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Astra.Xtreme    2,874

Actually, a lot of people take is seriously. The government for 1. If they weren't, they would be treating this like they did the Tea Party "Protest". Now those are protest the government didn't take seriously.

And again, a few bad apples doesn't make the whole movement. If you want to say it does, you basically must also have the mindset that all Muslims are terrorist... That all Christians are pedophiles.... That all black people steal...

And here lyes the reason why these protests will never work. If 5 people out of 100 riot, it's automatically assumed that the whole group is rioting. In this country, a protest has to stand strong and peaceful as a whole group. If one person slips, the whole thing is ruined. And seeing as some people are getting murdered and raped, it will never happen. You have to remember that the media is what creates the mindset for a lot of people. And the media is 95% of the time just going to report on the bad things that happen.

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shakey    1,127

And here lyes the reason why these protests will never work. If 5 people out of 100 riot, it's automatically assumed that the whole group is rioting. In this country, a protest has to stand strong and peaceful as a whole group. If one person slips, the whole thing is ruined. And seeing as some people are getting murdered and raped, it will never happen. You have to remember that the media is what creates the mindset for a lot of people. And the media is 95% of the time just going to report on the bad things that happen.

Protest don't have to remain peaceful. They start off peaceful normally, but they don't have to remain that way. You can't accomplish all goals through peace and talks, especially when it is those with no power trying to talk to those with power, while the ones in power just turn away. You can't and will not change anything through peaceful protest in those situations.

America/ns are not above any other nation. We are the same type of human you will find anywhere else. We have the same emotions, same color blood, same number of toes, hands, and whatnot. There is no reason to say, Americans protest need to be peaceful to work. There is nothing to back that up. Again, As I posted earlier. If a protest is heard, and those in power act to work with the citizens it is governing, then a protest can be effective while being peaceful. But if those in power ignore the citizens to the breaking point, then things will go south. That is history. That is fact.

It may not work for the protestors.. The US government is a huge entity, with a huge amount of power. The protest could go violent, and the civilians of this nation could feel the fist of that governments power, in a very raw and horrible way. Or it could go the other way, with the protestors somehow winning, and those in the government feeling the raw power of the citizens.

But to say a protest isn't going to work, because it might turn violent, isn't viable. Violence is what comes out of a protest when the protestors have been ignored for too long.

But just because there are a few bad apples right now, doesn't discredit the movement in any way. If it does, then all the crimes in every city should discredit that state and its population. But it doesn't, because we do not lump in those types of things.

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123456789A    4,710

They just need to get a few ED-209s out there to clear out the protesters.

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nohone    150

I love this! Now the occupy people are complaining they are being called terrorists. This is wonderful. On this very forum, people were calling Tea Party supporters terrorists. The US government with the Most Dear Leader's blessing called Tea Party members and returning soldiers terrorists. Progressives wanted them to "go straight to hell", and was offered help to get there (hmmm, threats of violence). And that was OK, because they were terrorists. They did not embrace the Socialist utopia the Most High Obama wanted, and therefore must be evil.

Now they cry, pout, and stomp their foot because they are accused of being terrorists. I know, I know, it is not fair. The 53% are supposed to just give up what they earned and hand it over to you because you put up your little tents, made some noise, and raped each other. Now they want free therapy bacause they had their feelings hurt when they were kicked out of L.A., and no doubt they will demand U.K. give them the same because they were a label that truely only belongs to the Tea Party people (and, unfortunately, the UK will most likely oblige).

These are the people who were going to save the world, setup a new government, and bring happiness to all. But they are not even strong enough to withstand a little criticism whithout pitching a temper tantrum.

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nominak    982

I love this! Now the occupy people are complaining they are being called terrorists. This is wonderful. On this very forum, people were calling Tea Party supporters terrorists. The US government with the Most Dear Leader's blessing called Tea Party members and returning soldiers terrorists. Progressives wanted them to "go straight to hell", and was offered help to get there (hmmm, threats of violence). And that was OK, because they were terrorists. They did not embrace the Socialist utopia the Most High Obama wanted, and therefore must be evil.

Source?

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shakey    1,127

I love this! Now the occupy people are complaining they are being called terrorists. This is wonderful. On this very forum, people were calling Tea Party supporters terrorists. The US government with the Most Dear Leader's blessing called Tea Party members and returning soldiers terrorists. Progressives wanted them to "go straight to hell", and was offered help to get there (hmmm, threats of violence). And that was OK, because they were terrorists. They did not embrace the Socialist utopia the Most High Obama wanted, and therefore must be evil.

Now they cry, pout, and stomp their foot because they are accused of being terrorists. I know, I know, it is not fair. The 53% are supposed to just give up what they earned and hand it over to you because you put up your little tents, made some noise, and raped each other. Now they want free therapy bacause they had their feelings hurt when they were kicked out of L.A., and no doubt they will demand U.K. give them the same because they were a label that truely only belongs to the Tea Party people (and, unfortunately, the UK will most likely oblige).

These are the people who were going to save the world, setup a new government, and bring happiness to all. But they are not even strong enough to withstand a little criticism whithout pitching a temper tantrum.

