parimal_kumar Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Actually, if I remember correctly people have tried "The Bible Code" on other books with very similar results, almost all of them seeming to predict events that have occurred. There's a short snippet about it in "The Code Book" by Simon Singh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougkinzinger Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Watched it on the History channel. Anyone else watch? I thought it was pretty interesting the way its predicted past and future events like 9/11 and the Columbia shuttle accident.Future predictions 2010 - another earthquake in LA 2012 - comet hits earth Dunno whether to believe it or not, but it was still interesting to me. I figure if it was total bull it wouldn't air on History channel. In any case, the future isn't written in stone. This bible code is mathematicly proven by all the worlds top mathmaticians, I belive the only reason for the Bible is to hide these codes. I do not believe any of the story inside is real. Nope, you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saadu Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Is there an official site to Mayan Culture or Philosophy or Calander? I googled it and all i get it Joe's Heaven in Mayan's Society or Bob's Heal Yourself the Mayan way... crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentientPC Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 (edited) Hey all...long time lurker :D. Great article debunking this at http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html, with a follow-up at http://www.csicop.org/si/9803/bible-code.html. At least he did his own research, where he shows just how ridiculous this is. Like mentioned above, several examples of these "codes" turn up in several pieces of text. More at http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html. Things that make you say hmm... :wacko: Edited September 14, 2003 by SentientPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destian Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Wasn't the Bible code proven to be false. It all comes down to the frequency of letters in the alphabet. Given a large enough amount of text the same patterns appear. The same passages/predictions which appear in the Bible have also been found in texts like Moby Dick and War and Peace using the same method. Thank you. I was ready to lose my mind. The bible code is utter nonsense. If these things appeared in some specific pattern than maybe there would be some claim, but they don't, they appear in any pattern anyone can possibly find. Using this method it would be possible to find just about anything anyone wants to find including such things as "god is not real," "god is dead," etc, or variations of those statements. The "bible code" has never predicted anything that has since happened. Only past events, which people have found do to probability, which, as stated could be found multible times in any large book. Use your heads. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eth3l Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 All I have to say is : PI & Does it say anything about the return of Tupac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Watched it on the History channel. Anyone else watch? I thought it was pretty interesting the way its predicted past and future events like 9/11 and the Columbia shuttle accident.Future predictions 2010 - another earthquake in LA 2012 - comet hits earth Dunno whether to believe it or not, but it was still interesting to me. I figure if it was total bull it wouldn't air on History channel. In any case, the future isn't written in stone. This bible code is mathematicly proven by all the worlds top mathmaticians, I belive the only reason for the Bible is to hide these codes. I do not believe any of the story inside is real. Nope, you're wrong. Nope I'm right I have read many books on this over the years, the codes are so acurate in the way they are done that it cannot be by mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noll3095 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Is there an official site to Mayan Culture or Philosophy or Calander?I googled it and all i get it Joe's Heaven in Mayan's Society or Bob's Heal Yourself the Mayan way... crap. Well if you want to know about the calendar and when/why it ends in 2012 try: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-...G=Google+Search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ch1n3g0d Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Watched it on the History channel. Anyone else watch? I thought it was pretty interesting the way its predicted past and future events like 9/11 and the Columbia shuttle accident.Future predictions 2010 - another earthquake in LA 2012 - comet hits earth Dunno whether to believe it or not, but it was still interesting to me. I figure if it was total bull it wouldn't air on History channel. In any case, the future isn't written in stone. This bible code is mathematicly proven by all the worlds top mathmaticians, I belive the only reason for the Bible is to hide these codes. I do not believe any of the story inside is real. Nope, you're wrong. Nope I'm right I have read many books on this over the years, the codes are so acurate in the way they are done that it cannot be by mistake. No, Jason, you are wrong, this is totally psuedoscience, and an outright lie. There are tons of books to back this up, but they are wrong and written by people who are dillusional. This same "technique" has been applied to many books and yielded many predictions and statements, its just that the chances of making something out of the text is very very very high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Watched it on the