sanctified Veteran Posted September 24, 2003 Veteran Share Posted September 24, 2003 he's dead.but sd I'm just saying this cause I think you shouldn't post here if you dont like rap/2pac. That what I said in the first post... I dont wanna argue about it, I know god made people like you too, and I respect that too... and I didnt want to post, it just that someone mentioned my name because of a link, a link that I didnt posted because I want to respect this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuminati Posted September 24, 2003 Author Share Posted September 24, 2003 btw, I also got a track that contains parts of tracks of a new remix album by deathrow, called Nu-Mixx Klazzics http://www.deathrowrecords.net/numixxsampler.wma I dont really like the remixes of classics but some of them are okay I guess... Tracklisting of the album: 1. 2 Of Amerikaz Most Wanted (feat Crooked I) 2. How Do U Want It 3. Hail Mary (feat Outlawz) 4. Life Goes On **First Single** 5. All Eyez On Me (feat Big Syke) 6. Heartz Of Men 7. Toss It Up (feat Danny Boy) 8. Hit Em Up (feat Outlawz) 9. Never Had A Friend Like Me 10. Ambitionz Az A Ridah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuminati Posted September 24, 2003 Author Share Posted September 24, 2003 ,Sep 24 2003, 23:11] he's dead.but sd I'm just saying this cause I think you shouldn't post here if you dont like rap/2pac. That what I said in the first post... I dont wanna argue about it, I know god made people like you too, and I respect that too... and I didnt want to post, it just that someone mentioned my name because of a link, a link that I didnt posted because I want to respect this thread okay then it's all respect here :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuminati Posted September 26, 2003 Author Share Posted September 26, 2003 More Pac NEWS!!!! There was a prome on the radio for a new track called Runnin' Beat has been made by Eminem and it's rapped by 2pac & Biggie The 2 best rappers! Get it here, It's kinda bad Quality cause it's recorded from radio in a bad way I guess, CDQ should be out soon: http://www.urbanplayground.net/~westsyde/R...essurection.mp3 Btw. Runnin' OG which is leaked several years ago has another 2pac verse then this one, seems like pac, the workaholic, made a solo version of Runnin' too. I like this verse even better then the one on the Original version. Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xp1ode Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 ,Sep 24 2003, 22:48] ,Sep 24 2003, 22:35] For MOST people who like rap it's not that much about the beat, but almost only about the lyrics, there are alot of rappers out there that are sooooo smart and have song with lyrics you can only wish you could make...thats real thats is your opinion, but again, Im not going to start something here. btw, I know I can write better lyrics, I know it, if you want to know why Im know it send me a PM. :happy: http://home.planet.nl/~twerd001/images/pic6big.jpg well, thats considered flaming, and since Im not flaming you that was uncalled so clam down cowboy, you are messing with the wrong person in the wrong time :whistle: ok I'm sorry :huh: :unsure: lol ######... yeah so back on the topic i heard that in this movie 2pac will finally reveal that he is alive... :laugh: lol my bad i just thought that comment was funny... Back on topic, umm.... i dunno it looks like alot of new things like memNOC said but will it be worth watching for alot of people? i have my doubts. BTW i havent seen any commercials on mtv how new is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryptonik Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 For MOST people who like rap it's not that much about the beat, but almost only about the lyrics, there are alot of rappers out there that are sooooo smart and have song with lyrics you can only wish you could make...thats real If they are sooooo smart then why do they not have a education? Most rappers are potheads or drop-outs. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuminati Posted September 26, 2003 Author Share Posted September 26, 2003 (edited) For MOST people who like rap it's not that much about the beat, but almost only about the lyrics, there are alot of rappers out there that are sooooo smart and have song with lyrics you can only wish you could make...thats real If they are sooooo smart then why do they not have a education? Most rappers are potheads or drop-outs. ;) Pac went 2 school, school 4 arts or sumthing, but his mom got addicted 2 crack and he left the house and lived on the streets and ended up sellin drugs. Then his best friend at school got killed. He started a anti gun campaigne at school, and made his first rap song about his friend. Later he dropped out of school, cause of the stuff with his mom and dealin drugs... edit: Also pac wasn't really a school kinda guy, he said like why do they teach us gym, when dont they they teach us: - anti aids - anti voilence - why there is poorness and richness and more things like that, I dont remember exactly what he said It's on a DVD called Thug Angel, it shows an interview where he was 17, it was recorded exactly one week before pac became homeless. Edited September 26, 2003 by killuminati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuminati Posted September 26, 2003 Author Share Posted September 26, 2003 Back on topic, umm.... i