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willgill

Yes, because $150 Nike are made to kill people, and often used to do so. Oh wait...

What? I think you missed the point. I find people that buy 6 pairs of $150 crazy. Don't take it literally. I just think that's a poor decision. On the other hand, my guns gain value and they're a BLAST to shoot. Don't knock it till you try it :)
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KingCracker

What? Dumb and mentally challenged cling to guns anyway - as we have seen in these shootings everywhere.

US doesn't really help mentally ill much - most end up homeless bums.

US doesn't help the dumb either - 46% or something close of Americans are creationist.

Many drop out, education system is a failure and politics is just a system of who can tell and spin a bigger dumb lie and pretend to be more religious right.

Such people need not guns.

Police and other government organizations are specialized and trained and have way more merit holding a weapon of any kind that the average American.

Such strict regulations would stop people from acquiring guns and killing with them - after all majority were legally acquired in mass shootings.

Everyone else has Hollywood and Halo for their weapon fetishes.

I guess you can be more stereo typical. I would guess those that believe in creationism are Christians, I don't know about marry old England but here we have freedom of religion, if you don't like religion that's fine but why not let people do as they wish and believe what they want to believe? Secondly the government and the police can't protect us, Stockton police department can't even fuel their police cars, and many other police departments have made cuts to their police force and patrols also not everyone lives next to a police station a lot of the time it takes 10-15 minutes or even longer for a police officer to arrive. If someones trying to kill me i'd rather the cops show up to find the criminals body rather than mine.. Also who are you tell me what I can and can't do. I have never hurt anyone in my life and so I guess to you I can't be trusted. Lets force everyone to give up their property because of a few, makes no sense. A protectionist culture is not one I would like to see. I edon't want to be told this or that object is dangerous so I can't touch it. I'll decide for myself if I want to own something. I own 8 firearms, I know a lot of people that own a lot more than me. Do we need that many? No, do we want to own them, yes. I want to live in a country where I have freedom to choose what I want to own or do, just because you find something dangerous doesn't mean they shouldn't be owned. As long as i'm not harming anyone then you have nothing to worry about. Those that do harm to others need to be dealt with the ones that don't, are the ones that never hurt anyone and never will and thats millions of gun owners. Just because one person flips out and shoots people in a theatre doesn't mean everyone will.
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Noir Angel

I want to live in a country where I have freedom to choose what I want to own or do.

Freedom like the Patriot act you mean?

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KingCracker

Freedom like the Patriot act you mean?

We're just copying from the British ;). Bring up the patriot act but that doesn't mean I agree with it. You act as if I and others agree with it..
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willgill

What? Dumb and mentally challenged cling to guns anyway - as we have seen in these shootings everywhere.

US doesn't really help mentally ill much - most end up homeless bums.

US doesn't help the dumb either - 46% or something close of Americans are creationist.

Many drop out, education system is a failure and politics is just a system of who can tell and spin a bigger dumb lie and pretend to be more religious right.

Such people need not guns.

Police and other government organizations are specialized and trained and have way more merit holding a weapon of any kind that the average American.

Such strict regulations would stop people from acquiring guns and killing with them - after all majority were legally acquired in mass shootings.

Everyone else has Hollywood and Halo for their weapon fetishes.

What is with the name calling? I detect frustration. To your point of police and government organizations have merit holding guns, do you realize many private gun owners have extensive training from multi-day civilian facilities like FrontSight? Many private gun owners practice more than the military or police. God bless the men in blue, but they need help from the community.

I really find it hard to believe mass murders would be thwarted by legal hassles. In America the places where guns are plentiful, like gun shows, I've never heard of mass shootings. It's only places that restrict guns like theaters, schools, malls where they exist.

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ArialBlue

Another case of properly trained individual perfectly sane individual almost killing someone,

http://www.nypost.co...iJlAp2G4LRuV21M

EDIT: I am very much anti-gun, nothing personal... and I know that I am unfit, mentally, to have a gun.

