Altered Liquidus


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Jeez, wickedkitten your not gettin something here, he didnt change three things and call it his own, he admits that it was made by unspec and gives full credit, all he did was change the way the start bar works to look more like aqua, and he hasnt even released it yet. Put it this way, what if you were to buy some pants but they were too long, so you get them hemmed, you altered them... is Ralph Lauren or Tommy Hillfigure gonna come knockin at your door cause you changed they're design a little! Everyone rips someone else off once in there life, its not hard to find just look in today's media.. you people are truly sad for getting mad at something so insignificant.... its not like he changed the American flag to have blue stripes instead of red! so please SHUT UP!:)

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Originally posted by KZar

Put it this way, what if you were to buy some pants but they were too long, so you get them hemmed, you altered them... is Ralph Lauren or Tommy Hillfigure gonna come knockin at your door cause you changed they're design a little!

you people are truly sad for getting mad at something so insignificant.... its not like he changed the American flag to have blue stripes instead of red! so please SHUT UP!:)

Your use of analogy is lame. The proper one would be if you took some Ralph Lauren pants and hemmed them then put YOUR name on them and tried giving them away, and you can be damn sure that people would come after your ass for it as well.

"Everyone rips someone else off once in there life, its not hard to find just look in today's media.. you people are truly sad for getting mad at something so insignificant"

you spend any amount of time doing something creative and have someone come along and rip you off and we'll see if you have the same attitude.

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Jebus Christ!

He said from the start what the intentions were. He said he altered the theme a little for himself, which is perfectly fine. He gave full credit to the author. He's not releasing it. He was just merely showing what he did to it, and asking for an opinion. Sounds simple enough to me.

Give the guy a friggin' break. It's for his own use. He can do whatever he wants, it's a theme.

I like the changes by the way. A lil easier on the eyes, and a little smoother. If you get permission from unspec then I'd totally give her a whirl.

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step 1: turn off computer

step 2: go out, walk around. maybe notice nature's beauty or the sheer genius of past architecture greats.

get a life guys. some guy just modified a theme for his own personal use and wanted to see if there was any interest in it. he stated quite up front what was happening and who's theme it was. jesus, everyone just settle.

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hi wickedkitten. i'm sorry if you think i stole your boyfriend's idea and used it as my own, but i said from the start that i'm taking no credit for this theme. i didn't even change the name of it. it's an altered liquidus. i'm not sending this out (even though people have private messaged me for it), and i continue to state that i did not create this theme. i don't know what more you want. i have talked to unspec and cleared everything up with him. btw, it was a lot more than just three changes. if you look at the toolbar and the taskbar, you'll notice more changes than just 3. i've added borders to this style, as well as changed the seperator, and also the pinstriping is different, the taskbar buttons are different, yada yada. nonetheless, it was unspec's great style that made this possible for me. i took the best and altered it to my liking, just like many people changed color schemes in classic windows. not everyone has the same tastes in everything, which is why windows XP is so great. because you can change the way it looks/feels the way you want it. as a skin author, i'm sure unspec feels this way. just try to understand that i never tried to take credit for anything here. the only reason i even considered releasing this theme was because i read on other posts that he didn't mind, which was a misunderstanding, and entirely my fault. i did not read the readme file that came with liquidus.

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It's all settled now, i don't think there is really any more to be said.

BTW there has been an update.

I posted the URL in the Liquidus update thread.

