mr_daemon Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Macromedia products use MDI in a way I like. Last time I check, dreamweaver was on the "We're floating in the air" buisness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexor Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Last time I check, dreamweaver was on the "We're floating in the air" buisness... nah, your are talking old version, at least on windows Fireworks 6 is in one window, but I really like the way they made it. as for above argument about colour: Fireworks is a simple app? Fine, buy why did the colour in it matched print (as I said before) and photophot didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 nah, your are talking old version, at least on windows Fireworks 6 is in one window, but I really like the way they made it.as for above argument about colour: Fireworks is a simple app? Fine, buy why did the colour in it matched print (as I said before) and photophot didn't? Yes, the new Macromedia apps are all switching to MDI. I know it is like this on PC and I am pretty sure the same thing is happeneing with the Mac version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_daemon Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 You're right, it's now MDI -- but I agree, it's REALLY well done o.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 as for above argument about colour:Fireworks is a simple app? Fine, buy why did the colour in it matched print (as I said before) and photophot didn't? Either you didn't setup color calibration in photoshop, or you have cheap gear, or you Windows color management over-rides photoshop color management. Do you really think photoshop would have become the standard pre-press application if professionals couldn't count on it's output? --- I don't have a copy of Windows near me to try out the dreamweaver mx 2004 demo. On the mac it's still 'one document, one window', i'd consider upgrading if it weren't for the product activation crap they're trying to force on me. I'll take the ranting/praise about mdi and dreamweaver (macromedia in general) at face value and assume they've fixed the issues with it. That still doesn't change the fact that the 'big' applications used in graphics: Illustrator, Quark, photoshop, indesign, combustion, priemier... etc all use the old broken MDI with all it's warts and flaws. EDIT: broked quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDose Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 I haven't gone thru all the threads, but offer this thought: Outputing postscript to the rip was much better, no -way better on a Mac. Windows just sucked, it couldn't write clean postscript. Early on most service bureaus wouldn't even take on a pc file. That was then, this is now; more and more service bureaus will take on PC files because windows is doing a better job of postscript output and people creating those pc files are more educated in building a proper file to print. But it sure took awhile to get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilmas Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 One thing that seems to be floating around the mac world that needs to be discussed. All MAC users seem to not know much about hardware. They think that Apple makes the hardware, they just simply don't. The only thing apple makes is the OS. The mobo and proc is made by IBM (g5) and everything else is the same as pc hardware. So actually the newer macs (g5) is a hybrid mutt. It uses WD Hardrives, DDR ram, ATI video cards, adaptec scsi controllers, IBM mobos and procs, etc. Alot of the same stuff that's in a windows pc. So whoever thinks that MAC hardware is just plain out better, they have no clue what they're talking about. Most MAC users are artists, that's fine, it's the tool to use (or used to be anyway), but they are not at all technical, actually are very uneducated about how their machine actually works and who makes the hardware. The ONLY reason a MAC may work so called "better" with it's hardware is because you can't upgrade much and all the drivers are included in the OS for that particualr machine, that's the only reason, it is not because the hardware is of better quality. Now that being said, it won't be long before all computers are basically identical in terms of being able to handle any given task at any given time, it's already happening and the PC's are getting the better end of it. In a few years when your mac is outdated, you won't be able to upgrade it to bring it up to par and you will have to spend all those thousands of dollars all over again for a new machine, but not for a well thought out and built PC. Not taking any sides, just stating facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 One thing that seems to be floating around the mac world that needs to be discussed. All MAC users seem to not know much about hardware. They think that Apple makes the hardware, they just simply don't. The only thing apple makes is the OS. The mobo and proc is made by IBM (g5) and everything else is the same as pc hardware. So actually the newer macs (g5) is a hybrid mutt. It uses WD Hardrives, DDR ram, ATI video cards, adaptec scsi controllers, IBM mobos and procs, etc. Alot of the same stuff that's in a windows pc. So whoever thinks that MAC hardware is just plain out better, they have no clue what they're talking about. Most MAC users are artists, that's fine, it's the tool to use (or used to be anyway), but they are not at all technical, actually are very uneducated about how their machine actually works and who makes the hardware. The ONLY reason a MAC may work so called "better" with it's hardware is because you can't upgrade much and all the drivers are included in the OS for that particualr machine, that's the only reason, it is not because the hardware is of better quality. Now that being said, it won't be long before all computers are basically identical in terms of being able to handle any given task at any given time, it's already happening and the PC's are getting the better end of it. In a few years when your mac is outdated, you won't be able to upgrade it to bring it up to par and you will have to spend all those thousands of dollars all over again