I guess you can be more stereo typical. I would guess those that believe in creationism are Christians, I don't know about marry old England but here we have freedom of religion, if you don't like religion that's fine but why not let people do as they wish and believe what they want to believe? Secondly the government and the police can't protect us, Stockton police department can't even fuel their police cars, and many other police departments have made cuts to their police force and patrols also not everyone lives next to a police station a lot of the time it takes 10-15 minutes or even longer for a police officer to arrive. If someones trying to kill me i'd rather the cops show up to find the criminals body rather than mine.. Also who are you tell me what I can and can't do. I have never hurt anyone in my life and so I guess to you I can't be trusted. Lets force everyone to give up their property because of a few, makes no sense. A protectionist culture is not one I would like to see. I edon't want to be told this or that object is dangerous so I can't touch it. I'll decide for myself if I want to own something. I own 8 firearms, I know a lot of people that own a lot more than me. Do we need that many? No, do we want to own them, yes. I want to live in a country where I have freedom to choose what I want to own or do, just because you find something dangerous doesn't mean they shouldn't be owned. As long as i'm not harming anyone then you have nothing to worry about. Those that do harm to others need to be dealt with the ones that don't, are the ones that never hurt anyone and never will and thats millions of gun owners. Just because one person flips out and shoots people in a theatre doesn't mean everyone will.

People can believe what they want to believe. But a neo Nazi beliefs are not what one would call sane or intelligent. Same can be said for any form of religious extremist like Creationism. It is simply hints an unfit mind to be in a position of power, such as holding office or having access to guns.

American police problems are simply a failure of American system such as allowing voting for those of age instead of those of sound mind. We voted against socialist police services therefore guns is not a sound argument.

What you say after can also be said about marijuana, except it doesn't kill people. I am assuming you are against recreational drugs though as is the case stereotypically with gun-heads. But, in the off-chance that you are not against weed, I ask you - why not focus on legalization of a feel-good drug instead - prioritizing a tool for the removal of life is not a good thing.

There has been a major amount of gun related massacres in a short period of time in US.

It seem to be a trend.

And frankly - why do you need a gun? Do you feel safer with it? Paranoia much? Or would you feel empowered to get into sticky situations more often as now you hold a gun? Do you want to show it off to others to intimidate or scare them? Do you hunt with it? Do you like the idea of killing living things with it? Does it make you feel proud of your nation? Are you compensating for something? Do you carry it around with you? Couldn't you have spend that money on say... charity, a gift for your significant other, vacation? Do you play a lot of first person shooters? Do you like watching war videos? suicide videos? terrorist videos? Do you have someone you hate? Do you have a strong political opinion leaning one way or another? Would you take your gun to a place of worship if you could? Have you even seen a psychiatrist? Are you on antidepressants?

What is with the name calling? I detect frustration. To your point of police and government organizations have merit holding guns, do you realize many private gun owners have extensive training from multi-day civilian facilities like FrontSight? Many private gun owners practice more than the military or police. God bless the men in blue, but they need help from the community.

I really find it hard to believe mass murders would be thwarted by legal hassles. In America the places where guns are plentiful, like gun shows, I've never heard of mass shootings. It's only places that restrict guns like theaters, schools, malls where they exist.

Most massacre weaponry was bought legally. I mean, lets say some guy snaps from the pressures of life - buys a gun - shoots up the office. Nice. On the other hand, no gun sales, then what? Can you just magically find illegal weapons lying around?

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What? Dumb and mentally challenged cling to guns anyway - as we have seen in these shootings everywhere.

US doesn't really help mentally ill much - most end up homeless bums.

US doesn't help the dumb either - 46% or something close of Americans are creationist.

Many drop out, education system is a failure and politics is just a system of who can tell and spin a bigger dumb lie and pretend to be more religious right.

Such people need not guns.

