vcfan Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 With the sheer number of android devices out there, its pretty sad they are still so far behind in popular apps/games in the Apple appstore. Windows phone is gaining pretty good ground despite the number of devices and share it currently has. During the first 20 days of May 2013,Windows Phone Store offers 16 of the top 50 free App Store applications and 14 of the top 50 paid During the first 20 days in May 2013, only 32 of the top 50 free iOS applications were available in the Google Play store, and only 29 of the top 50 paid http://www.fiercemob...apps/2013-05-29 http://techcrunch.co...hich-are-games/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packet1009 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 i'll switch if i get to punch the author of the article in the face and crotch (hate such 'you should' articles - sanctimonious bunch) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKay Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 not true. maybe you are used to it that it feels normal to you. android IS laggy. show me how I can make an android phone look exactly like windows phone 8, from the home screen, to the app list, to the app controls, to the menus, to the fonts,to the transitions. im not just talking about some ****ty launcher. If im going to have to waste months doing that, then that isn't a valid answer.im talking about the stock interface and the oem variants. that's strange, I have no such malware on windows phone. show me all the malware on windows phone.bet you cant. that's horrible. you just reinforced my point. I've owned iPhones, Nokia Lumia 900 and now 2 Android Handsets. Android stock is simply not laggy anymore, the occasional stutter perhaps, but all my iPhones did it on occasion, so did my Lumia 900 returning to the Homescreen. So you're deliberately creating an unreasonable circumstance by excluding launchers? Nope. Launcher8 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lx.launcher8&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5seC5sYXVuY2hlcjgiXQ.. Windows Phone Notifications https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nlucas.wp7notificationslite&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5ubHVjYXMud3A3bm90aWZpY2F0aW9uc2xpdGUiXQ.. Boot Animation http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1481874&d=1352919624 Windows Phone Status Bar https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tombarrasso.android.wp7bar&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS50b21iYXJyYXNzby5hbmRyb2lkLndwN2JhciJd Contacts App https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=milkmidi.minicontact&feature=search_result SMS App https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.np.wp7msg&feature=search_result Music Player https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uberdroidstudio.ubermusic&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS51YmVyZHJvaWRzdHVkaW8udWJlcm11c2ljIl0. Calculator https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tombarrasso.android.wp7calculator&feature=search_result As for No exploits? No platform is safe, remember the SMS exploit that crashed the phone? http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/12/13/windows.phone.faces.sms.social.attack/ As for not liking my homescreens? They're personal to me, I made them that way because I like them, how does that reinforce your point? If we had identical tastes I'd have crafted homescreens that we liked. djdanster 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardmanflex Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 He's a Microsoft fanboy, they appear to be trolling a lot lately. Is that MIUI? i like the icons :) He's a Microsoft fanboy, they appear to be trolling a lot lately. Is that MIUI? i like the icons :) and your a google fanboy.. vcfan 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpGreen Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Laggier than iPhone Because iCrap never lags right? No centralized music service Google Play Music ftw!! Not as good of camera software Compared to....? No "quick shoot" camera button (volume up) like on iPhone Press the power button, swipe to the left. Updates are not centralized Central to the carrier. Fragmentation of hardware/software How's iOS 6.1 running on that iPhone 3G? Or what about Windows phone 8 on a Lumia 900. Oh wait, not possible. My bad. Gotta love trumped non-issues. Apps don't work cross android platforms A large majority of apps (probably 90% or more) work on Android from 2.3 on up. No hard mute button Point? djdanster 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomastmc Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I actually just got a Lumia 928 yesterday. Loving it. I am an MS "fanboy" I've decided. I love Google's web services and browser, but not their ventures off the web. I don't really have anything good to say about Apple. I very much like most of what MS does in hardware (mice, kb, etc), on the OS side, and integrated services. It's simply about preference, such as the differences in the kind of car you drive. Either you're into iOS or not, Android or not, WP or not. To say one is better than the other is kind of like saying blue is a better favorite color than green. It all comes down to the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 no way... Android has always (and still feels like) a Frankenstein system stitched together. Combine IOS and Windows phone and you have your self the perfect phone. Rubbish. My phone is rooted but it's still running on the stock ROM. No lag, and the battery will do 2 days even with use, 3 days on standby. Stereotype better please. For you perhaps, but your specific experience doesn't apply to everyone. I have tried Android twice now, 2 different models, both laggy and hesitant, (still have one) and batteries is horrible compared to the iPhone. What makes it even worse is I am even comparing them to the 4 year old 3gs! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Because iCrap never lags right? Google Play Music ftw!! Compared to....? Press the power button, swipe to the left. Central to the carrier. How's iOS 6.1 running on that iPhone 3G? the 3gs sometimes stutters when you have about 20 apps, you are right. never have any stuttering on the 4 or 4s, so do you REALLY want to compare lag to a 4 year old phone? You may want to hide that comparison. Itunes VS google I have no opinion on since i don't buy music Camera apps, from the ones I have tried, are much more very polished and finished on the iphone compared to the same app on Android Central to the carrier, exactly the point.... Android has to much fragmentation (although it seems to be lessening as time goes on) IOS 6.1 runs perfectly on all the 3gs's that I own (I own multiples for workers) As a side note: Workers always mess with the "customization" of Android and ALWAYS mess it up for the worse. The iPhone is perfect for most people since they CAN"T mess it up. Who cares if you "tweak" it and get a webpage to come up .1 of a second faster, or have moving backgrounds, etc.... As the 3gs's batteries finally give out, will be replacing them with Nokia 520's.... will NEVER go with Android (unless they are the first to come out with a Jarvis type voice interaction program) and everyone I talk to I always STRONGLY recommend against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted June 2, 2013 Member Share Posted June 2, 2013 I love Android but my wife has always hated it and switched to iPhone. I've tried to tell her that pre-4.1 Android was lacking but now it's much better, but the damage has been done and she won't hear of it. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.I would never use anything else. I recently rooted my device and tried out a couple of custom ROMs and when I got through I put the stock ROM back on it. Can't do that with anything else. djdanster 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Plonquer Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 What a load of utter tosh! Android's sales numbers are dwarfed by numbers from Microsoft and others over the years. 900 million in six years is OK but it's nowhere near world leading. Windows, Symbian and even MS-DOS have historically out-performed these numbers. Moreover, Android is doomed to failure. All the Android OEMs - with the exception of Motorola - are preparing to dump Android and adopt Tizen (formerly MeeGo), an operating system that can run Android apps FASTER than Android itself, is truly open source and releases the handset manufacturers from that vast amounts of money they have to pay Microsoft, Apple and Nokia for Google's blatantly ugly theft of IP. Google is NOT a software company. Their software is generally very poor, half-arsed, unimaginative, malware-prone and buggy. In two years there will be no more Android and we'll all be wondering what the fuss was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I've tried to tell her that pre-4.1 Android was lacking but now it's much better. android fans have said that very same statement with every single release of android. they will say it again when they hit 4.5 and will still be saying it at 5 and up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAZMINATOR Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 We talked about this topic all the time... who cares which OS is the best... (or which phone is the best on that matter)... It is about preferences.... and about your skill on customization or prefer using the basic things such as call, text, web, etc... some users are basic users which they can get either iPhone, Android, or whatever they choose.. some advanced users are able to customize their Android phones as their liking... but some jailbreakers can jailbreak their iPhone as long as they know what they are doing. (not talking about the advanced jailbreakers but I am talking about beginners on jailbreaking).. The high end android phones are best... and even they do have volume button as camera shutter... all you do is check the camera settings to enble it. If you don't see it, then you have the old OS/phone.. you need to upgrade a new phone or update OS. Lagging problem... you need to maintain your phone up to date... so you won't have lagging problem. I have high end phone that do not lag yet because I take care of it which I am an advanced user and used to be a programmer in the past... If it was me, I don't care what you have... since you like those stuff that works for you. That is good. I don't care if you hate my stuff.. if so.. fine with me. djdanster 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted June 2, 2013 Member Share Posted June 2, 2013 In two years there will be no more Android and we'll all be wondering what the fuss was. I wouldn't be willing to bet any money on that.I can see Android getting bigger and better. djdanster 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKay Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 no way... Android has always (and still feels like) a Frankenstein system stitched together. Combine IOS and Windows phone and you have your self the perfect phone. What do you mean by a Frankenstein Operating System? And I've had every iPhone except the 3GS. All of them have stuttered at certain points, all of them (including the 5) stutter loading the keyboard when swiping left to the spotlight page. Sometimes they'd stutter doing the app zoom in animation when you come back to the homescreen. (Happened less and less with each iPhone release, but the iPhone 5 I had still did it sometimes) A combination between iOS and Windows Phone? You're talking about the looks from Windows Phone? Because both of those platforms are equally locked down. What a load of utter tosh! Android's sales numbers are dwarfed by numbers from Microsoft and others over the years. 