ThePitt Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I like the memory free, tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kInG aLeXo Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I've got a comparison too. Atleast Apple's looks "beautiful".When they copy ideas, they copy them the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Markus Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Windows 8 got many positive things going for it; i.e. memory usage, swifter boot-up/shut down times and of course the design language that's working better than Windows 7 on multi touch screens. Hopefully and most probably Microsoft will listen to the feedback the developers and build testers are giving, and once the beta comes out in spring we'll see some major improvements.... (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted September 15, 2011 Veteran Share Posted September 15, 2011 Microsoft made it very clear that what you people from Neowin keep calling the "tablet interface" will be the default interface across all devices, including traditional desktops and notebooks. Which is part of the problem, Microsoft have made the tablet UI the default on devices where it just doesn't work well. Imagine trying to use iOS on a Mac Pro with a keyboard and mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remixedcat Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Sums up most of my thoughts about that ugly thing.Seriously, Steve Jobs was right when he said Microsoft doesn't have a taste at all. A -> B, therefore Not C.Not everyone here is a native English speaker, but everyone has his own aesthetic standards, having bad grammar does not imply being "wrong" on aesthetic views. You won't feel embaressed if your tech friends come and see you using DOS or Windows 95/98 as your main OS ? For many people windows 8 in its current look is considered really retarded thing, and it can get you emabaressed infront of them. You'd really look like a fool when you flail your arms around using kinect.... remember wii elbow? now it's windows 8 elbow. you move some files around and pan around the gui and give someone a black eye! or knock the vodka out of thier hands, they get really ****ed and knock you out with the vodka bottle and you wake up cold and naked on the floor. do not let that happen to you. friends don't let friends go crazy with kinect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus- Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 One minor note that is completely wrong and false: The metro apps are ALL resizable and can share the screen with the old traditional desktop apps. For example you could use word and the metro weather app simultaneously. It works well and you can resize the window. Which is part of the problem, Microsoft have made the tablet UI the default on devices where it just doesn't work well. Imagine trying to use iOS on a Mac Pro with a keyboard and mouse. Im sorry. No. Just no. its not a tablet UI, its touch first, as in ' all computers are going to a touch first world'. Your computer, my computer, that doesn't do touch, those are considered the past. Touch is the future, regardless if we want it or not. The interface works just fine on my computer with keyboard and mouse only. Its new, refreshing, and its their only legitimate shot at taking down apple and the iPad. Its also original. Then your argument about using iOS on a mac is a bad one when Lion has that view you can bring up that makes it look like springboard on an iOS device. Obviously apple is taking queues from their mobile OS and so is Microsoft, so I really wish people would stop bashing them. The Start screen is designed with tablets (touch devices) in mind though, it isn't very good on a desktop point and click PC at all. It basically turns it into a giant Windows Phone 7? I fully disagree as a media center user the UI can be very easy to navigate and use with a keyboard and mouse. Metro may make it easier for the elderly and people not computer savvy to operate a computer with confidence. Less support calls because there is less room for error. I think the opposite, but I am entitled to my opinion. I reluctantly admit to the title of 'MS fanboi', and even I agree with you. I like some of the visuals in Win8 (and I've loved Metro as a design concept ever since I first installed the Zune software), but I'm not seeing any real technical enhancement of the OS yet. Certainly not enough to merit a migration, and Sinofsky can tell us until he's blue in the face that "it works with a mouse and keyboard!", but that's not going to change the fact that for a conventional PC, while it might work, it doesn't improve anything. I'm not anti-progress. I've loved the ribbon interface since it appeared in Office 07, understand the design principles behind it, and agree that it improves navigation overall. Replacing the Start Menu completely for non-touch devices is a step backward, though. Sure it doesn't improve anything on the good 'ole desktop PC. This is transitional as why it keeps the old windows desktop UI and has the new Metro UI and those apps. PCs (trucks) are not the future, tablets and touch screen devices with keyboards are the future. Microsoft sees that and is adapting and shifting with the market. I want to know why people are hating for them trying to do that. Windows 7 will not reach end of life (read: stop receiving updates) the day 8 is released. Microsoft is twisting no one's arm to run it. Plenty of people complained at how Lion adopted the backwards scrolling thing, but really apple is adapting to the future. I fully believe they will one day do a touchscreen computer. Everyone is adapting. I guess some would be happier if Microsoft just did nothing and let their market evaporate to their competition. Or should they have copied ios or android instead? +1 I want to know from the complainers how Microsoft should have tackled the iPad better? Even apple is copying from iOS to Mac OS X. Lol, that got a good laugh. I downloaded and Installed the Dev Preview at work onto a Virtual Machine to begin testing some of our current software. Both my boss and the other programmer thought that the tile ui was a joke. The other programmer was amazed when I told him it's not just for tablets, it's the default interface. They both shook their heads, and said they hoped for an easy way to turn