Police and other government organizations are specialized and trained and have way more merit holding a weapon of any kind that the average American.

Such strict regulations would stop people from acquiring guns and killing with them - after all majority were legally acquired in mass shootings.

Everyone else has Hollywood and Halo for their weapon fetishes.

STFU and you're the dumb one

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ArialBlue

STFU and you're the dumb one

Q.E.D.

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KingCracker

Another case of properly trained individual perfectly sane individual almost killing someone,

http://www.nypost.co...iJlAp2G4LRuV21M

EDIT: I am very much anti-gun, nothing personal... and I know that I am unfit, mentally, to have a gun.

People can believe what they want to believe. But a neo Nazi beliefs are not what one would call sane or intelligent. Same can be said for any form of religious extremist like Creationism. It is simply hints an unfit mind to be in a position of power, such as holding office or having access to guns.

American police problems are simply a failure of American system such as allowing voting for those of age instead of those of sound mind. We voted against socialist police services therefore guns is not a sound argument.

What you say after can also be said about marijuana, except it doesn't kill people. I am assuming you are against recreational drugs though as is the case stereotypically with gun-heads. But, in the off-chance that you are not against weed, I ask you - why not focus on legalization of a feel-good drug instead - prioritizing a tool for the removal of life is not a good thing.

There has been a major amount of gun related massacres in a short period of time in US.

It seem to be a trend.

And frankly - why do you need a gun? Do you feel safer with it? Paranoia much? Or would you feel empowered to get into sticky situations more often as now you hold a gun? Do you want to show it off to others to intimidate or scare them? Do you hunt with it? Do you like the idea of killing living things with it? Does it make you feel proud of your nation? Are you compensating for something? Do you carry it around with you? Couldn't you have spend that money on say... charity, a gift for your significant other, vacation? Do you play a lot of first person shooters? Do you like watching war videos? suicide videos? terrorist videos? Do you have someone you hate? Do you have a strong political opinion leaning one way or another? Would you take your gun to a place of worship if you could? Have you even seen a psychiatrist? Are you on antidepressants?

Most massacre weaponry was bought legally. I mean, lets say some guy snaps from the pressures of life - buys a gun - shoots up the office. Nice. On the other hand, no gun sales, then what? Can you just magically find illegal weapons lying around?

You're post doesn't require an intelligent response since you make so many generalizations. I don't have to have a reason to own one. What if I wanted to own one just to own one? Am I doing you harm by owning one just because I want one? As long as i'm safe with it there shouldn't be a problem. I could delve deeper into the topic but i'm not going to because you'll generalize more and more. I mean really asking me if I like the idea of killing living things with my guns seriously? :rolleyes:
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SupportGeek

I also know that most people can suddenly want to commit crimes for a variety of reasons.

If this were true, then all the more reason to arm their potential victims.It levels the playing field.

You call firearms owners paranoid, yet you feel that MOST people will suddenly WANT to commit crimes?

Why not just throw everyone in jail now then and save them the hassle, because according to you, everyone is just a crime waiting to happen.

Your statement is pure drivel.

Giving guns to everyone is an excellent way to make sure that anyone motivated enough to commit a crime will try it.

Do you have some magical insight on the human condition that lets you make these kinds of statements?

Also, despite how "easy" you feel access to firearms is over in the USA, its not nearly as easy as you think to legally obtain one.

If guns were illegal, a lot of people would stop at the "buy an illegal gun from some shady dealer" part and think twice.

Your logic fails here too.

If this were the case, then why dont they stop at the whole, MURDER IS ALREADY ILLEGAL, thing and think twice?

People dont, they will commit murder and atrocity for whatever reason they want, and damn the consequence.

Simple example: A man discovers his wife is cheating on him, and gets very angry. If he has a gun home, he might try to use it in a fit of rage. If he doesn't, he will not go buy an illegal gun to kill his wife.