Time to close this one i think :)

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Originally posted by paegoo

i know i'm gonna get flamed for this, but i altered unspec's Liquidus style. i love his style but some parts bugged me so i changed them. i'm in no way trying to take credit for this style, because i borrowed a lot of graphics from other various styles including AquaXP, EclipseOSX, and binary's screenshot of AquaOS. i know it doesn't look exactly like OSX, but i realize that copying OSX exactly might be hard in XP, so i just altered some of Liquidus' work. i changed it to my own liking, and i wanted to show you all, but if it offends anyone, i will take it down. again, i am taking no credit whatsoever for this style. i want to give credit for all graphics i used to their respective owners. i'm trying to upload it to themexp.org but i guess it's down. maybe i'll try again later. please don't kill me :)

http://www.geocities.com/paegooo/alteredliquidus.png

I was not going to, but i really must reply to this thread. Once there was this guy, his name was Bill Gates. He bought software from here and there, muzzled it together and came up with DOS. There was this other guy, who made a kernel, said hey, use it and modify it, and make it better for all of us!!! The first guy is a millionaire who we - i think - dislike while we give the other dude cheers up mate.

People's minds sure aren't ready for GNU and related software issues.

Paegoo started this thread stating more about "copyright" than actually saying anything about his mod. Isn't that what we all do, copying an interface? If the design theme from Apple came here, man they would flame or laugh their asses off. Geez, grow up. Work together. Help each other. He stated it enough. If someone now comes up with an aqua theme, it's almost impossible to be original, because everything made is already a clone.

Well, hopefully Paegoo releases it, and there are many possibilities to state what he altered, like a text file etc.

Greetz.

Da Fonz

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i've tried to play nice and keep my cool. i've apologized even though it probably wasn't necessary. but people like wickedkitten make it hard. constant accusations of things i didn't do is just plain ignorant. all of your points are invalid or not true. how have i tried to release this as my own when 1. i didn't even change the name of it and 2. i've stated all along the way whose work it was? the funny thing is, what i made was an altered copy of an altered copy. 100% of all the OSX skins are rips. rip offs of Apple and each other. the only difference is i gave credit to who i ripped off. would any of you have even known that i used Liquidus in that screenshot? i could have altered this skin, changed the name, and released it like 95% of the OSX skin authors and no one would have said a word. but i didn't. why? because i thought this Neowin community was about sharing each other's works and ideas. it's sad to think that i can't even share my ideas with anyone unless it's 100% original (even though Liquidus is not). if anyone deserves credit here, it should be apple and their fantastic design team. but i gave unspec credit for this skin out of respect and i thank him for all his hard work. how could i be any more clear? KZar's analogy about the pants/jeans was not lame. it's the same deal here. i downloaded a skin (he bought a pair of pants), i liked it but it needed a little change (his didn't fit), i altered it (he hemmed it), i showed it (he wore it), i gave credit to the author (he flashes his ralph lauren badge). this whole pseudo-controversy is just silly. it's like stealing an already stolen car, and it's just getting stupid. so if any of you want this skin, just send me an private message.

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oh, and just to warn you people that want me to send this style. i only changed parts that i use and only in the graphite style. if you want a vertical taskbar or shellstyles or what have you, then you're gonna have to do it on your own. or you can make a suggestion and i'll see what i can do. there might be a lot of bugs and useless files in the compilation and whether it's optimized for speed or not, i have no clue. the title bar has a bit of transparencies and i'm sure that might slow it down a bit. i can't really tell on a 1ghz machine. but i'm sure you all have faster computers anyway. also, i want to thank all the nice people that stuck up for me.

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Originally posted by unspec

*sigh*

I thought this was all sorted.

I see you've changed your mind paegoo.

I now entirely regret sharing so much of my work.

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unspec

a person can only take so much crap before they lose it, and he's lost it (quite).

read his first post....he's cool

wickedkitten....take a chill pill darlin.

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Liquidus Theme for XP

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by unspec

Feel free to rip it apart and use it to come up with your own versions. It took a long time to do the graphics (and learn to use Stylebuilder for the first time) and I wouldn't want to do it again. It's silly to hoard a set of pixels.

I only ask a few things.

1. Drop me an email to say what and how you are doing, if you've thought of a great use for them (or improved them) I'd love to hear how you did it.

2. If you're using stuff others have put together, give the poor people who slaved away a mention.

2. Pass on these conditions when you make your theme/VS/login etc etc

where did i go wrong?