I'd rather it be them than someone with your immature mindset. I don't see those at Occupy waving guns around. I don't see those at Occupy calling anyone Nazi's or "monkeys". So ya, bash them all you want, but maturity goes a long way, and anyone with a IQ above 90 will just ignore people like you more often.

Or do we need more people with signs that say, " Keep your government hands off my Medicare!". ????

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eblkheart    15
I don't see those at Occupy calling anyone Nazi's or "monkeys".

Last month at the Occupy Denver rallies that I attended, I saw plenty of protestors calling government officials Nazi's (among other things) and calling the police that were there the Gestapo and the KGB. There was one guy on a bullhorn comparing the local/state government to Nazi government with people cheering him on because of the police presence there. So yes, it did and probably does happen more often than it is reported.

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shakey    1,127

Last month at the Occupy Denver rallies that I attended, I saw plenty of protestors calling government officials Nazi's (among other things) and calling the police that were there the Gestapo and the KGB. There was one guy on a bullhorn comparing the local/state government to Nazi government with people cheering him on because of the police presence there. So yes, it did and probably does happen more often than it is reported.

Well, the police quotes are true. That is how they are acting. There is a reason one of the biggest financial institutions gave a HUGE sum of money to NYPD. It was for this type of protection exactly. So if the police are basically paid for hire, they are acting a lot like how they are being described. Now for the word Nazi, eh, I haven't seen the signs, and those yelling it should be smacked :p We can't say nazi until they start herding us up and taking us to camps. But calling the police KGB and Gestapo is pretty on point with how they have been paid to protect the rich.

http://coupmedia.org/occupy-wall-street/nypd-now-on-big-bank-payroll-1010

I know that link might be a little biased, so please, research it yourself. It isn't fibbing.

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nohone    150

I'd rather it be them than someone with your immature mindset. I don't see those at Occupy waving guns around. I don't see those at Occupy calling anyone Nazi's or "monkeys". So ya, bash them all you want, but maturity goes a long way, and anyone with a IQ above 90 will just ignore people like you more often.

Of course they called people Nazis, because The American Nazi Party endorsed Occupy. If the ANP is at Occupy, I assume they will call each other, and happily be called, Nazis: http://news.yahoo.com/red-white-angry-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-044626630.html

We had things like this:

Or this, which is an interview by David Duke of a woman at Occupy:

They did not have guns?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/party_over_but_more_occupy_arrests_2Ouk2G4BfhM3YnQo5lLuMM

But I guess actually shooting someone does not mean they were "waving it around," right?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2011/1116/UC-Berkeley-shooting-terrifies-Occupy-protesters-students

And they were waving around more than guns:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/133529518.html

But you keep the blinders on, thinking this was just a nice, peaceful, sit-in.

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eblkheart    15

Well, the police quotes are true. That is how they are acting. There is a reason one of the biggest financial institutions gave a HUGE sum of money to NYPD. It was for this type of protection exactly. So if the police are basically paid for hire, they are acting a lot like how they are being described. Now for the word Nazi, eh, I haven't seen the signs, and those yelling it should be smacked :p We can't say nazi until they start herding us up and taking us to camps. But calling the police KGB and Gestapo is pretty on point with how they have been paid to protect the rich.

The thing is...the police that were there weren't doing much of anything except making sure people weren't running out on to the streets and blocking traffic. Other than that, I didn't see *any* force or negativity from the police there when I was there. What I saw coming from the protestors was more appalling and I left in the evening, never to return to the now gone camp... and never to support them again after what I saw.

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shakey    1,127

Of course they called people Nazis, because The American Nazi Party endorsed Occupy. If the ANP is at Occupy, I assume they will call each other, and happily be called, Nazis: http://news.yahoo.co...-044626630.html

We had things like this:

Or this, which is an interview by David Duke of a woman at Occupy:

They did not have guns?

http://www.nypost.co...BfhM3YnQo5lLuMM

But I guess actually shooting someone does not mean they were "waving it around," right?

http://www.csmonitor...esters-students

And they were waving around more than guns:

http://www.katu.com/.../133529518.html

But you keep the blinders on, thinking this was just a nice, peaceful, sit-in.

We have a right to bare arms. But you don't see the things you were seeing from the Tea Party...

Trust me, the Occupy movement is a lot more mature than the Tea Party movement.

But all those remarks are horrible. No one should be like that, and it is sad that some are. But you saw a whole lot more of it from the Tea Party, which was comprised of a much older crowd, that I would hope and think would behave more maturely than a crowd of more young ones....

The thing is...the police that were there weren't doing much of anything except making sure people weren't running out on to the streets and blocking traffic. Other than that, I didn't see *any* force or negativity from the police there when I was there. What I saw coming from the protestors was more appalling and I left in the evening, never to return to the now gone camp... and never to support them again after what I saw.

Were the police in full riot gear? Were they putting on a intimidating presence?

We have a Occupy movement here in Austin. Yes, it does have it's homeless. Yes, it does have the police. But the police here are in regular uniform. They haven't done anything intimidating, except for the 1 midnight removal for "cleaning". But it was still in regular clothes, not swat or riot gear.