Actually what happens more often with crimes of passion, he beats or stabs her to death. The idea that a legal normally law abiding firearms owner will to go to his safe, unlock it, remove the firearm, remove the lock from the action, load the weapon, then return is a big reason why these kinds of things dont happen the way you think they do.

Just to put another perspective on your poorly thought out example, man finds out about cheating wife, being generally physically stronger than women, he starts to beat her, or tries to stab her, woman owns and carries a handgun, this levels the playing field, where before she had NO chance, she can now at least defend herself with her firearm if need be.

The main argument of the pro-gun movement is that guns are necessary for protection. But most of the crimes you are defending yourself against wouldn't happen if guns weren't legal. If it's a hardened criminal who wants to commit a crime, then he'll buy an illegal gun somewhere. But that kind of criminal will not be put off by the fact you have a gun, because he knows how to prevent that.

So if guns werent legal, no one would commit violent crime? You simply cannot be that naieve.

If its a hardened criminal, guns are already prohibited to him (ie. illegal), so how exactly would making guns illegal change his situation? He STILL cannot get a firearm legally NOW.

My wife has access to my handgun, and knows how to use it responsibly to defend herself and our child, if someone breaks in to the house when Im not there, she will defend our child, it doesnt take much more than a punch to kill a 4 year old. As a woman, a firearm again levels the playing field against a male attacker, but you would prefer to see my child killed and my wife beaten/raped/killed because you seem to think all gun owners are criminals and there is no need to defend yourself anymore, just roll over and take it.

Other argument: the government will try to enslave you because you weren't able to defend yourself. Either the government actually does that, and then you die because a guy who sometimes goes to the shooting range will not survive for a minute against trained soldiers with much more effective weapons, or the government doesn't, and then that point is moot.

Not exactly, its to defend against tyrrany, a corrupt out of control government that represses its citizens with law after law, because "daddy knows best, and all you plebes are too stupid to rule yourselves"

Yes, all governments DO move in that direction, they use arguments like "Its for your safety", "Its for the children", "for your health" how about allowing your citizens to have some personal responsibility instead, what a foreign thought!

Regardless, soldiers arent supermen, I know several, Im related to one thats a former marine and a cop, I shoot better than all of them. Soldiers must follow rules of engagement, this puts them at a HUGE disadvantage over someone unconstrained.

There are about 1.5 million active military in the US armed forces, and another 1.5 million reserves, its estimated that over 1/3 of all Americans own firearms. thats about 110 million people, assuming EVERY armed forces member was a front line combatant, and not a cook, or mechanic, or plumber, and every single one of those 3 million servicemen obey an order to attack their parents, grandparents and children, they are STILL outnumbered at least 36 to 1, you dont NEED military training when you have that kind of numerical advantage, and dont need to adhere to rules of engagement.

Civillians violently overthrow governments all the time, most recently Libya.

Besides, we're talking about guns in public here. I can understand the need for a gun in a safe for people who live outside of a city or someplace where the police isn't effective just in case.

A Gun in a safe is useless when you are being attacked, this is why they must be ready to deploy.

Police are effective NOWHERE, they show up after the fact, to catalogue and clean up a mess, thats it.

But people who buy dozens of guns because they like that should be put in an asylum.

Ah, the argument of the elitist, the best of all "Im smarter than you because I dont believe in the right to defend myself, and you are a crazy person that needs to be locked up because Im so much smarter"

Who exactly are you to make these kinds of claims?

The whole "let's just enforce what exists" thing is not what's happening.

Correct, because the Leftist elite want to abolish firearms ownership for civillians, they dont WANT to enforce whats on the books, they want to use every tragedy to advance their agends, and create feel good laws that punish the law abiding while doing NOTHING to address the real problem, the human monster that comitted the crime.

The pro-gun movement in the U.S. does not want to preserve the statu quo, it wants to have as much guns as possible and carry them everywhere.

