Sylar0 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 You can teach an adult what good decisions are. What you can't do is force them to make them. Saying don't monitor at all grossly simplifies the process of raising a child. Adults have different views too. I think we give our kids too little credit. Nope we can not force anything. Mabye your right mabye your not but understand by monitoring I mean the use of direct control like software or rules without talking to your kids about the reason why. I have no problems with imposing rules without reason and imposing force to stop things happening like filtering rather than sound ethical values as you see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeTobacco Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 True but i dont belive in parental over control of another human being. Indeed I dont like schools doing this, but consider why just sex ed, why not the food they serve, the citzenship education, english, geography etc. I dont belive in home schooling btw im just posing the question. Schools shouldnt be teaching lifestyle topic without parental consent. As a parent, if you don't like all the unhealthy food served in public schools, make your child a lunch. Sex ed isnt taught from a purely scientific standpoint in public schools. They teach kids that its normal for a 10 year old to be having sex and that using a condom means they won't get an std or pregnant. They ignore the fact that a 10 year old doesnt grasp the concept of probability and that a 99% chance of it not happening isn't enough. Plenty of people fall into that 1% where the condom wasn't enough but a child would hear 99% means they won't at all. You can't teach lifestyle subjects without adding morality to it at all or it won't get across to a child at that age. It is like doing civil studies(US version of citizen education). You can repeat all you want, "you should vote because it gets your voice heard in the government" but it won't matter. That hasn't made voting numbers go up. You know what other number gets thrown out there during sex ed. For around 1/3 of a females cycle, there is only a 1% chance of getting pregnant even with no condoms or birth control pills. A girl just took this great class which makes her an expert about her own body now. Kids think they known everything when they are given information like that. You now gave her a reason to not use condoms during that very specific period of time. And now you have a 11 year old child pregnant because she though there is only a 1% chance and she could have sworn it was during that period that they did it. BTW, according to theyarecomingforyou, you know nothing about sex education because you mispelled citizen. You are unfit to education any child on any subject, regardless of it having anything to do with spelling. Sorry. Adults have different views too. I think we give our kids too little credit. Nope we can not force anything. Mabye your right mabye your not but understand by monitoring I mean the use of direct control like software or rules without talking to your kids about the reason why. I have no problems with imposing rules without reason and imposing force to stop things happening like filtering rather than sound ethical values as you see fit. The issue is though that this school had that account made without the parents knowing. The parents have no reason to teach there kids about decision making in regards to email accounts, because as far as they know, the kid has no email account. We can argue all day long about the merits of whether a child that young should have an email account or not, however not telling the parents that the teachers did something that effects the kids safety daily is just wrong.You can't teach your kids proper decision making in an area that you don't realize they already need to be taught it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiranui Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 The Gmail thing is a bit of a liberty on the School's part, I must admit, as well as being a violation of Google's TOS. And, given that sex-ed still appears to be controversial issue in the some parts of Western world in the 21st century, particularly in the country with the largest pron industry and one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy, the school should have at least notified parents beforehand. You have my sympathies. Lo Tec, out of, genuine, interest, when do you think is right time to start discussing reproduction? Have you and your wife had the opportunity to review the school's sex-ed curriculum? I may not be as bad as you think. As a parent, I too would be interested to see how schools go about teaching it these days. Surely having your child learn about sex at the same time as her peers can only be a good thing? I got my first bits of info from a classmate who was well read on his parents' not-so-well-hidden copy of the Joy of Sex. At ten, kids are more likely to go Ewwwww and laugh at it all. Taking a child out of the class sends a message of illicitness that need not exist. Personally, I think it should be done in stages, with the biological side tackled early, in time with the child's innate curiosity. The rest should be handled before the onset of puberty. Beyond that, the best you can do is tell them to be careful. +Raze 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted September 13, 2012 Member Share Posted September 13, 2012 Indeed I dont like schools doing this, but consider why just sex ed, why not the food they serve, the citzenship education, english, geography etc. I dont belive in home schooling btw im just posing the question. It is a good question. I think it's the way the school goes about it. Why not just teach biology and include sex information instead of having a special class just to teach sex education? Most schools have to realize it's a controversial subject and a lot of parents aren't going to agree with it and yet they are determined to ram in down our throats anyway. My wife is a teacher and I'm about as anti-school as you can get because of crap like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted September 13, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted September 13, 2012 I think one major difference is that sex and anything to do with private parts, regardless if it is from a medical viewpoint or a sexual, is a hush hush topic in the US. It is something that doesn't get discussed outside the privacy of home unless you are some kind of pervert. That is why some parents are more comfortable doing the talk themselves. you can blame our puritan heritage for that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeTobacco Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 My point was if you don't know enough about English then you may not know enough about sex education either. And I'm not claiming that I know everything about either subject (in fact I know I don't), which is why I support teachers and schools having that responsibility. It's very likely that sex education has moved on dramatically since I was at school and I don't want to be teaching my children things that are untrue, misinformed or outdated. Parents should discuss sex with the children to compliment school education, not to replace it. And how do you do that if you were never informed that that was already taught. You have science from 1st grade all the way to 12th grade. If they don't tell you when sex ed is, and they tell your kids its perfectly normal for a 10 year old to have sex, this is how you do it, how can a parent teach there kid anything in time. A 10 year old shouldn't be learning that having sex is something that 10 year olds are doing. Then the kid goes home and asks their parents about something before there parents have time to prepare for that conversation. It is not a simple "these are the facts" conversation and shouldn't be treated as such because that isn't how it is taught in public schools.And your point was that. "Because you talk about how you supposedly know better than teachers and yet you can barely string a sentence together without a glaring mistake" According to that statement, not spelling something correctly or not using the correct word is a clear indication that I know nothing about sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 This is fine with me -- as long as the teacher demonstrates. :shifty: ILikeTobacco 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted September 13, 2012 Member Share Posted September 13, 2012 This is fine with me -- as long as the teacher demonstrates. :shifty: Just remember Hum, this class is not for you. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeTobacco Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 If the parents know the class is coming up or that part of the class involves opening an email account, that is one thing. When the parents are deliberately not told of somethign that will cause problems like this school did, that is a totally different animal. The OP stated that the same school in previous years sent home lets for the sex ed class. That means it was in the policy to do that. Someone deliberately made the decision to no long follow that policy. That is an obvious attempt to undermine the parents authority over their kids and their education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted September 13, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted September 13, 2012 Learn that from our peers :rofl: However, sex ed also won't teach you that there is a chance of getting an std doing it and since asking about that topic gets you in trouble, that's not much of an option either. Most sex ed classes start with, "If you do/say anything inappropriate during this time, detention". Talking about specifics of sex happens to fall under the inappropriate category. that is incorrect, most sex ed classes (including the 2 i had at two different schools) half the point of the class is to warn about STDs and that condoms don't stop 95% of them and sex ed classes should and usually do encourage asking questions (at least the 2 classes i had around 2003/5) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Nokes Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 If they don't tell you when sex ed is, and they tell your kids its perfectly normal for a 10 year old to have sex, this is how you do it, how can a parent teach there kid anything in time. A 10 year old shouldn't be learning that having sex is something that 10 year olds are doing. Uh, but that's not what is being taught. They don't teach you how to have sex. They teach about reproductive health. They don't go into positions, or tell you that you should start having sex. They teach the consequences of sex, and the biological aspect of how the parts work. I mean come on...this has to be one of the worst attempts at making a point I have ever seen. Brandon H 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAZMINATOR Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Wasn't sure where to post this. If it is in the wrong place I apologize. So our youngest daughter comes home today and tells us she is now in sex ed. Not only that, but the teacher has helped the children to create Gmail accts. I mean WTF?!?! I am so upset about this. Wife is on the phone with the school right now over this. They used to send home info with permission slips. I mean WTF has changed since last year? Nothing is wrong with the students in Sex Ed class. It's part of the curriculum. I remember I was in the class. 