad Apple is going for a flatter design. It just makes sense to have something that looks great, but not flashy with metallic brushes and shine effects.

I really enjoy my iPhone.. It is very stable.. but COME ON apple, get with the damn program! I should at least be able to easily to place a call from a text message! They really need to revamp their iOS.. if not.. I am going to test out the Ubuntu phone on a Nexus..

You can place a call from a text message.

Tap the status bar to scroll to the top of the conversation and there will be a "Call" button.

Fus10n said,
I really enjoy my iPhone.. It is very stable.. but COME ON apple, get with the damn program! I should at least be able to easily to place a call from a text message! They really need to revamp their iOS.. if not.. I am going to test out the Ubuntu phone on a Nexus..

Really? you can't click a phone number in a text? I mean if a phone number is in a text will it underline it and let you tap to call that number?

yet all other phones can do this, heck my siemens c35 did it, that one was introduced in 1999 (i had to google it)
Strange feature to skip on implementation.

Yeah, you have scroll all the way up.. if you have 1000 text with someone is pretty damn annoying.

Secondly, on Android you just have to swipe your finger on the message to call or reply..

Stetson said,
You can place a call from a text message.

Tap the status bar to scroll to the top of the conversation and there will be a "Call" button.

to much work. With my phone if I am in a text message and I decide I want to call, I just raise the phone ot my face and it autmatically places the call. And yes there is also a phone icon on the screen I could press...but doing the motion is BETTER.

Such a feature on the iPhone would be so cool. But see Apple doesnt believe in cool useful features. I mean they thought Siri was cool. LOL

Fus10n said,
Yeah, you have scroll all the way up.. if you have 1000 text with someone is pretty damn annoying.

Secondly, on Android you just have to swipe your finger on the message to call or reply..

If you tap the title bar on top, it scrolls to the top for you.
But yeah, just raising the phone to your ear to call would be a nice touch they should add.

Genuine question here...

How does the phone now how high it has been raised? If this a feature of the gyrometer? Just thinking you could lift the phone up mid text for some other reason and it would start phoning the person, which of course would be annoying.

I was not aware of that.. Thanks man.. but still.. it could be revamped.. I have owned 10+ android phones (no joke) loved the way you can move around.. but I always wanted to put custom roms on it and didn't have self control and ended up spending more time messing with my phone than using it.. Also caused a lot of issues.. but.. I might get a Nexus soon or a GS4..

Fus10n said,
Yeah, you have scroll all the way up.. if you have 1000 text with someone is pretty damn annoying.

Secondly, on Android you just have to swipe your finger on the message to call or reply..

Tapping the status bar to scroll to the top is a pretty universal thing in iOS.

ShareShiz said,
Siri wasn't and isn't cool at all.

It's not meant to be cool... It's meant to make tasks quicker.
I don't use Siri often, but making calls, texts, getting directions, and changing music is a hell of a lot quicker and easier. Especially when I'm driving, I don't have to look at the screen at all.

Nobody ever said it was the greatest thing ever, but it definitely works well for what it's made for.

A new design is welcome, but being conservative is FAR from what they need to be doing. I mean, yes, they should take their time and make sure whatever they introduce works properly, but iOS users have been sitting in the cold waiting for something new. They will NOT be happy about this, I feel.

Bleh.

I'm really, really disappointed to hear this as well. Though I agree that most people love iOS for its simplicity, at least an option for a more "advanced mode" or something like that for the power users would be cool

Sigh, guess I got excited over iOS7 for nothing then. Changes probably something like the latest iTunes (skinning changes only)

Neh. Their marketing team will convince everyone it is the coolest, fastest, to die for and if you don't buy it you're dumb and wear bad brown suits.

Major Plonquer said,
My thinking exactly. People don't buy phones to be cool. People only buy iPhones to be cool.