dunno it looks like alot of new things like memNOC said but will it be worth watching for alot of people? i have my doubts. BTW i havent seen any commercials on mtv how new is this? Well the commercial part sucks, almost with everything that comes out from pac right now. I think there will be some commercials for this movie, should be shown within on month or something. The soundtrack for the movie comes out November 4th, and the movie will be in cinema at November 14th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw_jon Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Saint Dark, you never happened to read this post? Im not saying that rap is crap or something similar, so please, sit back and shhhhhh Not only have your signatures made it blatantly clear that you do think "rap" is terrible, but you've just suggested that a hip-hop artist cannot be a genius in his field. From what I've seen in the past you appear to analyze music with reason and listen intelligently (though I have not always agreed with your choices), discerning with thought--and not purely emotion--what you like or do not like. Therefore it disappoints me greatly that you have made the choice to oust an entire (and enormous) genre of music from your life. The way that many artists play with words, both grammatically and metaphorically, is often unbelievable. Have you ever heard somebody, while rhyming eleven corresponding syllables in two lines, weave a ridiculously coherent and thought-provoking story? It makes me quiver and shake inside. I am a hip-hop artist myself, but my influences range from Frank Zappa to Tool to Junior Brown to Big Punisher. Open yourself up to different types of creativity and different types of music, coming from extremely different cultures, and you will only understand and appreciate the things that you like now even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memNOC Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Saint Dark, you never happened to read this post?Not only have your signatures made it blatantly clear that you do think "rap" is terrible, but you've just suggested that a hip-hop artist cannot be a genius in his field. From what I've seen in the past you appear to analyze music with reason and listen intelligently (though I have not always agreed with your choices), discerning with thought--and not purely emotion--what you like or do not like. Therefore it disappoints me greatly that you have made the choice to oust an entire (and enormous) genre of music from your life. The way that many artists play with words, both grammatically and metaphorically, is often unbelievable. Have you ever heard somebody, while rhyming eleven corresponding syllables in two lines, weave a ridiculously coherent and thought-provoking story? It makes me quiver and shake inside. I am a hip-hop artist myself, but my influences range from Frank Zappa to Tool to Junior Brown to Big Punisher. Open yourself up to different types of creativity and different types of music, coming from extremely different cultures, and you will only understand and appreciate the things that you like now even more. right on, my man.. dont waste your time with [sD] tho.. (N) BooYA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xp1ode Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 I dont understand why some people dont like rap/hip hop, is music as everything esle. I myself like all types of music no matter where it comes from whether is rap/hip hop, or rock, or alternative or even country. I classify myself as being a beats person if i like the beat of a song, any song in any genre, then i consider it to be a good song, the lyrics can do it for me but not all the time, i focus more on beats. I think beats is what gets mostly alot of people involved in the song and once they have heard the song then they start to analyzed the lyrics, of course this is not always the case, i have friends who are fast enought to catch the lyrics on the first time they hear the song, but me i dont think im that quick. Therefore i think that the beats do it for me. On another thought, [sd] not to start a flame or any stupid ideas, but i mean have you ever heard people who rap or people who do poetry in the forms of rap? I have heard some of these people in school and in plays and i think is amazing the way they express themselves, the way they flow with the beat and the way they just let everything out without making mistakes. Just curious about the whole thing. PS. ms_jon nice speech lol j/k. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted September 26, 2003 Veteran Share Posted September 26, 2003 Saint Dark, you never happened to read this post?Not only have your signatures made it blatantly clear that you do think "rap" is terrible, but you've just suggested that a hip-hop artist cannot be a genius in his field. From what I've seen in the past you appear to analyze music with reason and listen intelligently (though I have not always agreed with your choices), discerning with thought--and not purely emotion--what you like or do not like. Therefore it disappoints me greatly that you have made the choice to oust an entire (and enormous) genre of music from your life. The way that many artists play with words, both grammatically and metaphorically, is often unbelievable. Have you ever heard somebody, while rhyming eleven corresponding syllables