Phouchg Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Nice to see so many different opinions.[..] I salute you who stick with yours and i hope you accept my decision. You intend us to respect and accept your decision, but then later transform from an opinion to baptism. [..] you have big hole in your head. We do. It's an emergency bullcrap venting port (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganX Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I just went to dual 27" Monitors and am about to put a GTX 670 in my Dinosaur. :/ Most people are more comfortable sitting at a computer when home or at a desk, but yeah, throughout the day, smartphones and tablets rule and with Cloud Syncing are a great compliment or standalone solution for those who actually don't need a computer. Small/Home Business', writers, movie editors, devs, all kinds of people need desktops. There are millions who don't. There are obviously solutions for them as well. When there's software to take advantage of it, Games or InDesign, Visio, Excel or whatever, I'll go 3 x 27". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneNutter MVC Posted August 7, 2013 MVC Share Posted August 7, 2013 I'm willing to bet a lot of people who use a tablet frequently also have a PC / Laptop for anything that requires more than browsing the internet or consuming media. What about cameras? people like to take photos, your going to have a hard time getting photos off a camera or video off a cam corder directly to a tablet. Printing stuff off? again yes you might manage this on a tablet but the experience is going to suck compared to using a PC. Writing a document, essay or updating your CV its going to be hard on a tablet to get any more than the most basic functionality. Making DVD's - something the average person might do for family members (Note im not including hybrid devices like the surface in what i'm saying above) I know a lot of people with tablets, however all of them have a PC / Laptop for anything more serious. Ive not even touched on real productivity here either. No you dont need a powerful PC to do that, a low powered nettop would easily manage. However if a tablet can totally replace your computer / laptop then i really don't think your doing much more then browsing the internet and consuming media. For me personally i would sooner sit at a PC with a nice large screen, even if all im doing is browsing the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganX Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Doesn't look like I'll be needing to upgrade Graphics again any time soon. Maybe, not during the remainder of the Windows Era ... lol, unless I go to 3 screens and become a driving simulator enthusiast. But that doesn't mean the Desktop PC is dead, it means I have already purchased all the power I need, in a Mini-ITX silent form factor at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted August 7, 2013 Member Share Posted August 7, 2013 These are still early days for mobile computing. Of course they can't do what a PC can do. PC's aren't going away anytime soon, but neither is their market going to continue growing like it one time did. One reason is there is little reason to upgrade nearly as often as we one time did. Another reason is as tablets and phones get more and more powerful, more and more people will be switching. But the PC will never go away completely, just like the old mainframes haven't. I work on a PC all day and when I'm seriously working I'd rather have one. My old desktop at home is there for that purpose. But for causal use, nothing beats mobile for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganX Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 These are still early days for mobile computing. Of course they can't do what a PC can do. PC's aren't going away anytime soon, but neither is their market going to continue growing like it one time did. One reason is there is little reason to upgrade nearly as often as we one time did. Another reason is as tablets and phones get more and more powerful, more and more people will be switching. But the PC will never go away completely, just like the old mainframes haven't. I work on a PC all day and when I'm seriously working I'd rather have one. My old desktop at home is there for that purpose. But for causal use, nothing beats mobile for me. We just got rid of our last mainframe. Auctioned it off for $40. Of course the mainframe was basically a PC. The cost was the IBM OS and Maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 What a load of rubbish. The PC isn't declining, it's just undergoing a change - like it has for the last umpteen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789A Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 My GTX Titan is a T-Rex MorganX 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagjohn Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 There are other options for people to choose, instead of getting a traditional desktop/laptop. As tablets get better, the traditional PC business will decrease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganX Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 My GTX Titan is a T-Rex Based on the 760 I just dropped in, I don't doubt it one bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganX Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 There are other options for people to choose, instead of getting a traditional desktop/laptop. As tablets get better, the traditional PC business will decrease. The problem is not enough razor blades. When everyone has a razor, you sell razor blades. They're doing that with mobile more. It's less complex, the apps are simpler. The PC base is huge, but apparently the only people that want to make meaningful new apps "for mainstream" users is Microsoft and to an extend Adobe. Of course, games are always there but then there's consoles. The Modern UI didn't encourage any significant Modern UI applications for the desktop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted August 7, 2013 MVC Share Posted August 7, 2013 Every time I try to use a tablet for anything productive I want to throw it against the wall. neo1911, Victor Rambo, Lord Method Man and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshie Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I work on a PC all day and when I'm seriously working I'd rather have one. My old desktop at home is there for that purpose. But for causal use, nothing beats mobile for me. I work on a PC all day, but it's a laptop with a dock and extra monitor. Really, it wouldn't be all that significant of a change for my laptop to become anything else, so long as it docks. If a tablet while docked can provide all the same functionality while also giving me an extra way to input/take notes and work with apps, I'd rather have the tablet and have a lighter load to carry when I bring my work home with me. I don't think work is the barrier to tablet adoption. It really may end up just being gaming. And once it all comes down to one particular market...it's hard to justify an entire form factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagjohn Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 The problem is not enough razor blades. When everyone has a razor, you sell razor blades. They're doing that with mobile more. It's less complex, the apps are simpler. The PC base is huge, but apparently the only people that want to make meaningful new apps "for mainstream" users is Microsoft and to an extend Adobe. Of course, games are always there but then there's consoles. The Modern UI didn't encourage any significant Modern UI applications for the desktop. As the tablet business