OrangeSoul Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 The ending was perfect, it was perfect because the machines were angry at thier own creation, smith, when neo said he can stop them , the machine head got mad and said "WE DONT NEED YOU TO STOP HIM" meaning he was a direct thread to thier own existence and they were frustated by smith and also by the fact that a human was here to tell him only he can stop them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatnipOligarchy Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I cant believe you saw the move 2x in one day... :rolleyes: i saw it twice in 10 hours, once at the employee showing at 10pm and once at zero hour at 8am... although i just saw it the 2nd time hoping i would be more impressed... wasnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSoul Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 is there really going to be a fourth? No the story ended here, if there WILL be a fourth matrix it wont be called a matrix or will be in the matrix . if the brothers do ever decide to make anyhting related to the matrix, they will make a full live action movie of the Second Rennessaince, but I dont see it happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M$ Agent #2 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I dont think Neo died. But then again it wouldnt be the first time he died :) Edit: Also the oracle said that his power extended to both worlds. so maybe he is The One ! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSoul Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 I dont think Neo died. But then again it wouldnt be the first time he died :) I think his body died, but not his soul, he become one with the matrix, if u notice, everyone smith took over was lying on the floor (oracle, sati etc) but not neo, that would lead me the believe Neo is still in the Matrix, but a part of it, he has reached full karma and is infact one with the matrix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chem Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 1. Why couldn't the machines go above the darkened sky? Like Neo/Trinity did? 2. In Zion while the Sentenials were attacking, why didn't Zion just keep unleashing EMP bombs to rid themselves of the Sentenials? Where were all the ships that apparently were needed at Zion? 3. Is Neo a program? like the Oracle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSoul Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 1. Why couldn't the machines go above the darkened sky? Like Neo/Trinity did?2. In Zion while the Sentenials were attacking, why didn't Zion just keep unleashing EMP bombs to rid themselves of the Sentenials? Where were all the ships that apparently were needed at Zion? 3. Is Neo a program? like the Oracle? 1. The CLouds are form of EMP, the ships power was also lost and couldnt power up to avoid the tower 2. Because all the ships were destroyed first by Bane and this was the last ship with EMP, the EMP`s were only installed in ships, they didnt have time to make New EMp`s in 72 hours 3. Neo is the one. He is an anomoly of an unbalanced equation, he is a human and a program(realised when he was jacked without logging into the matrix) but him being a program is still in doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuja Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Neo is human, by the Architect own words. "You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 In the first movie when Morpheus was explaining what had happened to Neo didn't he say the air was toxic or no human could go above the clouds, or something to that affect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSoul Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 i dont remember that, but the ship was supposedly sealed with neo and trin inside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M$ Agent #2 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Yes but the air in san diego is also Toxic heheheh I think he means you wouldnt want to live out in it for more then a few days ? Edit: Operation Dark Star must have been some good stuff if it was still blocking the sun for hundreds of years ? "No one knows exactly what year it is...." hehehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 K, my next question. Didn't Niobe and her crew die in the second one, they were all jacked in and lost the connection when the ship was attacked. Don't you die if you loose your connection to the Matrix? If not why do people bother with phones? Why not just disconnect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuja Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Wrong ship. There where 3 ships connected involved in the "going to the source with neo trip" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Ooohh... Niobe's was the one taking care of the power plant, gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSoul Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 K, my next question. Didn't Niobe and her crew die in the second one, they were all jacked in and lost the connection when the ship was attacked. Don't you die if you loose your connection to the Matrix? If not why do people bother with phones? Why not just disconnect? There were 3 ships, one was the one blasted by Sentinels, one was the Neb and one was Niobe`s ship which survived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teka Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 2 how did he kill agent smith ? 2. Neo was taken over by smith, the machines inserted enough energy to kill neo and smith, the body cannot live without the soul (matrix 1), once 1 smith was killed the others died as a result of logic, a body cannot live without its soul, even one getting killed would make smith useless and soulless Ummm.. I'm not convinced with that answer. I think that when Neo was taken over by smith, the source took control over Smith because Neo was plugged into the source! At that point, The source could destroy Smith because it/he was under its control... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuja Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 2. Neo was taken over by smith, the machines inserted enough energy to kill neo and smith, the body cannot live without the soul (matrix 1), once 1 smith was killed the others died as a result of logic, a body cannot live without its soul, even one getting killed would make smith useless and soulless Ummm.. I'm not convinced with that answer. I think that when Neo was taken over by smith, the source took control over Smith because Neo was plugged to the source! At that point, The source could destroy Smith because it was under its control... You're right. By the "admin" machine enabling Neo to "jack-in" back into the matrix, he connected everything to the rest of his body... and since the place that this happened was 01, im betting 99% that Neo or the "admin" machine had/or gave access neo to the source/or the machine enabled a "kick-back" using the source... Neo is the + of the matrix, and Smith is the -, being Neo's exact negative. When both combined, and exposed to the source (aka by the admin machine), both powers nullify each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSoul Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 2. Neo was taken over by smith, the machines inserted enough energy to kill neo and smith, the body cannot live without the soul (matrix 1), once 1 smith was killed the others died as a result of logic, a body cannot live without its soul, even one getting killed would make smith useless and soulless Ummm.. I'm not convinced with that answer. I think that when Neo was taken over by smith, the source took control over Smith because Neo was plugged into the source! At that point, The source could destroy Smith because it/he was under its control... thats what i said LOL but u said it in simple words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teka Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Neo is the + of the matrix, and Smith is the -, being Neo's exact negative. When both combined, and exposed to the source (aka by the admin machine), both powers nullify each other. Yep, I think the same. As someone said in other thread: "in other words: neo = 1 and smith = -1, 1 + -1 = 0. when they balanced out, both ceased to exist with in the matrix." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger.Girl Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 why didnt i save my money and just read the bible instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Jesus Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 why didnt i save my money and just read the bible instead? For 20 bucks I can give you the answer to that question. :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-}x0{- Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 i think what happened at the very end is a new matrix started, but the people in zion were allowed to continue on with their lives. and when the oracle says they might see neo again, that means the cycle will probably start over after the peace ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted November 6, 2003 Veteran Share Posted November 6, 2003 i saw it twice in 10 hours, once at the employee showing at 10pm and once at zero hour at 8am... although i just saw it the 2nd time hoping i would be more impressed... wasnt I saw it zero hour, thought it was crap and got my 6:30 tickets refunded and watched Kill Bill instead :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borbus Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 :o you can get tickets refunded if you find a film crap!? I can't believe any cinema would let me do this considering they dont even let me have posters :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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