Hardcore Til I Die Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Very true, he should have kicked the robbers ass at the place of the crime. But non-the-less: I do not feel sorry for the outcome in any way, I do believe in eye for an eye, as I believe it would eventually stop crime. Killing someone is a completely different league to robbing someone. If the old man ran him down and broke the robber's leg, then took his money back... THAT would be an eye for an eye, but to kill him? That's going too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollick2 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 pretty sure he put himself in danger in ww2 also since he was a 75 year old retired marine. You must not really be "Hardcore till i die" He couldn't have possibly have served in WW2. :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo158 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Yes. What does that have to do with anything? :p I mention it because if I was in this guys position I'd have severely injured/killed him the moment he shoved the gun in my face. A drug dealer stealing to fund their habit is as much of an "instinct" as the way the old man acted. Doesn't make it okay. That's a bad analogy... a drug dealer wouldn't steal to fund a habit!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Til I Die Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I mention it because if I was in this guys position I'd have killed him the moment he shoved the gun in my face. And you'd be justified in doing so, most likely :) Is it "excessive force" to kill someone when they're making a threat on your life and pointing a gun at your head? I don't think so... there's definitely a debate to be had there, anyway. But the robber LEFT and NO LONGER POSED A THREAT. Why do people keep missing this point which plays a pretty major part in the story? He was no longer threatening the old man's life. He wasn't acting in self-defence. That's a bad analogy... a drug dealer wouldn't steal to fund a habit!! Haha meant to write drug addict :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Markus Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 pretty sure he put himself in danger in ww2 also since he was a 75 year old retired marine. You must not really be "Hardcore till i die" My goodness, was that meant to be a joke? The second world war ended in 1945, a full 66 years ago! Feel ashamed having to tell someone from London this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo158 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 And you'd be justified in doing so, most likely :) Is it "excessive force" to kill someone when they're making a threat on your life and pointing a gun at your head? I don't think so... there's definitely a debate to be had there, anyway. But the robber LEFT and NO LONGER POSED A THREAT. Why do people keep missing this point which plays a pretty major part in the story? He was no longer threatening the old man's life. He wasn't acting in self-defence. I'm not disagreeing with you, all i'm saying is that as a Marine he's trained to eleminate threats and that's what he percieved the robber as, a threat, it doesn't justify chasing him down and killing him though. All I'm saying is that he was acting on instinct, acting on what he's been trained to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 If the guy would have shot him when he was still in his house it would be ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japlabot Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I love Neowin coming up with all these different angles, the lawyers only need to pull up this thread and get all the ideas for their case material that they need :p. We should set up a "Neowin Court" forum and have mock trials for cases we see in the news. We can then use a Poll to get a Jury verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Til I Die Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'm not disagreeing with you, all i'm saying is that as a Marine he's trained to eleminate threats and that's what he percieved the robber as, a threat, it doesn't justify chasing him down and killing him though. All I'm saying is that he was acting on instinct, acting on what he's been trained to do. That's what I mean though, he couldn't perceive the robber as a threat when he had already ran off leaving him alive. It's clear that the robber wasn't going to harm him from that point onwards, therefore he wasn't a threat. I'm trained to answer the phone as "good morning/afternoon, <company name here>" at work but I don't do that at home... sometimes you need to do things differently in life as you would when you're at work. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo158 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 If the guy would have shot him when he was still in his house it would be ok Yes, it would. Because he would be defending his property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Nothing cool or Christian about this. The man was safe, yet violently chased the robber down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted July 24, 2011 Member Share Posted July 24, 2011 It's bad the crook lost his life over this but as you sow so shall you reap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anibal P Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Let's hope the Hero gets a decent jury with some common sense, and he'll be fine, he gets a load of bleeding hearts like some in here, and he won't do as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 24, 2011 Subscriber² Share Posted July 24, 2011 So you think that people who served in the war can go around killing people now? What an utterly ridiculous way to look at things. The Moron thief got what he deserved. Hopefully more of them will meet the same fate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 ^ Most likely the 'hero' will get Vehicular Homicide, and spend the rest of his life in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulsiphon Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 ^ Most likely the 'hero' will get Vehicular Manslaughter, and spend the rest of his life in prison. Ridiculous. No prosecutor who wants to be re-elected by his constituents is going to send an elderly veteran up the river. Especially when he was probably lucky to have not been killed during the commission of a felony. Ever see the video of the guy waiting next to a pay-phone as the police walk by escorting the guy who sexually abused the waiting man's little boy? Then the guy turns from the phone and shoots the suspect point-blank in the braincage? Got a slap on the wrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 It's one thing if he killed the man when he had him at gunpoint in his house. It's another to go chasing after him, run him down twice in a parking lot, and then say that the details were lost in an adrenaline rush. Maybe if more people did **** like this to people that wronged them the world would be a better place to live. Ala the 1800's The slave trade and dying of common diseases sure was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Criminal got what he deserved. He pointed a gun the guy and repeated said "you're dead". Then he stole his money and ran away...pathetic guy got what he deserved; death. I see it as one less pathetic soul to worry about when I leave my home every morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Til I Die Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Ridiculous. No prosecutor who wants to be re-elected by his constituents is going to send an elderly veteran up the river. Especially when he was probably lucky to have not been killed during the commission of a felony. Ever see the video of the guy waiting next to a pay-phone as the police walk by escorting the guy who sexually abused the waiting man's little boy? Then the guy turns from the phone and shoots the suspect point-blank in the braincage? Got a slap on the wrist. Robbing someone isn't in the same league as sexually abusing someone's child, wife or someone close to them.. Robbing somebody is taking possessions. It's not like the robber raped his wife in the process of the robbery.. he just hit him on the head, took the money and left. The Moron thief got what he deserved. Hopefully more of them will meet the same fate! If you say so :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Yes, it would. Because he would be defending his property. Well in his state you can use force to protect that. I was thinking that because he would be in fear of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorak Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Good job old fella. One useless thug off of the street. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 24, 2011 Subscriber² Share Posted July 24, 2011 Robbing someone isn't in the same league as sexually abusing someone's child, wife or someone close to them.. Robbing somebody is taking possessions. It's not like the robber raped his wife in the process of the robbery.. he just hit him on the head, took the money and left. If you say so :rolleyes: You come and live where I do where 80 year old women are shot for sport coming out of church. The crime rate here is so high they are considering bringing in The National Guard. Yes I say so, and I live it day to day. Come and live here for awhile where police carry assault weapons. One lesson to be learned from this is not to Fark with a Marine, of any age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Til I Die Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 You come and live where I do where 80 year old women are shot for sport coming out of church. The crime rate here is so high they are considering bringing in The National Guard. Yes I say so, and I live it day to day. Come and live here for awhile where police carry assault weapons. One lesson to be learned from this is not to Fark with a Marine, of any age! There clearly isn't enough of a Police presence where you live then... vigilante-ism isn't the answer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Personally, with our current justice system, criminals should consider themselves lucky. People are given far too many chances to **** up these days and it does a heart good to see an old Marine vet take this guy out, unintentional as it may have been. Nonetheless, one less pathetic soul walking the streets, terrorizing innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 There clearly isn't enough of a Police presence where you live then... vigilante-ism isn't the answer though. Oh no, its a lack of respect for authority, and for innocent people, which is the problem, which exactly is the reason vigilante justice is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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