Tom Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 If this is true, this might be some of the most exciting news in physics there has been in a while. e/ Official story released: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16074411 Matthew S. 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted December 8, 2011 MVC Share Posted December 8, 2011 Higgs Boson would be a cool stage name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted December 8, 2011 Subscriber² Share Posted December 8, 2011 Higgs Boson Explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Exciting? Yes! But is it as exciting as the discovery of neutrinos that move faster than light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dotdot Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Exciting? Yes! But is it as exciting as the discovery of neutrinos that move faster than light? Its been debunkt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Last I checked they had proof that they had neutrinos moving ftl, and was asking people to prove them wrong since it was hard to elieve, the only "proof" I've seen against this somfar is a professor saying its impossible with no proof showing why they are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dotdot Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15830844 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Yes, again.they're not actually debunking it or providing any real proof that they aren't. They're just saying that "as we understand physics today, this is not possible". So for the only tangible evidence we have, says they are. Just throwing the laws of physics at real proof isn't enough. Hence why the title says "queried" not disproved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Its been debunkt. Queried, not debunked. Nothing is proven either way yet and probably won't be for some time. Either way, it's a damned exciting time to be a physicist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacon Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 This is exciting - seeing some of the greatest discoveries in physics in my lifetime. I can't wait to see what new data they can extract from the LHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 They've narrowed the energy range within which Higg's could exist, but they haven't actually seen it yet. It's also possible it doesn't exist, which will be the case if it's not found within this narrow range. Either way we get new science. This actually belongs in the Science forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1k3sT Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 LOL @ ppl trying to use science to "prove" their preconceived beliefs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Higgs Boson would be a cool stage name Higg's Bossom would probably put Kim K's to shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 LOL @ ppl trying to use science to "prove" their preconceived beliefs... Fail, big difference between a belief and a theoretical idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1k3sT Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Fail, big difference between a belief and a theoretical idea. So "expecting" to "reveal first glimpses" of something is possible without preconceived beliefs of what you're allegedly revealing? Examples? Honestly, imho, this whole higgs boson belief is just as bad as creationism, if not worse, because it masquerades itself as a belief "proven by science", as if there could even be such a thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 So "expecting" to "reveal first glimpses" of something is possible without preconceived beliefs of what you're allegedly revealing? Examples? Honestly, imho, this whole higgs boson belief is just as bad as creationism, if not worse, because it masquerades itself as a belief "proven by science", as if there could even be such a thing... It's a "theory" that science agrees is "unproven", no masquerading about it. You also ignore the whole "testing" aspect about it as well, which is pretty foolish. There are no testable aspects to creationism. If they dont find the HB, even after this they have options to which they can keep testing or try to come up with different ideas. Science is adaptable while religion doesnt allow for that. You can "believe" it's going to rain tomorrow based on nothing but your gut feeling. Or you can assume it's going to rain tomorrow based on data you collected. It still doesnt mean it's guaranteed to rain but at least with data you have something more to go on then just your gut. That's all this is, based on data someone is expecting to get results. But science also agrees that isnt a guarantee. Science doesnt go crying off in a corner about it if it doesnt happen. They look at the data and either adjust or look at alt ideas. This guy could be very wrong but trying to equate this as a belief in the same boat as a belief in creationism is retarded at best. If that's your opinion then you clearly dont have a understanding of any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farstrider Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 So "expecting" to "reveal first glimpses" of something is possible without preconceived beliefs of what you're allegedly revealing? Examples? Honestly, imho, this whole higgs boson belief is just as bad as creationism, if not worse, because it masquerades itself as a belief "proven by science", as if there could even be such a thing... So when Isaac Newton proposed a mechanical universe with small solid masses in motion, when Michael Faraday Studied the