off the immersive, as it's just going to add to the work our support department will have to deal with, from customers that have no clue what they are doing. It also makes our standard applications seem out of place with two interfaces. I also find it quite silly that half the apps load in desktop mode, the other half load in immersive mode. Seems really streamlined to me /sarcasm. Would hate to work at your company. Seems like you 3 didn't understand that the old desktop is for backwards compatibility and the New UI is for going forward. If you had watched the build keynote, or followed a bit of what windows 8 was about it seems like things would have made a bit more sense to you. i also wouldn't hire a programmer that wasn't prepared for the future but that's just my 2 cents. everyone had to see when the iPad came out or at least by the time that the android tablets and the iPad 2 were the rage that tablets are the future. If they continue down this route ill be switching to a Mac. Windows 8 is disgusting, a slate isnt a PC dont force the UI onto desktops for consistencies sake and destroy usability. Thats actually a good laugh. Guess you didn't see that Lion has picked up a lot of concepts from iOS. Both Operating systems are becoming more touch friendly. Apple doesn't have a touch screen device but is basically making up for that at the moment with the multi-touch trackpads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralDogma Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Imagine trying to use iOS on a Mac Pro with a keyboard and mouse. I've got some bad news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazhar Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Majority of Windows fans and developers welcome Windows 8 as a great and simplistic UI. What Microsoft made is what people want. Some people will always argue but that does not matter. Windows 1 was not touch, Windows 8 has great touch features. Windows 1 was only compatible with PCs, Windows 8 is for any device you use, PC, Mobile, Tablet, Slate, etc and all have one unified UI experience Windows 8 is a complete OS (and I really hope you know what a complete OS is) with simplistic user interface giving user the freedom to make their daily tasks more efficient and less time consuming. There is absolutely no comparison between the two. And that is not all, if you do not like the new UI, you can always switch back to legacy Windows 7 UI instantly! No compromise! Windows 8 is the winner all the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remixedcat Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 at least apple doesn't make you boot right up to launchpad and make the regular desktop "minimized" or "optional" Like MS has!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kInG aLeXo Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Majority of Windows fans and developers welcome Windows 8 as a great and simplistic UI. What Microsoft made is what people want. Some people will always argue but that does not matter. Windows 1 was not touch, Windows 8 has great touch features. Windows 1 was only compatible with PCs, Windows 8 is for any device you use, PC, Mobile, Tablet, Slate, etc and all have one unified UI experience Windows 8 is a complete OS (and I really hope you know what a complete OS is) with simplistic user interface giving user the freedom to make their daily tasks more efficient and less time consuming. There is absolutely no comparison between the two. And that is not all, if you do not like the new UI, you can always switch back to legacy Windows 7 UI instantly! No compromise! Windows 8 is the winner all the way! Define "the majority".AFAIK The neowin community represents a good sample of Windows fans, and yet from the replies so far, number of people welcoming the new UI for desktop usage is far less from any "majority". Most desktops do not have touch screen. We are not discussing using Windows 8 for tablets or anything but desktops here. All those words are extremely relativistic, and sound like a copy paste from some ad. It would be serious problem if the new UI was included by default, for developers who would be puzzled whether to make their app using the "old" or the "new" interface, and for the new users who would have trouble figuring out how to work with it (no much trouble for the enterprise tho, cause they will either skip Windows 8, or can have custom made installations). Windows 8 won't be a winner by any means unless Microsoft listens to all the complaints, not just the words and smilies of MSPs and those who were given free gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus- Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Well I also want to remind those on the fence (not those who have pushed the Metro UI out of their mind as 'garbage') that this is not even a beta. Its still alpha. Microsoft hasn't hit the beta stage and its highly possible, while I have not heard it I suspect there is a good chance its not feature complete yet, meaning more features could come and there is likely changes to the UI and interface(s). Finally you could still run 7, xp, or I do bet that while there may not be a control panel option to turn off metro, there will likely be a reg key or a hacker puts out an app that forces the metro UI to be disabled. Many options to satisfy haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazhar Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 It would be serious problem if the new UI was included by default, for developers who would be puzzled whether to make their app using the "old" or the "new" interface, and for the new users who would have trouble figuring out how to work with it (no much trouble for the enterprise tho, cause they will either skip Windows 8, or can have custom made installations). Windows 8 won't be a winner by any means unless Microsoft listens to all the complaints, not just the words and smilies of MSPs and those who were given free gifts. Well, in moving forward you have to face some troubles but in the end it will all be overcome and we will get used to it, off course change will bring some change. It does not mean that we should stop moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kInG aLeXo Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Well, in moving forward you have to face some troubles but in the