Also correct, because again, the leftist elite have created the perfect hunting grounds for criminals and mass murderers Gun free zones, pretty much every tragedy is committed in one of these zones, where law abiding citizens who have the means to stop madmen, are forced to conform to another insane law, and NOT carry the means

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What? Dumb and mentally challenged cling to guns anyway - as we have seen in these shootings everywhere.

US doesn't really help mentally ill much - most end up homeless bums.

US doesn't help the dumb either - 46% or something close of Americans are creationist.

Many drop out, education system is a failure and politics is just a system of who can tell and spin a bigger dumb lie and pretend to be more religious right.

Such people need not guns.

Police and other government organizations are specialized and trained and have way more merit holding a weapon of any kind that the average American.

Such strict regulations would stop people from acquiring guns and killing with them - after all majority were legally acquired in mass shootings.

Everyone else has Hollywood and Halo for their weapon fetishes.

I can kill you with a gun. Or I could kill you with the cord that connects my mouse to my computer. In both cases the end result is you dead. Why does it matter how that happened? Banning guns is not the solution.

Guns are just tools with no will or intent. It's the people that are the problem. Read my post just above yours and tell me what you think.

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willgill
Most massacre weaponry was bought legally. I mean, lets say some guy snaps from the pressures of life - buys a gun - shoots up the office. Nice. On the other hand, no gun sales, then what? Can you just magically find illegal weapons lying around?
In Texas you can't sell pot legally. Thank God we can rest assured we don't have doped-up hippies. psssst..... there's a black market.
  1. "Banning" guns never eliminates them.
  2. There are still background checks in place. These guys are all first-time snappers.
  3. Holmes weapons included homemade incenderies too. The unabomber used smokeless gunpowder and items you could get from Home Depot. The OKcity bomber used fertilizer. Now what do we ban?

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In Texas you can't sell pot legally. Thank God we can rest assured we don't have doped-up hippies. psssst..... there's a black market.

  1. "Banning" guns never eliminates them.
  2. There are still background checks in place. These guys are all first-time snappers.
  3. Holmes weapons included homemade incenderies too. The unabomber used smokeless gunpowder and items you could get from Home Depot. The OKcity bomber used fertilizer. Now what do we ban?

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willgill

Another case of properly trained individual perfectly sane individual almost killing someone,

http://www.nypost.co...iJlAp2G4LRuV21M

Nowhere in that article does it say that chicken lady is properly trained or had done any training. Also, she had an ILLEGAL firearm in New York where guns are all but banned. Thanks for the article.

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In Texas you can't sell pot legally. Thank God we can rest assured we don't have doped-up hippies.

Yeah, because hippies on drugs are obviously more of a concern than gun toting mass-murderers. :rolleyes:

Holmes weapons included homemade incenderies too. The unabomber used smokeless gunpowder and items you could get from Home Depot. The OKcity bomber used fertilizer. Now what do we ban?

Gunpowder should be restricted, obviously. And doesn't fertiliser contain anti-oxidising agents to prevent it being used in explosives? I'm pretty certain that's the case in the UK and if it isn't in the US it should be. So yes, there should be restrictions on things that can be used to make explosives. You'll never protect against everything but common sense restrictions improve the safety of society by making it more difficult for mass killings to take place.

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Yeah, because hippies on drugs are obviously more of a concern than gun toting mass-murderers. :rolleyes:

Gunpowder should be restricted, obviously. And doesn't fertiliser contain anti-oxidising agents to prevent it being used in explosives? I'm pretty certain that's the case in the UK and if it isn't in the US it should be. So yes, there should be restrictions on things that can be used to make explosives. You'll never protect against everything but common sense restrictions improve the safety of society by making it more difficult for mass killings to take place.

