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The Quebec college of physicians has issued a clear warning to doctors to stop performing virginity tests, a practice linked to bridal purity and family honour.

Chastity is not a medical or health condition, Charles Bernard, president of the Coll?ge des m?decins, told The Gazette. Gynecological exams for virginity certificates contravene the profession?s code of ethics on several grounds, including breaching patient confidentiality, Bernard said

The practise is outrageous, repugnant, irrelevant and unacceptable, he said.

?Imagine a doctor who does a gynecological examination with the sole purpose of ... it goes beyond the imagination. And it?s degrading to women,? Bernard said.

The College was responding to a study by two ethics specialists from the Universit? de Montr?al who were called upon by a school nurse and other health professionals after five incidents of families seeking virginity checks in the last 18 months in Quebec.

The practice is restricted in some European countries and many medical associations ? in France, Belgium, Spain and Denmark ? have urged members not to carry out virginity exams.

However, some doctors have admitted to providing fake proof of virginity, without having performed a chastity test, ?in the interest of harm reduction to save a girl?s honour,? said ethicist and UdM researcher Marie-?ve Bouthillier.

There are no statistics on the frequency or scale, Bouthillier said, ?because it?s a taboo practice and it?s hidden.?

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..... Didn't read the ethical objections, or just didn't understand them?

I see this as a service, not some sort of monstrous primitive mutilation or humiliation.

 

People have the choice of using this service or not using this service. If one think it degrades women then they should stop using this service and tell all other people not to use this service. Banning is not the solution.

 

Before you subconsciously stereotype me: I don't give a da** to virginity. Never did and never will.

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A woman doesn't need a test to know if she's a virgin, she already knows. The tests were purely for other peoples benefit.

Right. Education is the best way to stop these silly tests. Banning doctors to do it? Now those people will turn to underground non-certified "doctors".

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Richteralan, on 17 Oct 2013 - 00:13, said:

I see this as a service, not some sort of monstrous primitive mutilation or humiliation.

 

People have the choice of using this service or not using this service. If one think it degrades women then they should stop using this service and tell all other people not to use this service. Banning is not the solution.

 

Not sure if serious?

 

In this scenario, doctors perform an unnecessary exam strictly for the purpose of divulging the results to someone else. Let alone the fact that depending on them, it could cause harm to the person examined.

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Not sure if serious?

 

In this scenario, doctors perform an unnecessary exam strictly for the purpose of divulging the results to someone else. Let alone the fact that depending on them, it could cause harm to the person examined.

Didn't read past the first line?

 

This exam is purely provided upon request, yes? So the problem is not the supply, it's the demand. Banning the supply will not curb the demand, as the very same people will turn to underground non-certified "doctors". Plus, as you said, those "doctors" may pose a bigger danger to women.

 

The best way? Curb the demand by education.

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i dont think you properly understand the situation...people aren't going to them by their own free will... they are being forced to provide proof because of backwards beliefs and customs that certain cultures harbour towards woman and marriage. this is a situation where a woman is traded as property from one family to the husband. if she isn't a virgin the "sale" is deemed fraudulent as the womans only real value is her chastity 

 

this is a religious issue. the tests are at the request of the family members or the husband involved. its needed as 3rd party proof before the "transaction"

 

virginity tests are deplorable 

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I see this as a service, not some sort of monstrous primitive mutilation or humiliation.

 

People have the choice of using this service or not using this service. If one think it degrades women then they should stop using this service and tell all other people not to use this service. Banning is not the solution.

 

Before you subconsciously stereotype me: I don't give a da** to virginity. Never did and never will.

 

I guess you haven't heard of honor killings. Even worse is that a virginity test could show a virgin isn't. since there are many ways the hymen can break. 

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Didn't read past the first line?

 

This exam is purely provided upon request, yes? So the problem is not the supply, it's the demand. Banning the supply will not curb the demand, as the very same people will turn to underground non-certified "doctors". Plus, as you said, those "doctors" may pose a bigger danger to women.

 

The best way? Curb the demand by education.

 

So because people can go to illegal doctors that do illegal checks, the procedure that has only bad reasons for existing and can result in killings should be allowed, instead of rooting out the illegal underground "clinics". well that's some sound logic there...

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So because people can go to illegal doctors that do illegal checks, the procedure that has only bad reasons for existing and can result in killings should be allowed, instead of rooting out the illegal underground "clinics". well that's some sound logic there...

Right. Because when you ban certified doctors doing it, those backward belief and superstition will go away.

 

Logic.

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i dont think you properly understand the situation...people aren't going to them by their own free will... they are being forced to provide proof because of backwards beliefs and customs that certain cultures harbour towards woman and marriage. this is a situation where a woman is traded as property from one family to the husband. if she isn't a virgin the "sale" is deemed fraudulent as the womans only real value is her chastity 

 

this is a religious issue. the tests are at the request of the family members or the husband involved. its needed as 3rd party proof before the "transaction"

 

virginity tests are deplorable 

What you said just proved my point. Curbing supply won't solve the issue because the backward beliefs and customs still exists.