for a new machine, but not for a well thought out and built PC. Not taking any sides, just stating facts. #1 I have never met anyone who didn't know the hardware in their computer. My 'proc' is made by motorola, hitatchi hd, samsung RAM, nVidia graphics, blah blah blah. As for a laptop, I could care less who makes the components, it is who made the machine as a whole that interests me. And as for quality, a powerbook g4 is by far the most perfectly crafted laptop I have ever seen. #2 If we all have the exact same hardware as PC users then why won't we be able to upgrade out systems? You might want to do a little research before you make an idiot out of yourself any further. People upgrade Macs just as much as they upgrade PCs. they have no clue what they're talking about. quick, go to the bathroom, I am sure there is a mirror in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 #1 I have never met anyone who didn't know the hardware in their computer. My 'proc' is made by motorola, hitatchi hd, samsung RAM, nVidia graphics, blah blah blah. As for a laptop, I could care less who makes the components, it is who made the machine as a whole that interests me. And as for quality, a powerbook g4 is by far the most perfectly crafted laptop I have ever seen.#2 If we all have the exact same hardware as PC users then why won't we be able to upgrade out systems? You might want to do a little research before you make an idiot out of yourself any further. People upgrade Macs just as much as they upgrade PCs. quick, go to the bathroom, I am sure there is a mirror in there. #1 Actually, I think he?s right. Most Mac users don?t have a clue about what?s going on inside their systems. #2 He said "upgrade much" and he?s right. Mac users have like 10% of the choice (variety) in hardware of PC users. He didn?t "make an idiot out of himself" like you said. What you should do is try to leave your mac fanboyism at home before posting. Don?t start flaming people for exposing facts (that you may or might no like). P.S. I?m a PC and Mac user, just for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle-dude Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Macs still have better universal color correction/callibration built into the OS and they have better print preview functionality given that their display system is based on Display PDF techology with printshop markings/guidelines for multipass print process. Those are two of the main reasons why they are used in the graphics for print industry. Plus the better use of workspace issue already raised in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 How did this thread come up from the dead like that?! The argument about knowing hardware is funny. Altho its kinda a ridiculous statement to make, on a tech forum like this one, its part of the reason each and every member *IS* here. So I'd expect each and every Mac user to know about their computer, much like any PC users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted February 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2004 Yeah, let's not dredge up old topics, m'kay? If you want to discuss, make a new topic. Topic closed - timdorr fro moderating industries :fro: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I can add replys even tho its closed, go me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilmas Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I knew that was most likely going to be the reply. Yes you are correct, the proc is manufactured by motorola to IBM's specs for IBM. That is the more correct way to put it. And again, just to let you know, a MAC is just not a more superlative machine, the OS, well that's debatable. I really have no real preference on what machine I use, I just have no use for a MAC since I am a network technician who works on NT and active directory networks, can't do anything with a MAC there. Color renditions? Windows is the same as MAC for that, it's in the application software not the OS. You know what the real difference in color is? It's the Macintosh gamma that you ONLY see on your screen, makes no difference in print. It's all in the software used and the hardware used for printing (i.e. THE PRINTER). We can argue this all day, but it's the truth. Now, PC's may be a bit slower at converting RGB to CMYK (so I've been told) but it's the damn same once it's converted. I bet you I can make a graphic and you would never be able to tell what machine it was made on, same goes for audio/video. Like so many people have stated, even die hard mac users, MAC's don't have "creativity" chips on them that make the artist better, it's all up to the artist/musician to be creative. Now a streamlined OS for productivity in those areas, maybe OS X has Windows in that arena, but a savvy user can set up their windows machines to accomplish these tasks. It's not the Windows PC users that keep us all seperated, it's the "high on themselves artsy fartsy stuck up MAC users" that do it. They also ruin it for the real people who use MACs and don't care what other people use. sheesh. I kinda blame Apple for all of this, it's them who wants to be segregated from the majority, not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilmas Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I'm with you on the dredged up from the dead thing. I'm just tired of hearing that "apple makes better quality hardware" that's all...Thanks guys/gals. Later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I'm with you on the dredged up from the dead thing. I'm just tired of hearing that "apple makes better quality hardware" that's all...Thanks guys/gals. Later LOL, but you dredged it up. :unsure: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 #1 Actually, I think he?s right. Most Mac users don?t have a clue about what?s going on inside their systems.