Homeless, anti semetic, racist, non racist, hindu, white, black, christian, muslim... All have a right though to protest. They should just do it for the right reasons, and not behind some blind hate or ignorance.

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eblkheart    15

Were the police in full riot gear? Were they putting on a intimidating presence?

To answer both of your questions, nope. I didn't feel threatened nor did I think they look threatening whatsoever.

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dvferret    19

This is purely ridiculous. Never thought a sophisticated country like the UK would do such a thing;

http://digg.com/news...stic_terrorists

Crazysah

LOL! I completely agree with that first sentence. How could it take this long to identify them as domestic terrorists? Pretty obvious as to why they would be labeled that.

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shakey    1,127

To answer both of your questions, nope. I didn't feel threatened nor did I think they look threatening whatsoever.

Where they dressed like

http://upload.wikime...th_vehicle.jpeg

the plain clothes police

or where they dressed like

http://breakthematri...olice-state.jpg

with gear that looked ready for a fight

Because the image of the police can change a crowd as well. For better or worse.

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nohone    150

We have a right to bare arms. But you don't see the things you were seeing from the Tea Party...

Trust me, the Occupy movement is a lot more mature than the Tea Party movement.

But all those remarks are horrible. No one should be like that, and it is sad that some are. But you saw a whole lot more of it from the Tea Party, which was comprised of a much older crowd, that I would hope and think would behave more maturely than a crowd of more young ones....

Were the police in full riot gear? Were they putting on a intimidating presence?

We have a Occupy movement here in Austin. Yes, it does have it's homeless. Yes, it does have the police. But the police here are in regular uniform. They haven't done anything intimidating, except for the 1 midnight removal for "cleaning". But it was still in regular clothes, not swat or riot gear.

Homeless, anti semetic, racist, non racist, hindu, white, black, christian, muslim... All have a right though to protest. They should just do it for the right reasons, and not behind some blind hate or ignorance.

So actually shooting people is mature, while carrying a gun is immature? Yep, got it.

Nobody is saying they don't have a right to protest. But I think that actually shooting people is more hateful than saying "stop taxing me". Of course, I support the Tea Party, so therefore I am a hateful racist, right and don't know as well as a Occupy protester who would do something like the worldly, enlightened person who would do this:

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/11/dallas-police-have-arrested-a.html

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Nerd Rage    546

So actually shooting people is mature, while carrying a gun is immature? Yep, got it.

Indeed! The way some of the Occupy folks have acted, I would never use the term mature to refer to the Occupy movement. To me, the movement is anything but mature.

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nohone    150

Indeed! The way some of the Occupy folks have acted, I would never use the term mature to refer to the Occupy movement. To me, the movement is anything but mature.

And don't forget some of the other mature things they have done. Like using a police car as a toilet. Man, I wish I was that mature.

Which reminds me, some Occupy people were arrested, and while being transported to jail all they had to use a plastic bag to go to the bathroom. They are now planning on suing. Go to the bathroom in a police vehicle, file a law suit, get rich and become one of the 53%! Go to the bathroom on a police vehicle...

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mokthraka    159

Of course they called people Nazis, because The American Nazi Party endorsed Occupy. If the ANP is at Occupy, I assume they will call each other, and happily be called, Nazis: http://news.yahoo.co...-044626630.html

We had things like this:

is that a homosexual nazi?

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M_Lyons10    454

Again, name how you would protest. Tea party didn't protest. They had gatherings. Did their protest accomplish anything? Surely they didn't. The government didn't listen, and their little gatherings didn't make a single change.

Can you show sources for these "several police stabbings"? Cause all I have found, was 1 report that just said, A cop may have been stabbed by a broken bottle. That is just 1 maybe report.

You kid yourself in thinking that protest are supposed to be as civil as possible. They start civil, but slowly get violent as the government shows a deaf ear and blind eye.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest

Here, click that link and learn what protest are. If a protest isn't being acknowledge, it can grow violent, because it does no good to just say, " OK, they ignored us, lets just give up."

I posted what, 20 links, earlier in the thread which I've now referenced SEVERAL TIMES as well. If you can't be bothered to read them, that's your problem, not mine. You seem to have all the time in the world to respond to posts on this subject, but NONE WHATSOEVER to actually do your homework and know what the heck you're talking about...

As for the Tea Party not accomplishing anything, I'm honestly speechless that you're THAT ignorant. They created a political party and backed candidates that ACTUALLY GOT IN... When else has that happened? They have people in Washington now that can effect some influence on government. And they did all this without letting their daily hygiene go down the crapper... They never once had to sleep in their own filth, they never destroyed other people's property or vandalize anything. They never stabbed a police office (Which again, was linked to SEVERAL TIMES a few pages back - not that you'll read it). They never even murdered someone at one of their events... My God, imagine that? They effected some change without acting like uncivilized animals.

I'm often surprised by just how clueless some people can be on these forums, but you my friend, take the cake...

Indeed! The way some of the Occupy folks have acted, I would never use the term mature to refer to the Occupy movement. To me, the movement is anything but mature.

Agreed 100%. I'd actually be embarrassed to be associated with these people.

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