Timan Veteran Share Posted October 1, 2003 Dazzla knows his math :p least i know 1 + 1 = 3 ;) Link to post Share on other sites

bangbang023 Veteran Share Posted October 1, 2003 Like I said, this will never hold up in science, but it CAN be done with some interpretation of the values of fractions. Link to post Share on other sites

ericnkatz Author Share Posted October 1, 2003 10x=9.9999 true (Y) (N) LMAO! 10(.9999)-.9999=99(.9999)=8.991 therefore 9=8.991 is not correct Totally misunderstood... This is the stupidest NO reasoning i have ever read Acording to you .0 reapeating + 1 is greater then .0 repeating When in fact, If something repeats infinetly there is no way you could add something to the end like a 1 So in fact .9 repeating = 1 Because there are no numbers in between the 2 Think about it .99999999999999999999999999999- repeating Cannot be .0000000000000000000000000 -repeating +1 Away from 1 If what you said is right you dont understand the idea of Infinity Link to post Share on other sites

Samoa Share Posted October 1, 2003 10x=9.9999 true (Y) (N) LMAO! 10(.9999)-.9999=99(.9999)=8.991 therefore 9=8.991 is not correct Totally misunderstood... This is the stupidest NO reasoning i have ever read Acording to you .0 reapeating + 1 is greater then .0 repeating When in fact, If something repeats infinetly there is no way you could add something to the end like a 1 So in fact .9 repeating = 1 Because there are no numbers in between the 2 Think about it .99999999999999999999999999999- repeating Cannot be .0000000000000000000000000 -repeating +1 Away from 1 If what you said is right you dont understand the idea of Infinity if you can't refrain from insulting others to get your point across please do not post. You have taken my calculations out of context. So therefore your post is invalid, and are claiming a something that is false. keep thanking people there dazzla... .0 + 1 = 1 and is therefore greater than just .0, if you repeat the 0, and add 1 it will always be true. Cause 0 is always 0 0.0000000000000000000000 = 0 therefore .999999999999999999 is not equal to 1 Link to post Share on other sites

bangbang023 Veteran Share Posted October 1, 2003 Thank you! lol you can't sleep until they accept it huh dazzla? Link to post Share on other sites

ericnkatz Author Share Posted October 1, 2003 Dazzla and anyone who believes that .9999 is the same as 1, needs to go back to school or should not have dropped out.I showed your calculations were incorrect, and you laugh cause you think I'm wrong??? Please. Calculators don't lie. LOL if you can't refrain from insulting others to get your point across please do not post.You have taken my calculations out of context. So therefore your post is invalid, and are claiming a something that is false. Look at the top most quote and tell me i dropped out and i should go back to school once more and then go ahead and tell me to refrain from insults.. God Bless them hypocrits.. Link to post Share on other sites

Samoa Share Posted October 1, 2003 You have taken my calculations out of context. So therefore your post is invalid, and are claiming a something that is false.keep thanking people there dazzla... .0 + 1 = 1 and is therefore greater than just .0, if you repeat the 0, and add 1 it will always be true. Cause 0 is always 0 0.0000000000000000000000 = 0 therefore .999999999999999999 is not equal to 1 sorry I wasn't quick to post for you to read before you posted... Link to post Share on other sites

Samoa Share Posted October 1, 2003 Dazzla and anyone who believes that .9999 is the same as 1, needs to go back to school or should not have dropped out.I showed your calculations were incorrect, and you laugh cause you think I'm wrong??? Please. Calculators don't lie. LOL if you can't refrain from insulting others to get your point across please do not post. You have taken my calculations out of context. So therefore your post is invalid, and are claiming a something that is false. Look at the top most quote and tell me i dropped out and i should go back to school once more and then go ahead and tell me to refrain from insults..God Bless them hypocrits.. True, to a point. I was repeating an insult. therefore I was wrong, I willl avoid doing that in the furture, thanks. this is where I got that school remark from...btw where the hell did you go to school?If you subtract something from one side you also have to subtract it from the other side. You can't just make up your own rules. Link to post Share on other sites

Bubbo Share Posted October 1, 2003 Dazzla and anyone who believes that .9999 is the same as 1, needs to go back to school or should not have dropped out. That's funny since it was at school that I was taught that 0.999..... = 1, and the school I goto happens to be one of the best in the country. Link to post Share on other sites

Samoa Share Posted October 1, 2003 That's funny since it was at school that I was taught that 0.999..... = 1, and the school I goto happens to be one of the best in the country. LOL :laugh: Link to post Share on other sites

OPaul Share Posted October 1, 2003 That's funny since it was at school that I was taught that 0.999..... = 1, and the school I goto happens to be one of the best in the country. Was it an algebra class where they told you that? Because according to calculus .999... does not equal 1, seeing as calculus is a higher math then algebra I can only come to the conclusion algebra is wrong in this instance. Link to post Share on other sites

Samoa Share Posted October 1, 2003 .9999... never reaches 1, so therefore is not ever equal to 1. most people in the poll clearly understand this. So far nothing has been proven other than 1 is equal to 1. Link to post Share on other sites

+StevoFC MVC Share Posted October 1, 2003 .9999... never reaches 1, so therefore is not ever equal to 1.most people in the poll clearly understand this. So far nothing has been proven other than 1 is equal to 1. yep that's right. .9 repeating definately is not equal to 1. maybe to someone in algebra they could think it is due to the whole X/9 = .X repeating thing so therefor you would assume that 9/9 could equal .9 repeating when in fact it equals 1 and nothing else. it's just common sense. Link to post Share on other sites