effect of electricity on solutions, coined the term "electrolysis" as a splitting of molecules with electricity, developed laws of electrolysis, when Max Planck used the idea of quanta (discrete units of energy) to explain hot glowing matter! When Albert Einstein published the famous equation E=mc 2, when Ernest Rutherford using alpha particles as atomic bullets, probing the atoms in a piece of thin (0.00006 cm) gold foil. He established that the nucleus was: very dense,very small and positively charged. He also assumed that the electrons were located outside the nucleus. Lastly but not least, when Schrodinger viewed electrons as continuous clouds and introduced "wave mechanics" as a mathematical model of the atom, there were people like you who had the same disdain for "science" and the people involved in it! Seriously dude go read a bit and stop making things up! mudslag 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted December 8, 2011 Veteran Share Posted December 8, 2011 So when Isaac Newton proposed a mechanical universe with small solid masses in motion, when Michael Faraday Studied the effect of electricity on solutions, coined the term "electrolysis" as a splitting of molecules with electricity, developed laws of electrolysis, when Max Planck used the idea of quanta (discrete units of energy) to explain hot glowing matter! When Albert Einstein published the famous equation E=mc 2, when Ernest Rutherford using alpha particles as atomic bullets, probing the atoms in a piece of thin (0.00006 cm) gold foil. He established that the nucleus was: very dense,very small and positively charged. He also assumed that the electrons were located outside the nucleus. Lastly but not least, when Schrodinger viewed electrons as continuous clouds and introduced "wave mechanics" as a mathematical model of the atom, there were people like you who had the same disdain for "science" and the people involved in it! Seriously dude go read a bit and stop making things up! Seeing the passion you write with, science for you must be what art is for me. I dont know why I always find extremely cool seeing people expressing with such passion. Makes me feel there's still hope for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farstrider Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Seeing the passion you write with, science for you must be what art is for me. I dont know why I always find extremely cool seeing people expressing with such passion. Makes me feel there's still hope for some. Why thank you! It's very decent of you to say what you said! What I believe in is, hope and positivity, without these two, we, as a species, go nowhere! Let's hope that all there is to find out, is found out and at the same time to be positive towards the people who put most of their lives into bringing these discoveries to us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagosilva29 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Cool new, bro'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 LOL @ ppl trying to use science to "prove" their preconceived beliefs... What? Before we were able to prove particles existed we knew that they at least theoretically existed. This is no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 ^ Post in Science Tom, in the future. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flash Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Higg's Bossom would probably put Kim K's to shame. Look at that mASS! As others have said, these are exciting times indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurupy Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 So when Isaac Newton proposed a mechanical universe with small solid masses in motion, when Michael Faraday Studied the effect of electricity on solutions, coined the term "electrolysis" as a splitting of molecules with electricity, developed laws of electrolysis, when Max Planck used the idea of quanta (discrete units of energy) to explain hot glowing matter! When Albert Einstein published the famous equation E=mc 2, when Ernest Rutherford using alpha particles as atomic bullets, probing the atoms in a piece of thin (0.00006 cm) gold foil. He established that the nucleus was: very dense,very small and positively charged. He also assumed that the electrons were located outside the nucleus. Lastly but not least, when Schrodinger viewed electrons as continuous clouds and introduced "wave mechanics" as a mathematical model of the atom, there were people like you who had the same disdain for "science" and the people involved in it! Seriously dude go read a bit and stop making things up! I understood most of this because i watch The Big Bang Theory :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Queried, not debunked. Nothing is proven either way yet and probably won't be for some time. Either way, it's a damned exciting time to be a physicist! Read, learn: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=532620 LOL @ ppl trying to use science to "prove" their preconceived beliefs... Science built your computer, .... So "expecting" to "reveal first glimpses" of something is possible without preconceived beliefs of what you're allegedly revealing? Examples? Honestly, imho, this whole higgs boson belief is just as bad as creationism, if not worse, because it masquerades itself as a belief "proven by science", as if there could even be such a thing... Study and learn the maths behind what led physicists to the Higgs Boson conclusion and then come back and talk.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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