Wendy's franchisee slashes worker hours to sidestep ObamaCare

[ILikeTobacco]

Funny that, cos the 75% tax is only for the super rich (i.e. people who earn a fantastical amount a year) and isn't being implemented as the French PM killed it.

And you clearly misunderstand tax - tax doesn't go to help the poor, it goes to pay for all sorts of government services that EVERYONE uses.

Like the recent payraise that Congress gave itself. Glad to know that the recent tax increase on the lower/middle class is going to something useful.

[Luis Mazza]

Funny that, cos the 75% tax is only for the super rich (i.e. people who earn a fantastical amount a year) and isn't being implemented as the French PM killed it.

And you clearly misunderstand tax - tax doesn't go to help the poor, it goes to pay for all sorts of government services that EVERYONE uses.

Because clearly, France needs more roads, tons of policemen and firemen (when there's no population for these jobs)?

Or is it because the government wants to pay for social welfare, creating a nation of vagabonds depending on the government?

Also, as that absolutely CRAZY and IRRESPONSIBLE idea was not implemented, do you think a socialist government that even PROPOSES such a BS should be in the presidency in the first place?

[FloatingFatMan]

Like the recent payraise that Congress gave itself. Glad to know that the recent tax increase on the lower/middle class is going to something useful.

^ So, stop letting them get away with it?

[Luis Mazza]

I'm not French either. Taking 75% of your wages is, IMO, nothing but theft.

Of course, ARE they really taking that much? I have no idea how the French income tax system works, only the UK's, but over here, when you fall into the higher tax brackets, you only pay the higher rate on the amount within the higher tax braclet.

So, for example, If you earned ?55,000 a year, and the higher tax bracket started at ?50,000, the you would pay the lower tax rate on the first ?50,000 (minus a tax free portion amount we have over here), then the higher rate on ?5,000.

If the French work their system like that, then they're not being taxed 75% of their income, just a portion of their income. That's still too much, but not as bad as the scaremongers would have you believe. Of course, if the French tax system doesn't work like that, it gets worse again, but we probably need a French person's input on that.

Either way, there's still a chunk of scaremongering going on from the media.

Fact is, they dropped this insanity. But they PROPOSED the insanity in the first place.

^ So, stop letting them get away with it?

Not sure what you mean?

[FloatingFatMan]

Not sure what you mean?

Wasn't replying to you, your post got in the way. I've edited my post to clarify.

[LittleNeutrino Veteran]

So, basically, it's a dick move by all. Nothing like your employer ****ing you over to a save a few bucks. Lovely.

Pretty much how i see it, And its not about making money for these places more than its about saving it. There are a lot of smaller companies that would go out of business if they had to pay medical benefits for their employees however, at the same time i can understand just raising prices to compensate because everyone is in this boat together. and its is a justifiable reason to an increase in costs.

[betax]

This is what I do not understand.

If you have over 50 employees and you are asking a sizeable portion of your part-time employees to work over 32 hours a week (a mere 8 hours shy of a full-time employee and usually its around 34/36hrs); you should, indeed, offer benefits. The fast food and retail industrys have used this method to sidestep and keep 'full time-like' employees without properly compensating them.

If your business is under 50 employees and you decide to still offer healthcare, you actually get a tax CREDIT with certain insurance plans so this actually helps smaller businesses.

[Luis Mazza]

Pretty much how i see it, And its not about making money for these places more than its about saving it. There are a lot of smaller companies that would go out of business if they had to pay medical benefits for their employees however, at the same time i can understand just raising prices to compensate because everyone is in this boat together. and its is a justifiable reason to an increase in costs.

It's called inflation.

The moment you're living (and the outlook is worse) is called recession.

Looks like the perfect combination... for doom, of course.

[ahhell]

That's what socialism does. And it IS doing it.

You keep using that word. Maybe you should actually learn what it means. :rolleyes:

[Luis Mazza]

You keep using that word. Maybe you should actually learn what it means. :rolleyes:

Really? Thanks for the advice!

/s

:D

[PGHammer]

I hope this franchise location goes out of business because the employees don't perform as well as they were if they were being treated with respect. I certaintly wouldn't perform well at a job I knew didn't value me enough.

