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You're kidding right? If anything, it's one of the more important features on the player. Unlike the people at Apple who seem to think stupid games and a calander is the way to impress a potential costumer, adding a fm tuner is the perfect addition to a mp3 player. Last time I checked, not one of the people I know that own a Ipod use any of the superflous features it boasts.

Well so far iPod is the best selling MP3 device without a radio built in. So it would seem it does impress potential customers.

However there is a Radio addon for the iPod. So if you wanted it you could.

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See, the iRiver suffers the same setbacks that my Zen did...and which the iPod does not.

Buttons in more than one place.

The iRiver has buttons on the front AND side. If you're trying to manipulate the thing with one hand, you have to change the player's position in your hand to get to the side buttons, unless you're some kind of hand contortionist. With the iPod, all the buttons are right on the front, so you can do everything with your thumb, without having to shift the thing in your hands. Sure, this may not be a huge deal for some people, but I do a lot of bike riding, and I can scroll through playlists, pick songs, adjust volume, etc all with one hand while I'm riding, almost without looking at the thing. I was never able to do that with my Zen, and probably wouldn't with the iRiver either, as the buttons are placed similarly.

totally agree, even though these are minor complaint..., i tell you, these little minor portability stuffs and designs apple has put onto the ipod eventually adds up to be a major advantage over other players..., and that's why apple has succeeded, they designed a very very easy to use, simple, and nice looking mp3 player and that wins over other players that even though might have more features than ipod does...

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ok , say Im into the iRiver move, So ill buy one , or something alike

whats the best I can get for ? 150 EUR ??

im a poor student :pinch:h:

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I think some people are suffering from iPod fanboyish behavioural syndromes :)

The iHP may be slightly larger and slightly less stylish ( varies from person to person ), but you can't deny that you get plenty more bang for the buck ( more functions, better battery life ).

Add that to the fact that iRiver has a history of excellent support for their products (regular firmware updates, Vorbis support in process ), and you have a winner!

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I think some people are suffering from iPod fanboyish behavioural syndromes :)

The iHP may be slightly larger and slightly less stylish ( varies from person to person ), but you can't deny that you get plenty more bang for the buck ( more functions, better battery life ).

Add that to the fact that iRiver has a history of excellent support for their products (regular firmware updates, Vorbis support in process ), and you have a winner!

They have to justify their own purchases :) I would probably do the same

As for style, I would pick IRiver over Ipod any day.

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They have to justify their own purchases :)

you're probably right but that seems silly to me. if i bought something and you didnt like it, whatever. i'm not going to sit here and try to convince you otherwise because i would really care less if someone liked what I like or not.

to each their own i guess

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See, now this thread is just turning into a big flame ware. iRiver over iPod.

Everyone has his own preferencees so you can't change them.

Just leave it at that. ;)

OT: Is Howard Stern radio in Texas, too? I can only see him o t.v. :(

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I brought up some great points as to why this player should be considered instead of a Ipod in another post. Here there are again...

The price is the same for the Ipod 20 gig so if you're willing to spend the dough on the Ipod then this isn't a issue. Besides there are reasons for the price...

1. The remote --- a lot more functional than the crap Ipod packs. definitely better than zens plastic remote which died on me after a month of use. Builtin FM tuner/voice recording just like the Zen's

2. Uses a Lithium Polymer instead of Ion. This increases the playback time dramatically. Tests have shown to be around 13+hrs of playback (my Zen dies at exactly 7hrs 15mins)

3. Dimesions are almost exactly the same as the Ipod 20 gig...

Ipod 20 gig

Height: 4.1 in

Width: 2.4 in

Depth: 0.62 in

IRiver

Height: 4.13

Width: 2.36

Depth: 0.75

4. the player is treated like a usb harddrive. this means you will be able to drag/drop to and from the drive as if it was like any other drive on your system. no more bloated software to install just to access your player.

EDIT: 5. Like xpatx mentions, IRiver makes sure that issues/firmware are added periodically. Can't say the same for the guys over at Creative. I haven't gotten a firmware update since I think May. There are newer Zen models out now with the firmware update that include new features/issues corrected. It's as if Creative has forgotten about early adopters.