20/40 years ago, all students (included myself) used the papers and pencils for their school assignments such as math, history, etc. And the schools are starting to use the devices so the students use the devices to work on the assignments such as iPad or some kind of tablet which is why the teacher is probably setting up an account for your daughter. Which you see the world is becoming computerized because of the technologies we use today and beyond. Today's kids are lucky because they don't have to carry heavy books all the time. All they carry is a tablet or other device whatever the teacher is providing to the students... today's kids will be teenagers in next few years and won't have to worry about those heavy books that we had in the past. The students are probably using the ebooks that schools are providing them with. The teachers are probably giving the students the accounts so the students can check email for any assignments at home.. if students are sick and staying home... the teacher is probably sending them the homework via email for them to do instead of waitiing on them to come back to school and end up having a lot of homework to do to take home with. Keep in mind that we have better technologies from today and beyond and things change in schools. For example: My schools that I went to that didn't have security cameras. I graduated for good and I went back to visit friends and say hello to teachers and noticed that they now have security cameras all over the place. When I got done with talking to them, I left school and laughed at the students... because they can get easily caught due the cameras. My friends and I went wild during school years and had blast for example, put emtpy milk carton on the floor... then slam it with your foot. BOOM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryoken Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Gmail is questionable.. Sex-ed isn't.. I'm glad that in Canada it's not a choice, it happens, deal with it. Then again it's the US, so the sex-ed still probably isn't gonna teach them the stuff they need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 If they don't tell you when sex ed is, and they tell your kids its perfectly normal for a 10 year old to have sex :no: You seriously believe that schools are teaching ten year old children that it's perfectly normal to have sex? :argh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylar0 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Schools shouldnt be teaching lifestyle topic without parental consent. As a parent, if you don't like all the unhealthy food served in public schools, make your child a lunch. Sex ed isnt taught from a purely scientific standpoint in public schools. They teach kids that its normal for a 10 year old to be having sex and that using a condom means they won't get an std or pregnant. They ignore the fact that a 10 year old doesnt grasp the concept of probability and that a 99% chance of it not happening isn't enough. Plenty of people fall into that 1% where the condom wasn't enough but a child would hear 99% means they won't at all. You can't teach lifestyle subjects without adding morality to it at all or it won't get across to a child at that age. It is like doing civil studies(US version of citizen education). You can repeat all you want, "you should vote because it gets your voice heard in the government" but it won't matter. That hasn't made voting numbers go up. You know what other number gets thrown out there during sex ed. For around 1/3 of a females cycle, there is only a 1% chance of getting pregnant even with no condoms or birth control pills. A girl just took this great class which makes her an expert about her own body now. Kids think they known everything when they are given information like that. You now gave her a reason to not use condoms during that very specific period of time. And now you have a 11 year old child pregnant because she though there is only a 1% chance and she could have sworn it was during that period that they did it. BTW, according to theyarecomingforyou, you know nothing about sex education because you mispelled citizen. You are unfit to education any child on any subject, regardless of it having anything to do with spelling. Sorry. The issue is though that this school had that account made without the parents knowing. The parents have no reason to teach there kids about decision making in regards to email accounts, because as far as they know, the kid has no email account. We can argue all day long about the merits of whether a child that young should have an email account or not, however not telling the parents that the teachers did something that effects the kids safety daily is just wrong.You can't teach your kids proper decision making in an area that you don't realize they already need to be taught it in. "You can't teach lifestyle subjects without adding morality to it at all or it won't get across to a child at that age." I am not American but I will say we in the UK manage education is SUCH A POLITICAL issue we look on in horror. As for the SCHOOL, sure one could just order the school or the child to delete it. It?s odd we were (we all knew already) how to send an email but the school set up internal accounts for us. As for my spelling what don?t spell one word correctly I?m idiotic? As for schools and citizenship I think they go over the mark on a lot of things school isn?t supposed to be life training for children (in the UK we refer to the stuff they do in class as WORK I must question why) they should be education only but this includes biology. I am not in favour of home-schooling but unschooling (google it) yes I am also against religious objections to any part of education. Hell I remember one of our last school lessons was how to keep switching credit cards and the teacher wanted everyone to have a little cuss to experience freedom or something.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeTobacco Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Uh, but that's not what is being taught. They don't teach you how to have sex. They teach about reproductive health. They don't go into positions, or tell you that you should start having sex. They teach the consequences of sex, and the biological aspect of how the parts work. I mean come on...this has to be one of the worst attempts at making a point I have ever seen. I was taught in 5th grade that to have sex, a male gets and erection and puts his penis in a girls vagina. Is that not how people have sex anymore or something? As for my spelling what don?t spell one word correctly I?m idiotic? Wasn't me saying it. theyarecomingforyou claimed that because I mispelled some words and made some errors, I am incapable of knowing anything to do with sex education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Just remember Hum, this class is not for you. :D I had to learn by trial & error. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylar0 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I was taught in 5th grade that to have sex, a male gets and erection and puts his penis in a girls vagina. Is that not how people have sex anymore or something? Wasn't me saying it. theyarecomingforyou claimed that because I mispelled some words and made some errors, I am incapable of knowing anything to do with sex education. Sorry its past 2am here my bad posts turning into one another. I was taught in 5th grade that to have sex, a male gets and erection and puts his penis in a girls vagina. Is that not how people have sex anymore or something? Wasn't me saying it. theyarecomingforyou claimed that because I mispelled some words and made some errors, I am incapable of knowing anything to do with sex education. So your suggesting the knowlege of body parts should be forbidden to children? What were suppose to tell them children *insert foke tail*/appeared in the night in a basket or somthing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeTobacco Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 :no: You seriously believe that schools are teaching ten year old children that it's perfectly normal to have sex? :argh: It's what was taught when I was in fifth grade. They say sex is a normal thing and that you will know when the time is right for you to have sex and leave it at that. Translated to 10 year old speak, males: I have an erection, must be the right time. females: i am having periods, must be the right time. They even state that when a guy has an erection, it means his body is ready for it. Or do you seriously believe that schools doing sex ed are teaching that sex is an abnormal thing to do? The whole point of sex ed is to teach kids about to enter puberty, if they haven't already, is that sex is a normal thing to do and this is how you do it safely. They aren't allowed to comment on whether it is the right thing to do or moral or anything else. The most they are allowed to say is that you will know when it is the right time or it is a decision you have to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.grz Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I don't think the OP is saying that his child shouldn't learn about sex. He's saying that it's something that he and his wife would like to teach their child about; not the school. I see nothing wrong with that. Charisma 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylar0 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I don't think the OP is saying that his child shouldn't learn about sex. He's saying that it's something that he and his wife would like to teach their child about; not the school. I see nothing wrong with that. Then do it before the school, but if they also want to teach their child geography is that allowed I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeTobacco Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Sorry its past 2am here my bad posts turning into one another. So your suggesting the knowlege of body parts should be forbidden to children? What were suppose to tell them children *insert foke tail*/appeared in the night in a basket or somthing? Sex Ed in the US is not teaching kids body parts only. Sex Ed goes into how to have "traditional" sex.(as if traditional sex is a thing anymore :rofl:) However, it stops just short of teaching the morality of it and gives kids the impression that if they do everything that is taught... condoms, birht control, etc, NOTHING, will happen. 99% is a number that results in the "it will never happen to me" mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaredFrost Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Wasn't sure where to post this. If it is in the wrong place I apologize. So our youngest daughter comes home today and tells us she is now in sex ed. Not only that, but the teacher has helped the children to create Gmail accts. I mean WTF?!?! I am so upset about this. Wife is on the phone with the school right now over this. They used to send home info with permission slips. I mean WTF has changed since last year? My biggest concern here is creating the gmail account, that was crossing a line right there. I don't think the OP is saying that his child shouldn't learn about sex. He's saying that it's something that he and his wife would like to teach their child about; not the school. I see nothing wrong with that. What they should be doing is contacting the school asking to see the curriculum and reviewing it, and either removing them based on that, or adding to their childrens education on it afterwards Not going to the school and throwing a hissy fit, they both need to grow up if they're going to be good parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nub Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Sex Ed in the US is not teaching kids body parts only. Sex Ed goes into how to have "traditional" sex.(as if traditional sex is a thing anymore :rofl:) However, it stops just short of teaching the morality of it and gives kids the impression that if they do everything that is taught... condoms, birht control, etc, NOTHING, will happen. 99% is a number that results in the "it will never happen to me" mentality. Aren't must sex ed classes abstinence only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilligaf2008 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Sure if the parents pay for the materials. Do you think schools are just made out of money? Even when I was in school (80's-90's) there were already times we had to share books in classes due to a lack of proper funding. Do you really think with things being more screwed now they have the money to just hand things out to parents? That's a valid point, I had not thought of that. Well, if parents want desperately to teach their children themselves, then yeh, I suppose paying the school for the materials to reimburse them would seem fair. Afterall, people pay thousands to go to College/University to learn it all, no harm in giving back a bit of money to the school for materials in order to educate their children themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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