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DocM    12,621

Update from the 11:00 news.

He had been released, and his soon to be ex-wife has admitted she "embelished" things in the 911 call etc. AND never saw a gun.

Classify this one under deranged ex-spouse syndrome.

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hagjohn    2,136

Update from the 11:00 news.

He had been released, and his soon to be ex-wife has admitted she "embelished" things in the 911 call etc. AND never saw a gun.

Classify this one under deranged ex-spouse syndrome.

 

Or she was coerced to change her story.

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DocM    12,621

By who? The cops or prosecutors? They wouldn't do that unless there were problems in her story. Let's also not forget her recent perjury conviction.

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MorganX    1,046

If this wasn't the ZimZam no one would be hearing about it.

 

If he hadn't shot an unarmed teen we wouldn't be hearing about it. Regardless, routine speeding tickets are not equivalent to being detained in domestic violence disputes, especially when it's not your first.

 

The guy was screwed up before the Martin incident, and continues to be that way after. My question is, what exactly does he do in life? Career? Education? Since becoming an adult, he seems to just be into some ###### or another.

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rr_dRock    227
Ya, I'm sure Manitoba is a really hard province... You're really sensitive about this, are you in the Indian Posse? Can you not tell when someone is jerking you around with those street smarts you learned in the school of hard knocks that are the streets of Manitoba? (Nice line about Walter Cronkite, but you're also wrong to assume that the only city I have to reference any other city by is Kansas City. Again, what you think and all the possibilities of why you might be wrong allude you, and you're wrong). 

 

Yes actually Manitoba isn't a friendly place to live in some parts. Winnipeg was the murder capital for a looooong time.

if you're going to make assumptions about me I'll more than gladly make assumptions about you.

And just keep repeating that I'm wrong. Maybe somehow one day it might actually be true.

I think you've lost what your point is somewhere in the "relatability"...

 

"Whining like babies because you didn't get your way"... Nice.

 

No, Zimmerman wasn't beating his wife, he was just beating his father-in-law, destroying his wife's property, and intimidating her into thinking she was in danger...

 

Your argument is that what Zimmerman is going through is an excuse for his violent behavior towards his family, and I disagree. Maybe you should read your posts again.

 

I never said its an excuse. maybe you should reread. I said:

His life is stressful enough without people like you shoving ###### down everyone's throats and trying to incite hatred against him. if he beat his father in law, let the ######er rot. but he didn't as proven by the fact that no charges were laid.... ah duuuurrrr.

 

You said that my opinion wasn't my own.

 

no. I said that your opinion was fed to you by the media, it's still your opinion. That would be understandable if not accepted. if you came to that conclusion on your own then you must not have actually watched the trial.

 

Anyways... You've made it clear how you see this, as taking sides and winning and losing, like it's a game. I don't see it that way, and I don't think you can have a constructive conversation about any topic if that's the paradigm you come to a conversation with.

not everything you win or lose is game. like war for instance. but you keep believing that no one is right unless they share your exact viewpoint.

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MorganX    1,046

Or she was coerced to change her story.

 embellished means exactly that. He probably did not pull a gun, but everyone knows when you want the police to hurry up and come, mention a gun. She knows he has one, and clearly isn't afraid to use it, lol. Embellishing doesn't make her deranged, most people embellish when they want help to come in a hurry, she could be charged though.

 

She probably didn't change her story, just removed the embellishment.

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Growled    3,880

Poor George. He can't seem to stay out of trouble. 

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Sandor    436

If he hadn't shot an unarmed teen we wouldn't be hearing about it. Regardless, routine speeding tickets are not equivalent to being detained in domestic violence disputes, especially when it's not your first.

 

The guy was screwed up before the Martin incident, and continues to be that way after. My question is, what exactly does he do in life? Career? Education? Since becoming an adult, he seems to just be into some **** or another.

Or, alternatively, if he hadn't been assaulted by a guy he wouldn't have had to shoot him.