900 million in six years is OK but it's nowhere near world leading. Windows, Symbian and even MS-DOS have historically out-performed these numbers. Moreover, Android is doomed to failure. All the Android OEMs - with the exception of Motorola - are preparing to dump Android and adopt Tizen (formerly MeeGo), an operating system that can run Android apps FASTER than Android itself, is truly open source and releases the handset manufacturers from that vast amounts of money they have to pay Microsoft, Apple and Nokia for Google's blatantly ugly theft of IP. Google is NOT a software company. Their software is generally very poor, half-arsed, unimaginative, malware-prone and buggy. In two years there will be no more Android and we'll all be wondering what the fuss was. Ahahahaha really? What sources do you have which show all the OEM's are moving to Tizen? I can't find anything that suggests anything other than Samsung possibly putting Tizen onto an S4 in the future. Android gone within 2 years? Highly doubt it, even if it started dying today it'd take longer to disappear, look how long Blackberry is taking to die. Android is the most versatile, adaptable mobile OS there is out there. After becoming used to the freedom I experience with it I shudder to imagine going back to iOS or WP. Adrian0E 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpGreen Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 the 3gs sometimes stutters when you have about 20 apps, you are right. never have any stuttering on the 4 or 4s, so do you REALLY want to compare lag to a 4 year old phone? You may want to hide that comparison. Itunes VS google I have no opinion on since i don't buy music Camera apps, from the ones I have tried, are much more very polished and finished on the iphone compared to the same app on Android Central to the carrier, exactly the point.... Android has to much fragmentation (although it seems to be lessening as time goes on) IOS 6.1 runs perfectly on all the 3gs's that I own (I own multiples for workers) As a side note: Workers always mess with the "customization" of Android and ALWAYS mess it up for the worse. The iPhone is perfect for most people since they CAN"T mess it up. Who cares if you "tweak" it and get a webpage to come up .1 of a second faster, or have moving backgrounds, etc.... As the 3gs's batteries finally give out, will be replacing them with Nokia 520's.... will NEVER go with Android (unless they are the first to come out with a Jarvis type voice interaction program) and everyone I talk to I always STRONGLY recommend against it. Didn't say 3GS, I said 3G. The point there was not all iPhones are running the latest OS, same as with Android devices. Also in my "iCrap never lags right?" statement I didn't mention a particular device. So why should I hide it? Though really that sort of thing is subjective anyway. You can have two people with identical devices and one will say it doesn't lag and another will say it does. What a load of utter tosh! Android's sales numbers are dwarfed by numbers from Microsoft and others over the years. 900 million in six years is OK but it's nowhere near world leading. Windows, Symbian and even MS-DOS have historically out-performed these numbers. Moreover, Android is doomed to failure. All the Android OEMs - with the exception of Motorola - are preparing to dump Android and adopt Tizen (formerly MeeGo), an operating system that can run Android apps FASTER than Android itself, is truly open source and releases the handset manufacturers from that vast amounts of money they have to pay Microsoft, Apple and Nokia for Google's blatantly ugly theft of IP. Google is NOT a software company. Their software is generally very poor, half-arsed, unimaginative, malware-prone and buggy. In two years there will be no more Android and we'll all be wondering what the fuss was. So we went from discussion based on fact, to bashing, and now we're at the "making stuff up" phase Wow that didn't take long at all. Also, if Google isn't a software company, then why do 20k+ software engineers work there? A company that does nothing BUT produce software is not a software company? Really? Did you even read what you wrote before pressing the "Post" button? djdanster 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 What do you mean by a Frankenstein Operating System? And I've had every iPhone except the 3GS. All of them have stuttered at certain points, all of them (including the 5) stutter loading the keyboard when swiping left to the spotlight page. Sometimes they'd stutter doing the app zoom in animation when you come back to the home screen. (Happened less and less with each iPhone release, but the iPhone 5 I had still did it sometimes) A combination between iOS and Windows Phone? You're talking about the looks from Windows Phone? Because both of those platforms are equally locked down. Frankenstein :Different pieces from different collaborators and stitched together to make something. For me, driod has always felt very "unfinished" and rushed and parts thrown together to form the whole. I did get the effect of lag but only when freshly opening many apps then going to it. One small lag spot on a 4 year old single core low ram device and you think that's equal to droid lag? I don't agree. For me, the perfect phone would be the simplicity, reliability, and the app store of IOS with the Hardware of the Galaxy phones with the polish and look and function of windows phones. At no point would I want anything Android in the mix. I really dislike the logic of operational flow and the horrible "carrier" customization with each Android device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACTIONpack Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Not an Android fan but only use it when it was v2.3. I'm a Windows Phone fan. Got my first one by HTC hd7. I had 2 of them until I lost it. Then I got Nokia Lumia 710. I was not I big fan of that phone because of