 

Virginity tests are deplorable because of the supporting backward belieffs and customs, not because of service providers.

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I guess you haven't heard of honor killings. Even worse is that a virginity test could show a virgin isn't. since there are many ways the hymen can break. 

Again, this is all because of some backward beliefs and customs.

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Again, this is all because of some backward beliefs and customs.

 

So are we just supposed to pave the way for those bacwards beliefs then ?

 

Hey here's a puiblic hospital you can go to check if your daughter is a virgin, straps included in case she's a fighter.

outside the hospital we have a wood block and an axe ready in case she tests non virgin, go ahead kill here right there and drop the body in the black bag marked "honor killings".

Maybe you want some circumcision done while your at it, doctors are standing by. 

 

You don't fix it by making it easy.  and you can't change the old people anyway, you need to educate and change the young people, and while your doing that, you need to protect them and make sure they are safe. 

 

 

 

As for their backwards beliefs, like a lot of religious "laws" they come from a time when leaders noticed certain things had certain results, and this religions imposed rules on them. people who slept around, spread disease, so monogamy and marriage, undercooked pig meat caused disease so pig meat was declared unclean. of course, today we know what a bacteria is, we know to cook food properly, we have condoms and can cure most diseases. But as little as a couple of hundred years ago, many of these "laws" had good reason to exist. 

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So are we just supposed to pave the way for those bacwards beliefs then ?

 

Hey here's a puiblic hospital you can go to check if your daughter is a virgin, straps included in case she's a fighter.

outside the hospital we have a wood block and an axe ready in case she tests non virgin, go ahead kill here right there and drop the body in the black bag marked "honor killings".

Maybe you want some circumcision done while your at it, doctors are standing by. 

 

You don't fix it by making it easy.  and you can't change the old people anyway, you need to educate and change the young people, and while your doing that, you need to protect them and make sure they are safe. 

 

 

 

As for their backwards beliefs, like a lot of religious "laws" they come from a time when leaders noticed certain things had certain results, and this religions imposed rules on them. people who slept around, spread disease, so monogamy and marriage, undercooked pig meat caused disease so pig meat was declared unclean. of course, today we know what a bacteria is, we know to cook food properly, we have condoms and can cure most diseases. But as little as a couple of hundred years ago, many of these "laws" had good reason to exist. 

Just curious, have you really read my replies?

 

I said education is the best way to deal with this. Can you enlighten me if I said "pave the way for the backward beliefs?"

 

And wonderfully you agreed with me that "you need to educate and change the young people"

 

Thank you!

 

Stop kneejerking. Your gf and/or wife aren't reading this.

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But your argument was that we should just let them continue doing this while we educate them. which just doesn't work. 

So you have just contradicted yourself.

 

Apparently logic isn't your forte but let me explain one more time here:

 

Yes let them continue with certified doctors. If we ban certified doctors doing this, they WILL DEFINITELY turn to underground non-certified "doctors" because of their backward beliefs. Anything worse than that? Those "doctors" may not be an independent 3rd party. I think you should know what will happen from there.

 

Exam administered by certified doctors obviously poses less harm than non-cerfitied "doctors." In other words, we are forcing these practice go underground, i.e. they won't even go to clinics, which is even harder to monitor and to educate.

 

Logic is hard.

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Who would even want a virginity test? I know Muslims and Indians do them, even surgeries for recovering the hymen, but hey I thought Canadians are more open minded and youngsters nowadays don't really care if she has slept with a few other guys.

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Who would even want a virginity test? I know Muslims and Indians do them, even surgeries for recovering the hymen, but hey I thought Canadians are more open minded and youngsters nowadays don't really care if she has slept with a few other guys.

 

You answered your own question...

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So you have just contradicted yourself.

 

Apparently logic isn't your forte but let me explain one more time here:

 

Yes let them continue with certified doctors. If we ban certified doctors doing this, they WILL DEFINITELY turn to underground non-certified "doctors" because of their backward beliefs. Anything worse than that? Those "doctors" may not be an independent 3rd party. I think you should know what will happen from there.

 

Exam administered by certified doctors obviously poses less harm than non-cerfitied "doctors." In other words, we are forcing these practice go underground, i.e. they won't even go to clinics, which is even harder to monitor and to educate.

 

Logic is hard.

 

How did I contradict myself? are you even part of the same conversation.

 

We need a ban on precedures that allows the hurt and such of the young, to protect them, and we need to educate them.

 

Just because they may or may not use underground doctors isn't an excuse to let real doctors perform the procedures. it's a logical fallacy. we need to get to the underground "clinics" as well, with the law. besides that, few underground doctors will be qualified for this anyway. 

 

and no this exam doesn't cause harm whoever does it, not in itself. the result of the exam may result in a honor killing though. 

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