in two lines, weave a ridiculously coherent and thought-provoking story? It makes me quiver and shake inside. I am a hip-hop artist myself, but my influences range from Frank Zappa to Tool to Junior Brown to Big Punisher. Open yourself up to different types of creativity and different types of music, coming from extremely different cultures, and you will only understand and appreciate the things that you like now even more. why we are beating a dead horse here? I analyzed rap to death and came to my own conclussions, period, rap cant bring something new or exiting to MY culture (and with MY Im stating MY OPINION), agreed, they can play very well to words, but that fact is not going to impress me nor the genere fits my needs in music and most importantly, lyrics. memNOC: yeah, now because I hate rap you hate me now :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSCD_Immortal Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Damn!! now i really miss 2pac :cry: :cry: :cry: Thanks for that song man the Runnin. i really appreciate having a copy of it i heard it on the radio the other day and was in shock. 2pac we will never forget YOU!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairon Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 For MOST people who like rap it's not that much about the beat, but almost only about the lyrics, there are alot of rappers out there that are sooooo smart and have song with lyrics you can only wish you could make...thats real If they are sooooo smart then why do they not have a education? Most rappers are potheads or drop-outs. ;) Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Red Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 I like the generalization that anyone that raps is an idiot and has no education. Not to mention that these people believe that what they see on MTV is the only type of hip hop there is. You have to dig around for good hip hop, 90% of hip hop is pretty bad, and that's usually the stuff you see on MTV. The mainstream rap is pretty bad. Look for the independent labels!!! Check out: Aesop Rock (and Def Jux) Doseone Sole Slug (of Atmosphere and formally Deep Puddle Dynamics) Eyedea Typical Cats Brother Ali Illogic If I had more time I would write more names. But that should get anyone that has an open mind to check some of these guys out. Aesop Rock and Eyedea have lyrics that I have trouble getting my mind around, it takes a few times and some thought to get the picture they're trying to paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaffa Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 (edited) For MOST people who like rap it's not that much about the beat, but almost only about the lyrics, there are alot of rappers out there that are sooooo smart and have song with lyrics you can only wish you could make...thats real If they are sooooo smart then why do they not have a education? Most rappers are potheads or drop-outs. ;) Agreed. uh... ok :crazy: but what about rock. it's the same thing. not all roch though. I hate it when people just say stuff like that. I mean if you don't appreciate it then don't listen to it :cool: . I'm a hiphop/rap fan 24/7. But doesn't mean I go running around saying that I hate rock, or pop or whatever music YOU would like. It's so simple: don't like: don't listen: don't flame. Oh yeah... rap is not a culture: it's more then music but not a culture :pinch: edit: mmmm. maybe too much. just stop the hatin'. this thread was not meant as a anti-rap thread or something... 2PAC R.I.P Edited September 26, 2003 by jaffa_sinas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticktron Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 (edited) A good rapper/hip-hop artist is really a 21st century poet, writing of our times and experiences, our society and our values. To name an common example, listen to some bootleg Eminem stuff, where he's freestyling complex 12-14 syllable-per-line lyrics with clever rhyming and word play tricks. That takes skill, period. Almost all of the Top 40 junk you hear today is so fake. Mostly 'performers' singing and dancing to behind-the-scenes writers and producers work, or one-track wonder rap/metal Stinkin' Park ripoffs or dime-a-dozen Greenday/Blink OneEightyWho? imitators. I have a wide pallete when it comes to music, I listen to a bit of everything, but please.. everything on the radio/MTV now is the same band with different facial hair. It's refreshing to hear a clever rapper like Em, or talented producers like the Neptunes. And those are just two common mainstream examples. There is a whole wealth of great stuff out there. :ninja: Edited September 26, 2003 by Sticktron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticktron Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 If they are sooooo smart then why do they not have a education? Most rappers are potheads or drop-outs. ;) Wait a minute.. what does formal education have to do with being smart? Nothing. Going to school and getting a paper degree requires some level of discipline, sure, but it doesn't make you smart. Don't be confused. You may learn things, and may become smart-ER, but don't think you automagically become intelligent because you earn a certain certificate. And what does being a pothead have to do with anything? One is free to choose whatever activity they desire for spending their leisure