Is this a good deal?

[azz0r_wugg]

Hello! I really want some solid PC hardware to use for gaming, I'm not looking to do a new build myself - ideally I'd like to be able to play PC games with a rock solid framerate and no issues.

 

I found this on ebuyer that seems like a good deal: http://www.ebuyer.com/770928-pc-specialist-vanquish-gamer-pro-vr-ii-gaming-pc-pcs-d1165109

 

Thoughts or alternate suggestions? (aside from building myself)

[Dick Montage]

"Nothing special" was my quick response.

[dipsylalapo Supervisor]

It depends on the games that you're looking at to get "rock solid frame rate". If you're playing something like Rocket League then it may be overkill, but for something more demanding, it's more than adequate. 

[Astra.Xtreme]

Any reason you don't want to build it yourself?  You'll be able to get more for your money, if you do.

 

Regarding that PC, an i7 is unnecessary for gaming.  An i5 would be cheaper and get the same performance for gaming.

And personally I'd get a Samsung M.2 SSD.

 

So yeah, build it yourself.  It's easy, it's fun, it's less expensive.

[dipsylalapo Supervisor]

Also what Astra said. I was surprised at how easy it is to build your own. It's getting easier and easier and is almost fool proof....I think

[Mindovermaster Moderator]

11 minutes ago, dipsylalapo said:

Also what Astra said. I was surprised at how easy it is to build your own. It's getting easier and easier and is almost fool proof....I think

Well, as long as you remember the power. I've seen it 100 times, people forget the 4/8 pin connector.

[azz0r_wugg]

Thanks for the replies.

 

I haven't built a PC in 15 years, I'm sure a lot has changed, including my time & patience  

[Mindovermaster Moderator]

36 minutes ago, azz0r_wugg said:

Thanks for the replies.

 

I haven't built a PC in 15 years, I'm sure a lot has changed, including my time & patience  

Technically, no. It's gotten easier if anything.

[wakjak]

i've got basically the same PC, only the 6700k instead of the 7700k, and I haven't had any new games give me any trouble. And I paid about the same price and built it myself, so You can definitely get it cheaper if you build that.

Edited July 31, 2017 by wakjak

[sc302 Veteran]

While building yourself a rig may cost a little less, I wouldn't recommend it unless you really wanted to do it.  I helped my old boss put together the parts for his build, he ordered everything but when it came down to it had no patience for it.  I ended up putting everything together and giving him a turn key build.  While he was happy with it, he wouldn't build it himself.  IMO the cost savings just isn't there, for penny pinchers sure you may save 1-200, but don't kid yourself if you think you are saving more than that on a computer that is under 1000.  While 100 is 100, it really isn't all that much when considering all you have to do is unbox and plug in...that is a considerable time savings there vs hours putting together a computer and what could be more hours of troubleshooting if it isn't working right (tightening the processor heat sink down too tight on asus mother boards that will cause a memory error for example). 

 

Not price shopping or really looking hard at finding the best deals for every part, new egg comes up with total cost to be about 1500...which puts that around £1136....so he is paying another  £77 to have it built and turn key?  So much cost savings there...oh and one place to call for warranty support if a warranty every had to be used, not exactly a big cost savings in my eyes.  Sure you could save a little more by getting a lower end processor, cheaper memory, cheaper power supply, cheaper case, etc...but apples to apples 1136 compared to 1213, not saving a whole lot to have a turn key rig....maybe 2 tanks of gas???

[azz0r_wugg]

17 hours ago, sc302 said:

While building yourself a rig may cost a little less, I wouldn't recommend it unless you really wanted to do it.  I helped my old boss put together the parts for his build, he ordered everything but when it came down to it had no patience for it.  I ended up putting everything together and giving him a turn key build.  While he was happy with it, he wouldn't build it himself.  IMO the cost savings just isn't there, for penny pinchers sure you may save 1-200, but don't kid yourself if you think you are saving more than that on a computer that is under 1000.  While 100 is 100, it really isn't all that much when considering all you have to do is unbox and plug in...that is a considerable time savings there vs hours putting together a computer and what could be more hours of troubleshooting if it isn't working right (tightening the processor heat sink down too tight on asus mother boards that will cause a memory error for example). 

 

Not price shopping or really looking hard at finding the best deals for every part, new egg comes up with total cost to be about 1500...which puts that around £1136....so he is paying another  £77 to have it built and turn key?  So much cost savings there...oh and one place to call for warranty support if a warranty every had to be used, not exactly a big cost savings in my eyes.  Sure you could save a little more by getting a lower end processor, cheaper memory, cheaper power supply, cheaper case, etc...but apples to apples 1136 compared to 1213, not saving a whole lot to have a turn key rig....maybe 2 tanks of gas???

This was basically my mindset and I appreciate someone putting it down into words

 

I expected to be a good 10-20% premium on top by not building it myself, I really wanted to check that this pre-built machine wasnt outrageously overpriced as I've been out the PC market for so long.

[adrynalyne]

19 hours ago, azz0r_wugg said:

Thanks for the replies.

 

I haven't built a PC in 15 years, I'm sure a lot has changed, including my time & patience  

It hasn’t. Well, in regards to assembling one. 

[SoCalRox]

On 7/31/2017 at 11:53 AM, Astra.Xtreme said:

Regarding that PC, an i7 is unnecessary for gaming.  An i5 would be cheaper and get the same performance for gaming.

Not being a gamer, this struck me as an interesting comment. I *think* I know why, but I'm curious as to why you think this. No disagreement- only knowledge seeking.