The thought police at work.. If I lived in a world that was controlled by you I would try to find something to kill myself but that would be hard because you would have pretty much everything banned.. I guess i'd drown myself. Trying to make people safer will never work, we live in a dangerous world, deal with it. Why don't you restrict cars to only being able to go the speed limit? Is there any reason to go 120 mph+? Why don't you get ban drug dealers, they kill millions more than guns. Oh that's right they are already banned from selling drugs.
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The thought police at work.. If I lived in a world that was controlled by you I would try to find something to kill myself but that would be hard because you would have pretty much everything banned.. I guess i'd drown myself. Trying to make people safer will never work, we live in a dangerous world, deal with it. Why don't you restrict cars to only being able to go the speed limit? Is there any reason to go 120 mph+?

You're on track KingCracker. Do we train our kids by taking all dangerous things away? No, we teach them what's right and wrong. We correct the behavior. Of course we don't go to the extreme of setting kids up to hurt themselves, but the focus has got to be on correcting behavior and on a larger scale, changing our culture. We need to quit glamorizing gangsta thuggery.

Here's an interesting experiment:

Drop a truckload of loaded assault rifles in the middle of a church on Sunday.

Do the same in south LA.

Any thoughts of what happens? What is the differing variable?

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Yeah, because hippies on drugs are obviously more of a concern than gun toting mass-murderers. :rolleyes:

Yup, I bet everyone that owns a firearm is a "gun toting mass-murderer" too in your world. :rolleyes:

Gunpowder should be restricted, obviously. And doesn't fertiliser contain anti-oxidising agents to prevent it being used in explosives? I'm pretty certain that's the case in the UK and if it isn't in the US it should be. So yes, there should be restrictions on things that can be used to make explosives. You'll never protect against everything but common sense restrictions improve the safety of society by making it more difficult for mass killings to take place.

LOL @ "common sense restrictions", these kinds of restrictions have done nothing but make it easier for the mass killings to happen, for example: disarming policies like gun free zones are simply a hunting ground where the next maniac can slaughter at will without fear of reprisal.

Oh, and the calcium carbonate sometimes added to AN isnt all that effective, and can be easily removed by someone that wants to make a bomb.

Another feel good restriction brought to you by politicians who have no idea what they are doing, but want you to feel "safe"

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You're on track KingCracker. Do we train our kids by taking all dangerous things away? No, we teach them what's right and wrong. We correct the behavior. Of course we don't go to the extreme of setting kids up to hurt themselves, but the focus has got to be on correcting behavior and on a larger scale, changing our culture. We need to quit glamorizing gangsta thuggery.

Here's an interesting experiment:

Drop a truckload of loaded assault rifles in the middle of a church on Sunday.

Do the same in south LA.

Any thoughts of what happens? What is the differing variable?

Yep we don't ban things and say those are bad! Don't touch! We teach them that they are dangerous and are meant to be used with respect and safety in mind. Taking dangerous things away from our society and parents teaching their kids that dangerous things shouldn't be touched would create a society of pansies. Seriously,think of a world where people keep their kids coddled and keep everything that could harm them away from them, now imagine someone tries to kill them with the dangerous thing their parents shielded them from. They would freeze up and crawl into a ball. This world lacks one thing, and that's personal responsibility, a parents job is to raise their kid and teach them right from wrong. If guns are in the house they should be tought that they aren't evil bad things but things that could be used to protect them one day and should be taught how to use them in a safe manor.
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, a parents job is to raise their kid and teach them right from wrong. If guns are in the house they should be tought that they aren't evil bad things but things that could be used to protect them one day and should be taught how to use them in a safe manor.

