YouTube app woes continue for Windows Phone users

The YouTube app for Windows Phone developed by Microsoft has been updated to once again use the HTML5-based mobile website to watch videos, the latest stage in the troubled development of the app.

Microsoft first launched its native YouTube app for Windows Phone 8 in May to provide a high-quality video viewing experience to users of their platform since Google didn't have plans to support Windows Phone. However, Google sent a "cease and desist" letter for removal of the in-house app from the Windows Phone Store. The app was relaunched once again with some changes, but the new app also didn't comply with Google's advertising policies and was ordered to be taken down.

It was reported that Microsoft and Google were working together on releasing the YouTube app back in May. Now, it seems that Microsoft has given up the effort to please Google and reverted to a basic app which accesses YouTube's mobile website and opens videos as browser links instead of native playback. The updated app does not provide any additional functionality than the website and merely acts as a shortcut from the app list. It doesn't look like there will be a YouTube app that uses Google's APIs in the near future and users will need to rely on alternatives.

Source: WPCentral | Image via Microsoft

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Google really are the new Evil.

Maybe Microsoft should look at all the things Google do on the Windows platform and start blocking them.

The website works just fine. Also, as others have mentioned; Metrotube is surprisingly a better player than any 'official' YouTube App on any platform.

A lot of people are starting to tire of the increase in Ads on Youtube and are posting on Vimeo and other services. Which is why Google is rather myopic by picking now to stir up 'bad faith'.

I just don't understand Google's problem. Do they really feel that threatened by the WP platform? It can only hurt them as WP users will simply use other YT alternatives which can block ads and allow offline viewing etc. If they think WP users are all suddenly going to drop the platform because of this, they are mistaken. This will only increase the adoption of Vimeo and others.

I do think that Microsoft made a mistake in creating the native quality version of the app in the first place - they should just concentrate on the core OS and responding to the gaps in feature parity which will help bring more switchers and in turn provide more reasons for other official apps to be created.

Edited by CtrlShift, Oct 8 2013, 10:44am :

I believe the reason Google is being so douchey with the WP You Tube app is as a consequence of the scroogled ad campaign. As a result end users are the losers.

thing is, ms doesn't hurt google ecosystem users, while google hurts ms ecosystem users (who are their own users too)

this they only dare to do 'cos wp doesn't have that much of a market share - if wp would be at ios' share they'd bend over and receive any kind of gift in the butt just to keep the data flowing in
once wp reaches double digits they'll do just that

FloatingFatMan said,
Because of course, demanding money with menaces from every Android OEM doesn't hurt the consumers, riiiiight.

google does not provide patent protection for oems - something that microsoft does - and mentioned oems were infringing patents; microsoft made agreements with these companies to deal with patent infringement

corporations have cross licence agreements, microsoft with apple, intel with amd and so on - its googles' choice that they think of themselfes as above law and above the competition; however LEGALLY they cannot be made responsible for not providing patent protection; hence the agreement with oems

sad to say but google is just a western corporate version of the chinese copymachine

A lot of people here hating on Google. Tell you what, why don't some of you write a 3rd party app that accesses one of Microsoft's services. Then make it ad-free and try to publish it using the exact same trademarked name as Microsoft's own service and let us know how long it takes for Microsoft to step on you.

yeah and when trying to publish a non-ad free version they witheld the tools neccesary for it - stop bathing these worms, they are simply punching the competition, not looking after their ecosystem

but hey, i am and always been happy with the mobile youtube site, no ads for me, no penny for google - luckily i dont need any more of their ad-ridden crap and theres no being on heaven and earth that can make me register a google account anyway

i would like you to give an example of a microsoft service that is available for self and one or more competitor but not for a specific competing company

and please dont quote something from 1990

Why would you want to make a 3rd party app, when Microsoft has already built all the apps themselves for iOS and Android. This is a pretty silly comment.

that's the kind of thing makes me want to avoid Google,
Microsoft has I think moved away from this kind of thinking,
personally am trying to avoid Google products as much as possible for last 2 years
think mostly its productive in search where Bing is catching up pretty fast
the only thing which I think is better offering from Google is their browser Chrome's overall ease of use.

Yes, you choose the option of using the mobile site. You also have the option of an official app. Windows Phone users deserve the same.

If you don't agree with this behaviour, just don't use Google services.
I flushed everything. No more Google for me.

What a bunch of idiots.

Can someone please enlighten me with a really good and valid excuse as to why Google would be scared of Windows Phone?