#2 He said "upgrade much" and he?s right. Mac users have like 10% of the choice (variety) in hardware of PC users. He didn?t "make an idiot out of himself" like you said. What you should do is try to leave your mac fanboyism at home before posting. Don?t start flaming people for exposing facts (that you may or might no like). P.S. I?m a PC and Mac user, just for the record. Why do they only have 10 percent of the choice? I had a dual 450 g4 that I upgraded for awhile and I had just as much choice as I wanted. There was nothing I was limited in that I can remember. HD, RAM, Video card, optical drives, they all worked. WTF are you talking about? They are not facts, they are wrong. Hey, 2 plus 2 is 10... suck it up dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I knew that was most likely going to be the reply. Yes you are correct, the proc is manufactured by motorola to IBM's specs for IBM. That is the more correct way to put it. And again, just to let you know, a MAC is just not a more superlative machine, the OS, well that's debatable. I really have no real preference on what machine I use, I just have no use for a MAC since I am a network technician who works on NT and active directory networks, can't do anything with a MAC there. Color renditions? Windows is the same as MAC for that, it's in the application software not the OS. You know what the real difference in color is? It's the Macintosh gamma that you ONLY see on your screen, makes no difference in print. It's all in the software used and the hardware used for printing (i.e. THE PRINTER). We can argue this all day, but it's the truth. Now, PC's may be a bit slower at converting RGB to CMYK (so I've been told) but it's the damn same once it's converted. I bet you I can make a graphic and you would never be able to tell what machine it was made on, same goes for audio/video. Like so many people have stated, even die hard mac users, MAC's don't have "creativity" chips on them that make the artist better, it's all up to the artist/musician to be creative. Now a streamlined OS for productivity in those areas, maybe OS X has Windows in that arena, but a savvy user can set up their windows machines to accomplish these tasks. It's not the Windows PC users that keep us all seperated, it's the "high on themselves artsy fartsy stuck up MAC users" that do it. They also ruin it for the real people who use MACs and don't care what other people use. sheesh. I kinda blame Apple for all of this, it's them who wants to be segregated from the majority, not us. God people, go do research before you post. What Neyo said was perfectly correct and you are missing the point. BTW, just to maybe aid you in looking a little smarter than you really are, it's not "MAC," it's "Mac," as in an abbreviation for Macintosh. A MAC is something completely different. I couldn't care less what machine people use, what I do care about is ignorant people making false claims with no facts just to put down something they A, have no experience with and B, don't like just because it's different. BTW, let's not even take a look at who is in the Mac forum putting Macs down. Nice try troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Allen Veteran Posted February 24, 2004 Author Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2004 Why had this been resurrected? *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabaTime Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 umm that is a real good question I tihnk because Mac's are so very put together, they actually work alot better than PC's with my expierence and you can depend on them You gotta love the apple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDose Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 Main reasons macs are used in graphics and publishing:-better PDF and Postscript support pdf is postscript, and the cleanest postscript code you can find. the reason mac's are so popular is that the os has a lot to do with writing the code. I'm no expert and not sure how, but experience dictates that. I started in a prepress shop. being the only person in the shop with any pc experience, i was given every pc job to rip to film, or make colour keys or bluelines etc. Let me tell you, it was more than once that i've converted the file to pdf and put it on a mac so it would print correctly. Thats the issue, it's not a really a graphics thing, it that postscript rips better from a mac. period! Now xp does a better job of it, and i have multiple machines with multiple os's. If i'm working on a web project, i don't care what machine i use. but if i'm doing a print job it's straight to the mac. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 Why do they only have 10 percent of the choice? I had a dual 450 g4 that I upgraded for awhile and I had just as much choice as I wanted. There was nothing I was limited in that I can remember. HD, RAM, Video card, optical drives, they all worked. WTF are you talking about?They are not facts, they are wrong. Hey, 2 plus 2 is 10... suck it up dumbass. I don?t need to resort to insults when I?m discussing some subject, that?s an indicative of insecurity... Hard Drives and Ram yes you can, but not video cards, sound cards, mobos. PCs are so much more versatile. But whatever, think what you will, I don?t whant to contradict you oh great Mac Gur:rolleyes:yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 Why are Mac's "better" than a PC in Graphics?, there is a way to filter with the board such kind of questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 I don?t need to resort to insults when I?m discussing some subject, that?s an indicative of insecurity...Hard Drives and Ram yes you can, but not video cards, sound cards, mobos. PCs are so much more versatile. But whatever, think what you will, I don?t whant to contradict you oh great Mac Gur:rolleyes:yes: high on themselves artsy fartsy stuck up MAC users Sounds like an insulting statement to m:rolleyes:yes: Why not video cards? I upgraded my previous Mac from a rage 128 to a 9000 pro, There are also 9600, and 9800 series and there are many Mac versions of Nvidia cards too. Which cards do you want so bad to put in Mac that is not available. You can contradict me all you want, doesn't me you are any more right. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadishTM Veteran Posted February 25, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 25, 2004 Looks like Timdorr forgot to apply the 'Close Thread' option :laugh: Thread Closed Radish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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