time. Almost everyone in the West drinks alcohol, does that make almost everyone dumb? Alcohol is more dehabilitating than pot. A regular smoker carries out all of life's functions as well as a non-smoker. They don't get high and pass out on the couch. So what if I chose to smoke on the way to work, smoke at lunch, smoke on the ride home from work listening to tunes, smoke at home and surf the net. That wouldn't change my intelligence. Don't be ignorant, and don't just absorb the bullisht anti-drug rhetoric the gubment spits out. It's not all true you know. :ninja: :cool: :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw_jon Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 ,Sep 26 2003, 14:49]why we are beating a dead horse here? I analyzed rap to death and came to my own conclussions, period, rap cant bring something new or exiting to MY culture (and with MY Im stating MY OPINION), agreed, they can play very well to words, but that fact is not going to impress me nor the genere fits my needs in music and most importantly, lyrics. memNOC: yeah, now because I hate rap you hate me now?:rolleyes:: Whenever you come to your own conclusions with so succinct a "period" at the end, you've closed a portion of your mind and blocked one pathway to growth. I hope that you become more open to such things in the future. ------ And MemNOC, man, you're probably right. But it so often seems as if Saint Dark is a good guy, that I find it hard not to try to help assuage this ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted September 26, 2003 Veteran Share Posted September 26, 2003 ,Sep 26 2003, 14:49]why we are beating a dead horse here? I analyzed rap to death and came to my own conclussions, period, rap cant bring something new or exiting to MY culture (and with MY Im stating MY OPINION), agreed, they can play very well to words, but that fact is not going to impress me nor the genere fits my needs in music and most importantly, lyrics. memNOC: yeah, now because I hate rap you hate me now :rolleyes: Whenever you come to your own conclusions with so succinct a "period" at the end, you've closed a portion of your mind and blocked one pathway to growth. I hope that you become more open to such things in the future. ------ And MemNOC, man, you're probably right. But it so often seems as if Saint Dark is a good guy, that I find it hard not to try to help assuage this ignorance. Wait, just because I dont "open" my mind to rap Im an ignorant? Man, I used to be a friend of a local rapper's brother, his house was a little studio full of rap, mainstream, underground, every unimaginable rap and hip hop style, even gothic rap, I spent almost 4 years in there with him, I didnt liked rap but I studied so Im very aware of what rap is and is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 mainstream rap is just garbage. You have to listen to the indie stuff to hear what is truth about rap. Me? I'm a fan of the Jurassic 5. And I'm a metalhead, who would have knew? edit: (on a side note, SD, Thirteenth step didn't really do it for me as much as Mer de noms did. APC still rocks though :D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw_jon Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Saint Dark: I didn't suggest that you were ignorant, just that you had displayed a particular "ignorance." No matter how much rap you've listened to, as with any other genre of music, you haven't listened to it all, and you haven't listened to any new and innovative ideas that have yet to be created. That in and of itself should be enough to keep a person from making blanket statements or forming permanent opinions about any type of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted September 26, 2003 Veteran Share Posted September 26, 2003 please, we are humans, every human can make a particular statement about anything, my opinion is about the past and current rap scene, lets talk when the future arrives, for now Im my opinion rap doesnt have anything to offer in my musical culture. Maybe yes, Im closed to rap, but I was once open, what do you guys want from me? I closed the arguing days ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn00pY Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 looks cool...nice link! thanks Killu :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw_jon Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Since you asked: What I would like is for you to truly respect other's love and interest in hip-hop as a form of music. That includes allowing for the possibilty of ingenius musical and lyrical ideas to exist and/or be created in the genre, whether or not YOU can see these things. I think it would show incredible form to admit that there may be absolutely amazing things happening in the world of rap that your experience may limit you from fully understanding, just like many do not fully understand painting, sculpture or other forms--and subforms--of art. Most of all I would like to see this happen for you, not just everyone else it may affect in a positive way. Specifically to see you improve as a person. For yourself. Of course, I wouldn't dare purport to expect or require any of this from you. Rather, it is only what I would like to see, simply because I like positive people, changes and growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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