Schools automatically placing children into sex ed?


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She's 10 years old. I think we have the right to make the decision on it.

You teach them young before horny kicks in. Obviously.

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I'm 20 now, my mother is a nurse and I had sex ed when I was 10/11. It's just part of the curriculum here in Belgium. It was really all about the pregnancy cycle and stuff like that. We didn't get anything that had to do with the more pleasurable part until college at 15/16 yo.

Aside that, I think it's good it's included, or at least how all the pregnancy stuff works. It's mostly biology and doesn't have that much to do with actual sex. It's not like they're going to watch porn and analyse it. And I think all children/teens need to just know things. Even though my mother is a nurse even now she's still not able to tell me to use condoms and stuff like that. I can see her trying to tell me from time to time but she never actually manages to say the word. Or say "STD". She's physically incapable of it.

If I hadn't learned at school (and online) I wouldn't have known until I would have gone look it up myself.

Of course I don't have kids (and probably never will) so I can't really know how I'd feel, but I think I wouldn't mind.

I think one major difference is that sex and anything to do with private parts, regardless if it is from a medical viewpoint or a sexual, is a hush hush topic in the US. It is something that doesn't get discussed outside the privacy of home unless you are some kind of pervert. That is why some parents are more comfortable doing the talk themselves.
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And you just managed to show how out of touch with the reality of parenting you are.. done responding to your nonsense in this thread. have a nice day.

I had no idea that the "reality of parenting" was to limit your child's education :rolleyes:

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Should be the other way around though for topics like that. Parents should be warned and given the chance to talk first, then the school fills in the wholes. Not the other way around. But I am all for parental rights and think schools shouldn't be a source of parenting and parents should do their jobs. Apperently I am in the minority in thinking parents should raise their kids though.

Oh no I think parents should parent, but warned why whats the harm if you have not had a talk with your child by 10 when are you ever going to explain to them the various biological things. Why are these issues any more fundamental than a parents view on say geography or science?

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And you just managed to show how out of touch with the reality of parenting you are.. done responding to your nonsense in this thread. have a nice day.

A classic response when you know you're on the wrong side of a discussion.

I think one major difference is that sex and anything to do with private parts, regardless if it is from a medical viewpoint or a sexual, is a hush hush topic in the US.

That's exactly why it should be taught in schools, because parents are failing to do it properly themselves.

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You seem to be missing my point I would when I have a child not monitor the account and there by not give into fear of rare events. Well I would one expect the child to question the teacher and the parents to ask the child for once how school was. Just because a child is told make an account for school for devil knows what reason doesnt mean there using it at home.

That is a fair point but as a parent, how do you provide the most protection possible for your kid? Sexting and sending innappropriate images is becoming an really big problem over here.That is not some "rare event." No idea how it is in Europe or parts of the world. Teachers should not be given the power to make parental decisions, period.

I had no idea that the "reality of parenting" was to limit your child's education :rolleyes:

Skipped all prior replies in the thread I am assuming? The OP wants to teach them and is in a situation where he is more than qualified to properly educate his kids through his wife. Not being told in order to take away more of his parentings duties for no reason is completely unjustified.
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What's a 10 year old child going to do with this information? Go out and practice what they've learned?

I doubt they teach kids how to suck **** in sex ed. Regardless of what they will go out and do, wouldn't you rather they have all the facts about what can happen? Now seeing she's 10 I would hope someone has had "The Talk" with her.

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A classic response when you know you're on the wrong side of a discussion.

Also a classic response to someone who is posting none sense about how parents don't have any rights over there kids and how thats okay and justified. That happens to be why that was my response, because I happen to be right. Parents should be allowed to parent there kids. I'd love to see you come up with a real arguement of why parents shouldn't be allowed to parent there kids.

I doubt they teach kids how to suck **** in sex ed.

Learn that from our peers :rofl: However, sex ed also won't teach you that there is a chance of getting an std doing it and since asking about that topic gets you in trouble, that's not much of an option either. Most sex ed classes start with, "If you do/say anything inappropriate during this time, detention". Talking about specifics of sex happens to fall under the inappropriate category.
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Skipped all prior replies in the thread I am assuming? The OP wants to teach them and is in a situation where he is more than qualified to properly educate his kids through his wife. Not being told in order to take away more of his parentings duties for no reason is completely unjustified.

No, I read them but theyarecomingforyou is right. The only reason to pull your child out of a class is to limit their knowledge and their options (or in Lo Tec's case add a large dose of religious indoctrination).

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In situations where the parents may not have all the knowledge to explain to the child, but still want to go about it themselves, I believe the schools should provide materials to the parents to help them explain it all - afterall, the schooling systems are to help expand a child's knowledge, regardless of whether it's the teacher or the parents explaining it.

Sure if the parents pay for the materials. Do you think schools are just made out of money?