Dont think it is a matter of Google being scared of WP. More so that Google is starting to act like one of the big boys and at times, are going crazy. And MS is pushing back and now both sides are acting like idiots.

techbeck said,
Dont think it is a matter of Google being scared of WP. More so that Google is starting to act like one of the big boys and at times, are going crazy. And MS is pushing back and now both sides are acting like idiots.

Both sides? Really?

When Microsoft denies Google's crap to be Win8 certified or rips all their products off Android, then you can claim it is 'Both Sides'.

Right now, Microsoft is overly supportive of Android with their products.

Mobius Enigma said,

Both sides? Really?

When MS claims to also be working with Google and then goes behind their backs and releases an app without Google's approval...yes, both sides. Takes 2 to fight. Only the blind thing that one side is to blame.

stevan said,
Can someone please enlighten me with a really good and valid excuse as to why Google would be scared of Windows Phone?

I think its more that Google is exercising power over Microsoft - i.e., they have control over something Microsoft needs/desires. It's as though someone in Google has bitter memories of Microsoft exerting power in its pre-antitrust days and is now returning the gesture. On a more business rational perspective, people seem to be using services more than platforms. Therefore, if Google makes their services more limited or difficult to use on the Microsoft platform, people will simply switch platforms in order to keep using Google's services.

Microsoft need to get some guts and start retaliating against google. They seem to be able to get away with doing anything they like and everyone just gives them a pass so this kind of anti-competitive behavior will never be questioned by anyone. Time to strike back!

I can understand that it's nice, maybe even comforting, to have an official brand-name app available on your device, even if there are great third-party alternatives. Even if some of those alternatives are actually better (the dullards who still won't stop whining about Instagram have made that excruciatingly clear). But, in this case, we have MetroTube. Screw Google (in this context; I'm otherwise still a big fan), use MetroTube.

Windows Phone is growing fast. Google is well aware that while iPhone may be the bigger party in the US right now it is going nowhere fast and for the rest of the world It's more than likely within a year WP will have caught up with if not overtaken iPhone and the US can only follow after that. Apple may have the cash right now, but Microsoft is the stronger company by a long shot.

I think Microsoft should block all google services on every windows versions and say “Your service (NAME HERE) does not comply with Microsoft privacy guidelines”.
Since that's pretty much what google is doing to Microsoft.

Nah, I like how MS has been the adult in this stupid ****ing match by still producing apps for android and its users (skydrive, one note, xbox music, cross platform games, etc), even though Google is purposefully going out of its way to harm WP8 customers in their fued with MS.

EvilAstroboy said,
Go ahead and LOL at me, but I see Google scared of Windows Phone

I don't LOL at people's opinions, but if that was true I'd think they would be blocking every Youtube app on WP (like Metrotube) and not just the Youtube branded version distributed by MS.

Hobbled? Is that the spin now? Not only are we all like, "Google is scared of Windows Phone 8," but we're also trying to make the iPhone seem it's gimped because of some 1980s lock in, when in reality its sales are up, and it alone generates more revenue than all of Microsoft? What's next, are you going to tell us Exxon Mobil is getting around on crutches? The RDF is strong with this one...

Licensed out software has historically always won over locking to hardware. The two mobile operating systems that do that are Android and Windows Phone. It's the same reason the Mac was popular for 6 or 7 years until it got pounded by Windows.

Hope everyone considers Googles poor behavior here next time your phone contract is up or you are eyeing an Android device.. Google is not above anti-competitive practices. Sure back in the late 90s MS had a similar attitude(bundling IE.. killing Netscape) but at least MS never prevented any software from being developed for its OS

Switched from using any Google service to alternatives only recently, the only one of their services I use is YouTube(because there is no alternative), Recommend Hyper for YouTube on Win8

dingl_ said,
Hope everyone considers Googles poor behavior here next time your phone contract is up or you are eyeing an Android device.. Google is not above anti-competitive practices. Sure back in the late 90s MS had a similar attitude(bundling IE.. killing Netscape) but at least MS never prevented any software from being developed for its OS

Switched from using any Google service to alternatives only recently, the only one of their services I use is YouTube(because there is no alternative), Recommend Hyper for YouTube on Win8

Remember Word Perfect?

