gameboy1977 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Apple Inc. Would Be in Trouble With or Without Steve Jobs that is interesting news, everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Michael Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 It was a good read that this blog re-posted from many different sources over the last 24-48 hours. How is this any different then what I could have read anywhere else? Why should I read this blog over say the WSJ, Bloomberg, CNBC, CNN, MSNBC, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeTobacco Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 While I don't really disagree with the conclusion they came to, I question some of the logic. This line in particular doesn't really make sense in context. "Given its lineup of computers, media players, phones, and tablets, the company had most, if not all, of its customers' bases covered." While it is true they have their "customers' bases covered" which basically screws them right now, it ignores that Steve Jobs had the unique ability to create a new customer base. When the iPhone came out, critics and analysts said there was no customer base for it. Same thing with the iPad. gameboy1977 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 While it is true they have their "customers' bases covered" which basically screws them right now, it ignores that Steve Jobs had the unique ability to create a new customer base. When the iPhone came out, critics and analysts said there was no customer base for it. Same thing with the iPad. That's not true for either of those things. I think when the iPhone rumors were flying around, everyone thought it would be another Blackberry-esque device. No one expected a full OS on a phone that was controlled by Apple. People may have disagreed about how large the market was, but certainly not that it existed. I think the main point to refute is that Apple is in "trouble" right now. They're only in trouble because investors want their stock to just continue to go up and up forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeTobacco Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's not true for either of those things. I think when the iPhone rumors were flying around, everyone thought it would be another Blackberry-esque device. No one expected a full OS on a phone that was controlled by Apple. People may have disagreed about how large the market was, but certainly not that it existed. I think the main point to refute is that Apple is in "trouble" right now. They're only in trouble because investors want their stock to just continue to go up and up forever. I distinctly remember articles even on this site about how tablet devices failed in the past and that there was no market (not a small market, NO market) for a tablet device without a full OS. We all know how that turned out. Also, look at every release of the iPhone after the original and post Android release. Every time, everyone talks about how the market can't grow anymore and how Apple has already saturated its possible customer market. Yet, every release, it grows. The problem isn't really that the price is going down. The problem is the image that gives to investors who will no longer invest more funds into the company. That is where the issues start. No being able to raise quick capital is really bad for the company. Apple can't sell more shares at the moment because everyone sees the price going down which means nobody will want the shares at the current price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I distinctly remember articles even on this site about how tablet devices failed in the past and that there was no market (not a small market, NO market) for a tablet device without a full OS. We all know how that turned out. Also, look at every release of the iPhone after the original and post Android release. Every time, everyone talks about how the market can't grow anymore and how Apple has already saturated its possible customer market. Yet, every release, it grows. The problem isn't really that the price is going down. The problem is the image that gives to investors who will no longer invest more funds into the company. That is where the issues start. No being able to raise quick capital is really bad for the company. Apple can't sell more shares at the moment because everyone sees the price going down which means nobody will want the shares at the current price. There's no one in the world who won't give them a loan (they took one out to pay dividends on their stock), and they're sitting on a pile of cash. It's not a problem for Apple, it's a problem for investors who saw them as the golden child of the stock market for so long. Remember when people were predicting $1000 a share? As for the market, it's not like Apple released these products on a wing and a prayer. Obviously they did the research, and obviously a market existed. There were plenty of naysayers, sure, but there were always people interested as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted August 14, 2013 Member Share Posted August 14, 2013 "But even if Jobs were alive and well and still running Apple on a full-time basis, the company would be in the same position it is today. " I strongly disagree. Jobs was a very creative person and he would have never let Apple becoming the boring thing it is today. +Warwagon 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moloko Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 There's no one in the world who won't give them a loan (they took one out to pay dividends on their stock), and they're sitting on a pile of cash. It's not a problem for Apple, it's a problem for investors who saw them as the golden child of the stock market for so long. Remember when people were predicting $1000 a share? As for the market, it's not like Apple released these products on a wing and a prayer. Obviously they did the research, and obviously a market existed. There were plenty of naysayers, sure, but there were always people interested as well. This really doesn't matter. They know they cannot stay on top forever. But they do have huge cash reserves and plenty of R&D still going on. Things are slowing down for them in the products. They built on markets when so many people were telling them they would fail. Ipod, Iphone, Ipad, each of these things were considered niche or to expensive but look at it now. Samsung is even adopting some of the marketing savvy to move forward. Apple is fine for a long long time. Investors might not like it as the stock is not going up up up up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 "But even if Jobs were alive and well and still running Apple on a full-time basis, the company would be in the same position it is today. " I strongly disagree. Jobs was a very creative person and he would have never let Apple becoming the boring thing it is today. Apple is just continuing the process that Jobs started. Nothing would be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted August 14, 2013 Member Share Posted August 14, 2013 Apple is just continuing the process that Jobs started. Nothing would be different. I guess we'll never know for sure, will we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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