Even when I was in school (80's-90's) there were already times we had to share books in classes due to a lack of proper funding. Do you really think with things being more screwed now they have the money to just hand things out to parents?

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That is a fair point but as a parent, how do you provide the most protection possible for your kid? Sexting and sending innappropriate images is becoming an really big problem over here.That is not some "rare event." No idea how it is in Europe or parts of the world. Teachers should not be given the power to make parental decisions, period.

Skipped all prior replies in the thread I am assuming? The OP wants to teach them and is in a situation where he is more than qualified to properly educate his kids through his wife. Not being told in order to take away more of his parentings duties for no reason is completely unjustified.

Well I could start questioning what and why some things are "parental decisions" not it is not for here. I have no children. We had mobile phones we didnt do "sexting" and tbh I dont blame the mobile phone for that if your kid is sexting then dont blame lack of parental controls or whatever its down to parents to guide their children to be ethical people and make there own decisions in fact I would go as far to say parenta controls are counter to the parent child relationship. I was talking more of internet dangers of the most serious kind. Sexting to me is a problem of culture not of technology. Or maybe I was just a shelterd child but none of these problems existed in my day and we had phones and internet. "Parenting duties" now that could do with a thread in its self (ive been reading up on parenting for when i raise a family) get me a list of parenting duties and we can talk. Schools feed your kid at lunch thus providing food isnt a parenting duty? Mabye I was just a sheltered kid but I in my 20s still dont have a girl friend and i certainly never had one in high school to me this is a discussion on allowing children access to biological information nothing more. If your teenager becomes pregant its your fault/our culture.

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However, sex ed also won't teach you that there is a chance of getting an std doing it and since asking about that topic gets you in trouble, that's not much of an option either. Most sex ed classes start with, "If you do/say anything inappropriate during this time, detention". Talking about specifics of sex happens to fall under the inappropriate category.

Not in my class it didn't. They went over all the ways you could get STI's (STD's back then) in my class. That included discussing that oral sex is not a safe way to avoid infection. It didn't include instruction on how to perform it, but it did include all the pertinent information on ways you could contract all sorts of things.

We were also allowed to ask any questions we wanted so long as they weren't asked in a manner that was disrespectful or obviously meant to cause a fuss.

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Also a classic response to someone who is posting none sense about how parents don't have any rights over there kids and how thats okay and justified.

You meant "nonsense" and not "none sense"; you meant "that's" instead of "thats"; you meant "their kids" not "there kids" (something you repeated twice, so clearly not a typo); you meant "argument" instead of "arguement"; and earlier you meant "holes" instead of "wholes". Why do I point that out? Because you talk about how you supposedly know better than teachers and yet you can barely string a sentence together without a glaring mistake. Teachers are trained to deal with sex education in a delicate and tactful manner, while covering the essentials. Most parents don't know more than teachers when it comes to sex education and it's very dangerous to be perpetuating that ignorance.

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Well I could start questioning what and why some things are "parental decisions" not it is not for here. I have no children. We had mobile phones we didnt do "sexting" and tbh I dont blame the mobile phone for that if your kid is sexting then dont blame lack of parental controls or whatever its down to parents to guide their children to be ethical people and make there own decisions in fact I would go as far to say parenta controls are counter to the parent child relationship. I was talking more of internet dangers of the most serious kind. Sexting to me is a problem of culture not of technology. Or maybe I was just a shelterd child but none of these problems existed in my day and we had phones and internet. "Parenting duties" now that could do with a thread in its self (ive been reading up on parenting for when i raise a family) get me a list of parenting duties and we can talk. Schools feed your kid at lunch thus providing food isnt a parenting duty? Mabye I was just a sheltered kid but I in my 20s still dont have a girl friend and i certainly never had one in high school to me this is a discussion on allowing children access to biological information nothing more. If your teenager becomes pregant its your fault/our culture.

The thing is that parents can't be everywhere 100% to monitor every single decision a child makes. That is why parents should have the right to say no to an email account and no to cellphones for there kids just the same. The teacher is thinking, I will make sure these kids do nothing bad on the email. Sure thats great, but it doesn't help the parent out for the other 16 hours of the day. Expecially not if the parents are even told the teacher is doing it.
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The thing is that parents can't be everywhere 100% to monitor every single decision a child makes. That is why parents should have the right to say no to an email account and no to cellphones for there kids just the same. The teacher is thinking, I will make sure these kids do nothing bad on the email. Sure thats great, but it doesn't help the parent out for the other 16 hours of the day. Expecially not if the parents are even told the teacher is doing it.

Again dont monitor, teach children to make good decisions and trust them and allow them to talk openly to you.

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I like that people are coming up with parenting suggestions.

Truth is it's on a child by child basis. Not all kids are the same. Some will require monitoring, and some will not.

