Obama: 'If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon'


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DocM

This guy is such a god damn liar its not even funny... XD

People proudly call themselves "coonasses"? HAHHAHAHAHHAHA .

FYI blacks around here "proudly" call themselves that, the "N" word and more. In mixed race groups they're often used by all, with the blacks using similar race-specific epithets at the other ethnicities in the group.

This all sounds much like a Jr. High put down party but with much coarser language, so if he has black friends his using that language may well not mean inherent bigotry on his part.

Bottom line is that the language bit isn't as cut and dry as many people think.

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nominak

FYI blacks around here "proudly" call themselves that, the "N" word and more. In mixed race groups they're often used by all, with the blacks using similar race-specific epithets at the other ethnicities in the group.

This all sounds much like a Jr. High put down party but with much coarser language, so if he has black friends his using that language may well not mean inherent bigotry on his part.

Bottom line is that the language bit isn't as cut and dry as many people think.

Oh man, you will make up ANY excuse to make trayvon the bad guy.. ANY excuse.

OH I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS, IM ALLOWED TO USE RACIST WORDS TOOOOOO!..

that's exactly what you just said.

No, it's cut and dry. Zimmerman is a racist. End of story.

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shakey

No, we're just pragmatists. There are people that harm others and citizens need a way to effectively protect themsrlves during the critical 15 minutes before authorities can respond - that is if there is time to call them. A big if when it comes to street crime at night.

The so-called non-lethal methods are not, nor are they consistantly effective or useful against group attacks, so we carry firearms.

That stuff you posted is not the universal standard, especially here in Michigan and other ststes where one has the right to use deadly force -

? when one is suddenly, fiercely, and violently attacked;

Doesn't count if you are the one who started it. He chased the kid down, the kid had a reason to defend himself, as he thought he was in danger. Zimmerman was the aggressor.

? when one believes the attacker is about to use a deadly weapon; (sidewalk?) and

Kid had no weapon. So the use of a gun was extreme and unwarranted.

? when a person is assaulted in their own dwelling.

Not on his dwelling at all. In fact, he chased the kid to some other area. That is not self defense.

There is no duty to retreat, not that you can with some kid sitting on your chest pounding your head into a sidewalk, and all that's required is that the attacked person believe they arre in danger of great harm.

Lets see with your reasons, ill put my answer in bold under them to show where you are lacking in thoughtful .. well, thought.

If you are going to post, it is good to not try and distort the facts. Zimmerman was wrong in every action he performed besides calling 911.

You can not start a fight, then shoot someone and claim self defense. That is murder.

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DocM

Oh man, you will make up ANY excuse to make trayvon the bad guy.. ANY excuse.

Just reporting the facts on the ground where you don't live. Deal with it.

OH I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS, IM ALLOWED TO USE RACIST WORDS TOOOOOO!..

NOT me, but that behavior is common enough that I hear it all the time.

that's exactly what you just said.

No, that's what you made up. All I said was that racial word-play is common in interracial groups in this, and other, areas. Maybe not where you live, but certainly here.

No, it's cut and dry. Zimmerman is a racist. End of story.

Not according to his black friends who have gone on TV to defend him. Maybe they know him better than you do?

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Prosecutor: Cops wanted to arrest Zimmerman

The special prosecutor on the case said that early in the investigation, the police wanted to arrest George Zimmerman, the man shot Trayvon Martin, but were told to hold off by state prosecutors. "The state attorney impaneled a grand jury, but before anything else could be done, the governor stepped in and asked us to pick it up in mid-stream," Angela Corey, the special prosecutor said.

Chris Serino, the lead detective on the case, expressed doubts around Zimmerman's account of the shooting, according to ABC News. Serino filed an affidavit on the night of the shooting in which he said that he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.

This narrative is very different from the one put forward by Bill Lee, the chief of police in Stanford, who said that the police did not have enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman. Lee's handling of the case came under withering criticism, and he temporarily stepped down from his post last week after he said his role in the investigation had become a "distraction."

Norm Wolfinger, the first state prosecutor on the case, removed himself from the case later that same day.

Supporters of Zimmerman say they are fearful.

"The family has had death threats, the father and mother, George has had death threats. Anything related to George is a target," said Miguel Meza, who identified himself as Zimmerman's cousin.

George Hall, a retired Presbyterian minister, said he was Zimmerman's neighbor for 20 years in Manassas, Va., until about 2001. Hall said Zimmerman and his brother attended church, and he wrote a recommendation for Zimmerman for a police academy in 2004.