[Luc2k]

51 minutes ago, SoCalRox said:

Not being a gamer, this struck me as an interesting comment. I *think* I know why, but I'm curious as to why you think this. No disagreement- only knowledge seeking.

Not much of a difference with how badly optimised games are in general. Even if that weren't the case, the money from the price difference would offer a better result if spent on the GPU.

[sc302 Veteran]

Well there is a bit of a difference but when gaming it is barely noticeable. Gaming has more load on the video card than the processor...comparetivley speaking between i5 and i7. 

 

http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-vs-core-i7-6700k-cpu-performance-tests/

[Astra.Xtreme]

2 hours ago, SoCalRox said:

Not being a gamer, this struck me as an interesting comment. I *think* I know why, but I'm curious as to why you think this. No disagreement- only knowledge seeking.

Well the CPU isn't the bottleneck, so since most games are heavily reliant on the GPU, it will be basically zero difference in performance.

Really the only reason to get an i7 is if you're doing media encoding or have an infatuation with benchmarks.

 

https://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=3948

 

So yeah, don't waste the money and put it into what matters, which is a good SSD and quality GPU.

[SoCalRox]

Thanx, Luc and Astra!

[Mockingbird]

I would buy this:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£273.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£79.97 @ CCL Computers) 
Memory: *Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£119.50 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Storage: *Corsair - Force LE 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£71.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: *Toshiba - 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£37.95 @ Eclipse Computers) 
Video Card: *Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Turbo OC Video Card  (£466.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£51.32 @ Novatech) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£64.42 @ CCL Computers) 
Total: £1166.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-05 18:06 BST+0100

[adrynalyne]

1 hour ago, Mockingbird said:

I would buy this:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£273.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£79.97 @ CCL Computers) 
Memory: *Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£119.50 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Storage: *Corsair - Force LE 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£71.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: *Toshiba - 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£37.95 @ Eclipse Computers) 
Video Card: *Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Turbo OC Video Card  (£466.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£51.32 @ Novatech) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£64.42 @ CCL Computers) 
Total: £1166.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-05 18:06 BST+0100

Poster already said they didn’t want to build. 

[sc302 Veteran]

Yep and not that much cheaper than the pre assembled and ready to go one.  If you were to include the windows OS, the price difference further erodes.  

[Sir Topham Hatt]

I wonder if the option not to self-build is down to laziness?

Not calling the OP lazy, hey if I can have more free time I'd love it!

 

But I self build for the fun and knowledge.  Only built 3 PC's so far so maybe I haven't got to the stage of "can't be bothered" yet.

I guess it depends on the self-build though.  As someone already said, if you use cheaper RAM or a PSU, the savings can mount up to being able to afford the next GPU up.  But then when I have looked at PC's, I don't particularly set a budget.  I just aim for £700 - £900 - usually cheaper as between MK1 and MK2 computers, I recycled a fair amount.

[sc302 Veteran]

Understand that I have built probably a dozen pc's in my time.  At work, I have imaged thousands. 

 

The time it takes to put everything together neatly and install an os with whatever drivers is a lot.  Understand I know how to build a computer, but also understand that I have 3 children that enjoy my time.  Lets say that it takes a few hours to put a computer together and it takes a few more hours to install an os with the right drivers and updates.  Lets take a step and say that the average person has not scripted this either or has an image that they can apply on any hardware with the right os of their choosing.  It isn't a fast slap it together setup and it can't be done in an afternoon.  It takes time to get it right, it takes time to work any bugs out. 

 

I would much rather go to a custom computer builder and give them a few extra (if I am buying all at once) to have a completely turn key rig than to spend hours of my precious time that I can give to others which are more fulfilling than building a computer.  Just because I can, doesn't mean that I want to anymore.  Laziness has nothing to do with it for me....this is also why I spend and extra 10-20 to have a dealer change my oil, I have better things to do with my time than waste it to save a few dollars....my time is far more valuable than the few pennies an hour I will save in the long run...basically if it doesn't return a mean of $120 an hour, it isn't worth it to me.  Figure out what your time is worth, then figure out if what you are doing is really saving you anything vs putting your time elsewhere where you can either really learn from it or really enjoy your time you put into it.  What is your time worth to you?  Put a dollar figure on it, then apply it to whatever you are doing and see if the return is justified...only you can give yourself that answer...I have put a dollar figure on my time of when it becomes worth it for me, my time is far more valuable than most things ever will be.

 

[Steven P. Administrators]

On 8/4/2017 at 3:57 PM, Luc2k said:

Not much of a difference with how badly optimised games are in general. Even if that weren't the case, the money from the price difference would offer a better result if spent on the GPU.

Is there anywhere local where you can order a custom build? Some retailers let you custom build for maybe 100 quid or thereabouts, and you'll get standard warranty/guarantee on top. That way you can choose exactly what you want and not have the risk of breaking anything. 

[needsata]

On 7/31/2017 at 10:12 AM, azz0r_wugg said:

Hello! I really want some solid PC hardware to use for gaming, I'm not looking to do a new build myself - ideally I'd like to be able to play PC games with a rock solid framerate and no issues.

 

I found this on ebuyer that seems like a good deal: http://www.ebuyer.com/770928-pc-specialist-vanquish-gamer-pro-vr-ii-gaming-pc-pcs-d1165109

 

Thoughts or alternate suggestions? (aside from building myself)

Hey there,

 

I am looking at VERY similar configuration myself right now and I think around the same price-point USD. I realize everyone pushes for people to build their own, but I myself would like some honest opinions from people on some of the pre-built options out there.

 

Like what they would choose if they were to go that route. Which manufacturer, which model, maybe there is a good deal right now they can spot.