Samoa Share Posted October 1, 2003 .9999... never reaches 1, so therefore is not ever equal to 1.most people in the poll clearly understand this. So far nothing has been proven other than 1 is equal to 1. yep that's right. .9 repeating definately is not equal to 1. maybe to someone in algebra they could think it is due to the whole X/9 = .X repeating thing so therefor you would assume that 9/9 could equal .9 repeating when in fact it equals 1 and nothing else. it's just common sense. yep that's correct... 9/9 = 1 and not .9999999...repeating :D Link to post Share on other sites

caerma Share Posted October 1, 2003 0.9999999999999999....99999999999 = 1 :p Link to post Share on other sites

Samoa Share Posted October 1, 2003 0.9999999999999999....99999999999 = 1 :p :no: Link to post Share on other sites

ericnmu Share Posted October 2, 2003 depends on the aplication. as a math question, no it does not. Link to post Share on other sites

ericnkatz Author Share Posted October 2, 2003 Wow I understand the concept that the people that say "No" are coming from because it took me a year just to agree with it myself, but I still believe those that say No are incorrect, because in order for that to be possible you would have to have Infinite number of 0s and a 1 at the end to be the difference between the 2 actual numbers. And that in itself is contradictory to the idea of infinity. Is it hard to swallow that you cannot have .00 [going on infintely]......1 And therefore if there is no difference between the 2 numbers they must be the same :ninja: Can someone post how it isnt applied in Calculus ? Because im not gonna lie im in high school and havent taken calculus yet, and therefore i dont understand why teachers who teach .999 [Repeating] would lie to us, without even mentioning the fact that calculus nulifies this theorem. Proxy [Also] Not quite sure that anyone has any proof that .9999 [repeating] doesnt equal 1 besides this " 1=1"".99999 ...9999 = .99999 ...9999" Link to post Share on other sites

bangbang023 Veteran Share Posted October 2, 2003 0.9999... if that isn't equal to 1, what can you add to it to make it equal? Link to post Share on other sites

ericnkatz Author Share Posted October 2, 2003 I'm going to go through Dazzla's proof step by step to see if I understand it x = .9999999999 multiply both sides by 10 to get: 10x = 9.9999999999 then subtract x from both sides, but since x = .9999999999 either value can be subtracted, so subtract x from the left side and .9999999999 from the right side: 10x -1x = 9.9999999999 - .9999999999 9x = 9 then divide both sides by 9: 9x/9 = 9/9 x = 1 and from above x= .999999999 = 1 so then yes I see how .9999999999 = 1 Link to post Share on other sites

ike Share Posted October 2, 2003 (edited) my first thought is that .9 repeating is similar to one of the first things you learn in calculus, limits. which is basically saying that certain functions can get infinitely closer to a number but can never reach it. i always had a really hard time accepting this, but that's beside the point. (i took 1 semester of calculus in high school...dropped it at the semester) after looking around on the web, i've seen some reputable seeming sites refer to whole numbers with a repeating 9 as being equal. for example, wolfram research: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RepeatingDecimal.html look down to the part that says "Numbers such as 0.5 are sometimes regarded as "... (it basically says "0.5 = 0.50000 (zero repeating) = 0.49999 (9 repeating)") i think this goes against most anything i've been taught, heh. it just seems that 0.99999 repeating would get infinitely closer to 1, but never reach it. i must learn more!! :unsure: Edited October 2, 2003 by ike Link to post Share on other sites

un4given1 Share Posted October 2, 2003 You are all taking theories into account. I do not care what anyone has to say about repeating 0's with a one at the end. "if it's repeating zero's how can it ever have a one at the end" well, if it's repeating 9's how can it ever be 1? You are all trying to play the theories of mathematics to prove that repeating 9's equals 1, but you rule out the obvious answers. Granted that the difference between repeating 9's and 1 are so minisculy close that it's easiest to just say that they are equal, but anyone with common sense can look at it and see that they are NOT equal. Put it on a graph and you will see that it never reaches 1. It comes close, but never will reach it. Link to post Share on other sites

ike Share Posted October 2, 2003 ok open up calc.exe you should probably be in scientific mode, View | Scientific copy the following string to the clipboard, then ctrl-v it in calculator: (1/3)*10= (betcha didn't know you could do that!!) ok now that we're on the same page, CLEAR THE CALC (hit Esc or press the red button that says C) and then copy this and paste it: ((1/3)*10)-(1/3)= the display will say 3. now CLEAR THE CALC and copy this and paste it into the calc: ((1/3)*10)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)= this is 3.333repeating * 10, minus .333repeating, 9 times the display will say 0.33333333333333333333333333333333 for extra fun, CLEAR THE CALC and copy this and paste it into the calc: 3-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)-(1/3)= this is the whole number 3 minus .333repeating, 8 times the display will still say 0.33333333333333333333333333333333 (i'm far too lazy to get my TI89 out of my car) Link to post Share on other sites

ike Share Posted October 2, 2003 oh you can manually type in all that crap if you want, if you don't believe the results. was just trying to make your lives easier ;) i still must deal with the wolfram research page though :blink: :unsure: :blink: :unsure: Link to post Share on other sites

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