"Their parents taught them to treat everybody with respect. I'm tired of hearing about this race thing," Hall said. "It could be an element in it ... but I never would have thought of him as being a racist. His father was in the Army and was a white American and his mother was Peruvian. That makes him 50 percent Peruvian. A lot of stuff I hear, it irks me because people are drawing their own conclusions with very little evidence."

Joe Oliver, a family friend who has been making the media rounds in an attempt to clear Zimmerman's name, had a testy exchange on MSNBC's The Last Word last night. After being grilled by the panel, which included Lawrence O'Donnell, Charles Blow of the New York Times and Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post, Oliver seemed to back away from his being characterized a "close friend" of Zimmerman.

"My role in this just doesn't make sense. But because of the person I know, that I've grown to know over the past years?this is not a bad person, this is a good person who grew from his previous mistakes some seven years ago."

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Trayvon Martin Investigator Wanted Manslaughter Charges

The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that

neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple

sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state

attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the

sources told ABC News.

Police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said

Zimmerman's attorney, despite his request for medical attention first. Ultimately they had to accept Zimmerman's

claim of self defense. He was never charged with a crime.

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was

unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.

Zimmerman, 28, claimed he shot Martin, 17, in self defense.

One complicating factor in the investigation was that the first detective to interview Zimmerman about the shooting

was a narcotics officer rather than a homicide detective.

The State Attorney's office said only "no comment" when asked about the affidavit today.

The revelation is the latest salvo in a war of leaks meant to bolster each side amid rising tension over the shooting.

Martin's parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, will appear before a House panel today and rallies continue

around the country demanding that Zimmermanbe arrested.

About 200 to 250 protesters gathered in front of the Justice Department today to demand the Justice Department to

charge Zimmerman with a federal hate crime.

Martin's family attorney confirmed today that the teenager was suspended from his Miami school three times over

the past year.

Family attorney Benjamin Crump told ABC News that Martin had been slapped with a 10 day school suspension

after a bag with suspected marijuana was found in his backpack.

Last year Martin was suspended for spraying graffiti on school grounds. The Miami Herald reported that the school

guard who stopped him searched his backpack and found 12 items of women's jewelry and a flathead screw driver

that the guard believed to be a "burglary implement." But Martin was never charged or specifically disciplined for

the incident.

Crump alleged that the Sanford police had leaked damaging information about Martin into order to muddy the case,

calling it a "conspiracy." Crump called the school disciplinary problems "irrelevant" to the case that "an unarmed 17

year kid was killed."

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Zimmerman accused of domestic violence, fighting with a police officer

Court documents obtained by msnbc.com on Tuesday evening show that George Zimmerman, who fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, went to court in 2005 and 2006 for accusations of domestic violence, tussling with a police officer and speeding.

The three incidents took place in Orange County, Fla.

  • In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with ?resisting officer with violence? and ?battery of law enforcement officer,? both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to ?resisting officer without violence? and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar.

  • In August 2005, Zimmerman?s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted.

  • In December 2006, Zimmerman was charged with speeding. The case was dismissed when the officer failed to show up in court.

On Feb. 26, in Sanford, Fla., Zimmerman fatally shot Martin, who was unarmed. Zimmerman, 28, a neighborhood watch volunteer, told police that he shot in self-defense and that Martin attacked him, breaking his nose.

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Ohhh naughty naughty Zimmerman, alcoholic. Speeding. Domestic Violence... Seems like we have an actual criminal on our hands here.

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nominak

Just reporting the facts on the ground where you don't live. Deal with it.

NOT me, but that behavior is common enough that I hear it all the time.

No, that's what you made up. All I said was that racial word-play is common in interracial groups in this, and other, areas. Maybe not where you live, but certainly here.

Not according to his black friends who have gone on TV to defend him. Maybe they know him better than you do?

You mean this guy? Who was on Last Word just last night?

On the ?Last Word,? Oliver struggles to recall whether he had ever been alone with Zimmerman, if his ?friendship? with Zimmerman ever extended beyond social spheres, and says he never knew about Zimmerman?s 2005 arrest, when Zimmerman assaulted someone. What?s most disturbing, though, is Oliver?s assertion that he knows ? more than Trayvon?s mother ? that the screams on the 911 tape, are indeed, Zimmerman?s.

Unbelievably, Oliver claims that he is able to identify the screams as Zimmerman?s even though he has problems fully asserting that he had ever heard Zimmerman raise his voice throughout their alleged relationship. Clearly frustrated and undone, Oliver begins to deflect the incessant questioning by saying he knew that the Trayvon Martin murder was not a racial incident because he had an ?instinctual feeling? and ?a good feeling? that told him otherwise.