I have news for you - this was predicted by the opponents of ACA.

Why is this happening? Simple - it's more cost-effective (for the employer) to either cut the hours OR pay the fine than to pay ever-increasing insurance premiums. (In case you haven't noticed, health-insurance premiums - except for Medicare/Medicaid) are going up, and up, and UP!) Either the employer cuts hours/people, pays the fine, or (as you seem to be insisting) he passes the increased costs on to either the employees (in the form of lower pay) or on to the customers (in the form of higher prices) - if not both.

I used to work in fast-food (both for a Wendy's franchisee and a Checker's franchisee) - so I can very much identify with the employee in this particular pickle. However, I have the capability of doing math, and understand business accounting - when a fine for NOT doing something is less expensive than doing something, you pay the SMALLER of the two costs - going the other way leaves you at the mercy of those that take the less-costly approach - and you can best believe that this particular Wendy's franchisee is FAR from alone. So get off your high-hobby-horse already.

[HawkMan]

Really? Thanks for the advice!

/s

:D

Well he's correct. cause you obviously don't from your last few posts in this thread alone.

[Jason S. Global Moderator]

Ask any Doctor or Med Student why it's a waste.

I know of hospital systems that are going to lose $10-15 million in subsidies from the government and from health insurance companies because of ObamaCare. Individual hospitals can lose between $1 & 4 Million. They lose big time. Less money coming in means the Doctors (especially those in residency programs) make less money, and the equipment goes into disrepair.

i recently spoke to an acquaintance, who is a Dr at the Cleveland Clinic. He told me how Obama care is affecting his practice. Here's a scenario - patient comes in complaining of <whatever>. Dr. knows exactly what the cause is and how to treat it. However, b/c of Obama care, he is now required to run a series of unnecessary, and costly, tests just to prove it wasnt something else. What good is that? All that does is cost the hospital more money and takes up more of the Drs' and Nurses' time. Those added costs go to insurance companies and will eventually pass down to you.

in my case - last year we had to renew our company-provided health insurance policy. my current policy was set to doublein price. i had to change my policy.

[HSoft]

Sure, its called reality.

bwahaha. Needed a laugh this morning, thanks. Maybe it's your perceived reality but it certainly isn't reality.

If a company is suddenly hit with tens of thousands in additional operating costs then something has to give. A lot of businesses just can't afford the additional expense. Another option (the one Wendy's has taken) is to avoid the additonal expense.

You just expect companies to suck up the additional cost like nothing happened. But I suppose all businesses are bad, they just want to make money. Perhaps the government should take them over and run them all as non-profit?

[farmeunit]

And we want to strive for a life where people must work 2 to 3 jobs at a time to just survive....... really?

I'm not saying we should strive for that, but you do what you need to do. It's no one's responsibility to provide for you except yourself. I don't get why people feel so entitled to someone else taking care of them. Sure, I believe a company should do what they feasibly can to provide for their employees. But their business is there priority. At that point, the employees need to take responsibility and get a second job, or they can lose their job completely and search for another. Not real complicated.

[shakey]

I'm not saying we should strive for that, but you do what you need to do. It's no one's responsibility to provide for you except yourself. I don't get why people feel so entitled to someone else taking care of them. Sure, I believe a company should do what they feasibly can to provide for their employees. But their business is there priority. At that point, the employees need to take responsibility and get a second job, or they can lose their job completely and search for another. Not real complicated.

So lets not reform business into something good, but just say, it's the workers fault if they don't get enough money.... You still dont grasp the whole concept.

[HawkMan]

i recently spoke to an acquaintance, who is a Dr at the Cleveland Clinic. He told me how Obama care is affecting his practice. Here's a scenario - patient comes in complaining of <whatever>. Dr. knows exactly what the cause is and how to treat it. However, b/c of Obama care, he is now required to run a series of unnecessary, and costly, tests just to prove it wasnt something else. What good is that? All that does is cost the hospital more money and takes up more of the Drs' and Nurses' time. Those added costs go to insurance companies and will eventually pass down to you.

in my case - last year we had to renew our company-provided health insurance policy. my current policy was set to doublein price. i had to change my policy.