History channel. Anyone else watch? I thought it was pretty interesting the way its predicted past and future events like 9/11 and the Columbia shuttle accident.Future predictions 2010 - another earthquake in LA 2012 - comet hits earth Dunno whether to believe it or not, but it was still interesting to me. I figure if it was total bull it wouldn't air on History channel. In any case, the future isn't written in stone. This bible code is mathematicly proven by all the worlds top mathmaticians, I belive the only reason for the Bible is to hide these codes. I do not believe any of the story inside is real. Nope, you're wrong. Nope I'm right I have read many books on this over the years, the codes are so acurate in the way they are done that it cannot be by mistake. No, Jason, you are wrong, this is totally psuedoscience, and an outright lie. There are tons of books to back this up, but they are wrong and written by people who are dillusional. This same "technique" has been applied to many books and yielded many predictions and statements, its just that the chances of making something out of the text is very very very high. Your comment won't influence me, some of the worlds top mathmatician's have confirmed that this code is real and the probability of it just appearing is virtually impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstx Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 2012 - comet hits earth Oh well...by that time NASA has nuclear defence systems and giant lasers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsgeek Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Dillusional eh? :hmmm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miran Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Not to mention that you can't prove this anyways. This isn't a code in the sense that it can be deciphered and certain patterns given to certain words, letters, or sentences. The "code" is simply a computer scanning text up, down, left, and right looking for words. Here is an excerpt from an excellent site that soundly puts the Bible code in its place: Skeptical Inquirer: Bible Code First, here is how it works: "Bible Code: The Book A new book entitled The Bible Code (Drosnin 1997) came out last June and has occupied the bestseller lists since then. It is written by journalist Michael Drosnin, who claims that the Hebrew Bible contains a very complex code that reveals events that took place thousands of years after the Bible was written. Drosnin contends that some foretold events later happened exactly as predicted. The book has been reviewed widely and has stimulated pieces in Newsweek and Time. Drosnin has also been making the rounds of the talk-show circuit, including the Oprah Winfrey Show in June. Time said that Warner has reportedly bought the movie rights (Van Biema 1997). Drosnin's technique is heavily based on that of Eliyahu Rips of Hebrew University in Israel, who published an article entitled "Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis" in the journal Statistical Science (Witztum, Rips, and Rosenburg 1994). Like Rips, Drosnin arranges the 304,805 Hebrew letters of the Bible into a large array. Spaces and punctuation marks are omitted, and words are run together one after another. A computer looks for matches to selected names or words by stepping to every nth letter in the array. One can go forward or backward; and for each value of "step distance," n, there are n different starting letters. Drosnin's match for "Yitzhak Rabin" had a step value n equal to 4,772. Both Rips and Drosnin work with the original Hebrew characters, which are said to have been given by God to Moses one character at a time, with no spaces or punctuation, just as they appear in "the code." The code is considered to exist only in the Hebrew Bible and not in translations or any other books. The code concept, however, can be easily demonstrated with English characters. Consider the following verse from the King James Version (KJV) of the Book of Genesis: 31:28 And hast not suffered me to kiss my sons and my daughters? thou hast now done foolishly in so doing. If you start at the R in "daughters," and skip over three letters to the O in "thou," and three more to the S in "hast," and so on, the hidden message "Roswell" is revealed! This message has a step value of 4, as shown in Figure 1." and you guys can read the middle part on the website - but here is the conclusion: "Conclusion The promoters of hidden-message claims say, "How could such amazing coincidences be the product of random chance?" I think the real question should be, "How could such coincidences not be the inevitable product of a huge sequence of trials on a large, essentially random database?" Once I learned how to navigate in puzzle-space, finding "incredible" predictions became a routine affair. I found "comet," "Hale," and "Bopp" linked in KJV Genesis, along with "forty" and "died," which could be interpreted as an obvious reference to Heaven's Gate. I found "Trinity," "Los Alamos," "atom," and "bomb" encoded together in Edwards, in a section containing references to "security," "test," and "anti-fascist." And I found "Hitler" linked to "Nazi" dozens of times in several books. When I set out to engineer a "hidden code" link of "code" and "bogus" in KJV Genesis, I was able to produce sixty closely linked pairs. And every single one of these pairs could fit inside a reasonably sized puzzle. The source of the mysterious "Bible code" has been revealed -- it's homo sapiens. Now somebody go tell Oprah. " I hope this informs the misinformed :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsgeek Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Give an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, the theory goes, and they will eventually produce