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How do you "educate" someone out of a cultural practice while still allowing them to perform it? That's is sending a mixed message if there ever was one.

 

"This behaviour is so deplorable,,, Just not deplorable enough for us to outlaw it..."?

 

 

 

Yes let them continue with certified doctors.

 

Whether someone is a virgin or not isn't a medical issue. It has no medical basis. Essentially, it is wasting medical resources on enforcing backward cultural practices.

 

 

Tolerating this sick fixation with virginity is unacceptable. 

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and no this exam doesn't cause harm whoever does it, not in itself. the result of the exam may result in a honor killing though. 

 

Disagree. It could certainly cause emotional or mental trauma. Having someone poke around your genitals/insides to determine virginity would be a traumatic and degrading experience. Even the most brainwashed young girl would find it an uncomfortable experience.

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..... Didn't read the ethical objections, or just didn't understand them?

well...

its more that I dont care then anything else, I understand them perfectly...though at the same time the science is a bit loose ... if they are simply checking for a hymen then thats silly because women can pop that riding a bicycle over a bumpy road...  

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Few things to clear up here..

 

One, It's Quebec, Not "Canadian docs" .. This is an issue limited to there for the most part.

Second, the tests were done to get a paper that said Virgin or not to show family/soon to be family.. Not limited to just Muslims and Indians, but also some of the fossel Catholics that used to rule Quebec with an iron fist.

Third, this should be banned. For one we have public health care, which means I pay for those test two. Second, it is not a medical issue, it has no place being performed and certified by a Doctor. They get it done illegally that is there problem, it is not part of public health. 

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Few things to clear up here..

 

One, It's Quebec, Not "Canadian docs" .. This is an issue limited to there for the most part.

Second, the tests were done to get a paper that said Virgin or not to show family/soon to be family.. Not limited to just Muslims and Indians, but also some of the fossel Catholics that used to rule Quebec with an iron fist.

Third, this should be banned. For one we have public health care, which means I pay for those test two. Second, it is not a medical issue, it has no place being performed and certified by a Doctor. They get it done illegally that is there problem, it is not part of public health. 

Didn't know that's paid by public health care. They should charge this service.

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How did I contradict myself? are you even part of the same conversation.

 

We need a ban on precedures that allows the hurt and such of the young, to protect them, and we need to educate them.

 

Just because they may or may not use underground doctors isn't an excuse to let real doctors perform the procedures. it's a logical fallacy. we need to get to the underground "clinics" as well, with the law. besides that, few underground doctors will be qualified for this anyway. 

 

and no this exam doesn't cause harm whoever does it, not in itself. the result of the exam may result in a honor killing though. 

No it's not a logical fallacy. Banning this exam because this exam degrades women is logical fallacy. It's the backward beliefs degrade women, thus only education can change that.

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How do you "educate" someone out of a cultural practice while still allowing them to perform it? That's is sending a mixed message if there ever was one.

 

"This behaviour is so deplorable,,, Just not deplorable enough for us to outlaw it..."?

 

 

 

Whether someone is a virgin or not isn't a medical issue. It has no medical basis. Essentially, it is wasting medical resources on enforcing backward cultural practices.

 

 

Tolerating this sick fixation with virginity is unacceptable. 

What? LOL

The backward beliefs exist because of this exam? Basically this is what you are saying. I think you mixed up the cause there.

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Abortions shouldn't be banned because then those foster illegal clinics which are truly dangerous as the people doing them either lost their license or have no medical experience at all. Similarly, the best way to keep people from having to do shady and potentially dangerous meetups for marijuana is to make it legally available and regulated. However, the key point is that it's a voluntary choice with the consent of the person wanting it. These virginity checks are not for the person being checked.

 

With this, there is also no medical benefit or reason. At all. There literally is no justifiable up side to keep this practice going, especially not when it's partially or completely funded by the government.

 

If people are for this, then we should have mandatory STD testing since privacy is out the door. Atleast there would be a medically justifiable reason for doctors to be doing that.

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What? LOL

The backward beliefs exist because of this exam? Basically this is what you are saying. I think you mixed up the cause there.

 

 

When did I say this belief exists because of the exam? No, really. If I have poorly articulated my point, explain where.

 

 

I think ya trollin', son.

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So it's wrong to come between a woman and her doctor when it comes to abortion.... But absolutely not when it comes to an examination based solely on the fact that it hurts their liberal feelings

whatever happened to all that "trust women" crap?

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So it's wrong to come between a woman and her doctor when it comes to abortion.... But absolutely not when it comes to an examination based solely on the fact that it hurts their liberal feelings

whatever happened to all that "trust women" crap?

:s  :s  :s

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A woman doesn't need a test to know if she's a virgin, she already knows. The tests were purely for other peoples benefit.

not that simple nowadays. let's just say there are maiden performance that sadly need to be youtubed or facebooked before the performers themselves realized they are in it.

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Virginity shouldn't really matter -- you either love her, or you don't.

it matters the most to the sickest and most disgusting religion on earth, and even most other religions around the planet too

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Who would even want a virginity test? I know Muslims and Indians do them, even surgeries for recovering the hymen, but hey I thought Canadians are more open minded and youngsters nowadays don't really care if she has slept with a few other guys.

Canada is compromised of all types of ethnic types, biggest melting pot in the world, it has its fair share of Muslim problems currently (to no ones surprise i might add)

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All I can say to some of the comments in this thread, is, ######?

 

 

It is a breach of patient-doctor confidentiality.  That ALONE is a reason to ban it, period.  So what if it continues as an uncertified procedure by some hack.  That is no reason to continue it as a mainstream practice.  I mean, we don't allow doctors to steal organs, but it still happens by uncertified "dcotors".  That doesn't mean we should just go ahead and let doctors do it everywhere.

 

If you can't trust your bride to be to tell the truth, don't be an idiot and get married to her.

 

Problem solved.

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All I can say to some of the comments in this thread, is, ######?

 

 

It is a breach of patient-doctor confidentiality.  That ALONE is a reason to ban it, period.  So what if it continues as an uncertified procedure by some hack.  That is no reason to continue it as a mainstream practice.  I mean, we don't allow doctors to steal organs, but it still happens by uncertified "dcotors".  That doesn't mean we should just go ahead and let doctors do it everywhere.

 

If you can't trust your bride to be to tell the truth, don't be an idiot and get married to her.

 

Problem solved.

 

 

good. lets apply that logic to abortion now.

 

abortion is a breach of the doctor's hypocratic oath to do no harm. That ALONE is a reason to ban it, period.  So what if it continues as an uncertified procedure by some hack.  That is no reason to continue it as a mainstream practice.  I mean, we don't allow doctors to steal organs, but it still happens by uncertified "d[oc]tors".  That doesn't mean we should just go ahead and let doctors do it everywhere.

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good. lets apply that logic to abortion now.

 

abortion is a breach of the doctor's hypocratic oath to do no harm. That ALONE is a reason to ban it, period.  So what if it continues as an uncertified procedure by some hack.  That is no reason to continue it as a mainstream practice.  I mean, we don't allow doctors to steal organs, but it still happens by uncertified "d[oc]tors".  That doesn't mean we should just go ahead and let doctors do it everywhere.

My logic of doctor-patient confidentiality is completely irrelevant to your topic.

 

Completely. Utterly. Unrelated.

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is this in response to Quebec's muslim problem

You've been to Brampton right?...

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