 

Now the side I just presented to you is the one that was shown to be accurate in court. It's why Trayvon Martin was convicted of a crime and Zimmerman wasn't.

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ILikeTobacco    839

By who? The cops or prosecutors? They wouldn't do that unless there were problems in her story. Let's also not forget her recent perjury conviction.

Definitely not the cops. The police department there is known for harassing him for many other things like protesting their actions. If anything, they would have encouraged her to keep the story.

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DocM    12,621

And for the record - in this mornings news report cops said he did not have his gun, so her misinformation level goes up several notches.

Now we know the cop-prosecutors were faced with a complaining witness who had been caught in a bald faced lie, and who had a recent perjury conviction. No way they'd pursue it.

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MorganX    1,046

Or, alternatively, if he hadn't been assaulted by a guy he wouldn't have had to shoot him.

 

Now the side I just presented to you is the one that was shown to be accurate in court. It's why Trayvon Martin was convicted of a crime and Zimmerman wasn't.

 I must have missed that trial, the one where Martin was convicted of assaulting Zimmerman.

 

It will be senseless to retry it here, he got off because of the law, several jurors believed he was guilty of murder but based on the law, they could not say in his mind he was not in fear of his life. That is the only thing that was shown in court.

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ILikeTobacco    839

 I must have missed that trial, the one where Martin was convicted of assaulting Zimmerman.

 

It will be senseless to retry it here, he got off because of the law, several jurors believed he was guilty of murder but based on the law, they could not say in his mind he was not in fear of his life. That is the only thing that was shown in court.

He didn't "get off" because he wasn't guilty of anything to "get off" of. When you are choking on your own blood, you tell us what you are thinking and if defending yourself at that point is murder. There are several witnesses that even said he was choking on his own blood while his head was being bashed into the ground. If you are going to ignore the facts that all the evidence prove, don't bother replying.

 

FYI the interviews of the jurors show they thought he was guilty of manslaughter, but not of murder. Manslaughter is legal under self defense and no longer classified as manslaughter, which is why he isn't guilty of anything but defending himself. The one juror that was trying to have him executed had an extreme bias and she even admitted it because of her 8 kids. She viewed Trayvon as her own child the entire time and didn't keep her bias out of her thoughts, all things she admitted to.

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Nefarious Trigger    6,779
Trayvon Martin was convicted of a crime and Zimmerman wasn't

 

End of conversation.  Anything else is 100% moot.  The courts decided.

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Sandor    436

 I must have missed that trial, the one where Martin was convicted of assaulting Zimmerman.

 

It will be senseless to retry it here, he got off because of the law, several jurors believed he was guilty of murder but based on the law, they could not say in his mind he was not in fear of his life. That is the only thing that was shown in court.

You obviously did miss it...it's what actually happened.

 

Convictions:

Trayvon Martin: aggravated assault & battery, intent to kill or maim

 

It's a never ending source of "WTF" moments when people like you come into threads like this and you don't even bother to have a cursory knowledge of the most basic facts. You watch a few minute recap on CNN every night and read the messages of semi-literate fools on Twitter and think you have a clue. You then think you're equipped to make comments.

 

Seriously...actually know what you're talking about before you engage your keyboard.

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chrisj1968    1,415

ok she claims all this after LYING about the families finances.. oh yeah.. she's really believable... lovely family

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BlueScreenOfDeath    416

ok she claims all this after LYING about the families finances.. oh yeah.. she's really believable... lovely family

I was about to make that point - i mean her credibility is shot - she could easily have something against him and what better than to add insult to the divorce than to have him tossed in jail for supposedly hitting her father and pulling a gun on her.

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MorganX    1,046

You obviously did miss it...it's what actually happened.

 

Convictions:

Trayvon Martin: aggravated assault & battery, intent to kill or maim

 

It's a never ending source of "WTF" moments when people like you come into threads like this and you don't even bother to have a cursory knowledge of the most basic facts. You watch a few minute recap on CNN every night and read the messages of semi-literate fools on Twitter and think you have a clue. You then think you're equipped to make comments.