prose the likes of Shakespeare. With neowin, I guess we have found that not to be true... :laugh: :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrack Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 I don't know enough about this bible code to really comment directly but, People find what they are looking for in this world. Even scientist, mathmaticians, and religious scholors. And I'll admit that there is a point where coincidence ends and really weird **** begins. But I think that rarely happens and in most cases is just optimistic thinking. (what was the point of this post again?) -Nic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Gotta love pseudo-science. :hmmm: I wouldn't call aligning letters of text bits over arbritary sized rectangles, and then looking for words that could be formed into a sentence, as science. More likely as bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrewthx Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 The Bible Code is a code without the key available.... like all codes until you have the key you can only get snipets of what it is really saying... it's cryptology. And some people do the research into the codes by hand.. no computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypercube Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Then, about the case of Moby Dick ... there were plently of phrases detected which made the original bible code presenter retract his comments [it was a deal]. Hebrew texts lack vowels so the decoder could insert vowels as needed, generating many texts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noll3095 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Humans often look for patterns and meaning in things which do not (necessarily) have them. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy, if you want something badly enough or are told it is true you often find a way to make it come true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicedreams Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Didn't you all know. The BIBLE is an Acronym. B.I.B.L.E. B.asic I.nstructions B.efore L.eaving E.arth Wu-Tang...Wu-Tang!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicedreams Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 And the BIBLE is not written from computers or anything. It was written by the 12 disciples (probably more) and then translated a hell of a lot of times and this is basically what it's come out to be. MESSED UP! Ever play that Telephone game back in elementary school where you say something to someone and then after telling 20 people the last person isn't saying exactly what was told from the first person? There is your relationship to the Bible. Same as History. I don't believe the history as we know it is the full truth of how it used to be. Like the history channel trying to say that Jesus had a brother and they found his bones. Did he have a tattoo saying he was Jesus' brother or something? And if they like are trying to say also that they found Jesus' bones. Umm...if I heard right, didn't he rise from the dead and NO ONE ever found his bones after that. I think religion and history are just like anything else. You can have one person change something and no one would ever know. It's just like in the industry and more than likely government. One person makes one change and it effects EVERYONE for the rest of eternity, unless someone finds out which doesn't happen much. I've been in business for a long time and have seen and made decision that have made HUGE differences when there was a better option, but didn't make that option, because it wasn't cost effective or some other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted September 14, 2003 Veteran Share Posted September 14, 2003 If you think the bible code is real, read this: http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsgeek Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 The Bible isn't even meant to be analyzed like crazy... When it was originally written, it didn't have verses or chapters... (i think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopper Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 heres a website about the end of the mayan calender 2012 http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danrarbc Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 And the BIBLE is not written from computers or anything. It was written by the 12 disciples (probably more) and then translated a hell of a lot of times and this is basically what it's come out to be. MESSED UP!Ever play that Telephone game back in elementary school where you say something to someone and then after telling 20 people the last person isn't saying exactly what was told from the first person? There is your relationship to the Bible. Same as History. I don't believe the history as we know it is the full truth of how it used to be. Like the history channel trying to say that Jesus had a brother and they found his bones. Did he have a tattoo saying he was Jesus' brother or something? And if they like are trying to say also that they found Jesus' bones. Umm...if I heard right, didn't he rise from the dead and NO ONE ever found his bones after that. Most of the scolars trying to prove the Bible wrong have given up on the copy of a copy of a copy arguement. As older and older manuscripts have been they've been finding that they are the same as what we have today. The oldest we know of now are the Dead Sea scrolls. Now they stick to trying to prove the content itself wrong, you'd be smart to follow. If they can't prove the translation and copies to be inaccurate, and they have access to all the old manuscripts you dont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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