Very true. My oldest son is 6. Before we moved from Jackson (where our neighborhood had started being overrun by drug dealers and shootings were starting to be a common occurance), I bought a pistol for my wife and taught her how to use it. I was going to be moving nearly two months earlier than they were because my son had not finished kindergarten yet, and I had to start my new job before he finished. The very first thing I did when I brought the pistol home was to show it to him, let him hold it (unloaded of course) and tell him that it was for Momma to protect them in case some bad people tried to hurt them, and that he wasn't allowed to mess with it. Guess what? He listened and did what I told him. Now that they have moved, I've started teaching him gun safety and how to properly use one (aim, trigger discipline, etc.), using his Nerf guns. In a couple of years, I'll graduate him to a BB gun. Once he learns on that, he'll get to use my .22 rifle and 410 shotgun, just as I learned to do when I was young. My Dad taught me on these very same guns (the shotgun is close to 100 years old, the rifle is at least 41 years old, probably older).

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Once again, a thread about guns is just turning into a brawl of cheap shots. I don't know why people from other cultures want to stick their fingers in our business and tell us how we should live our lives then turn around and hate the US for being the world police. Furthermore, I don't understand why these same continue to spout off in every thread about guns with the same generalizing arguments that are clearly not true and thus throw the conversation back to the very beginning every. single. time. (ie. Christians are stupid, gun owners are mass murderers, guns aren't a valid defense) Why participate in this if you have nothing of substance to offer?

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First two posts. 16 to one on likes. /thread

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First two posts. 16 to one on likes. /thread

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Because the majority is always right...

1500 years ago, everybody "knew" that the earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago, everybody "knew" that the earth was flat.

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Because the majority is always right...

1500 years ago, everybody "knew" that the earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago, everybody "knew" that the earth was flat.

And even today, you believe both of those supposed "facts", that most people now know are actually incorrect. Just like you believe the "fact" that stricter gun laws in the US would somehow make things better.

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Yep we don't ban things and say those are bad! Don't touch! We teach them that they are dangerous and are meant to be used with respect and safety in mind. Taking dangerous things away from our society and parents teaching their kids that dangerous things shouldn't be touched would create a society of pansies. Seriously,think of a world where people keep their kids coddled and keep everything that could harm them away from them, now imagine someone tries to kill them with the dangerous thing their parents shielded them from. They would freeze up and crawl into a ball. This world lacks one thing, and that's personal responsibility, a parents job is to raise their kid and teach them right from wrong. If guns are in the house they should be tought that they aren't evil bad things but things that could be used to protect them one day and should be taught how to use them in a safe manor.

Seriously? In that case, why are certain kinds of drugs banned in America? Why do you even have speeding laws? Why are there a whole plethora of criminal liability laws?

You're absolutely full of it.

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    • By George P
      Now that we're getting Windows 11 and things are starting to change up more than the past few years with Windows 10, I un-pinned the old Windows 10 thread and started this one.
       
      With the leaked build and the event coming on the 24th things are getting interesting once more.  
    • By George P
      Xbox & Bethesda E3 2021 Games Showcase on June 13 at 10:00am PT , 6:00pm BST.
       
       
      Xbox Twitch Link.
      Xbox Youtube.
      Xbox.com link.
      Windows Central Gaming is going to have a co-stream going on here.
       
      With this quickly approaching I figured it was time to make an official thread for the show.  Feel free to post what you expect to see, hope to see, rumors, and thoughts on what they actually show come Sunday.
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    • By ShirtShanks
      Facebook to stop showing ads for gun accessories to minors
      by Sharath Ravishankar



      Gun violence is a real problem in the U.S., given the sharp uptick in school shootings across the country in the recent past, and Facebook, it seems, wants to take a step away from potentially contributing to this crisis.



      The social media giant, since 2016, already prohibits advertisements for guns and direct gun modifications such as silencers, and will soon go a step further and limit the soliciting of gun accessories such as holsters, slings, scopes, and cases. Rather than outright ban this activity, it will require sellers to "restrict their audiences to at least 18 years of age or over."

      While it's not clear how effective these measures may be in the immediate future, even the smallest possible difference made by lesser visibility of guns towards minors is, after all, a big deal to the ones who could be most affected by gun violence.

      The changes are set to be made to Facebook's policy on the 21st of June.

      Source: Facebook via The Verge