 

Seriously...actually know what you're talking about before you engage your keyboard.

Actually, I don't watch CNN, and this wasn't about Martin, you brought up his conviction to support what you obviously believe in your mind which is apparently easieer than the reality that a great deal of the population believe Zimmerman got away with murder and do not excuse his past or present behavior nor believe he is a hero.

 

What I do know, is exactly what I said which doesn't change with the fact that I missed Martin being convicted, it's not like he would have been able to defend himself. It doesn't change the fact that several jurors believe him guilty of murder but based on the law, had to acquit, something I agree with.

 

Nor is it relevant to this thread or Zimmerman's behavior prior and afterwards.

 

Even now, it is only in a "CNN" discussion that I find that Trayvon Martin was found "Guilty" which is implicitly implied based on Zimmerman's "Not Guilty."

 

I have yet to find that Trayvon Martin was tried and convicted of anything, but I am quite interested if you can provide a link?

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Sandor    436

Actually, I don't watch CNN, and this wasn't about Martin, you brought up his conviction to support what you obviously believe in your mind which is apparently easieer than the reality that a great deal of the population believe Zimmerman got away with murder and do not excuse his past or present behavior nor believe he is a hero.

 

What I do know, is exactly what I said which doesn't change with the fact that I missed Martin being convicted, it's not like he would have been able to defend himself. It doesn't change the fact that several jurors believe him guilty of murder but based on the law, had to acquit, something I agree with.

 

Nor is it relevant to this thread or Zimmerman's behavior prior and afterwards.

 

Even now, it is only in a "CNN" discussion that I find that Trayvon Martin was found "Guilty" which is implicitly implied based on Zimmerman's "Not Guilty."

 

I have yet to find that Trayvon Martin was tried and convicted of anything, but I am quite interested if you can provide a link?

Astounding ignorance. It doesn't matter a jot what the jurors or anyone else "thinks". They're there to apply the law as it stands in the jurisdiction. Trials are interested in the proven facts. Not conjecture, hearsay or opinion.

 

The point of enlightening you as to Martin's conviction (which you seemingly still have a problem accepting is true) is to help you understand why Zimmerman could never be convicted of "murder". Actually read again what Martin was convicted of and then think through the implications of trying to convict the other guy of a murder.

 

Please, just go.

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MorganX    1,046

Astounding ignorance. It doesn't matter a jot what the jurors or anyone else "thinks". They're there to apply the law as it stands in the jurisdiction.

 

The point of enlightening you as to Martin's conviction is to help you understand why Zimmerman could never be convicted of "murder". Actually read again what Martin was convicted of and then think through the implications of trying to convict the other guy of a murder.

 

Please, just go.

Please provide a link to the conviction if you have it. I said I would be interested in the details of it, but can't find any. Of course it matters what the juror's "think" if you're discussing what people "think" about Zimmerman now.

 

Kind of like many don't accept OJs not guilty ..

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Sandor    436

Please provide a link to the conviction if you have it. I said I would be interested in the details of it, but can't find any. Of course it matters what the juror's "think" if you're discussing what people "think" about Zimmerman now.

 

Kind of like many don't accept OJs not guilty ..

 

http://bit.ly/1eA9ARz (if any of the links have comments sections, they're likely to be hilarious reads)

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+LogicalApex    1,745

Yes actually Manitoba isn't a friendly place to live in some parts. Winnipeg was the murder capital for a looooong time.

I'm sorry. I also have to laugh at your assertions on regarding the deadly "Indian Posse" in Winnepeg roaming around causing terror and mayhem across the province. Compared to American cities you northerners have no idea what "bad" areas are like or murders for that matter...

 

I mean Winnepeg, the "murder capital", had a murder rate of 4.2 per 100,000 persons at its peak or 54 for the year in 2011.