After grilling Oliver on his faulty reasoning about Zimmerman calling Martin a ?f*cking goon? rather than a ?f*cking coon,? O?Donnell says:

?Joe, we have to go, but you don?t even have a consistent story. First, you tell us you don?t know what his mistakes were, then you tell us he grew from them, then you tell us you are not sure he did anger management, then you are pretty sure he did anger management, then you don?t know about the arrest, then you don?t know if his current wife knew about his previous fiance?s violent complaints against him and the injunction against him.

?There is so much you don?t know, and you want America, you go to national television like this, CNN, and all the others, and say to America, ?Believe me, I can vouch for the man who shot and killed Trayvon, because, I, Joe Oliver, have a completely inexplicable and unjustifiable gut feeling. Joe, this is not good enough for America.

http://newsone.com/nation/afisher/joe-oliver-lawrence-o-donnell-last-call-interview/

Oooooopsie Doopsie!

It's got some video links you can click on , if you feel like it.

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mrchetsteadman

From the onset of the case common sense would dictate that Zimmerman was wrong. The more evidence that comes out proves it. But in this topic, I'm the crazy one right? I had no idea what I was talkin about. Anyway, back to work I go in my imaginary job.

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Growled

I'm just amazed about how much publicity this one case has gotten. You would think it was the only shooting ever from the sound of the rhetoric. Yes, it seems like a tragedy but many tragedies occur every day.

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nominak

http://abcnews.go.co...llance-16024475

OOOOPSIE DOOPSIE.. this video ****s on Zimmermans "broken nose and grass stains" "SELF DEFENSE" bull crap.

Where's the blood from the broken nose? Where is the blood on his shirt? Where is the broken nose? Where are the blood stains?

IF Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot his gun, he would have Trayvons blood on him. WHY DOES THIS MAN HAVE NO BLOOD ON HIM?

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-funeral-director-speaks

And more evidence against Zimmermans story..

I Wonder where all the Zimmerman supports went to in this thread.. they seemed to have disappeared :)

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http://abcnews.go.co...llance-16024475

OOOOPSIE DOOPSIE.. this video ****s on Zimmermans "broken nose and grass stains" "SELF DEFENSE" bull crap.

Where's the blood from the broken nose? Where is the blood on his shirt? Where is the broken nose? Where are the blood stains?

IF Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot his gun, he would have Trayvons blood on him. WHY DOES THIS MAN HAVE NO BLOOD ON HIM?

http://www.hlntv.com...director-speaks

And more evidence against Zimmermans story..

I Wonder where all the Zimmerman supports went to in this thread.. they seemed to have disappeared :)

They all knew they were wrong and that's the reason they started trying to attack me personally. Now this video furthers the proof that the little boy was murdered. Period.

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Memphis

They all knew they were wrong and that's the reason they started trying to attack me personally. Now this video furthers the proof that the little boy was murdered. Period.

Your jumping to conclusions still and jumping the gun on an open investigation. Just like the KKK did to blacks in the south and lynched them for unfounded crimes.

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http://abcnews.go.co...llance-16024475

OOOOPSIE DOOPSIE.. this video ****s on Zimmermans "broken nose and grass stains" "SELF DEFENSE" bull crap.

Where's the blood from the broken nose? Where is the blood on his shirt? Where is the broken nose? Where are the blood stains?

IF Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot his gun, he would have Trayvons blood on him. WHY DOES THIS MAN HAVE NO BLOOD ON HIM?

http://www.hlntv.com...director-speaks

And more evidence against Zimmermans story..

I Wonder where all the Zimmerman supports went to in this thread.. they seemed to have disappeared :)

I was in a car accident once, the car was totaled but I only had a minor cut on the top of my head. The cut was the length of my pinky fingernail at the back of my head. My shirt was drenched in blood. Head wounds tend to bleed profusely yet there isn't any signs of blood on Zimmerman in the video. No tape on his broken nose either. And this is the same outfit he was wearing when everything went down.

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nominak

I was in a car accident once, the car was totaled but I only had a minor cut on the top of my head. The cut was the length of my pinky fingernail at the back of my head. My shirt was drenched in blood. Head wounds tend to bleed profusely yet there isn't any signs of blood on Zimmerman in the video. No tape on his broken nose either. And this is the same outfit he was wearing when everything went down.

Wait wait wait... i'll post the Zimmerman defenders post.

"HE WAS CLEANED UP ON SCENE BY EMERGENCY PERSONNEL!"

