OptiPlex Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Let's not forget that Dell may release a BIOS update to block the newer Prescott CPU's. Dell did it to the OptiPlex GX1 and OptiPlex GX240 systems... you never know ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericnkatz Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Way back when in 2k1 i bought the newest DELL creation DELL Dimension 8200 and it is still alive and kicking and a beaut, i've updated graphics card, memory and moniter and new 120 gig HD, since then and its a beast, I believe the price was worth it regardless it was near or around $2000, and when you need to update parts they have these cool green thingies i havent seen on other pcs that just click in to lock in your parts =) DELL is a nifty company and i think you made a good choice i get DELLs magazine thingy and the XPS looks like a fine machine. Anyways for those that said go buy alienware and saying the DELL overprices =\ think about what your saying? yes alienware is a tight gaming pc but what if you want to try and run basic operating programs in the future when your finished with your gaming lifestyle ;) Anyways :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User_Deleted Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 nice Pc dont worry about these lamers that Flame you for getting a Dell they have no life ! you got what you wanted ( with some nice deals to boot ) you happy thats all the matters ! with that system all i can say is GAME ON !! I have a dell myself Damn fine PC ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairon Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Way back when in 2k1 i bought the newest DELL creation DELL Dimension 8200 and it is still alive and kicking and a beaut, i've updated graphics card, memory and moniter and new 120 gig HD, since then and its a beast, I believe the price was worth it regardless it was near or around $2000, and when you need to update parts they have these cool green thingies i havent seen on other pcs that just click in to lock in your parts =)DELL is a nifty company and i think you made a good choice i get DELLs magazine thingy and the XPS looks like a fine machine. Anyways for those that said go buy alienware and saying the DELL overprices =\ think about what your saying? yes alienware is a tight gaming pc but what if you want to try and run basic operating programs in the future when your finished with your gaming lifestyle ;) Anyways :laugh: Yeah my dad has one of those things that he got Christmas 01, came with a 15" NEC Multisync LCD and what kind of graphics card?A geforce 2 mx 400. Cheap asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairon Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Let's not forget that Dell may release a BIOS update to block the newer Prescott CPU's.Dell did it to the OptiPlex GX1 and OptiPlex GX240 systems... you never know ;) No one is exactly forcing you to install those BIOS updates either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugg3t Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 HD ATA/100??? im surprised its not serial ata or atleast ata/133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELTA75329 Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 (edited) Due to the combined nature of most cheap 250s<snip> Check it: The AMD Athlon XP draws about 80-90 watts. nVidia GeForce FX is likely to draw about 70-80 watts. Add to that 4 hard drives, two CD drives, 5 case fans, a high end CPU cooler and loaded PCI slots. <snip> I've seen what happens when people insist they must cheap out on a crappy power supply. Speaking of cheap... Cheaper to buy? Yes. You get what you pay for. And no, that link you posted of someone?s opinion doesn?t do it for me. Arrogant? Perhaps, but again: I?ve seen what happens when people cheap out on a power supply. My own experience means more to me than some dude with a web site. 'nough? said. Cheaper to run? Depends on your perspective. The electric bill might be lower (even then, not much) but if components die prematurely due to constant spikes and drops, you tell me which is more expensive: A one-time investment of less than $80 for a reliable, reputable, and safe power supply, or the unpredictable costs of replacing components like hard drives? How about the hassle of software rebuilds? Especially considering that data loss is a very real possibility?? Quieter? Questionable. Take a look at Enermax, Antec, Zalman and other high-end power supplies. All put out noise less than 24 db. Less heat? On what? The power supply? Heat rises. Since it is above the CPU and everything else, I don't think what little heat a power supply puts out is of major concern here. Especially since worthwhile power supplies help with case cooling by drawing in heat from the system with an equipped bottom fan and expelling it outside the case with a rear exhaust fan. Sounds to me like such power supplies were designed to handle heat for this very reason. Go ahead and use a 250 if you want. Certainly I wouldn't attack you for that. I?m just trying to state a response to what I see as a conditionally and debatably true statement on your part. you basing all that rant on the fact that i suggesteCHEAPCHEAP noname psu of unknown