To think an answer can be provided in a thread that will match all situations is not reality folks. ;)

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I doubt they teach kids how to suck **** in sex ed. Regardless of what they will go out and do, wouldn't you rather they have all the facts about what can happen? Now seeing she's 10 I would hope someone has had "The Talk" with her.

If it were my child I would rather have an option of whether to allow her to attend this class or not. Each child is different and each child should be evaluated differently. I'd be fine it the school and the parents worked together on this rather than seeing the school take a "we know what's best for your child" approach.

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If it were my child I would rather have an option of whether to allow her to attend this class or not. Each child is different and each child should be evaluated differently. I'd be fine it the school and the parents worked together on this rather than seeing the school take a "we know what's best for your child" approach.

Ok, now this response is one that I can't agree with because of the premise.

Do you want them to check in with you before teaching a history class to make sure you're ok with the portrayal of slavery & native american rights before you sign off as well?

Do you want them to check in before teaching biology classes because those classes also go into human reproduction?

There are sometimes subjects that are far more delicate than this taught, and yet we don't pull the 'we know what's best' card at those times.

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You meant "nonsense" and not "none sense"; you meant "that's" instead of "thats"; you meant "their kids" not "there kids" (something you repeated twice, so clearly not a typo); you meant "argument" instead of "arguement"; and earlier you meant "holes" instead of "wholes". Why do I point that out? Because you talk about how you supposedly know better than teachers and yet you can barely string a sentence together without a glaring mistake. Teachers are trained to deal with sex education in a delicate and tactful manner, while covering the essentials. Most parents don't know more than teachers when it comes to sex education and it's very dangerous to be perpetuating that ignorance.

No you point it out because you can't come up with a legitimate argument for why parents should have their rights taken away. But again, I am for parental rights, and that is the minority. We live in a time where spanking(not beating, very fine line) is physical abuse, verballing punishing is verbal abuse, and grounding is emotional abuse.Two of those three have become illegal already to do in public in the United States and 3 of them are grounds for being investigated by child services. Now you are seriouesly arguing that parents should give up more rights... yea.. okay

Clearly you are right. Because I make grammer mistakes in my second language, I have absolutely no idea about sex ed. Here I thought a condom was meant to protect you from STD's and pregnancy, but that must be wrong because I mispelled argument. Guess I should stop using condoms by your logic..... [snipped].

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I like that people are coming up with parenting suggestions.

Truth is it's on a child by child basis. Not all kids are the same. Some will require monitoring, and some will not.

To think an answer can be provided in a thread that will match all situations is not reality folks. ;)

True but i dont belive in parental over control of another human being.

If it were my child I would rather have an option of whether to allow her to attend this class or not. Each child is different and each child should be evaluated differently. I'd be fine it the school and the parents worked together on this rather than seeing the school take a "we know what's best for your child" approach.

Indeed I dont like schools doing this, but consider why just sex ed, why not the food they serve, the citzenship education, english, geography etc. I dont belive in home schooling btw im just posing the question.

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Aside that, I think it's good it's included, or at least how all the pregnancy stuff works. It's mostly biology and doesn't have that much to do with actual sex. It's not like they're going to watch porn and analyse it.

Agreed about the "it's not watching porn" part - in California they call it "Human Growth and Development" and put it in around the same time the kids are learning about how frogs, fish, and monkeys work to emphasize that it's less about sex and more about how the human body works.

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Again dont monitor, teach children to make good decisions and trust them and allow them to talk openly to you.

You can teach an adult what good decisions are. What you can't do is force them to make them. Saying don't monitor at all grossly simplifies the process of raising a child.
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once again 'theyarecomingforyou' shares the exact same opinions I have about something; are you me?

I had a long think about that and my conclusion is... probably not. I'm not ruling out schizophrenia though.

If it were my child I would rather have an option of whether to allow her to attend this class or not. Each child is different and each child should be evaluated differently. I'd be fine it the school and the parents worked together on this rather than seeing the school take a "we know what's best for your child" approach.

But why this class and not every other class? Once you starting picking at the seams the entire education system starts to fall apart. You then start to politicise the education system, which is very dangerous.

Clearly you are right. Because I make grammer mistakes in my second language, I have absolutely no idea about sex ed.

My point was if you don't know enough about English then you may not know enough about sex education either. And I'm not claiming that I know everything about either subject (in fact I know I don't), which is why I support teachers and schools having that responsibility. It's very likely that sex education has moved on dramatically since I was at school and I don't want to be teaching my children things that are untrue, misinformed or outdated. Parents should discuss sex with the children to compliment school education, not to replace it.

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So she learns about sex. So what? Shes going to find out that sex exists eventually. At 10, I'm sure she's heard plenty about sex from her classmates (probably false information). Learning about sex isn't going to make her go out and be a slut. Sex exists. Deal with it or face the consequences.

In 5th grade, all 5th graders took a field trip to health center and told us about sex/puberty. The boys and girls were split into different groups.

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