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Buttus

I'm just amazed about how much publicity this one case has gotten. You would think it was the only shooting ever from the sound of the rhetoric. Yes, it seems like a tragedy but many tragedies occur every day.

it's only because they're trying to make it a racist thing, like he wouldn't have followed a white kid... he was a little nutty, he would have followed anyone!

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nominak

it's only because they're trying to make it a racist thing, like he wouldn't have followed a white kid... he was a little nutty, he would have followed anyone!

Oh? Is that why he said "These A-Holes always get away", or "****ing coons"?

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mudslag

Wait wait wait... i'll post the Zimmerman defenders post.

"HE WAS CLEANED UP ON SCENE BY EMERGENCY PERSONNEL!"

EMT must carry these around then :rofl:

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Would make a good ad..."Tide works so well, you can even use it to clean up the bloody evidence."

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nominak

EMT must carry these around then :rofl:

9Lcuv.jpg

Would make a good ad..."Tide works so well, you can even use it to clean up the bloody evidence."

lol.. nope, next the zimmerman defense will say.. "The blood is on his red jacket!".. OR... He changed clothing before being escorted to police headquarters. XD

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DocM

Where's the blood from the broken nose? Where is the blood on his shirt? Where is the broken nose? Where are the blood stains?

In the police report it says he was treated on the scene. Step one is to control the bleeding, and with persistant wounds the pic of a styptic pencil isn't far off - products like Wound Seal or HemCon are often applied to stop it. Next you clean the area of blood so you can see the full extent of the injury. Ditto the back of hs head. Saline (5% salt vwater) is a great blood remover and every squad has mass quantities.

As for blood on his clothes - red on a red & black jacket with a low res security cam? Get real - the contrast scale and resolution of those is horrid and the lossy compression on difital ones (or color bleed on analogs) tends to smear reds together. .

IF Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot his gun, he would have Trayvons blood on him. WHY DOES THIS MAN HAVE NO BLOOD ON HIM?

You being highly experienced in wound ballistics, right? It doesn't work like on TV or the movies.

It's because most of the injury from a a larger caliber modern gunshot (9 mm, .40, .45 etc.) isn't necessarily bleeding but the shockwave generated by the expanding bullet: hydrostatic shock, or organ disruption..

Hydrostatic shock can kill almost immediately if the pressure wave travels up the makor vessels to the brain, where it can blow small vessels and cause, essentially, a stroke. This happens fairly often with self-defense ammo in larger caliber weapons. Dead people dont bleed very much.

If he were hit in the heart, or close enough to it for the hydrostatic shock effects, it would stop beating almost immediately. No blood pressure = very reduced blood flow.

The only way a lot of blood would immediately appear would be if a major or superficial artery were hit, and that might take several seconds or minutes in the abdomen as the internal cavities fill up - long enough for Zimmerman to roll him off and get up.

I Wonder where all the Zimmerman supports went to in this thread.. they seemed to have disappeared :)

HI! Read the above and learn.

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nominak

In the police report it says he was treated on the scene. Step one is to control the bleeding, and with persistant wounds the pic of a styptic pencil isn't far off - products like Wound Seal or HemCon are often applied to stop it. Next you clean the area of blood so you can see the full extent of the injury. Ditto the back of hs head. Saline (5% salt vwater) is a great blood remover and every squad has mass quantities.

As for blood on his clothes - red on a red & black jacket with a low res security cam? Get real - the contrast scale and resolution of those is horrid and the lossy compression on difital ones (or color bleed on analogs) tends to smear reds together. .

You being highly experienced in wound ballistics, right? It doesn't work like on TV or the movies.

It's because most of the injury from a a larger caliber modern gunshot (9 mm, .40, .45 etc.) isn't necessarily bleeding but the shockwave generated by the expanding bullet: hydrostatic shock, or organ disruption..

Hydrostatic shock can kill almost immediately if the pressure wave travels up the makor vessels to the brain, where it can blow small vessels and cause, essentially, a stroke. This happens fairly often with self-defense ammo in larger caliber weapons. Dead people dont bleed very much.

If he were hit in the heart, or close enough to it for the hydrostatic shock effects, it would stop beating almost immediately. No blood pressure = very reduced blood flow.

The only way a lot of blood would immediately appear would be if a major or superficial artery were hit, and that might take several seconds or minutes in the abdomen as the internal cavities fill up - long enough for Zimmerman to roll him off and get up.

HI! Read the above and learn.

Ahh yes, I see you have yet again, made up more excuses.

Dried blood turns dark. THere is not a single dark spot on his jacket or on his shirt. If he did indeed have a broken nose, as has been reported, why is there no blood on his shirt? Why is there no signs of a struggle?