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you went wrong by not counting on idiots who don't bother to read the read me file that liquidus originally came in, and feel like they're 'bettering the community' by crying RIP all the time.

don't worry paegoo, we all love you :)

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the whole debate is pointless. OS X is a rip in the first place.

all the author of a theme who put in the time to take the images from many screenshots and put them in a format that the windows xp visual styles engine can use is that you drop them a line and let them know. i know for me personally, that i don't mind at all when people use images from a skin of mine (which originally came from OS X anyway) but i would like them to just send them a quick email to ask, let me know how they are using the images, show me their skin before they release it, and include a reference to the original skin, email, and website.

really not much to ask and no reason to get all upset about rips.

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i'm glad you feel this way disciple. because i used the frames and taskbar from your theme. i think i'll use yours as a base theme to modify. this way, wickedkitten won't be so ****ed, and unspec won't feel like i ripped him off. i'll notify you and get your permission if/when i decide to release it. hope you don't mind. thanks in advance. the changes will probably be very similar to my screenshots, so what's the point? i don't know, i just don't feel welcomed using unspec's pixels anymore.

i love you too scorcho. haha :)

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I only ask a few things.

1. Drop me an email to say what and how you are doing, if you've thought of a great use for them (or improved them) I'd love to hear how you did it

The first time i hear about this was reading it in the forums. To this day you've not emailed me.

Wickedkitten was a little zelous in defending me, but she was only upset because she has watched me for months carefully making the images used in the Visual Style. Obviously she wasn't happy when someone was offering to upload their own version of the style.

Disciple put it this way...

i would like them to just send them a quick email to ask, let me know how they are using the images, show me their skin before they release it, and include a reference to the original skin, email, and website.

I think it was less what you did and more of the way in which you did it that upset some.

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i've stopped using your skin, unspec. i'm using disciple's skin as my base skin and i'm not going to pass it out, nor did i pass out the older one. in any case, there's absolutely no graphics from your skin in this one, except for the ones disciple used in his own. sorry about that last post, i was getting annoyed. not with you, but with wickedkitten. how about we just let this thread die yah?

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and by the way, i didn't email you, but i did private message you. i didn't have your email address at the time, and i don't see the difference between private messaging and emailing.

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and by the way, i didn't email you, but i did private message you. i didn't have your email address at the time, and i don't see the difference between private messaging and emailing.
You private messaged me long after you started this thread, you could have PM'ed me at any time, but you chose not to. I don't see how not PMing me before is better than not emailing me before.
how about we just let this thread die yah?

Then why the PM/Email defence?

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the day i private messaged you was the same EXACT day i posted on this forum. check your PM date and the first post date. and hkey_root is right, this stupid pseudo-controversy is pointless. i'm not even going to answer to it anymore. i'm not using your liquidus and i'm not even releasing it. what is it that you want? an apology? cuz you got that already from me. do you want monetary compensation? you can have all your glory if you want. it's only a stupid skin. it's like a guy giving away his car, and after seeing the new owner modding it, wants it back.

how the hell do i kill a thread?

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man i had tons of grammar errors in my post. here's the way it should have read:

"the whole debate is pointless. OS X is a rip in the first place.

all the author of a style (who put in the time to take the images from many screenshots and put them in a format that the windows xp visual styles engine can use) asks is that you drop them a line and let them know (prior to doing anything with the skin). i know for me personally, that i don't mind at all when people use images from a skin of mine (which originally came from OS X anyway) but i would like just appreciate that they send me a quick email to ask permission, let me know how they are using the images, show me their skin before they release it, and include a reference to the original skin, email, and website.

really not much to ask and no reason to get all upset about rips."

paegoo, just make sure you email me and not post something in message boards if you plan to upload it anywhere for download. just read the readme included within my download and make sure it is included in any download if you're using any images from my visual style.

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