Ok lets see...

Why you should consider iRiver instead of iPod..

1. The remote. Looks way too big in my opinion.

2. Uses Lithium Polymer instead of Ion. The iPod uses a Polymer battery also (a Sony one).

3. It is larger than the iPod, so how is that an advantage?

4. The iPod also appears as a drive on windows. You can use it as an external disk drive and just drag and drop files onto it. In order to copy songs over, sure you need to use an app such as iTunes. HOwever the integration between iTunes and the iPod make it worthwhile in my opinion. Smart playlists. You can play songs on your PC, sync the play count to the iPod, play more songs on the iPod, resync that data back to the PC, and you can have playlists based off this data such as top 25, most recently played etc. Additionally you get sync'ing of Audible books. Listen on the PC, stop halfway. Continue listening on the iPod from where you left off on the PC automatically.

For the 20G iPod, the docking station, and carrying case are included. What accessories are in the box for the iRiver?

Your post seems more of a comparison between the Zen and the iRiver. And for that comparison I agree. I got stung by the **** Creative support back in the Nomad 1 days. It was really a re badged Samsung Yepp player. The Yepp had win2k support, but cheap ******s that Creative were, they never paid Samsung to enable win2k support for the Nomad.

Bought Creative once, will never do that again.

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3. It is larger than the iPod, so how is that an advantage?

is this SERIOUSLY an issue for you? c'mon man.. as mentioned by dazzla earlier in this thread..

iRiver = 60(W) X 19(D) X 105(H)mm - 160g

iPod = 60(W) X 16(D) X 104(H)mm - 158g

same width

iriver is 3mm deeper

iriver is 1mm higher

iriver weights 2 grams more

the way you're talking, you make it seem like its huge by saying its "larger". do you know how big 1mm is? pull out a ruler if you don't. its SMALL. WOW its a whole 1mm higher and 3mm deeper. OMG ITS HUGE

holy crap it weighs 2 grams more! OMG i can't carry it its so heavy!

c'mon get real

/edit. i own neither of these mp3 players. i probably never will. and i apologize using you as an example, but actually making a point out of the size/weight difference when its practically the same is crazy. its almost the same as some video card fanboys making a big deal about 1 card beating another by 1fps. BIG DEAL

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The post was why the iRiver should be considered over the iPod.

The dimensions are almost the same as the iPod? Even if they were exactly the same as the iPod, or even slightly smaller, explain why that is a reason to consider the iRiver over the iPod.

Whats what the post was supposed to be about no?

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2. Uses Lithium Polymer instead of Ion. The iPod uses a Polymer battery also.

Wrong, it uses Lithium Ion, lasts 8 hours MAX which isn't even a working day for me so it's 100% useless.

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The post was why the iRiver should be considered over the iPod.

The dimensions are almost the same as the iPod? Even if they were exactly the same as the iPod, or even slightly smaller, explain why that is a reason to consider the iRiver over the iPod.

Whats what the post was supposed to be about no?

do you own an ipod? if so, great! why do you feel the need to defend your purchase? who cares?

anyways.. continue on arguing.

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My bad. Was basing that off the older gen iPod which is Lithium Polymer.

The reason the new gen iPods only have 8 hours battery life vs 10-12 hours is due to the smaller battery, not the type of battery (1200mAh vs 850mAh)

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The post was why the iRiver should be considered over the iPod.

The dimensions are almost the same as the iPod? Even if they were exactly the same as the iPod, or even slightly smaller, explain why that is a reason to consider the iRiver over the iPod.

Whats what the post was supposed to be about no?

do you own an ipod? if so, great! why do you feel the need to defend your purchase? who cares?

anyways.. continue on arguing.

Nice reply, guess you can't answer that one.

Relax Spyder, yeah I own an iPod, but from a couple of years back :D So either the new iPod or iRiver would be better than what I currently own. I ain't defending any purchase. (I got 50% off the original 5GB iPOd when it was released ... so I got value for money!)

All I was doing was answering the post, point for point. Wasn't being nasty.

If the iRiver has an advantage over the iPod, or vice versa, fine. But saying one reason to consider the iRiver over the iPod was its size was the same as the iPod in my opinion is NOT a valid reason.