I mean, you were the one who said his head was bashed into the sidewalk, which is made of concrete.. now I dont know about you, but i've seen someone who had their head bashed into a wooden wall... and they had a lump the size of a softball, pretty much immediately after it happened.

Also, where are the grass stains? I've had quite a few in my time, and they don't just magically disappear. There would be dirt/grass everywhere if there were a struggle.

AGAIN. Why does Zimmermans story not add up?

Has anyone mentioned that George Zimmermans father is a retired US Magistrate judge and his mother was a court clerk?

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ylcard

nominak, you are just a fountain of failure and irony.

For example, a quote from your latest link:

"But the truth is, Robert Zimmerman had nothing to do with his son being released after killing Trayvon. That was the work done by the Sanford Police department."

Want to know why no one is here "supporting" Zimmerman ? Because no one CAN "support" him without clear evidence to work with. Also, your disgusting behavior puts people off from commenting in "favor" of Zimmerman.

But, it doesn't stop you and a couple of others from guessing your way to a conviction.

TL;DR,

Stop being a ****ing jackass about the whole thing. I'd say you're failing hard here, but you've brought up a lot of good points, however, you've been less than civilized in doing so.

Hah, except for the first bit, you definitely deserved that one.

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nominak, you are just a fountain of failure and irony.

For example, a quote from your latest link:

"But the truth is, Robert Zimmerman had nothing to do with his son being released after killing Trayvon. That was the work done by the Sanford Police department."

Want to know why no one is here "supporting" Zimmerman ? Because no one CAN "support" him without clear evidence to work with. Also, your disgusting behavior puts people off from commenting in "favor" of Zimmerman.

But, it doesn't stop you and a couple of others from guessing your way to a conviction.

TL;DR,

Stop being a ****ing jackass about the whole thing. I'd say you're failing hard here, but you've brought up a lot of good points, however, you've been less than civilized in doing so.

Hah, except for the first bit, you definitely deserved that one.

Thank you for posting that. I have been tempted to state my views on this as well, but figured it would be promptly attacked with an angry childish ramble filled with caps and bad grammar. It's hard to make an intelligent response to him when he's literally screaming back at you through the computer. :no:

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nominak

nominak, you are just a fountain of failure and irony.

For example, a quote from your latest link:

"But the truth is, Robert Zimmerman had nothing to do with his son being released after killing Trayvon. That was the work done by the Sanford Police department."

Want to know why no one is here "supporting" Zimmerman ? Because no one CAN "support" him without clear evidence to work with. Also, your disgusting behavior puts people off from commenting in "favor" of Zimmerman.

But, it doesn't stop you and a couple of others from guessing your way to a conviction.

TL;DR,

Stop being a ****ing jackass about the whole thing. I'd say you're failing hard here, but you've brought up a lot of good points, however, you've been less than civilized in doing so.

Hah, except for the first bit, you definitely deserved that one.

I never said his father had anything to do with him not being arrested. I just wondered why no one brought it up. I mean, blame the victim right? oh wait.

There are people defending Zimmerman, it's clear to see that in some of the posters here.

You're right there are people including me who are "guessing our way to conviction", because we are following the evidence ;)

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I never said his father had anything to do with him not being arrested. I just wondered why no one brought it up. I mean, blame the victim right? oh wait.

There are people defending Zimmerman, it's clear to see that in some of the posters here.

You're right there are people including me who are "guessing our way to conviction", because we are following the evidence ;)

You didn't say that, true, you didn't have to, it was implied by your comment; "Has anyone mentioned that George Zimmermans father is a retired US Magistrate judge and his mother was a court clerk?".

Whatever you say, just be civil about it.

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Oh? Is that why he said "These A-Holes always get away", or "****ing coons"?

And that means what exactly? It couldn't be that these a-holes are teens that act like thugs, or gangstas? It couldn't be that alot of people have a prejudice against teens because there is a believe that they are a bunch of hoodlums. It can be asian, black, latino, white, or anyone. When you grow up in a neighborhood where you see vandalism from teens, that could be what he is referencing more so than race.

But oh yeah, every decision or impluse always comes down to race. I forgot the mantra of critical race theory. I am white, therefore, I am racist. It can't simply because a guy is an a-hole.

Oh, and just because you use a racist slur doesn't mean you are targeting a race. Had it been a white kid acting like a thug, he may have used a slur against him as well. You don't know. But you love to judge because we are taught, race is all that anyone cares about.

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seta-san

1. Nobody cares what obama's kid would look like

2. The fundamental idea behind the castle doctrine and stand your ground are sound

3. The stand your ground policy was misapplied in this case.

4. Stop making everything about race when it isn't

end of story.

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