end it will all be overcome and we will get used to it, off course change will bring some change. It does not mean that we should stop moving forward. In the end that trouble you'll either overcome it, or it will destroy you.You can't just move forward assuming there would be no risk on the long run.Of course you must forweward, but never assume it will go just right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 The Start screen is designed with tablets (touch devices) in mind though, it isn't very good on a desktop point and click PC at all. It basically turns it into a giant Windows Phone 7? I agree and that's something I've been saying from the very start. It does't change though that said interface isn't the "tablet interface" since it will be deployed across all devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamminium Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 LOL @OP's pic. That's actually what I thought when I first saw the Metro UI: the modern version of Windows 95 with pretty animation and better looks. Surprisingly, it works... on touch devices. I'd hate it on click PC, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Which is part of the problem, Microsoft have made the tablet UI the default on devices where it just doesn't work well. Imagine trying to use iOS on a Mac Pro with a keyboard and mouse. Yeah it's insane, however, like I said before Metro isn't the tablet UI of Windows. It's the default so I have no idea why just about every article on Neowin keeps calling it the "tablet UI" suggesting that it will only be used on, well, tablets. By the way, I don't think you understand the concept of a fanboy ;) I criticise Microsoft when they deserve it. Sorry, but I lol'd when reading that. ;) I've got some bad news... You don't seem to understand that, unlike the new Start in Windows 8, Launchpad isn't a replacement for anything. It's an addition. The Dock/stacks, Spotlight, etc. still function the same as they did in previous Mac OS X versions. In fact, Spotlight has even been enhanced with Quick Look. You can simply get rid of the Launchpad icon in your Dock and disable its gesture and you won't even know it's there. However, yes, Launchpad is an example too of something that works for a touch input-based deviced 1:1 ported to a conventional desktop computer. But like I said, it's nothing more than a simple addition rather than a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane-UK Veteran Posted September 15, 2011 Veteran Share Posted September 15, 2011 You won't feel embaressed if your tech friends come and see you using DOS or Windows 95/98 as your main OS ? For many people windows 8 in its current look is considered really retarded thing, and it can get you emabaressed infront of them. No. Never. You should always be your own person. Provided you're doing something that upsets or hurts other people, you should live your life as you choose. If your friends mock you because you choose to use one piece of software over another, I'd suggest you find other friends as they sound like complete douchebags! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted September 15, 2011 Veteran Share Posted September 15, 2011 ... Im sorry. No. Just no. its not a tablet UI, its touch first, as in ' all computers are going to a touch first world'. Your computer, my computer, that doesn't do touch, those are considered the past. Touch is the future, regardless if we want it or not. The interface works just fine on my computer with keyboard and mouse only. Its new, refreshing, and its their only legitimate shot at taking down apple and the iPad. Its also original. ... So it's not a tablet UI, but it's designed to compete with tablets? I personally am never going to have a touch screen unless they simply stop selling normal screens. I don't want to hold my arms up in the air to use my PC. I've got some bad news... Yeah, and it doesn't work that well, it's better suited for a touch form factor that doesn't fit well with desktops. Yeah it's insane, however, like I said before Metro isn't the tablet UI of Windows. It's the default so I have no idea why just about every article on Neowin keeps calling it the "tablet UI" suggesting that it will only be used on, well, tablets. ... I'm calling it the tablet UI since it's obviously designed for use on tablets, even though Microsoft is forcing it on devices where it doesn't fit. I wish it was only used on tablets, Windows 8 wouldn't be so awkward to use on desktops then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus- Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 ... HP's latest touchsmart. which also gets me thinking. I used to live near a library that had computers for internet use with the monitor under a piece of glass, so you had to look down to use it (privacy + the glass offered a table top surface if you needed to work on papers). These HP computers would be perfect because you could just reach down and touch it. I do understand most people's concerns with the OS, although most of them are based in not having all the facts presented to them. I do agree with you that it would be very straining on one's arms to touch a monitor that is in the traditional position of straight across from your face on a desk. However the touchsmart PC I presented would also work well if it had a digitizer because you could touch with your fingers and then for graphic artists or not taking you could switch back to the old windows desktop and fire up photoshop or one note and use it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remixedcat Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 HP Touchsmarts are crap. lots of people with issues with those things. Plus no upgradeable GPU, and the things overheat like mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Lyons10 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I REALLY hope that Microsoft has only demonstrated what Windows 8 means to Tablets, and the rest comes later; because the desktop isn't dead yet and Microsoft have a history of being wrong about making bold predictions and assumptions like that. I have it on a Virtual Machine and it is far from useful for a desktop imo, I won't be using it as a "main OS" in it's current state anyway. I CAN see the appeal it will have on touch devices though. Basically sums up my little look. That's what i have been