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whats to answer? that post was asking me things that i'm not even defending. even if the sizes were same or slightly smaller, i'd still be saying who cares. its insignficant. but anyways.. aahhhh why am i even talking about this.. i wouldn't even buy an mp3 player in the first place haha

oh and if i get any more relaxed here man i'll **** myself lol :x

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But saying one reason to consider the iRiver over the iPod was its size was the same as the iPod in my opinion is NOT a valid reason.

I'd say it is, considering the iPod is the sexiest little player out there and the iRiver can have all these extra features at a comparable size; that's a reason for me.

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pretty funny, lots of people saying "much better than an ipod" and then one person comes in supporting the ipod and you jump all over him like no one's business, and yet he's the fanboy, heh, oh well.

i'm not a big fan of regular buttons anymore. they do nothing but break over the long run which is why the ipod is pretty appealing to me. no dust or dirt or grime or whatever can get between the buttons and there are no moving parts to break.

i also like the fact that the dock has an audio out. i can throw an ipod into the dock and play songs through my radio significantly reducing load and mem usage on my computer. sure beats the hell out of having itunes open while trying to play a game, and all without having to fiddle with cables.

in the end it all comes down to preference. i don't own a single ogg file and probably never will, i never listen to the radio, and i own a mac. obviously the ipod is the choice for me.

"better" doesn't exist in factual terms. "better" is all based on who's looking at the product.

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Have you guys seen the new Dell MP3 Player?

Comes in 15GB (249.00 US) and 20GB. (269.00 US)

Plays MP3 and WMA.

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/c...s=19&l=en&s=dhs

I don't care for the fixed battery though. If you are out and your battery dies, I like to be able to replace them quickly. I usually carry 2 extra AA's in my nike bag if I have it with me.

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The post was why the iRiver should be considered over the iPod.

The dimensions are almost the same as the iPod? Even if they were exactly the same as the iPod, or even slightly smaller, explain why that is a reason to consider the iRiver over the iPod.

Whats what the post was supposed to be about no?

The reason why I mentioned the dimesions in my post was because a lot of people buy into Ipod's hype because of its form factor. If you look at the picture of the IRiver, no doubt it would seem like it's a bigger player. When you actually look at the dimensions, you will see that this isnt the case.

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Whats with the "i" in all these names? iPod...iRiver

Marketing my dear chap marketing. Granny X goes to get mp3 players for Grandson Y and Grandaughter Z She knows mac made an iSomething sees iriver looks close enough cha ching. Also it sounds cool. lol:blink:k:

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the fact that the iRiver is slightly larger than the ipod will make me reconsider it, cuz i already feel ipod being sligtly big when i put it in my pocket.., plus from the picture, the iRiver seems pretty thick, and i would want to carry that in my pocket...., just my opinion...

i do accept the fact that ipod lacks some feature that would be nice to have, like recording. although its not something that'll change my position, more is always better...^^

Spyder- the size may not se an issue for you, but it is definitely an issue for many poeple.

Dazzla- one question, what work do you do.(i would love to have the same job as you).? i was just curious cuz you seem to be very harsh on battery life issue saying that ipod's won't last a working day. Do you listen to music every hour during your work..? if yes, then that must be the best job ever...^^heheheh

And for those you keeps bragging that iRiver got good customer service and update, well, Apple does as well. Apple had released many firmware updates already, just in case you didn't know.

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Spyder- the size may not se an issue for you, but it is definitely an issue for many poeple.

this has nothing to do with me, i dont want any mp3 player at all. i'm not questioning that people might care about size. my post said nothing of that nature. what i said was that the size difference between these 2 products is insignificant. we're talking 1 to 3 millimeters here. millimeters! do you know how tiny that is? its insignificant. to try to say otherwise is just stupid.

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this has nothing to do with me, i dont want any mp3 player at all. i'm not questioning that people might care about size. my post said nothing of that nature. what i said was that the size difference between these 2 products is insignificant. we're talking 1 to 3 millimeters here. millimeters! do you know how tiny that is? its insignificant. to try to say otherwise is just stupid.

Well.... there you have it. Size does NOT matter! :rofl:

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