 

Philadelphia had a murder rate of 20 per 100,000 persons in 2010 or 306 for 2010... It was up to 324 in 2012. We tend to cross the annual rate for Winnepeg before we get out of January...

 

To me, there is no "dangerous" part of Canada. I mean the whole country has a murder rate only slightly higher than the one American city I live in...

 

But I can see how it is scary if that's the scariest thing you've ever seen. When I was living in the worst areas of the city you actively heard gun fights every night of the year... 365 days a year. Your risk of getting shot was very real and very well understood.

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rr_dRock    227

I'm sorry. I also have to laugh at your assertions on regarding the deadly "Indian Posse" in Winnepeg roaming around causing terror and mayhem across the province. Compared to American cities you northerners have no idea what "bad" areas are like or murders for that matter...

 

I mean Winnepeg, the "murder capital", had a murder rate of 4.2 per 100,000 persons at its peak or 54 for the year in 2011.

 

Philadelphia had a murder rate of 20 per 100,000 persons in 2010 or 306 for 2010... It was up to 324 in 2012. We tend to cross the annual rate for Winnepeg before we get out of January...

 

To me, there is no "dangerous" part of Canada. I mean the whole country has a murder rate only slightly higher than the one American city I live in...

 

But I can see how it is scary if that's the scariest thing you've ever seen. When I was living in the worst areas of the city you actively heard gun fights every night of the year... 365 days a year. Your risk of getting shot was very real and very well understood.

 

 

Okay. You can't compare the States murder rates to Canadas' because

1) Lower poverty rates in Canada (huuuuge contribution to crime of any sort)

2) Ability to procure weapons (guns, etc). - a LOT easier in the States than in Canada

3) lower population density in the poverty stricken areas,

4) Less gangs, less drugs and less money involved, so obviously they wouldn't be killing at the same rate.

5) Attitudes of the population. We don't have the "I'm tougher than you so I'm going to kill you and peel your skin off" attitude up here, even with gangs.

Also, the murder rate isn't quite indicitive of the violent crime rates or how dangerous a city really is. There's stabbings and violent assaults every day. most for no reason.

One guy in a wheelchair got stabbed and beat up because he wouldn't give someone a toonie.... I'd say that's rather dangerous, when the savages don't have enough respect for themselves or other to not bother a guy who can't fight back, especially in Canada.

 

Just because the people in your city act like savages, doesn't make my city any less dangerous. There is still a very real possibility of being killed in every, single city on the planet. Whether or not you think about it when you're walking out your door doesn't matter.

 

Oh, and just as a point, you can hear gunshots/horrific screams when someone gets stabbed nearly every night in the worse parts of Winnipeg. It's a well known fact that if you walk around at night in the North End, you're probably going to be accosted.

 

 

But as a second side note, I don't fear walking around in my city past dark, as I wouldn't fear walking around Philly after dark. Why should I? If you live in fear, they win.

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MorganX    1,046

http://bit.ly/1eA9ARz (if any of the links have comments sections, they're likely to be hilarious reads)

 

As I said, all notions of Trayvon being convicted that I can find, point back to a, your favorite channel, CNN discussion of an "implied conviction" based on Zimmerman being found not guilty based on self-defense. It is a legal theoretical notion at best, and not really worth discussion as if Trayvon had lived, Zimmerman would probably be in jail. It is his death that drew the media pundits including Sharpton and Rivera that racially polarized the case. Without that, Zimmerman is probably easily guilty of something.

 

Other than that, which I mentioned several posts ago, I still cannot find a trial and conviction of Martin for anything and would be quite interested if anyone has any real information on such. Anyone who has something, since Jimmy cannot, and I can't find the info on my own. I'm quite interested in it actually.

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Sandor    436

Man, this is hilarious.

 

Truly no depths to the denial in some people.

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gameboy1977    886

His wife is very greedy..... she wants more money, because her husband is selfish with money, but she lied to the court.

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