matures, the investment in it will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre S. Veteran Posted August 8, 2013 Veteran Share Posted August 8, 2013 Yes. You have right in what you say m.v.c But you just talk for yourself. I don?t need my 46 inch for paying my bills or my facebook account. You're the one claiming "I don't need this, therefore the majority doesn't". You seem to be ignoring the vast number of people using computers for any kind of work or prolonged period of time, where it just doesn't make sense to use a device optimised for mobility and low price when you need a device optimised for productivity, versatility, power and comfort. The bottom line is that form factors have diversified to better fit diverse needs, and that doesn't mean any particular one is doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurtmaster Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 If you don't need to type or you don't need to really compute sure tablets are good to go. If all you do is read books and surf the net then sure. Content creation not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Party Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 PC is a dinosaur? :huh: Talk about overreaching Raa 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigby Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Certainly PCs will decline a bit as many people move to portable devices that better suit their needs. PCs really took off as the internet became popular and everyone needed them for things as simple as checking email, but that is no longer the case. The PC isn't going anywhere though, for many things they are far better than any portable device, and definitely more reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGHammer Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Doesn't look like I'll be needing to upgrade Graphics again any time soon. Maybe, not during the remainder of the Windows Era ... lol, unless I go to 3 screens and become a driving simulator enthusiast. But that doesn't mean the Desktop PC is dead, it means I have already purchased all the power I need, in a Mini-ITX silent form factor at that. That is because outside of niche games (and that includes the Battlefield/CoD series), even few games push midrange GPUs -- of a generation, if not two, ago. And that is exactly what users want. (Mainstream - not hardcore.) Yes - the crappy economy had something to do with it; however, that doesn't explain the snail's pace outside and smartphone graphics - even console gaming graphics isn't being pushed much (except for niche titles). Yuck and double yuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGHammer Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 The problem is not enough razor blades. When everyone has a razor, you sell razor blades. They're doing that with mobile more. It's less complex, the apps are simpler. The PC base is huge, but apparently the only people that want to make meaningful new apps "for mainstream" users is Microsoft and to an extend Adobe. Of course, games are always there but then there's consoles. The Modern UI didn't encourage any significant Modern UI applications for the desktop. MorganX, ModernUI is meant to largely complement desktop applications; where it can replace them is at the low (as in simpler) end. The dilemma of ModernUI is that it competes with Android and iOS - and even Windows Phone. iOS, let alone Android, has ModernUI desktops outnumbered, and multiplatform simple-application developers are simply unwilling to put in as good an effort into ModernUI (if they put in an effort at all). It's the flip-side of the criticism of Microsoft concerning Office for iOS and Android. Too many roosters - not enough hens. (While both contribute to breakfast, it's the hen that lays the egg.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cork1958 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I think the campaign started with Apple. Microsoft is still playing catch up. Anyway, the decline will continue with the home consumers leading the way and it will gradually spread to business use. These things take time. I sure enjoy leaving my desktop behind at the end of the day to play with my phone and tablet. Enjoy leaving your desktop behind to play with your phone and tablet? Why not just stay at the computer? Wasting just as much time there as you are with the other 2 devices, so you're not really doing anything different, not to mention the money you blew on that phone and tablet! Doesn't make sense to me? For me, the PC will ALWAYS be around. Have absolutely NO desire to play with my puny little phone or a tablet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koppit Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I now have my laptop hooked up to dual monitors instead of a desktop.... does everything I need it to and I can take it with me. If my tablet had dual outputs instead of one I could use that instead too. No point in owning a desktop at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted August 8, 2013 MVC Share Posted August 8, 2013 I now have my laptop hooked up to dual monitors instead of a desktop.... does everything I need it to and I can take it with me. If my tablet had dual outputs instead of one I could use that instead too. No point in owning a desktop at this point... What about the HP tablet that has the awesome docking station. That you plop it into and BAM! Monitors keyboard and mouse. When you are ready to leave just lift it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted August 8, 2013 MVC Share Posted August 8, 2013 I now have my laptop hooked up to dual monitors instead of a desktop.... does everything I need it to and I can take it with me. If my tablet had dual outputs instead of one I could use that instead too. No point in owning a desktop at this point... What about the HP tablet that has the awesome docking station. That you plop it into and BAM! Monitors keyboard and mouse. When you are ready to leave just lift it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganX Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 MorganX, ModernUI is meant to largely complement desktop applications; where it can replace them is at the low (as in simpler) end. The dilemma of ModernUI is that it competes with Android and iOS - and even Windows Phone. iOS, let alone Android, has ModernUI desktops outnumbered, and multiplatform simple-application developers are simply unwilling to put in as good an effort into ModernUI (if they put in an effort at all). It's the flip-side of the criticism of Microsoft concerning Office for iOS and Android. Too many roosters - not enough hens. (While both contribute to breakfast, it's the hen that lays the egg.) I understand that and agree wholeheartedly. Thankfully MS has shrugged off the notion many had that Modern UI would end the Desktop any time soon. But what the facts you stated also means, is that in and of itself, Windows 8 is not going to provide any incentive to purchase a new PC. At least not in the traditional form, except for enthusiasts, hobbyists, and the enterprise. PC Sales will probably never be what they once were, but the installed base will remain huge, and sales, while declining year over year, will still be huge. From a consumer standpoint, perhaps with XBox One and PS4 using a PC architecture there will be more AAA PC games which is always good for a few sales. Xbox running Modern UI apps may also produce some interesting titles. I still think Cloud Sync and creative applications that work across tablets, PC, & WP8 has a lot of potential as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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