Well it does make sure that the doctor actually properly diagnoses it, instead of treating something he "knows" what is. do you have any idea how many people have been treated for something else when they had cancer, and then died because it wasn't caught in time. or people who got worse because they where treated fro the wrong disease and was then given medication that made their condition worse. There's so many examples of this, where if the doctors had bothered to take the tests, it would have saved life, or prevented people from severe disabilities.

[Chris123NT]

Like the recent payraise that Congress gave itself. Glad to know that the recent tax increase on the lower/middle class is going to something useful.

Actually Obama did that, not congress. Some senators in congress want to try and block it because they realize we have a deficit problem.

And as for the topic at hand, I'm really not surprised. The costs of health insurance are astronomical, and they're only getting higher as this so called affordable care act takes effect. The costs alone would put any company running on a tight profit margin in the red. Of course they have the option of making employees pay a portion of the benefit but that only takes away a small amount of the cost, not enough to make a difference. So from a purely business and economical standpoint, and to preserve the business, cutting hours is the only option.

[Anibal P]

Actually Obama did that, not congress. Some senators in congress want to try and block it because they realize we have a deficit problem.

And as for the topic at hand, I'm really not surprised. The costs of health insurance are astronomical, and they're only getting higher as this so called affordable care act takes effect. The costs alone would put any company running on a tight profit margin in the red. Of course they have the option of making employees pay a portion of the benefit but that only takes away a small amount of the cost, not enough to make a difference. So from a purely business and economical standpoint, and to preserve the business, cutting hours is the only option.

But that's a reasonable and well thought out response to a horrible situation, the Left doesn't care about reasonable and well thought out, they rather demonize smart business owners than face the reality that their policies are crap and do harm to those the usually claim to be helping, the poor and middle class

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Ask any Doctor or Med Student why it's a waste.

I know of hospital systems that are going to lose $10-15 million in subsidies from the government and from health insurance companies because of ObamaCare. Individual hospitals can lose between $1 & 4 Million. They lose big time. Less money coming in means the Doctors (especially those in residency programs) make less money, and the equipment goes into disrepair.

I'm not looking forward to my residency. I'll be 35, working 90 hours a week, making $30k a year. At least right now, people like my ex are making $53k. And trust me... for the amount of work she put in, that's nowhere near enough!

The US Government cannot even manage social security. If you think that they will do a great job with Obamacare then look for another profession. I am sure somewhere in that 14K bill, there is a statement saying how much a Doctor can earn. You see the amount of money Doctors make puts them in the upper 5% and this does not fit in with this Socialist/communist President that is trying to socialize America.

[Growled Member]

i recently spoke to an acquaintance, who is a Dr at the Cleveland Clinic. He told me how Obama care is affecting his practice. Here's a scenario - patient comes in complaining of <whatever>. Dr. knows exactly what the cause is and how to treat it. However, b/c of Obama care, he is now required to run a series of unnecessary, and costly, tests just to prove it wasnt something else. What good is that? All that does is cost the hospital more money and takes up more of the Drs' and Nurses' time. Those added costs go to insurance companies and will eventually pass down to you.

I have a niece that is a nurse and she says the same thing. She says get ready for healthcare to not only go out the roof fiscally, but the redundancy of procedures is going to be crazy. Why can't the government just stay out of things?

[HawkMan]

I have a niece that is a nurse and she says the same thing. She says get ready for healthcare to not only go out the roof fiscally, but the redundancy of procedures is going to be crazy. Why can't the government just stay out of things?

because it's their job to always take care of all the people, and not just the high middle class and up.

[Luis Mazza]

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[giantsnyy]

The US Government cannot even manage social security. If you think that they will do a great job with Obamacare then look for another profession. I am sure somewhere in that 14K bill, there is a statement saying how much a Doctor can earn. You see the amount of money Doctors make puts them in the upper 5% and this does not fit in with this Socialist/communist President that is trying to socialize America.

I'm in total agreement... I won't change what I want to do though.

I like helping people. Even if there's no money in it, I'll still be a happy person knowing I'm doing what I love.

[Hum]

This is what I find disturbing -- Wendy is fatter :| :