What about it? MS did not stop Novell from continuing to develop for Windows.. " A Windows version of WordPerfect was not introduced until nearly two years after Windows 3.0, and was met with poor reviews" you know the saying, early bird catches the worm.. What did Novell expect? for MS to stop innovating their OS and abide by Novells timeline Ha

"This was important to Windows 95 software purchasers as Microsoft set standards for application design, behavior, and interaction with the operating system. To make matters worse, the original release of WordPerfect 7 was incompatible with Windows NT, hindering its adoption in academia. The "NT Enabled" version of WordPerfect 7, which Corel considered to be Service Pack 2, was not available until Q1-1997" Blaming their ****ty code on a certified Logo? still no excuse for the development time on an NT version, Wordperfect died at the hands of its developers and management

Russell Green said,
Remember Word Perfect?

Oh yeah, I remember Word Perfect. Then I used Word, and never thought about it again. Why are you bringing that up though? They were just too slow to develop a stable application.

Proven innocent in a court of law is fair enough. There's no suggestion Google is doing anything illegal right now is there? Merely pointing out both are as bad as each other. Microsoft made some shady moves back then to try and cripple WordPerfect.

techbeck said,
Neither MS or Google are innocent here

In which case is MS guilty 'here'? In general - MS has done some bad stuff. But in my opinion this one is all on google. They didn't want to release an app. So MSnoffered to build one for them. They first approved and latr added unreasonable demands. that arent in place for Android or iOS. Basically asking MS to develop something new that they then could steal. Google is screwing customers who enjoy Youtube. For them (at least if you dont know about primetube or metrotube) WP is an unattractive offer.

techbeck said,
Neither MS or Google are innocent here

one's clearly more innocent than the other. Google's rules are arbitrary.. and their enforcement is even more arbitrary.

Russell Green said,

Remember Word Perfect?

Yep, and remember Microsoft begging WordPerfect to develop a Windows 3.0 version of their popular 5.1 DOS software.

Microsoft even offered free developers and assistance, and WordPerfect told Microsoft to essentially 'F' off.

Microsoft wasn't ready for Word for Windows, and had to move up the schedule with a patched version that would run on Windows 3.0 as it did not boot to real mode by default, which the prior version of Word required.

I also remember WordPefect for Windows shipping with a custom printer engine that bypassed Window's printer drivers and rendering engine. It was a horrific demonstration of how NOT to code software as it crashed so much, they implemented their first version of AutoSave.

I also remember Novell buying WordPefect and then complaining in the Anti-Trust that MS withheld APIs from them, and when that failed, as APIs could be looked up in the DLLs with freaking Notepad; they went on to claim that Microsoft purposely removed the early namespace features for 'creating' namespaces in Windows 95 and it hurt WordPerfect development. (Which WP should NEVER have been creating their own FS Namespace in the first freaking place; besides the fact they never told MS they were using the feature as the court documents show.)

So ya, I remember Wordperfect, you have any other cute but inaccurate examples to offer?

(Sorry for the rant, but I REALLY get tired of the poor WordPefect or poor Lotus crap, after watching them screw themselves and then use inane excuses for their software running like crap.)

I was a fan of android but after this act I will never purchase google product, never. even for youtube I will stick with my ad free apps for using youtube to hurt google. I recommend the same thing. google open-ness is over.
by the way, who remembers google put ads on chrome browser for a couple of days? if they dominate the market they will will put ads on their spy browser indefinitely.
Use Firefox, use windows, use Linux, what ever but not android.

techbeck said,
Neither MS or Google are innocent here

Yes but remember, google is the one who claim open-ness, open development and use this title to drag developers, but at the same time exploiting the name and people. Microsoft is selling software (and some hardware) but google is advertising company, collect information. so MS users are customers but google's users are product

trojan_market said,

Yes but remember, google is the one who claim open-ness, open development and use this title to drag developers, but at the same time exploiting the name and people. Microsoft is selling software (and some hardware) but google is advertising company, collect information. so MS users are customers but google's users are product

And how many times have other companies said something and did something else. This is nothing new.

Funny people saying "I will never buy a google product again because they did this or that". Then go on using other companies products that have been known to do the same things before. I dont like everything Google is doing and I had issues with MS a lot several years ago. However, I never once said i would stop using said companies products because lets face it, if I stopped using a product because of what a companies has done or is doing, there wouldnt be anything left for me to use.

But something because it is what you prefer and what works for you. What I do and I never have been steered wrong.

The only people with "YouTube woes" are journalists who never use Windows Phones and for some reason think you need an official Google YT app filled with ads to have a good YT experience.

MetroTube plus a million other YouTube apps are excellent and video-ad free.