thinking (And saying) as well. It's very disjointed. You have apps in the Metro screen, you have apps in the desktop. You install an app, and have to check two places to see where it ended up... You start an instant messenger on your desktop and then go out to Metro and you won't know there was a new message unless you go back to the desktop. It would be good for a tablet, but for a daily use desktop it's just a UX nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainer82 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Microsoft made it very clear that what you people from Neowin keep calling the "tablet interface" will be the default interface across all devices, including traditional desktops and notebooks. If that is true, I will be disabled that horrendas app home page. I have NO need or desire for that on my desktop with a KB&Mouse. I don't even really care for it in my test tablet that I have from work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainer82 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 One minor note that is completely wrong and false: The metro apps are ALL resizable and can share the screen with the old traditional desktop apps. For example you could use word and the metro weather app simultaneously. It works well and you can resize the window. Im sorry. No. Just no. its not a tablet UI, its touch first, as in ' all computers are going to a touch first world'. Your computer, my computer, that doesn't do touch, those are considered the past. Touch is the future, regardless if we want it or not. The interface works just fine on my computer with keyboard and mouse only. Its new, refreshing, and its their only legitimate shot at taking down apple and the iPad. Its also original. Then your argument about using iOS on a mac is a bad one when Lion has that view you can bring up that makes it look like springboard on an iOS device. Obviously apple is taking queues from their mobile OS and so is Microsoft, so I really wish people would stop bashing them. I fully disagree as a media center user the UI can be very easy to navigate and use with a keyboard and mouse. Metro may make it easier for the elderly and people not computer savvy to operate a computer with confidence. Less support calls because there is less room for error. I think the opposite, but I am entitled to my opinion. Sure it doesn't improve anything on the good 'ole desktop PC. This is transitional as why it keeps the old windows desktop UI and has the new Metro UI and those apps. PCs (trucks) are not the future, tablets and touch screen devices with keyboards are the future. Microsoft sees that and is adapting and shifting with the market. I want to know why people are hating for them trying to do that. Windows 7 will not reach end of life (read: stop receiving updates) the day 8 is released. Microsoft is twisting no one's arm to run it. Plenty of people complained at how Lion adopted the backwards scrolling thing, but really apple is adapting to the future. I fully believe they will one day do a touchscreen computer. Everyone is adapting. +1 I want to know from the complainers how Microsoft should have tackled the iPad better? Even apple is copying from iOS to Mac OS X. Would hate to work at your company. Seems like you 3 didn't understand that the old desktop is for backwards compatibility and the New UI is for going forward. If you had watched the build keynote, or followed a bit of what windows 8 was about it seems like things would have made a bit more sense to you. i also wouldn't hire a programmer that wasn't prepared for the future but that's just my 2 cents. everyone had to see when the iPad came out or at least by the time that the android tablets and the iPad 2 were the rage that tablets are the future. Thats actually a good laugh. Guess you didn't see that Lion has picked up a lot of concepts from iOS. Both Operating systems are becoming more touch friendly. Apple doesn't have a touch screen device but is basically making up for that at the moment with the multi-touch trackpads. You can't tell me that MS is going to force a horrible interface onto their end users, I am sure the more people complain about this, this "tablet, iOS interface" will fade away. How is this even remotely useful? I found myself spending MORE time navigating with my finger and with a mouse trying to get to the full blown control panel in this new interface, even when I knew where to go. Absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraf Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 That's what i have been thinking (And saying) as well. It's very disjointed. You have apps in the Metro screen, you have apps in the desktop. You install an app, and have to check two places to see where it ended up... You start an instant messenger on your desktop and then go out to Metro and you won't know there was a new message unless you go back to the desktop. It would be good for a tablet, but for a daily use desktop it's just a UX nightmare. Any apps you install will be shown in that Metro start screen, there is no need to switch back to the desktop to see if it's there. Basically anything that was in the start menu is on the start screen You can't tell me that MS is going to force a horrible interface onto their end users, I am sure the more people complain about this, this "tablet, iOS interface" will fade away. How is this even remotely useful? I found myself spending MORE time navigating with my finger and with a mouse trying to get to the full blown control panel in this new interface, even when I knew where to go. Absolutely ridiculous. I just tried it on the Dev preview. Two clicks is all it took to get to the old control panel. It takes the same in Windows 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sopharine Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Any apps you install will be shown in that Metro start screen, there is no need to switch back to the desktop to see if it's there. Basically anything that was in the start menu is on the start screen I just tried it on the Dev preview. Two clicks is all it took to get to the old control panel. It takes the same in Windows 7 Windows 8 takes you to a full screen search interface that interrupt what you were doing on the desktop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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