quality. WHICH I DID NOT. <snip - DELTA75329> but config posted above is perfectly acceptable for 250watt psu. <snip - DELTA75QUALITYALITY 250watt PSU that can handle your hardware is cheaper to buy and cheaper to run than 450watt PSU. Dan's Data is a very reputable quality site. on par with anandtech, hardocp and tom's hardware. and i would trust his advice over what majority of ppl on neowin would say. Dude... chill out and get over yourself. I have my own experience and you have yours. As I said, use whatever the f*** you want. My "rant" as you put it, fully included that statement. It appears that you conveniently missed that part. You also missed the part about the voltage output design. All the same, it was nothing for you to take personally. You say 250w is enough for that XPS? OK man, whatever you say. Bitch to Dell about it and see if they care. Somehow, if you were anything close to correct, I think people who build PCs for a living would agree with you. But since the majority who do so are not likely to side with your case, you can complain all you want over it: 250w is not enough. Not if we are talking about the combined voltage output design common on cheap power supplies. This means virtually all 250w power supplies, since such a low output rating is essentially relegated to ?bargain hunters? and ?value shoppers?. In other words, cheap skates. The market for 250w power supplies exists primarily to serve such people. This has been the de facto standard for years now. Quality 250w power supplies with dedicated output, while certainly possible, are NOT COMMON, even IF they exist on the market for the consumption of the general public. Therefore, your argument, even if CONDITIONALLY correct, is not practical. This is what I took exception to, and this is why I responded in the first place. And no, dan's data is not on par with Anandtech, [H]ard|OCP and Tom's Hardware, not if that site insists that 250w is OK for the vast majority of configurations as suggested in the article you linked. They don?t bother to make the very important distinction in voltage output design. Sorry, but it seems to me the ?expert opinion? espoused on dan?s data should pay lip service to this point. Since the site doesn?t care enough to mention it, the advice sourced from dan? data on this topic isn?t worth the dirt on my shows. You?d take that site?s advice over that of Neowin? Well, good for you sweetie. I, on the other hand, prefer to rely on my own experience. Advice is all very well and good, but if it conflicts with my experience, then I will not accept it unless I can be proven wrong. Such an eventuality has not been the norm in my line of work. When it comes to power supplies, the question of voltage output design is a rather high priority to me, as employing one design over the other could mean the difference between whether hardware has to compete for power. It could mean the difference between data security or virtual dqualityis why I only select reputableower supplies from reputable manufactures such as Antec. Disagree? I don't care. Deal with it. That's my OPINION. And in my OPINION, you are full of crap. So there. If you prefer to believe that 250w is good enough, then FINE. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. That's just your opinion, and I'm not gonna freak out just because some dude on the internet doesn't agree with me. I'll say it for the last time: use whatever the hell you want. It's your PC. You're free to do whatever you want with it. Same goes for me, thank you very much. I think I've had just about enough on this thread. Lates. --------- And to kent:)logic - Nice machine man. Enjoy. :) --------- /EDIT: Typo correction. Edited November 17, 2003 by DELTA75329 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agent lead Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 wow u coulda built that system yourself for like 1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptiPlex Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 HD ATA/100??? im surprised its not serial ata or atleast ata/133 Umm... SATA is an option. He didn't pick it. DURRRR :rolleyes: :laugh: /SARCASM :woot: agent_lead, help me out! I want to make a kick ass computer that is similar to the specs of the XPS for $1000. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insurektion Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 get athlon 2500 asus a7n8x-x 512 ddr333 80gb hd and 9600pro for under 850 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcommander Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Good Choice! Hope you enjoy your new comp.... 4.5 years and still lovin mine! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 That's just your opinion, and I'm not gonna freak out just because some dude on the internet doesn't agree with me. oh the irony of this statement. if almost 2 pages worth of rants is not "freaking out" i don't know what is. but oh well. to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANova Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 get athlon 2500asus a7n8x-x 512 ddr333 80gb hd and 9600pro for under 850 The XPS is quite a bit faster then that system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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