Agent_of_Knowledge Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Ok, I know I'm gonna regret posting this. because I've scoured message boards all over the net looking for some deep thinkers to help me figure out what is happening in the matrix before Nov 05. Why? "because I like candy" I dont like thinking I cant figure something out on my own I.E. I dont like thinking I'm not in control. But it seems that instead of people working together to try to solve this puzzle with the information given we get people posting ideas they have, and other people posting "no way, you suck, I dont like that idea. I'm right because I say I am".. Typical... So here goes my 75cents (was 2cents, inflaition you know) The Humans won the war. I know, I know you dont like this answer, so your gonna tell me I'm wrong, go ahead. But what I'm going to tell you is the only conclusion I could come to that resolved all the information I have got from the first two movies and the animatrix and enter the matrix. It is a theory and despite it being a good one I know that 99% will accept it and 1% will reject it. Maybe a lesser program will help resolve that problem. On to the Theorum. Humans win and create the matrix to keep the A.I. machines in a fantasy world thinking they are humans because the humans need machines to continue doing the work without causing problems, like starting a rebellion and killing people. They do this because when they nuked 01 they scorched the sky and rendered the earth uninhabitable for humans. They needed the machines to keep them alive until the earth healed. This matrix was designed to have controls and failsafes. It also included a routine to monitor the A.I's development. And a designed senario to test if the an A.I. had developed to the point that it could co-exist with humans in peace. You see the problem with the first machine that became self aware was it only developed a sense of self preservation while that is one of the traits of being a living entity, it by no means is the only one. Later the machines evolved to adapt another human trait, hate. These first signs of sentient thought, self preservation and hate, showed that the A.I. machines could possibly evolve to matching all the traits needed to live as an equal with mankind. The problem is they had only begun the journey to being a real living entity. These new emotions Self awareness coupled with self preservation and hate caused them to rise up like little hate inbittered children against the creators, who summarilly spanked them (With a lot of nukes) and put them in the matrix to think about what they did until they grow up enough to be let out. The A.I.'s that reject the matrix are sent to the fail safe, Zion. Here they are out of the way and are used by the system to find the one, that is the only one that will reject the matrix and the failsafe. The function of the matrix is to keep the A.I. trapped in la la land. The function of Zion is to use the A.I. that reject the matrix to find the real threat, the one I.E. the one that will reject both holding cells. The system sets up an entire fictional chain of events from the first time it started to the time the one is found, for the purpose of testing the one to see if it has evolved to the point of having all the traits of a human. I.E. self aware, self preservation, abstract thought, care, compasion, sacrifice, love. If the one has not met these conditions then it will allways choose the door to the right, allowing the code of the one to be re-entered into the matrix keeping all the progress it made before intact. The restart command is also embeded into the one as soon as the system knows it has been found, that way when the one re-enters the source the progress the one has made is saved and the system receives the restart command. Thats why everyone talks like they have done all this before, its because they have. Everyone gets messed up here thinking that totally different people played out the previous matrix runs, not true. Everything happend just like before because everyone was in it just like before, Neo, Trin, Morf, you get it. Its all software no humans. Anyway Neo has passed the test and this time has done something the previous A.I.'s / one did'nt do. He has trancended the limits of a machine and has gained all the traits a human has, the last trait he gained was love so he did something very human and very not machine, something not logical. Even though the only logical thing to do was enter the source he chose love and hope. Now he will have to face the final test of the system before he will become the first A.I. to leave the matrix. He will have to show self sacrifice for love. Then he will be shown the truth. That he is a machine that has become fully human. And he will be the link between man and machine. The one to teach the machines all the traits they need to live at peace with man. 2 cents over. :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kompressor Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 wow..kinda long post huh? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
episode Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Plausible theory. I have no opinion on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev64 Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 None of that is in it. :rolleyes: :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDreamX Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Wow, this idea is awesome. Very interesting and possible. I have my own theories, but there might be atleast a shred of truth in this. Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheif_Bigfoot Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 I think that sounds like it could be true. I however, am not that deep of a thinker and will just wait until I get an answer. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostspyder Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 first off its a movie....... Second its a form of entertainment third if neo were a program, the movie would be gay and anoying. The whole movie would be about a bunch of computer programs fighting against itself. fourth, If the AI didnt have feelings at this point, they werent realy AI. The pure defination of AI requres feelings of some sort, without them it isnt realy sentient, and therfore not truly AI. You cant also have only one type of feeling, because feelings are relitive. When you say your happy when you got a new x-box, i would say i would be happier drunk off my ass screwing britney spears. The only reason happiness exists is because saddness exists. Its like zen. WIthout evil in the world there would be no good, and vice versa. Your computer doesnt teach itself because it doesnt feel the need to. If we removed all the homones from a human being we woulnt have anything more then a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryptonik Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Hm, very interesting, Speed. Lets wait 5 more days to see what really happens instead of having to guess. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsteele_7 Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Great theory I have no opinion one way or another but urs makes ALOT of sense and I think is very plausible BTW u should charge for ur predictions of the future... Considering how acurate u were about lotsypers post lol Very deep insight Great job and to all you flamers there's no reason to flame or stifle creativity and deep, insight-filled, independant thought if it doesn't suit you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowpie Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Although based on insight from a snipplet posted the same day Reloaded was released(I believe there was even a link to it in you local Neowin forum); I doubt this theory to be true. Knowing the W bros, they will come out with something totally leftfield....this is a very common theory. It will end up being something totally different, and I seriously doubt anyone will come up with it before its released... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjordan2001 Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Why would we reprogram machines to think they're human to do work? Wouldn't it just be easier to reprogram them not to rebel? How would they do work if they think they're human? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adem Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 speed deamon .. the agents names are Johnson & Thompson .. i always forget wut the third one is called (no...its not smith :D) go on the matrix site and updat eur signature quote thingy :p EDIT :: (forgot to close the tag) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yup23Hehe Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Wait, how does this fit in with Trinity dying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got3n Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 what??? Trinity DIES NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! lol, good theory man, i have seen alot, so im gonna just wait for the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalN. Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 what??? Trinity DIES NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! lol, good theory man, i have seen alot, so im gonna just wait for the movie. lol! i dont think she dies. Rember when she got a .50 Cal bullet in her stomach in Reloaded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericnkatz Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Great great theory, It makes alot of sense if you have seen the Matrix, Reloaded and Animatrix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 If the AI didnt have feelings at this point, they werent realy AI. The pure defination of AI requres feelings of some sort Why does sentience require feeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralRooster Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 What an interesting, and LONG thoery you have there. The thoery is quite plausible, being that it is The Matrix we are talking about, and works from every angle. The only problem is Time. We have been shown that a lot is due to happen in this final part of The Matrix. Agent Smith, and Agent Smith, and Agent Smith and you get the idea, the outcome of all the efforts Neo has gone through, the success or fall of Zion and more. All this to happen in one movie. Also the 'road to AI, human style' aspect of your thoery doesn't quite fit. I, and i'm sure others have seen no proof that other members of 'The Matrix' are showing any signs of not having any of these feelings. Love, Hate, etc.. And to show this development in one movie could proof difficult and unrealistic. Personally I feel that Man and Machine unite for the greater good i.e. Agent Smith, is a slightly more likely ending. But we shall see. Apart from that, the Thoery is sound. Let's just all hope it doesn't all turn out to be Neo, dreaming, at his desk at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futb0l Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 *claps* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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