semifamous Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 Ya. They got the name by pulling letter out of a hat and calling them out... C, eh! N, eh! D, eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autodefe Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 You all should check out this website... http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html BTW, darkcrad, love the sig.. Ichi the Killer is such a badass movie. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john smith 1924 Veteran Posted September 25, 2003 Veteran Share Posted September 25, 2003 i saw the film again tonight- 1. i dont notice them muting charlton heston 2. ok - its cut judiciously- but this isnt a pro gun film, its an anti-gun film. if they wanted you to have a more balanced argument, then it wouldnt try to put forward a point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john smith 1924 Veteran Posted September 25, 2003 Veteran Share Posted September 25, 2003 You all should check out this website...http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html BTW, darkcrad, love the sig.. Ichi the Killer is such a badass movie. :yes: and that is all bull****. read moore's reply on his website. and then read the guys reply to moore- it is lamer than lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john smith 1924 Veteran Posted September 25, 2003 Veteran Share Posted September 25, 2003 someone who has real passion about something like this wouldn't make a film like this just to get paid for doing the documentary...there are probably 100 better film-makers than this whiny idiot who have done the same thing, I acknowledge alot of his points as valid- why well moan... but his little spin on everything just makes this unwatchable, he's such a dumba**. -thats hardly a constructive reason not to watch it. If you want to go around shooting people up, or having weak gun laws which encourage a nation of violent people - your decision."isnt it dangerous to be handing out a gun in a bank?" -- not when its unloaded and you have a m-16 pointed at you, you dolt.- i think you've kind of missed the point. Why do you think banks say no guns in banks = guns equals robbery = bad thing. Moore is making a point about american gun culture, and the ease of being able to get a gun. The irony is, that one of the easiest places to get a gun is from the prime place where you dont want guns - BANKS. and if you really want to get dangerous, cut out your mid-day "L. A." hood standing and go to Watts at 1 am, or maybe Compton... - again - you've missed the point. the point he is making here is that the news media hype up the violence, making americans more affraid- " a culture of fear". im sure if you go to any place in the world, there are chances you'll get mugged/ raped / stabbed- but thats not the point. The best ending that could have come of this film would have been him getting clipped while standing in the "hood" or if "Moses" would have put a revolver in his mouth.- mature. I'm sure i'll get flamed for not liking this film, but pffft.... -its a good thing you realise the... whats the word... stupidity of your remarks?i was going to edit this to include more content, but i decided not to waste any more breath.- maybe it wouldnt have been a waste...Sorry to make 3 posts - but man -some people.... And - sorry for being cutting- but Moore makes a good point. And some people just find it hard to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autodefe Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 You all should check out this website...http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html BTW, darkcrad, love the sig.. Ichi the Killer is such a badass movie. :yes: and that is all bull****. read moore's reply on his website. and then read the guys reply to moore- it is lamer than lame. The guy who wrote that website was no doubt a ****ed off right winger after Moore's comments at the Oscars. Whatever, though. It's all bs to me. From both sides. :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted September 25, 2003 Veteran Share Posted September 25, 2003 Moore makes no point because he's not based in reality. When I was living in Texas they were giving away shotguns with every new car. Wanna know how many of those shotguns were used in a violent crime in that city? Zero. Now take our only murder of my last year there. It was done with a knife. But. but guns = violence right? No. Violent people equal violence. In the end it doesn't matter what you get killed by Moore doesn't realize this. He plays off peoples ignorance and anger. Now before anyone starts I'm not pro NRA either alot of those huys are just as crazy, if not crazier than Moore, but the answers in the middle. Moore doesn't have it, and the NRA aint got it, but since those two seem to be the only ones talking everyone seems to think they're the only two sides. Basically I guess it just makes me mad that a film, so wrong is given such critical acclaim. Really makes me wonder what I could do with a Hi-8 cam, and some creative absence of truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkcrad Posted September 25, 2003 Author Share Posted September 25, 2003 You all should check out this website...http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html BTW, darkcrad, love the sig.. Ichi the Killer is such a badass movie. :yes: yes i love lov elove lov elov elov elove ichi the killer heh. kakihara is way too awesome. yes..back to topic. i dont see the point. if guns bad, get rid of them. People dont need them. Of course that is unrealistic, cos not all people trust each other. And that is maybe the reason why they shoot each other :p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ze-newie Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 I liked the film. I mean i know its extremely biased but everyone has a bias, and he does expose a lot of flaws in American society. I'm Canadian and I did find it weird that they showed a "ghetto in Canada" when it was actually just some lower middle class suburb. We have worse places 15 minutes from where I live. But I can attest to Canada being an overall less paranoid/hostile country to live in, and I can say that because I used to live in the states. Sure, there's a fair amount of violence here, but what big city doesn't have that problem? Don't get me wrong, the US is a great country for the most part, but I'd rather live here. edit: "here" = Vancouver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persianpsycho Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 its a good film, and those of you opposed to it simply because Moore is an idiot or you think guns aren't part of this countries ridculous amounts of violence then go ahead and continue to vote for your ignorant presidents and live in your world full of fear. Keep giving into the governments bull sh*t and watch your fox news being completely blind to what the system feeds you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhut Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 But. but guns = violence right? No.Violent people equal violence. In the end it doesn't matter what you get killed by Moore doesn't realize this. He plays off peoples ignorance and anger. Moore actually looks at this in the film, if I remember rightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadearth Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Yes, he actually comes up with the conclusion that the ownership of guns does not equate to gun violence. From what I read Moore initially thought it did, but through making the film, he realized it didn't. I think mainly the gun ownership in canada convinced him of that. If you remember he went to a city of 500,000 people in canada and asked if anyone could remember a murder there. Almost no one could. I'm from a US town of 60,000 and I can think of 3 different murder incidents in that town, and one was a triple murder. That in itself put me in awe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_rock Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 For your information it's Canada, not "Cananda". :rofl: yah, who would have thought a brit would have this much trouble with typing the English language? that and i cant seem to eb able to edit the post... ? o yah i should find statistics on the stabbing deaths and injuries in the UK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0ax Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 a documentary doesn't have to be true, it's just someones view of the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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