I make what I use cool, not the other way around. At least this should be people mindset...

rippleman said,
@Sotto_Zero, if you think people buy a phone to be cool, you need more help then most.
Well truth be told, yes there are people who buy certain products to be cool. Just like there are people who wiull buy the Galaxy S4 just to get the new features. If you look at the recent posts on Google+ about the SG4, one guy said right there, he will buy the phones because of the new features.

Yes theer are countless people who buy APple products fof the cool factor. Yet those same zombies as I have seen go googoogaagaa when they see someone bring somethign better to the table. For example, by my office which is near 2 college campus', most fo the stiudents have their 13" Macbooks as schools are able to still get the old ones that are made of "plastic"...remember those? As I stood in line waiting for my coffee, a friend of theirs walked in with his new Samsung Series 9 laptop and it was black. He was excited because he just got it, and all his friends were all over him as he pulled it out the box. The girls eyes were as big as silver dollars. And they were all like oooo I wish my computer could do that.

I see the same happen with phones. I had plenty of people ask me when I take out my phone is it the Galaxy S 3. I say no this is the Note 2. I get asked what is the difference and I tell them hinestly, not much. Other than size, and the S-Pen both devices are virtually identical. But I let them know I preferred the Note and I show them what the S-Pen can do. You should see them as they slowly put there iPhones back into their pocket. One lady told me, she didnt know phones could even do that. I even explained ot her that the GS3 and the GN2 both have the same camera as the iPhone 4S/5 and look what I can do with mine. I showed her the settings and how I am not force to take picks at full resolution and how I get other options similar to what is found on many stand-alone digital shooters. She asked me how much the phone was on retail and i said its $699 at most carriers and at Best Buy. She said she paid $799 for her 32GB iPhone. I explain, well thsi phone comes standard with 16GB, but I added my own 64GB for only $55 and i showed her my receipt from Amazon. I asked her why does she have an iPhone and she said because it was the popular thing to buy and that she didnt do any research before buying it. She just bought what everyone else had. LAME! While an iFan such as yourself will claim this is stereotypical and that all of you are not like that, you would inj fact be speaking the truth. What you choose to ignore is factually, more than 1/2 of iPhone owners are just like her.

They buy whatever they see other with or what is most populkar, what matches their shoes or purse or favorite dress and coat. They dont compare phone cost, or features. I watch people at Apple store or other phone stores. They look at a couple screen, they press a few icons, they look at the style and they call the floor person ready to purchase. They dont ask about what the phone can do, or how to work some features...nothing. I watch the teens just want an iPhone simply because it is "cool" which is the EXACT words I have heard many of them use.

Apple has taught them that iPhone is the phone to get and whatever reason you come up with us purely acceptable. Lots of people buy products of APple because if the cool factor. How do I know? Because I bought an iPhone 4 for 2 reasons. I had been watching the iPhone since the 3GS model which I liked because it was "cool", but the 4 was cooler. I bought the 4S because admittled I thought Siri was also "cool". I didnt buy the iPhone cause i needed it as I was happy with my Droid Incredible. But the iPhone felt cool. I like how it felt cool in my hand. I liked when I took my phone out I was oin the mist of other coworkers who also had iPhones. But then I bought the GS3 and I havent looked back since. Now I have a Note 2. I liek them because I dont care about being cool, or social status. I got them because i got sick of jeailbreaking my iPhone because i like changing my UI icones to different colors wnd styles. I got tired of not being able to use fonts I wanted or have live animation and widgets where I dont have to launch apps. I got tiredof plugging in my device wanting to transfer my own peson doc files without having to install some lame wifi app to do it. I got tired of not being able to transfer files to friends over BT and I got ****ed when APple stated that the iPhone 5 will not longer support iPod Out which was important to me as one of the features if my car ius that it has a USB conenction to the stero that reads my iPod/Iphone when I plug it in and I can operate my music and see my videos on the screen. After making a sizable investment inluding buy 2 phones, 4 iPad's and a Macbook, I decided it is time to move to much better stuff. I am one ex-fan who will never return to buying limited expensive products, for the lamest reasons like plastic and its too big.