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No offence, but it doesn't look good when you preech how brilliant and deep-thinking the dialogue is and yet can't spell philosophical. ;)

or casualty

LOL what an idiot

Casualty? He said Causality...

LOL!!!OL!!!!11

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me...gotta.....resist....all...this...god...damn...spoilers... :D

can't wait for revolutions.. i have soooo many doubts in my mind right now..

oh and for those who said the dialogue is cheesy, think again. it's actually the dialogues and philosophies got me hooked.. not the actions. neo fights like a girl imo. :p

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That causality stuff was absolute BS, I learnt cause and effect in the 1st grade. If you want deep analysis into causality, go read Kant, you won't find it in the Matrix, that's for sure.

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That causality stuff was absolute BS, I learnt cause and effect in the 1st grade. If you want deep analysis into causality, go read Kant, you won't find it in the Matrix, that's for sure.

well, I learnt about causality among other philosphy and humanisms FOR YEARS, so maybe you must learn again :rolleyes:

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No offence, but it doesn't look good when you preech how brilliant and deep-thinking the dialogue is and yet can't spell philosophical. ;)

Revolutions seems to be shaping up to be a decent movie. :) I love the Club Hell scene, or whatever it is when everybody's dancing on the ceiling. Blatent rip of the Lobby Scene but still good. :D Although the new Oracle sucks. :( RIP Gloria Foster.

english is not my mother language, spanish is, sorry Mr. Perfect :rolleyes:

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No offence, but it doesn't look good when you preech how brilliant and deep-thinking the dialogue is and yet can't spell philosophical. ;)

or casualty

LOL what an idiot

if you dont know what CAUSALITY (not casuality) is then go back to school (or stick with it) :rolleyes:

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If it took you 5 years to learn about the "Deep" analysis that the architect discussed in Matrix Reloaded, then you have bigger problems than arguing with me...

The man just explains a theory revolving around causal determinism, big deal...

Now let's read into some deontology:).

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If it took you 5 years to learn about the "Deep" analysis that the architect discussed in Matrix Reloaded, then you have bigger problems than arguing with me...

The man just explains a theory revolving around causal determinism, big deal...

Now let's read into some deontology:).

Im all open to hear what flaws about the theory you found in that dialog, btw, who said 5 years? I just said for years, maybe you need to improve your reading skills before to try arguing with me

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I never said there were flaws, however, the theory itself is pretty basic, I don't understand how it could take years to understand...

Moreover, there are conflicts of this theory within the binds of existentialism, and pre-determination.

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I never said there were flaws, however, the theory itself is pretty basic, I don't understand how it could take years to understand...

Moreover, there are conflicts of this theory within the binds of existentialism, and pre-determination.

I also didnt say that my studies were just about causality, did I?

Also I never said the theory is complex, I just find fascinating that a movie played with an humanism in this way, I have yet to see another movie with this kind of words game, also, I dont understand your existencialism statement, how existencialism was involved in the movie?

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The philosophical aspects of the Matrix trilogy plot have, IMHO, shown themselves to be on a level with the type of stuff you learn early on in an elementary philosophy course. Deep? Not exactly. But still its introducing a lot of people who don't normally think about that sort of thing to philosophy, which can only be a good thing. To somebody who has studied it for a while though, their ideas are somewhat childish and overused.

Still, they've been pretty fun films anyway. But thats all they are, films. I'm not taking time out especially to see the first showing, what the hell for? It's just a damn film, and not even a very good one at that...

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,Oct 28 2003, 19:07]
I never said there were flaws, however, the theory itself is pretty basic, I don't understand how it could take years to understand...

Moreover, there are conflicts of this theory within the binds of existentialism, and pre-determination.

I also didnt say that my studies were just about causality, did I?

Also I never said the theory is complex, I just find fascinating that a movie played with an humanism in this way, I have yet to see another movie with this kind of words game, also, I dont understand your existencialism statement, how existencialism was involved in the movie?

Guess you haven't seen a lot of movies then...

Go watch Solaris, think it's stupid? Then you don't understand it.

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Deep? Not exactly. But still its introducing a lot of people who don't normally think about that sort of thing to philosophy, which can only be a good thing.

exactly my point, thanks

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The philosophical aspects of the Matrix trilogy plot have, IMHO, shown themselves to be on a level with the type of stuff you learn early on in an elementary philosophy course. Deep? Not exactly. But still its introducing a lot of people who don't normally think about that sort of thing to philosophy, which can only be a good thing. To somebody who has studied it for a while though, their ideas are somewhat childish and overused.

Still, they've been pretty fun films anyway. But thats all they are, films. I'm not taking time out especially to see the first showing, what the hell for? It's just a damn film, and not even a very good one at that...

Cheers... well said.

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,Oct 28 2003, 19:07]
I never said there were flaws, however, the theory itself is pretty basic, I don't understand how it could take years to understand...

Moreover, there are conflicts of this theory within the binds of existentialism, and pre-determination.

I also didnt say that my studies were just about causality, did I?

Also I never said the theory is complex, I just find fascinating that a movie played with an humanism in this way, I have yet to see another movie with this kind of words game, also, I dont understand your existencialism statement, how existencialism was involved in the movie?

Guess you haven't seen a lot of movies then...

Go watch Solaris, think it's stupid? Then you don't understand it.

I havent seen it, but someone recommended me a lot

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I think the best movies are the one that make you derive an interpretation from it, rather then just giving the answer to you in your hands.

The philosophical portion of The Matrix can be exploited in so many ways, which is what I love, but the writers take you down this one direct path and they don't let you think on your own. In fact, the only part of the movie that actually made me think was the cliffhanger from Reloaded, that's it.

The basic premises were good ie. is this world real? Causal Determinism etc. etc. but they've got to let us start interpreting things on our own instead of having this one "badass" character explain to us.

Edit: Upon cursory examination, the movie itself is an insult to human intelligence because they give you all the answers but try to invoke some feeling of "unknown" by cutting the entire movie into three parts at strategically planned areas.

I guess when you are marketing to a mass audience, you wouldn't consider going to deep, which is why Solaris was not much of a success. But The Matrix has a fundamentally good premise that could've been exploited to make it more or less a classic in terms of art and intelligence.

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Edit: Upon cursory examination, the movie itself is an insult to human intelligence because they give you all the answers but try to invoke some feeling of "unknown" by cutting the entire movie into three parts at strategically planned areas.

still who noticedthat besides few persons? the elements are there but they needed to "level them down" for the mass audience

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