ahodes1 Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 Originally posted by Chrissssssss What does that have to do with losing space though? Absolutely nothing... it would if Windows used decimal representation in one place and binary in another but it doesn't so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM5K Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 I think a couple of people here need to quit acting like they are smart and showing off and just help this guy. Personally I hate tech support over a message forum, IM, yes, or phone, but not forums. Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahodes1 Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 @PM5K if I appear to be showing off, I'm not trying to and my appologies to everyone. Really though the long and the short of the problem is: 1. Run CHKDSK /F 2. There is nothing else you can do after this, besides standard cleaning of TEMP files, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[saint lucifer] Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 I say who really cares on a 40 gig hard drive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissssssss Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 Right, I think I understand where Erichiwaann is coming from now. But that's not what we're talking about in this thread Basically a 40GB HD is not actually 40GB but more like 37GB. That wouldn't affect the amount of space used on the HD though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtgriffith Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 How can you determine the amount of MFT space being used on a drive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahodes1 Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 Just to kind of sum up everything said here: 1. Formatting takes some of the space on the hard disk, but his is deducted from the capacity of the drive, so it won't affect the used space. 2. The MFT takes space on the drive. Not sure how that space is attributed but I would guess it would count toward used, as would security descriptors, attributes, and indexes. These wouldn't count if you selected all the files, but they would in the used count. They should be relatively small. So really I don't see where 2 GB could possibly go from these factors, unless you had unbelievable numbers of files on the drive. As for determining the amount of MFT space used, I think I remember Diskeeper showing information about the MFT when you used the boot time defragmenter, but I'm not sure if the MFT size was listed there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissssssss Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 Defrag shows how much the MFT uses. On this HD, it only takes up 67MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahodes1 Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 To clarify that what Chrissss said Windows defrag tells you when you analyze the drive. 16 MB here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissssssss Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 Yes indeed, when you analyse. Listed at the very bottom of the report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtgriffith Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 Properties of drive c says I am using 5.19 GB Defrag says I am using 5.19 GB Properties of all of the files and folders says I am using 4.24 GB BTW my MFT is 32 MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahodes1 Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 Well I think at this point we can conclude that the MFT is basically a null factor. (hmmm... that sounded really technical but it is actually what came to mind first... the computer is brainwashing me!!!!!! :right: ):alien: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki_rising Posted January 13, 2002 Author Share Posted January 13, 2002 i was having so much trouble with my computer that I decided a fresh clean install would be in order, slow responce time in all. I reinstalled under fat32. The properties and amount used is now more or less equal. Question. Could it have to do with the file system NTFS vs. FAT32 or maybe the way it was formated Quick vs. normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrum Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 well i gained a few gigs by disabling my system restore, it took up over 2 gigs, and also if you disable Hybernate you will get around 500mb back, also i heard in XP 1 kb = 1000 bytes instead of 1024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissssssss Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 That's a good point actually. System Restore stuff is stored in the System Volume Information folder, which you can't access unless you set the permissions of the folder, so anything in there wouldn't be added to the size of the used files on your HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissssssss Posted January 13, 2002 Share Posted January 13, 2002 I just set the permissions of that folder, and indeed my missing 2GB of space comes back. Thought I'd actually switched off System Restore. Oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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