the size and the audio input issue I had with it. I now have HTC 8c. I really like it. Built well, works well and very little hick up. I do see Android 4.2 some a lot better but it really to simplify everything more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcfan Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I've owned iPhones, Nokia Lumia 900 and now 2 Android Handsets. Android stock is simply not laggy anymore, the occasional stutter perhaps, but all my iPhones did it on occasion, so did my Lumia 900 returning to the Homescreen. So you're deliberately creating an unreasonable circumstance by excluding launchers? Nope. Windows Phone Notifications As for No exploits? No platform is safe, remember the SMS exploit that crashed the phone? http://www.electroni....social.attack/ As for not liking my homescreens? They're personal to me, I made them that way because I like them, how does that reinforce your point? If we had identical tastes I'd have crafted homescreens that we liked. im not excluding launchers. i said NOT JUST launchers alone. and btw those are ugly and an insult to windows phone. even if you replace all those, its just putting lipstick on a pig. the android controls still show up and all the other things. this would actually make it an even worse experience. a small bug that merely freezes your phone from an old version of the OS does not compare one bit to rampart malware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneNutter MVC Posted June 2, 2013 MVC Share Posted June 2, 2013 and your a google fanboy.. Hardly, I prefer Android as my mobile os, there is a difference to linking something and been a fanboy. However someone who states... top 3 reasons not to switch to android 1.laggy 2.ugly 3.malware Is probably trolling, ignorant or has never actually used more than a cheap ?50 Android device. On Neowin that appears to be a pretty generic response to troll Android by certain members heavily invested in the Microsoft ecosystem... which the said person was. (Windows 8 Pro 64bit, Windows RT, Lumia 920 and Ativ S). djdanster 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakem1 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 ...has never actually used more than a cheap ?50 Android device. How is this an excuse for poor performance? All it highlights is the fact that the OS itself has fundamental performance problems that don't allow it to scale down and are responsible for lagginess even on high-end hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneNutter MVC Posted June 2, 2013 MVC Share Posted June 2, 2013 How is this an excuse for poor performance? All it highlights is the fact that the OS itself has fundamental performance problems that don't allow it to scale down and are responsible for lagginess even on high-end hardware. What should Android be expected to scale down to though? Manufacturers are free to put Android on some absolutely any horribly low spec device they please, then bloat it with loads of manufacturer additions. Where as Windows Phone has a minimum set of requirements and manufacturers are not allowed to mess with the actual OS. Windows Phone 8 minimum device requirements: Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 dual-core processor Minimum 512MB RAM for WVGA phones; minimum 1GB RAM for 720p / WXGA Android would run perfectly smooth on a device with those specs, like when buying a PC you get what you pay for at the end of the day. I totally agree Android is not perfect, just like any other mobile os out today, however if you compare like for like i certainly don't agree it has fundamental performance problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakem1 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 What should Android be expected to scale down to though? Manufacturers are free to put Android on some absolutely any horribly low spec device they please, then bloat it with loads of manufacturer additions. Where as Windows Phone has a minimum set of requirements and manufacturers are not allowed to mess with the actual OS. Android would run perfectly smooth on a device with those specs, like when buying a PC you get what you pay for at the end of the day. I totally agree Android is not perfect, just like any other mobile os out today, however if you compare like for like i certainly don't agree it has fundamental performance problems. Well we know that Android doesn't run perfectly smoothly on those specs at the lower end (a 1Ghz processor + 512MB of RAM) whereas WP does. For about ?150 you can buy a Lumia 520 that runs as smoothly or smoother than a Galaxy S4. If MS can hit the low end without sacrificing performance I don't see why Google can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick H. Supervisor Posted June 2, 2013 Supervisor Share Posted June 2, 2013 I'm on Android because it suits me better than iOS or WP8. Other people will use other systems. It's as simple as that. djdanster 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFH Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 If MS can hit the low end without sacrificing performance I don't see why Google can't. Maybe because Microsoft has actually developed all the stuff that is in WP (at least for the most part). Whereas Google has taken already existing code that no one in the company necessarily has to understand and stitched together an OS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapfacemcdougal Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Well we know that Android doesn't run perfectly smoothly on those specs at the lower end (a 1Ghz processor + 512MB of RAM) whereas WP does. For about ?150 you can buy a Lumia 520 that runs as smoothly or smoother than a Galaxy S4. If MS can hit the low end without sacrificing performance I don't see why Google can't. You've never used a Galaxy S4 have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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